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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/in_a_league_of_its_own.phpIn A League Of Its Own
David Kurtz
July 15, 2012, 9:46 AM
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But dont take my word for it. Heres what a couple of directors I was talking to had to say about it:-snip-
This Firms commercial seems to me to be in an altogether different league. I was struck immediately. And yes, I was impressed with the matching of the voice to the visual, but also just the visuals.
Opening shot of Obama with columns that suggest the White House? Brilliant. The Swiss flag flying when he sings the words, America, America and you hear it flapping in the breeze? Wow. The visual of the office for the India graphic? It immediately conjures up Indian call centers. Even bringing in the text to focus on the Bermuda visual is subtle. And very smart.
Whoever put this ad together is playing Star Trek chess. And winning.
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loudsue
(14,087 posts)I've seen a lot of talk about it on DU, but haven't seen the commercial. I'd love to see it.
Gives me chills!
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Yes. Extremely well done.
I wonder how the other side perceives it as they are the voters who must be persuaded.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I can tell you that right now, "Goddamn Liberal Hollywood!!!"
nxylas
(6,440 posts)"The other side" are going to vote for Rmoney no matter what. Apart from the Freepers, who will stay at home because RimJob told them to. But Free Republic is not the force it pretends to be, and other conservative sites are, predictably, either supporting Romney or not mentioning him and hammering Obama (if you can't persuade people to vote for Romney, persuade them to vote against Obama).
Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)Just as John Kerry vs. Bush was mostly Bush vs. Not Bush. And that won't get you over the top.
Only two things will put Romney in the White House: His money advantage thanks to unlimited anonymous donations, or voter ID laws.
highplainsdem
(48,921 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)of a good political ad, along with that ad of the little girl picking flowers before the bomb goes off.
Maraya1969
(22,464 posts)For some reason the mood of it reminds me of the last scene in Citizen Cane.
Number23
(24,544 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I have always liked Obama even if I felt low many times but I love this version, the fighter. Well done.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Tennessee Gal
(6,160 posts)mucifer
(23,488 posts)in the video section of DU:
loudsue
(14,087 posts)Government isn't the problem: republicans running the government is the problem.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)That is really good. Short, sweet, and straightforward.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)I'm on.
Here's another: [h1]AN EAGLE CANNOT FLY WITH TWO RIGHT WINGS.[/h1]
aquart
(69,014 posts)Be careful not to give them ammunition from your own gun.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)as is obvious by the fact that, since the 1970's and the Powell Manifesto, all the way through the PNAC documents, the stated and intended goal of the republican party was to infiltrate the democratic party, to have corporations take over everything, to create a one-party government, to take over schools and colleges.
The republicans are the greatest threat to freedom and world peace that has ever existed, and they have become a serious danger to the country and the world.
We can't all go through too many more wall-street melt-downs and buyouts, or any more bush family mafia games.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Frankly, we've seen everything the right has to offer... and it amounts to death, misery, and destruction for America, its people, and even people in other nations.
It's time to stop wringing our hands about how "fair" we look. Fuck fair. I don't want to play fair with these fucks anymore. I don't want to try to find common ground, because all that does is make my position worse. I don't want bipartisanship, I want the Republicans filed next to the Whigs, the Know-Nothings, and the Anti-Masonic party as "failed and extinct."
Basically, we need to veer in the absolute opposite direction these assholes have been taking us for thirty years. And we're just not going to manage that if we keep tugging our forelocks and bowing to them. There is no middle ground, and there never really ways. Oneside is the party of popular government working for the needs of the people that make it, the other side is "JESUS RODE A DINOSAUR AND HATED GAY MEXICANS!!!!!"
So... Yeah. I'm ambivalent about a "single party" situation, but I'd be perfectly happy if it were leftism across the board.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)DemocracyInaction
(2,506 posts)dear god....that IS the message we have all fumbled around to express all these years! You nailed it.....brilliant
loudsue
(14,087 posts)mzmolly
(50,980 posts)run it?
madmom
(9,681 posts)do they so desperately want to be a part of it? or
If the game is so bad, why do they want so badly to play it?
mzmolly
(50,980 posts)Democrats hammer this home? If they hate Government they don't want it to be effective. They want it not to work well.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)concise & witty.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Second, that's a great bumper sticker or t-shirt slogan.
Thanks!
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)That IS viral.
unc70
(6,109 posts)There are a couple of copies of the ad posted on YouTube. They combine for well over a million hits in 24 hours.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)mucifer
(23,488 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)your characterization is rather prejudiced.
If you look honestly at this little bit of film you will notice that there REALLY isn't very much to it technically. It's significance and power comes from highly acute, very "granular", conceptualization, a trait of any talented brain, whether they worked for liberals in Hollywood or not.
mucifer
(23,488 posts)That was your interpretation of my post.
I am a liberal myself.
You shouldn't fear the word liberal but embrace it!
patrice
(47,992 posts)BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)is about to get fed deeply with the red meat of hard ball politics.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I wrote this elsewhere, but I think it bears repeating:
People don't tune into American Idol to watch the future superstars.
They tune in to watch the no-talent wanna-be's make idjits of themselves.
Think about it. The rw nutcases will first think its an American Idol ad. Then they see who it is. And realize they're laughing at their hold-their-nose pick. Torn between laughing at the Idol wanna-be and saluting their anointed one, they'll be deer in the headlights, trapped and staring at the screen with the short, large print , easy to read and digest messages. Enough of that ad, and come November they'll be hiding underground in mom's basement.
BeyondGeography
(39,351 posts)As if he was singing in one of Bain's emptied factories, one of the first images you see.
It is brilliant.
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)That decaying factory, a little wind noise. This thing is a masterpiece of political advertising.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)had to be pulled after one airing, IIRC, because of the outcry from Goldwater's campaign).
At least as devastating to Romney as the Willie Horton spot was to to Dukakis back in 1988. Needs to be run continuously in every red state that is still in play from here through November.
BeyondGeography
(39,351 posts)NJCher
(35,628 posts)Symbolic of the fact that he just doesn't get it.
Cher
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Go ahead and flay me. I am being honest.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)While there are Democrats who are not blameless in helping create this economic situation...I believe this ad is very truthful in discussing how one company and one individual can impact the economy detrimentally and reap the benefits of their actions. The ad also illustrates the lies that Romney continues to spout regarding his record.
I think the ad is brilliantly done and will be very effective.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)nailed it.
Sid
Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)As a supporter of the president's reelection, I was thoroughly "impressed". I hope the producers of this ad have been retained for the duration. It doesn't get much better than this.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)you've typed "faux progressive".
Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Unemployment is like a force of nature? Bizarre worldview!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)But then I've come to expect nothing less. Not sure what this particular ad has to do with what the hell you're talking about, but please do ramble on.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)You're just proving yourself a person of letters many times over!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
Tarheel_Dem
(31,223 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Paying substandard wages, outsourcing, (excuse me, I mean offshoring), worshiping at the altar of unregulated capitalism, and sabotaging Obama at every turn in his effort to get the economy back on track.
So yeah, with the economy the way it is, this line of argument IS MOST DEFINITELY APPROPRIATE.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)..and papers that go against it.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)They added a dark filtering to the video and an eerie effect to his voice that rivaled most horror movies I've seen. Incredible job and powerful message.
CANDO
(2,068 posts)Play it so many times that it becomes ingrained in the psyche of our nation.
malaise
(268,734 posts)brilliant
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)It needs a period or semicolon after "solution" in the words at the end. Drives me up the wall every time I see it.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)NJCher
(35,628 posts)Even corporate schill Bob Schieffer was amused.
Cher
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)is so cut and dry and so easy to understand.
ananda
(28,838 posts)I haven't seen any ads except here.
NoMittens
(27 posts)...keep 'em coming!
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)kentuck
(111,061 posts)thus far. It mocks Romney with his own voice.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Boy is he pranked here. Mocked in his own voice, indeed.
If he's seen it, he's probably been spitting nails all weekend.
Change has come
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LibGranny
(711 posts)we all should donate to the Obama Campaign! I'm retired but I donate every month because Obama is the only person I want as President! Remember what he said last campaign about "small donors"? We can make a difference!
nolabear
(41,938 posts)Look at Obama in his presidential walk, looking burdened but strong. Hear Mitt go off key when he sings America. He rushes it, does it like an automaton. The closed factory, Swiss flag, empty rooms, simply letting him sing for himself. All have impressive power in a short ad. And really, after hearing that voice a few times don't you really want that thing (and that man) to go the hell away?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)chilling......................
mnhtnbb
(31,375 posts)klook
(12,152 posts)That comment from one reader that the voice quality is as though Romney's in the front office singing over the P.A. system while the factory rots -- just brilliant.
I love the info about convolution reverb and its psychological effects also. Great stuff; thanks for bringing this behind the scenes info to our attention.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)the out doors shots of the Caymans and Bahamas ..his voice echoed? It was Brilliant.
unc70
(6,109 posts)A friend is an expert in this stuff. Can't wait to talk with her about it.
Spazito
(50,185 posts)it is an amazing ad.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)I really liked the pieces he linked to the professionals talking about how those sound effects were done.
Listened to the ad again and the conference room/speaker phone effect had escaped me the first time.
Whatever team in the campaign did this - I hope they have signed on for the long haul. Looking forward to more great pieces like this one!
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)for those who aren't Trekkers.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)There are so many incredible layers to this ad, LOVE IT!
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)It's up there with Willie Horton and Daisy as far as being a brilliant attack ad!
broiles
(1,367 posts)that part of that ad was paid for by my contribution to Obama. I think I'll give some more.
drm604
(16,230 posts)I've watched that ad a number of times but didn't even catch the audio changes. The singing echoes through that empty plant, and in the office scene it sounds like a speaker phone.
It's subtle but probably very effective psychologically.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)even though Rmoney hits none of them.
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)I wonder if the Rommeys will steal the same company who made it.... They can buy them out...sadly.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)It is that good. It should win an award or something. Seriously.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)It completely damns Romney.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)as the "I approve this message" ran. It implied, "hell, yes, I do approve of this," as opposed to some commercials which have voiceovers at the end which are the audio equivalent of mice print.
MADem
(135,425 posts)soccer1
(343 posts)It's as if Romney's singing is disconnected from the visuals....like a specter haunting the scenery. Really good.....
Carla in Sequim
(228 posts)and I approve this message!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)along with the child-bomb ad that gets replayed as an example of an effective ad decades ago.
Well done, whoever conceptualized and put together that ad. A picture is worth a thousand words. And the haunting echoing sound of Romney's off key voice while pics of empty work places are shown.....makes the point very well.
bayareamike
(602 posts)at 0:22 into the ad, it lists one of the sources as "Vanity, August 2012".
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)in the version I just stopped & paused.
Romney's screeching voice can distract.
bayareamike
(602 posts)the "August, 2012". Why is it citing next month??? Has that edition been released already?
Son of Gob
(1,502 posts)There are two reasons for this discrepancy: first, to allow magazines to continue appearing "current" to consumers even after they have been on sale for some time (since not all magazines will be sold immediately), and second, to inform newsstands when an unsold magazine can be removed from the stands and returned to the publisher or be destroyed (in this case, the cover date is also the pull date).
Weeklies (such as Time and Newsweek) are generally dated a week ahead. Monthlies (such as National Geographic Magazine) are generally dated a month ahead, and quarterlies are generally dated three months ahead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_date
bayareamike
(602 posts)IndyPragmatist123
(42 posts)I don't think the message works. People have known about Bain Capital and Romney's off-shore bank accounts, yet the polls are still close. If people cared about this stuff, we would have seen movement in the polls, yet it's still neck-and-neck.
I know its tough for Obama to talk about the economy because the Republicans have obstructed everything the Democrats have tried to do, but that's the issue here. Everyone knows Romney is a sleazy guy, but so was Clinton, and he was a great President. Bush was seemingly a nice guy, but a terrible President. There are going to a lot of people that like President Obama as a person, but will still vote for Romney.
I don't know, this just seems like a weak message. Extremely clever, but not exactly the best political ad.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)And by saturation I mean when Jay Leno and David Letterman start cracking wise on the subject.
When it reaches the level where those jokes are understood by that varied of an audience, it means they understand the content and context of the information; whether they agree with it or not.
If that doesn't happen, then you may be right. It might be too esoteric. But if it does, that's when you should look for the polls to start shifting.
As far as the strength of the message, I don't agree. NC (where I live) is a battleground state and the earlier Bain/Outsourcing Ads running here are shifting the polls. Only slightly so far, but there is movement.
Welcome to DU
IndyPragmatist123
(42 posts)I rarely watch his show, unless there is a guest I would like to see. However, I watched the monologue about a week ago and Leno tried to make a joke about Fast & Furious. It really wasn't a political joke at all, it was just a joke about guns, and to get the joke, all you needed to know was that Fast & Furious was about guns. I don't remember the joke itself, but I do remember that it was worth a chuckle.
The crowd was completely silent. It seemed that nobody in attendance had a clue what Fast & Furious was. Leno made a comment about "This is what happens when we try and increase the level of our jokes." and moved on. It was pathetic. Regardless of your opinion of Fast & Furious, you should at least have an idea of what it is. It really saddened me that nobody had a clue.
So, I guess I'm saying, you may be right, the late-night show watchers seem to have very little political awareness and it may take their jokes for some people to understand what is going on.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)are talking about, were they taken after this ad ran? If not, then how long a time period do you think we should wait before assessing whether or not an ad is effective? You come across as if the ad ran 10 seconds ago, ergo the polls taken a week ago show that the ad is not effective.
And, I don't consider Clinton a great president, his lack of a veto for DADT, DOMA, and NAFTA just because he thought they would pass anyway over a veto, shows lack of spine. Although, I guess his dick got hard enough.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think the "weak message" is coming from you, frankly. Nice try, if blatantly obvious--but no Monopoly Man Big Money cigar for you, though!
soccer1
(343 posts)with you on a few points you've made. Certainly many people are not/were not aware of the nature of Romney's work at Bain or of his off-shore accounts. People do care about HOW people make their money and if a person running for POTUS evades paying taxes, legally or otherwise. Comparing Clinton's "sleaziness" ( sexual and personal) to Romney's "sleaziness" (financial) carries no weight. as a basis for comparison.
We all know the economy is the big issue....and certainly, Romney claiming to be the "go to guy" to "fix" the economy and job market is directly related to any Dem ads that show how Romney handles his money and how he made his money. Romney's record is his worst enemy, in many ways and the Dems do not have to stretch the truth or exaggerate how he made his living at Bain and what he has done to protect his wealth.
Of course many people who like Obama will vote for Romney. And many people who like Romney as a person will vote for Obama because they believe Romney is not the better choice to get our economy on track.
In the end, the economic recovery plans that Romney and Obama offer this nation will bear the most weight in deciding who will be elected. However, Romney has consistently changed his stance on many positions throughout his political career. Any political ads or Dems who point this out, are right to do so.
highplainsdem
(48,921 posts)Another top director emails in about the new Obama ad Firms and points to another recent Obama ad that jumped out to him as having higher-than-usual production values. He wonders if Team Obama has recruited some ringers from Hollywood to up the game on the quality of ads to compensate for being outspent by Team Romney on quantity:Building on what was said by other directors in your posts about the Romney singing ads production values, Id point you to the previous Hes the problem ad to show that a trend is developing here:
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In the body of this spot, its all the standard cliched elements stock shots of empty factories and offices, a newspaper front page, some boring SEC documents, and a photo of Romney. But, Obamas guys have the skill through their use of color, depth, and motion to take those stale elements and make them something fresh. To me, it actually looks more like the title sequence of a network TV crime show than your standard flat, boring political ad. On a low budget with probably a day to put everything together, this level of detail and sophistication takes serious talent.
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If so, it would be a very smart reaction by the campaign to the realization that theyll be massively outspent. If you cant buy as much ad time as your opponents, you have to make each ad you do run that much better. Even if it means paying twice as much for an A-list editors hourly rate, thats peanuts compared to the millions youre spending on each media buy.
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That TPM article also says they have a reporter working on finding out who deserves credit for the "Firms" ad, and they hope to have that information later today.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Of course, no matter who the team is, the (R)s will be shreiking about Hollywood being in the tank for Obama, but point well made about quantity v quality in light of the money issue.
Edit - just saw this update at the link:
Late Update: The Obama camp tells us that, no, no ringers were involved in the production of these ads. Same crew the camp has used all along.
Sounds like a few folks just carved out a post-election career for themselves.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)or until Mitt quits.
malaise
(268,734 posts)highplainsdem
(48,921 posts)Last weeks political fisticuffs over Mitt Romneys tenure at Bain Capital came to a head on Saturday with the Obama campaigns release of a devastating new ad.
The ad, titled Firms, mockingly plays Romneys rendition of America the Beautiful from the campaign trail over scathing headlines and empty factory floors. Waves gently crash ashore as the ad points out that Romney stashed some of his considerable wealth in the Cayman Islands.
The high production value of the new Obama spot led some to wonder: Did the campaign outsource the ad to slick Hollywood ringers? In fact, John Del Cecato at David Axelrods firm, AKPD Message and Media, produced the ad. The Obama campaign told TPM on Monday that it used the same ad team it has all along.
A team of five or six people worked on the ad. The team is sometimes tasked with producing an ad in an hour. This one took a few days. An Obama adviser admitted that the ad relied on considerable sound design to create something that looked and sounded different from other political ads on the air. We set out to make something that would cut through the clutter, he said.
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