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highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:26 AM Jul 2012

TPM: New Obama ad is "in a league of its own" according to film directors

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/in_a_league_of_its_own.php

In A League Of Its Own
David Kurtz
July 15, 2012, 9:46 AM


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But don’t take my word for it. Here’s what a couple of directors I was talking to had to say about it:

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This “Firms” commercial seems to me to be in an altogether different league. I was struck immediately. And yes, I was impressed with the matching of the voice to the visual, but also just the visuals.

Opening shot of Obama with columns that suggest the White House? Brilliant. The Swiss flag flying when he sings the words, “America, America” and you hear it flapping in the breeze? Wow. The visual of the office for the India graphic? It immediately conjures up Indian call centers. Even bringing in the text to focus on the Bermuda visual is subtle. And very smart.

Whoever put this ad together is playing Star Trek chess. And winning.


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TPM: New Obama ad is "in a league of its own" according to film directors (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2012 OP
Can I get a link to the "Firms" commercial? loudsue Jul 2012 #1
Here: ProSense Jul 2012 #3
32 second soundbite bites Mitt in the ass Generic Other Jul 2012 #50
"I wonder how the other side perceives it" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #80
Undecided voters are the ones who "must be persuaded" nxylas Jul 2012 #84
This is definitely going to be an Obama vs. Not Obama election Ian_rd Jul 2012 #95
Gives me chills, too. Best political ad I've seen in many years. highplainsdem Jul 2012 #59
I said that the first time I saw it. Looks like an ad we'll see replayed in the future as an example Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #76
Romney's voice takes on a creepier tone as each frame goes by. Maraya1969 Jul 2012 #109
Amazing ad. Simple and concise. It's extraordinarily well done. Number23 Jul 2012 #77
whoa. sounds like he's singing as the last man on earth, a sort of echo. roguevalley Jul 2012 #78
that is good. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #102
Try this: Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #5
Here it is. You know you can go to youtube and google it or look mucifer Jul 2012 #7
Thanks! I wish the dems would start turning the entire reagan message into: loudsue Jul 2012 #18
Damn! Cracklin Charlie Jul 2012 #22
We should make some bumper stickers & signs? loudsue Jul 2012 #28
Or two left wings. aquart Jul 2012 #32
That isn't the goal of the democrats, but it is certainly the goal of the conservatives... loudsue Jul 2012 #39
Well, it's MY goal Scootaloo Jul 2012 #86
Good post! And I totally agree. loudsue Jul 2012 #93
loudsue DemocracyInaction Jul 2012 #24
Thanks! Send it to the DNCC! Send it to team Obama! Use it locally! And here's another: loudsue Jul 2012 #30
Indeed. Why would we let people who hate government, mzmolly Jul 2012 #65
I've been saying this for years... if they hate government so much, why madmom Jul 2012 #94
Exactly. And why don't mzmolly Jul 2012 #99
Brilliant, lovemydog Jul 2012 #82
First, you should call the DNCand Obama campaigns and suggest this to them. It's brilliant! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #103
It may go viral on youtube. In one day it has over 500K views. Kahuna Jul 2012 #13
500,000 in one day? Oilwellian Jul 2012 #16
Several copies on YouTube - 1 million plus unc70 Jul 2012 #41
WOW! Repukes aren't gonna like that Kahuna Jul 2012 #47
Seems like the Hollywood Liberal connections are paying off. mucifer Jul 2012 #2
As a family member of hard working independent film professionals, I must tell you that patrice Jul 2012 #40
I didn't say it is a bad thing to have Hollywood support. mucifer Jul 2012 #43
Sorry!! I've been living in red-state Hell toooooo long. nt patrice Jul 2012 #46
Seems as though President Obama's base BlueToTheBone Jul 2012 #4
I think it's more than red meat for libruls, lol magical thyme Jul 2012 #37
They hollowed out the sound of his already hollow voice as well BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #6
A little echo chamber, the flapping Swiss flag, the lapping waters of Bermuda and the Caymans. CTyankee Jul 2012 #8
My take also. It reminds me of LBJ's 'Daisy Petal' ad of 1964 (which coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #9
Absolutely...this one merits a long shelf-life nt BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #11
off key NJCher Jul 2012 #25
This ad is an utter curb stomp. Zalatix Jul 2012 #51
With the economy this way, I am personally not impressed by this line of argument. Romulox Jul 2012 #10
And exactly who created the economic crisis of today.... CherokeeDem Jul 2012 #53
You're not impressed? I'm shocked! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #60
Heheh... SidDithers Jul 2012 #61
Sid, were you "impressed"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #63
A "centrist" is pleased with the status quo? Stop the presses! nt Romulox Jul 2012 #98
A "faux progressive" is outraged? Stop the presses again! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #106
You don't need the quotation marks if you say "faux". It's similar to a double negative, the way Romulox Jul 2012 #112
And a "faux instructor" as well. You're just the smartest thing since sliced bread, you are! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #115
I know. Smilies are *so* much easier. You keep at it, though. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #116
I bow to your superior, albeit a bit precious, knowledge. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #120
There's *another* lesson for you, below! Thank me later! nt Romulox Jul 2012 #121
Unemployment rate: 8.2%. That's really bad. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #97
So is 115 degree heat in Delaware. Can't change that either. What's your point? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #105
LOL. The only thing our politicians can do is bail out BANKERS, apparently. Unemployment? Romulox Jul 2012 #111
What's even more "bizarre" is your inability to acknowledge the obstruction at every turn. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #114
Then it doesn't matter who is President. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #117
Truth be told, I don't think it ever really mattered to you. Which begs the question..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #118
That's not how "begs the question" is used, actually (I know, I know, it isn't cool to "know stuff") Romulox Jul 2012 #119
LOL! Good luck connecting with us "common folk". I'm learning so much from you! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #122
It's people like Romney that created the economic mess Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #68
Your candor is noted. n/t gkhouston Jul 2012 #69
The latest add is the best one, rep or dem, that I've seen in years...shows rMoneys own words... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #12
Damn. That gave me chills. Wait Wut Jul 2012 #14
They have to go national on this ad buy. CANDO Jul 2012 #15
It is absolutely fugging malaise Jul 2012 #17
This ad is a home run except for one thing. Brickbat Jul 2012 #19
This commercial needs a lot of TV play. Excellent job! glinda Jul 2012 #20
It's got 600K hits on youtube. and only posted yesterday Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #52
tv play especially glinda Jul 2012 #81
they showed it on "Meet the Press" NJCher Jul 2012 #21
This ad is so good that even some of the lower income whites will vote for Obama. This ad southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #23
That WAS a great ad! ananda Jul 2012 #26
A Phenomenal Ad! NoMittens Jul 2012 #27
playing Star Trek chess NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #29
This is the most effective ad run in this campaign... kentuck Jul 2012 #31
Romney HATES being pranked. magical thyme Jul 2012 #33
He doesn't look very happy! Change has come Jul 2012 #42
to get this ad (and one like it) to run nationally, LibGranny Jul 2012 #34
Yes, the psychological impact of the images is outstanding! nolabear Jul 2012 #35
Oh SNAP Iliyah Jul 2012 #36
It's a brilliant ad. Makes me get out the checkbook so it can run in every swing state. mnhtnbb Jul 2012 #38
Fascinating, especially the audio info in the links on TPM klook Jul 2012 #44
Did you all notice when Mitt was singing DearAbby Jul 2012 #45
They made him sound far, far way in those shots unc70 Jul 2012 #71
And you can hear the sound of waves on a beach too... Spazito Jul 2012 #72
Fascinating information at that link Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #48
star trek chess - chess in 3-D with three boards layered horizontally? lol Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #49
Astro Chess! lunatica Jul 2012 #54
During the singing, Romney's voice echoes in the EMPTY factories and offices! Brilliant! Firebrand Gary Jul 2012 #55
This ad is BRILLIANT!!! Poli sci professors will be talking about this ad 20 years from now. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #56
I would like to think- broiles Jul 2012 #57
Wow. drm604 Jul 2012 #58
Stellar ad, hits all the right notes HarveyDarkey Jul 2012 #62
This so good. riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #64
The ad gave me chills. liberalmuse Jul 2012 #66
Already has more than 750,000 views Politicub Jul 2012 #67
I liked that they opened with a visual of Obama, gkhouston Jul 2012 #70
He's doing the slowed-down strut, too--like he owns this 'un. nt MADem Jul 2012 #91
Video has an eerie quality to it...... soccer1 Jul 2012 #73
I'm Carla in Sequim Carla in Sequim Jul 2012 #74
Looks like we'll be seeing replays of this one in the future, Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #75
Great ad, one problem with it though: bayareamike Jul 2012 #79
It says Vanity Fair lovemydog Jul 2012 #83
I was referring to bayareamike Jul 2012 #104
Yes, that's how most magazines work. Son of Gob Jul 2012 #108
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. nt bayareamike Jul 2012 #123
From a technical perspective, it's great....but... IndyPragmatist123 Jul 2012 #85
You have to wait for saturation to see if Bain or the offshore $$ is going to make any difference. TalkingDog Jul 2012 #87
Funny you mention Leno IndyPragmatist123 Jul 2012 #89
Those polls that you Bohunk68 Jul 2012 #88
The message works. It's TRUE, that why. The ad is a home run. MADem Jul 2012 #90
I disagree... soccer1 Jul 2012 #96
Another article about the ad from TPM, quoting another director: highplainsdem Jul 2012 #92
Thanks for that update. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #100
The ad needs to run in every State on every station till election day DainBramaged Jul 2012 #101
Ed Shultz will have a discussion on this n/t malaise Jul 2012 #107
From TPM -- the new ad was produced by the same ad team the Obama campaign has been using all along. highplainsdem Jul 2012 #110
Bet you that you never hear Mitt sing that song again. Skidmore Jul 2012 #113

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
1. Can I get a link to the "Firms" commercial?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:30 AM
Jul 2012

I've seen a lot of talk about it on DU, but haven't seen the commercial. I'd love to see it.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
50. 32 second soundbite bites Mitt in the ass
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jul 2012

Yes. Extremely well done.

I wonder how the other side perceives it as they are the voters who must be persuaded.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
80. "I wonder how the other side perceives it"
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 12:15 AM
Jul 2012

I can tell you that right now, "Goddamn Liberal Hollywood!!!"

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
84. Undecided voters are the ones who "must be persuaded"
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 06:37 AM
Jul 2012

"The other side" are going to vote for Rmoney no matter what. Apart from the Freepers, who will stay at home because RimJob told them to. But Free Republic is not the force it pretends to be, and other conservative sites are, predictably, either supporting Romney or not mentioning him and hammering Obama (if you can't persuade people to vote for Romney, persuade them to vote against Obama).

Ian_rd

(2,124 posts)
95. This is definitely going to be an Obama vs. Not Obama election
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jul 2012

Just as John Kerry vs. Bush was mostly Bush vs. Not Bush. And that won't get you over the top.

Only two things will put Romney in the White House: His money advantage thanks to unlimited anonymous donations, or voter ID laws.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
76. I said that the first time I saw it. Looks like an ad we'll see replayed in the future as an example
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jul 2012

of a good political ad, along with that ad of the little girl picking flowers before the bomb goes off.

Maraya1969

(22,464 posts)
109. Romney's voice takes on a creepier tone as each frame goes by.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:23 AM
Jul 2012

For some reason the mood of it reminds me of the last scene in Citizen Cane.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
78. whoa. sounds like he's singing as the last man on earth, a sort of echo.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:04 PM
Jul 2012

I have always liked Obama even if I felt low many times but I love this version, the fighter. Well done.

mucifer

(23,488 posts)
7. Here it is. You know you can go to youtube and google it or look
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jul 2012

in the video section of DU:

&feature=player_embedded

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
18. Thanks! I wish the dems would start turning the entire reagan message into:
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jul 2012

Government isn't the problem: republicans running the government is the problem.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
28. We should make some bumper stickers & signs?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jul 2012

I'm on.

Here's another: [h1]AN EAGLE CANNOT FLY WITH TWO RIGHT WINGS.[/h1]

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
39. That isn't the goal of the democrats, but it is certainly the goal of the conservatives...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jul 2012

as is obvious by the fact that, since the 1970's and the Powell Manifesto, all the way through the PNAC documents, the stated and intended goal of the republican party was to infiltrate the democratic party, to have corporations take over everything, to create a one-party government, to take over schools and colleges.

The republicans are the greatest threat to freedom and world peace that has ever existed, and they have become a serious danger to the country and the world.

We can't all go through too many more wall-street melt-downs and buyouts, or any more bush family mafia games.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
86. Well, it's MY goal
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:50 AM
Jul 2012

Frankly, we've seen everything the right has to offer... and it amounts to death, misery, and destruction for America, its people, and even people in other nations.

It's time to stop wringing our hands about how "fair" we look. Fuck fair. I don't want to play fair with these fucks anymore. I don't want to try to find common ground, because all that does is make my position worse. I don't want bipartisanship, I want the Republicans filed next to the Whigs, the Know-Nothings, and the Anti-Masonic party as "failed and extinct."

Basically, we need to veer in the absolute opposite direction these assholes have been taking us for thirty years. And we're just not going to manage that if we keep tugging our forelocks and bowing to them. There is no middle ground, and there never really ways. Oneside is the party of popular government working for the needs of the people that make it, the other side is "JESUS RODE A DINOSAUR AND HATED GAY MEXICANS!!!!!"

So... Yeah. I'm ambivalent about a "single party" situation, but I'd be perfectly happy if it were leftism across the board.

DemocracyInaction

(2,506 posts)
24. loudsue
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jul 2012

dear god....that IS the message we have all fumbled around to express all these years! You nailed it.....brilliant

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
30. Thanks! Send it to the DNCC! Send it to team Obama! Use it locally! And here's another:
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jul 2012
[h1]AN EAGLE CANNOT FLY WITH TWO RIGHT WINGS![/h1]

madmom

(9,681 posts)
94. I've been saying this for years... if they hate government so much, why
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jul 2012

do they so desperately want to be a part of it? or

If the game is so bad, why do they want so badly to play it?

mzmolly

(50,980 posts)
99. Exactly. And why don't
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jul 2012

Democrats hammer this home? If they hate Government they don't want it to be effective. They want it not to work well.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
103. First, you should call the DNCand Obama campaigns and suggest this to them. It's brilliant!
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jul 2012

Second, that's a great bumper sticker or t-shirt slogan.

Thanks!

unc70

(6,109 posts)
41. Several copies on YouTube - 1 million plus
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jul 2012

There are a couple of copies of the ad posted on YouTube. They combine for well over a million hits in 24 hours.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
40. As a family member of hard working independent film professionals, I must tell you that
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jul 2012

your characterization is rather prejudiced.

If you look honestly at this little bit of film you will notice that there REALLY isn't very much to it technically. It's significance and power comes from highly acute, very "granular", conceptualization, a trait of any talented brain, whether they worked for liberals in Hollywood or not.

mucifer

(23,488 posts)
43. I didn't say it is a bad thing to have Hollywood support.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:35 PM
Jul 2012

That was your interpretation of my post.

I am a liberal myself.

You shouldn't fear the word liberal but embrace it!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
37. I think it's more than red meat for libruls, lol
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jul 2012

I wrote this elsewhere, but I think it bears repeating:

People don't tune into American Idol to watch the future superstars.

They tune in to watch the no-talent wanna-be's make idjits of themselves.

Think about it. The rw nutcases will first think its an American Idol ad. Then they see who it is. And realize they're laughing at their hold-their-nose pick. Torn between laughing at the Idol wanna-be and saluting their anointed one, they'll be deer in the headlights, trapped and staring at the screen with the short, large print , easy to read and digest messages. Enough of that ad, and come November they'll be hiding underground in mom's basement.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
6. They hollowed out the sound of his already hollow voice as well
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:33 AM
Jul 2012

As if he was singing in one of Bain's emptied factories, one of the first images you see.

It is brilliant.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
8. A little echo chamber, the flapping Swiss flag, the lapping waters of Bermuda and the Caymans.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jul 2012

That decaying factory, a little wind noise. This thing is a masterpiece of political advertising.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
9. My take also. It reminds me of LBJ's 'Daisy Petal' ad of 1964 (which
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jul 2012

had to be pulled after one airing, IIRC, because of the outcry from Goldwater's campaign).

At least as devastating to Romney as the Willie Horton spot was to to Dukakis back in 1988. Needs to be run continuously in every red state that is still in play from here through November.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
10. With the economy this way, I am personally not impressed by this line of argument.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jul 2012

Go ahead and flay me. I am being honest.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
53. And exactly who created the economic crisis of today....
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:30 PM
Jul 2012

While there are Democrats who are not blameless in helping create this economic situation...I believe this ad is very truthful in discussing how one company and one individual can impact the economy detrimentally and reap the benefits of their actions. The ad also illustrates the lies that Romney continues to spout regarding his record.

I think the ad is brilliantly done and will be very effective.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,223 posts)
63. Sid, were you "impressed"?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jul 2012

As a supporter of the president's reelection, I was thoroughly "impressed". I hope the producers of this ad have been retained for the duration. It doesn't get much better than this.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
112. You don't need the quotation marks if you say "faux". It's similar to a double negative, the way
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 11:08 AM
Jul 2012

you've typed "faux progressive".

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
111. LOL. The only thing our politicians can do is bail out BANKERS, apparently. Unemployment?
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 11:07 AM
Jul 2012

Unemployment is like a force of nature? Bizarre worldview!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,223 posts)
114. What's even more "bizarre" is your inability to acknowledge the obstruction at every turn.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jul 2012

But then I've come to expect nothing less. Not sure what this particular ad has to do with what the hell you're talking about, but please do ramble on.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
119. That's not how "begs the question" is used, actually (I know, I know, it isn't cool to "know stuff")
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jul 2012

You're just proving yourself a person of letters many times over!

Begging the question (Latin petitio principii, "assuming the initial point&quot is a type of logical fallacy in which a proposition relies on an implicit premise within itself to establish the truth of that same proposition. In other words, it is a statement that refers to its own assertion to prove the assertion. Such arguments are essentially of the form "a is true because a is true" though rarely is such an argument stated as such. Often the premise 'a' is only one of many premises that go into proving that 'a' is true as a conclusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
68. It's people like Romney that created the economic mess
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jul 2012

Paying substandard wages, outsourcing, (excuse me, I mean offshoring), worshiping at the altar of unregulated capitalism, and sabotaging Obama at every turn in his effort to get the economy back on track.

So yeah, with the economy the way it is, this line of argument IS MOST DEFINITELY APPROPRIATE.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
12. The latest add is the best one, rep or dem, that I've seen in years...shows rMoneys own words...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jul 2012

..and papers that go against it.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
14. Damn. That gave me chills.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jul 2012

They added a dark filtering to the video and an eerie effect to his voice that rivaled most horror movies I've seen. Incredible job and powerful message.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
15. They have to go national on this ad buy.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:50 AM
Jul 2012

Play it so many times that it becomes ingrained in the psyche of our nation.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
19. This ad is a home run except for one thing.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:54 AM
Jul 2012

It needs a period or semicolon after "solution" in the words at the end. Drives me up the wall every time I see it.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
23. This ad is so good that even some of the lower income whites will vote for Obama. This ad
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jul 2012

is so cut and dry and so easy to understand.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
33. Romney HATES being pranked.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

Boy is he pranked here. Mocked in his own voice, indeed.

If he's seen it, he's probably been spitting nails all weekend.

LibGranny

(711 posts)
34. to get this ad (and one like it) to run nationally,
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012

we all should donate to the Obama Campaign! I'm retired but I donate every month because Obama is the only person I want as President! Remember what he said last campaign about "small donors"? We can make a difference!

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
35. Yes, the psychological impact of the images is outstanding!
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jul 2012

Look at Obama in his presidential walk, looking burdened but strong. Hear Mitt go off key when he sings America. He rushes it, does it like an automaton. The closed factory, Swiss flag, empty rooms, simply letting him sing for himself. All have impressive power in a short ad. And really, after hearing that voice a few times don't you really want that thing (and that man) to go the hell away?

klook

(12,152 posts)
44. Fascinating, especially the audio info in the links on TPM
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jul 2012

That comment from one reader that the voice quality is as though Romney's in the front office singing over the P.A. system while the factory rots -- just brilliant.

I love the info about convolution reverb and its psychological effects also. Great stuff; thanks for bringing this behind the scenes info to our attention.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
45. Did you all notice when Mitt was singing
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jul 2012

the out doors shots of the Caymans and Bahamas ..his voice echoed? It was Brilliant.

unc70

(6,109 posts)
71. They made him sound far, far way in those shots
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jul 2012

A friend is an expert in this stuff. Can't wait to talk with her about it.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
48. Fascinating information at that link
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jul 2012

I really liked the pieces he linked to the professionals talking about how those sound effects were done.

Listened to the ad again and the conference room/speaker phone effect had escaped me the first time.

Whatever team in the campaign did this - I hope they have signed on for the long haul. Looking forward to more great pieces like this one!

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
49. star trek chess - chess in 3-D with three boards layered horizontally? lol
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jul 2012

for those who aren't Trekkers.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
55. During the singing, Romney's voice echoes in the EMPTY factories and offices! Brilliant!
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 03:00 PM
Jul 2012

There are so many incredible layers to this ad, LOVE IT!

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
56. This ad is BRILLIANT!!! Poli sci professors will be talking about this ad 20 years from now.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jul 2012

It's up there with Willie Horton and Daisy as far as being a brilliant attack ad!

broiles

(1,367 posts)
57. I would like to think-
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jul 2012

that part of that ad was paid for by my contribution to Obama. I think I'll give some more.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
58. Wow.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jul 2012

I've watched that ad a number of times but didn't even catch the audio changes. The singing echoes through that empty plant, and in the office scene it sounds like a speaker phone.

It's subtle but probably very effective psychologically.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
64. This so good.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jul 2012

I wonder if the Rommeys will steal the same company who made it.... They can buy them out...sadly.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
70. I liked that they opened with a visual of Obama,
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jul 2012

as the "I approve this message" ran. It implied, "hell, yes, I do approve of this," as opposed to some commercials which have voiceovers at the end which are the audio equivalent of mice print.

soccer1

(343 posts)
73. Video has an eerie quality to it......
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jul 2012

It's as if Romney's singing is disconnected from the visuals....like a specter haunting the scenery. Really good.....

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
75. Looks like we'll be seeing replays of this one in the future,
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jul 2012

along with the child-bomb ad that gets replayed as an example of an effective ad decades ago.

Well done, whoever conceptualized and put together that ad. A picture is worth a thousand words. And the haunting echoing sound of Romney's off key voice while pics of empty work places are shown.....makes the point very well.

bayareamike

(602 posts)
79. Great ad, one problem with it though:
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:20 PM
Jul 2012

at 0:22 into the ad, it lists one of the sources as "Vanity, August 2012".

bayareamike

(602 posts)
104. I was referring to
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jul 2012

the "August, 2012". Why is it citing next month??? Has that edition been released already?

Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
108. Yes, that's how most magazines work.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 09:47 PM
Jul 2012
In the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, the standard practice is to display on magazine covers a date which is some weeks or months in the future from the actual publishing/release date.

There are two reasons for this discrepancy: first, to allow magazines to continue appearing "current" to consumers even after they have been on sale for some time (since not all magazines will be sold immediately), and second, to inform newsstands when an unsold magazine can be removed from the stands and returned to the publisher or be destroyed (in this case, the cover date is also the pull date).

Weeklies (such as Time and Newsweek) are generally dated a week ahead. Monthlies (such as National Geographic Magazine) are generally dated a month ahead, and quarterlies are generally dated three months ahead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_date
85. From a technical perspective, it's great....but...
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:48 AM
Jul 2012

I don't think the message works. People have known about Bain Capital and Romney's off-shore bank accounts, yet the polls are still close. If people cared about this stuff, we would have seen movement in the polls, yet it's still neck-and-neck.

I know its tough for Obama to talk about the economy because the Republicans have obstructed everything the Democrats have tried to do, but that's the issue here. Everyone knows Romney is a sleazy guy, but so was Clinton, and he was a great President. Bush was seemingly a nice guy, but a terrible President. There are going to a lot of people that like President Obama as a person, but will still vote for Romney.

I don't know, this just seems like a weak message. Extremely clever, but not exactly the best political ad.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
87. You have to wait for saturation to see if Bain or the offshore $$ is going to make any difference.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:02 AM
Jul 2012

And by saturation I mean when Jay Leno and David Letterman start cracking wise on the subject.

When it reaches the level where those jokes are understood by that varied of an audience, it means they understand the content and context of the information; whether they agree with it or not.

If that doesn't happen, then you may be right. It might be too esoteric. But if it does, that's when you should look for the polls to start shifting.



As far as the strength of the message, I don't agree. NC (where I live) is a battleground state and the earlier Bain/Outsourcing Ads running here are shifting the polls. Only slightly so far, but there is movement.

Welcome to DU

89. Funny you mention Leno
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 09:16 AM
Jul 2012

I rarely watch his show, unless there is a guest I would like to see. However, I watched the monologue about a week ago and Leno tried to make a joke about Fast & Furious. It really wasn't a political joke at all, it was just a joke about guns, and to get the joke, all you needed to know was that Fast & Furious was about guns. I don't remember the joke itself, but I do remember that it was worth a chuckle.

The crowd was completely silent. It seemed that nobody in attendance had a clue what Fast & Furious was. Leno made a comment about "This is what happens when we try and increase the level of our jokes." and moved on. It was pathetic. Regardless of your opinion of Fast & Furious, you should at least have an idea of what it is. It really saddened me that nobody had a clue.

So, I guess I'm saying, you may be right, the late-night show watchers seem to have very little political awareness and it may take their jokes for some people to understand what is going on.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
88. Those polls that you
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jul 2012

are talking about, were they taken after this ad ran? If not, then how long a time period do you think we should wait before assessing whether or not an ad is effective? You come across as if the ad ran 10 seconds ago, ergo the polls taken a week ago show that the ad is not effective.

And, I don't consider Clinton a great president, his lack of a veto for DADT, DOMA, and NAFTA just because he thought they would pass anyway over a veto, shows lack of spine. Although, I guess his dick got hard enough.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
90. The message works. It's TRUE, that why. The ad is a home run.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 10:32 AM
Jul 2012

I think the "weak message" is coming from you, frankly. Nice try, if blatantly obvious--but no Monopoly Man Big Money cigar for you, though!

soccer1

(343 posts)
96. I disagree...
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jul 2012

with you on a few points you've made. Certainly many people are not/were not aware of the nature of Romney's work at Bain or of his off-shore accounts. People do care about HOW people make their money and if a person running for POTUS evades paying taxes, legally or otherwise. Comparing Clinton's "sleaziness" ( sexual and personal) to Romney's "sleaziness" (financial) carries no weight. as a basis for comparison.

We all know the economy is the big issue....and certainly, Romney claiming to be the "go to guy" to "fix" the economy and job market is directly related to any Dem ads that show how Romney handles his money and how he made his money. Romney's record is his worst enemy, in many ways and the Dems do not have to stretch the truth or exaggerate how he made his living at Bain and what he has done to protect his wealth.

Of course many people who like Obama will vote for Romney. And many people who like Romney as a person will vote for Obama because they believe Romney is not the better choice to get our economy on track.


In the end, the economic recovery plans that Romney and Obama offer this nation will bear the most weight in deciding who will be elected. However, Romney has consistently changed his stance on many positions throughout his political career. Any political ads or Dems who point this out, are right to do so.

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
92. Another article about the ad from TPM, quoting another director:
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jul 2012
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/ringers.php

Another top director emails in about the new Obama ad — “Firms” — and points to another recent Obama ad that jumped out to him as having higher-than-usual production values. He wonders if Team Obama has recruited some ringers from Hollywood to up the game on the quality of ads to compensate for being outspent by Team Romney on quantity:


Building on what was said by other directors in your posts about the Romney singing ad’s production values, I’d point you to the previous “He’s the problem” ad to show that a trend is developing here:



-snip-

In the body of this spot, it’s all the standard cliched elements … stock shots of empty factories and offices, a newspaper front page, some boring SEC documents, and a photo of Romney. But, Obama’s guys have the skill through their use of color, depth, and motion to take those stale elements and make them something fresh. To me, it actually looks more like the title sequence of a network TV crime show than your standard flat, boring political ad. On a low budget with probably a day to put everything together, this level of detail and sophistication takes serious talent.

-snip-

If so, it would be a very smart reaction by the campaign to the realization that they’ll be massively outspent. If you can’t buy as much ad time as your opponents, you have to make each ad you do run that much better. Even if it means paying twice as much for an A-list editor’s hourly rate, that’s peanuts compared to the millions you’re spending on each media buy.

-snip-




That TPM article also says they have a reporter working on finding out who deserves credit for the "Firms" ad, and they hope to have that information later today.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
100. Thanks for that update.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jul 2012

Of course, no matter who the team is, the (R)s will be shreiking about Hollywood being in the tank for Obama, but point well made about quantity v quality in light of the money issue.

Edit - just saw this update at the link:

Late Update: The Obama camp tells us that, no, no ringers were involved in the production of these ads. Same crew the camp has used all along.

Sounds like a few folks just carved out a post-election career for themselves.

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
110. From TPM -- the new ad was produced by the same ad team the Obama campaign has been using all along.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:57 AM
Jul 2012
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/obama-ad-firms-production.php

Last week’s political fisticuffs over Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital came to a head on Saturday with the Obama campaign’s release of a devastating new ad.

The ad, titled “Firms,” mockingly plays Romney’s rendition of “America the Beautiful” from the campaign trail over scathing headlines and empty factory floors. Waves gently crash ashore as the ad points out that Romney stashed some of his considerable wealth in the Cayman Islands.

The high production value of the new Obama spot led some to wonder: Did the campaign outsource the ad to slick Hollywood ringers? In fact, John Del Cecato at David Axelrod’s firm, AKPD Message and Media, produced the ad. The Obama campaign told TPM on Monday that it used the same ad team it has all along.

A team of five or six people worked on the ad. The team is sometimes tasked with producing an ad in an hour. This one took a few days. An Obama adviser admitted that the ad relied on considerable sound design to create something that looked and sounded different from other political ads on the air. “We set out to make something that would cut through the clutter,” he said.

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