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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:43 PM Aug 2017

I do not believe the american people realize how much damage is being done.

Trump is destroying our democracy. It is going to get really bad before he is removed. I cannot believe this is happening. He is going to hurt all of us in ways we cannot imagine.

I wish everyone here the best of luck. Do everything you can to protect yourself and your family.

I have been talking to a financial advisor about my retirement money. I want to protect this best as I can. I am giving money to my union to protect my union. It is scary how little control and protection we have of our own lives. FUCK!

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I do not believe the american people realize how much damage is being done. (Original Post) shockey80 Aug 2017 OP
I feel the same way kimbutgar Aug 2017 #1
Will the country ever be able to recover? liberal N proud Aug 2017 #2
Nope. This is the beginning of our once great nation's sharp decline. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #32
hopefully followed by the proverbial bdtrppr6 Aug 2017 #33
you are correct on that onethatcares Aug 2017 #3
I have been saying this for some time now! imanamerican63 Aug 2017 #4
Broadcast media sure won't tell them Warpy Aug 2017 #5
Some are so willfully ignorant they won't know or care ever. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #6
I agree! And . . . here's something to think abut: What's really going on. --- Petrushka Aug 2017 #38
IMO, we're screwed regardless of tRump KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #7
+100 Duppers Aug 2017 #22
+1000 bdtrppr6 Aug 2017 #34
Also helps to... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #37
Me too, a dreamer. Duppers Aug 2017 #39
Most wouldn't notice unless their cable teevee was taken away from them. Then they would be kerry-is-my-prez Aug 2017 #8
My theory is, as the communications companies become monopolies mtngirl47 Aug 2017 #20
Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, Trump,... Jimbo101 Aug 2017 #9
They do know, they just don't care. Initech Aug 2017 #10
that's the Trump-humpers, but they are vastly outnumbered Skittles Aug 2017 #11
At some point, we need to confront the wingers who support him... MrScorpio Aug 2017 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #16
So far most of what has been done is being done by Executive Orders. Mr.Bill Aug 2017 #13
This is a hugh truth to what is happening...... BlueJac Aug 2017 #14
Of course not. Only a small portion of the public is engaged enough to know how fragile democracy is BzaDem Aug 2017 #15
It's awful thegoose Aug 2017 #17
The man is a highly dangerous crackpot, and so much of congress is compliant, complicit or impotent. RKP5637 Aug 2017 #28
most people don't realize it AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #18
REPUBLICANS MUST BE MADE TO OWN EVERYTHING TRUMP DOES! Chasstev365 Aug 2017 #19
The thing that scares the crap out of me- we are about to go into a recession n2doc Aug 2017 #21
My sense is most people are not paying attention. Blue_true Aug 2017 #23
The average American will not realize until that damage touches them personally. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #24
... like how the good Germans did as their country collapsed into a horror show. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #27
Is becoming an expatriate a viable option yet? Fritz Walter Aug 2017 #25
I never believed this could happen in the US through elections and a democratic process, especially RKP5637 Aug 2017 #26
the trumpsters don't care elmac Aug 2017 #29
You got it right. ffr Aug 2017 #30
I agree with the first assertion LibArts Aug 2017 #31
Shockey, it could get much, much worse if.. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #35
even though our country is in danger, I believe our constitution will save us from the fascist Motley13 Aug 2017 #36
The horrifying thing is that his 34% actually believe he's making America great again. progressoid Aug 2017 #40
They're loving the shit show dalton99a Aug 2017 #43
I think it's time to divide the country LittleBlue Aug 2017 #41
A third of them don't care. A third of them don't know. And a third of them are terrified. haveahart Aug 2017 #42

kimbutgar

(21,027 posts)
1. I feel the same way
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 02:45 PM
Aug 2017

I inherited a house that I wanted to covert into a duplex but now might sell and hoard my cash. So much uncertainty and I am 5 years away from social security which might not be there.

 

bdtrppr6

(796 posts)
33. hopefully followed by the proverbial
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:53 PM
Aug 2017

beautiful phoenix rising from the ashes. i'm not seeing hope in that, but we truly have very little else at this point. our country is being run by the biggest assholes imaginable and they do NOT GIVE A FUCK for anyone or anything but themselves. Louise Linton is our Marie Antoinette but even worse. And they all just laugh and laugh at the destruction and terror they are sowing.

everyone hang in there and remember there are many others that know this is not right and are doing what we can to fight in our own little ways. try and keep your mind strong and true to your reality, make it be so. information and teaching peace is the best start.

onethatcares

(16,160 posts)
3. you are correct on that
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:16 PM
Aug 2017

sure they stand around and discuss how stupid he sounds during his speeches but they don't look at the backburner items he does as far as enviromental, labor, and civil rights.

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
5. Broadcast media sure won't tell them
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:29 PM
Aug 2017

and too many people rely on radio and TV to stay informed.

It's not going to dawn on the frogs that the full boil has been reached when they look for the way to get out of the pot and realize this gang of thieves has taken it all away from them.

BigmanPigman

(51,552 posts)
6. Some are so willfully ignorant they won't know or care ever.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:41 PM
Aug 2017

These are the people who do not vote at all or only decide while at work or home on election day. AAARRRGGG!!!

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
7. IMO, we're screwed regardless of tRump
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 03:58 PM
Aug 2017

So long as our country operates on the follow equation:

Assets owned =>
Proportional right to social and financial power =
Proportional right to political access =
Proportional right to justice =
Proportional right to control media content and access.

We're screwed.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
37. Also helps to...
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 06:34 PM
Aug 2017

have control of the capital markets and mergers and acquisitions, elect highly political judges, have you own cable news network and hundreds of politicized radio stations, have hundreds of market/special interest lobbyists, have your own private team of Russian hackers and social media shit-stormers, just to name a few.

However, I do agree that excessive high-wealth money injected into our elections is the biggest factor. I'm all for a simple contribution law: $5 per candidate per voter, period. No corporate money, period. No lobbyists, period. No TV, internet or radio ads, period. Force our politicians (public servants) back to door-to-door during elections with brochures, and force them to do their own homework and research in Congress.

Those measures seem extreme, but they do demonstrate how corrupt our system is.

I am a dreamer!

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
8. Most wouldn't notice unless their cable teevee was taken away from them. Then they would be
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:01 PM
Aug 2017

rioting on the streets.

mtngirl47

(987 posts)
20. My theory is, as the communications companies become monopolies
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:58 PM
Aug 2017

the prices will go up and up. People are addicted to their smart phones and TV--so at first they will sacrifice other luxuries to keep their media. Then they might even buy less food so they can keep their media. But eventually they will not be able to afford it and they will wake up one day and realize that the pretty life they were promised on TV doesn't exist and they will take to the streets to demand their stuff....not so sure if they'll also be demanding their rights.

Jimbo101

(776 posts)
9. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, Trump,...
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:09 PM
Aug 2017

each planted seeds for the next, worse than before.

I didn't think it could get worse than Bush II, but McCain / Palin proved that wrong - and Trump / Pence (speechless) -

- can't imagine anything worse - but I'm sure the GOP / Alt Right will find someone - they always do.

Initech

(100,013 posts)
10. They do know, they just don't care.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:17 PM
Aug 2017

All they care about is that liberals weren't elected, because that's what the radio, church, and Fox News told them to think.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
12. At some point, we need to confront the wingers who support him...
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:21 PM
Aug 2017

And ask them, what is more important to them... Either their hatred of the left, so much so, that they only care about our negative reactions to Trump's statements and actions, or what's ultimately and objectively good for America itself and how Trump is destroying all of that?

If they believe that they're not living in this country (and world) with the rest of us, we need ask them where they really believe they ARE living.

So far, their reactions to the way we respond to Trump shows that they're only interested in schadenfreude. They practice an extreme amount of disassociation from anyone they can't identify with. It's their coping mechanism.

Also they really don't care about how the country is being harmed by Trump, it's only matters to them that the "right" people are being harmed BY Trump and that it upsets the left. They refuse to acknowledge the fact that we're concerned for the harm that Trump causes on ALL sides, not just our own, because they can only reference us through their own tribalist point of view.

Importantly, in order for these people to avoid seeing that the harm Trump causes eventually affects everyone, regardless of their status, his supporters engage in delusional thinking, which stipulates that Trump's harmful actions only affects the Left.

However, the one thing that we all can trust Trump to do is that he'll eventually betray and cheat those who become foolish enough to trust him. It's only a matter of time for that to happen to everyone in this country, as long as he sits in the Oval Office.

When that happens, it's incumbent upon these people to cease and desist with the "fake news" excuses. That what's really happening is that they're getting screwed by Trump as well and that it's happening right in front of their noses.

For the more thick skulled and hateful of his fans, it's going to take long time for these people to realize that they're hey're getting screwed by Trump. The key to this is helping them connect the dots from Trump's actions to their own particular lives. Especially since they can't or won't relate to people unlike themselves.

But let's also consider the fact that one of the hardest things for any honest person to do is to admit is when they're wrong. It's practically inconceivable for some hateful, ignorant hypocrite of a Trump supporting RWNJ to do that, but it's not completely impossible.

We just need to help them see the light.

Mr.Bill

(24,214 posts)
13. So far most of what has been done is being done by Executive Orders.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:33 PM
Aug 2017

That means it can be reversed by Executive Order. Theoretically, a Democratic president can fix the damage on day one of his/her term. But it does get worse every day. Four years of this shit will leave some damage behind. Mueller need to hurry up, but I fear that no matter what he finds, Congress will do nothing to remove Trump from office.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
14. This is a hugh truth to what is happening......
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:40 PM
Aug 2017

and people are so quite about........outrage should be everywhere!

BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
15. Of course not. Only a small portion of the public is engaged enough to know how fragile democracy is
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:41 PM
Aug 2017

Normally, presidents of both parties do not strike at democracy's weakest points. This president is different. That is why large and unprecedented numbers of establishment Republicans did not vote for him, and did not want to see him win.

Many people (including myself) ascribed too much importance to this, and found out on election night how little elite opinion can matter on what are essentially process issues. (They may be process issues that are foundational to having a democracy in the first place, but they are still process issues.)

Most people (even many well educated people) have little idea how fragile democracy is, and have little idea about the scope and degree of the damage Trump is causing. This is true even of many who despise Trump and voted for Hillary.

 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
17. It's awful
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:55 PM
Aug 2017

An ugly, orange and not even good con artist is destroying an entire nation. It's completely insane! Meanwhile, the courts are being stacked with Wingnuts and environmental protection is being rolled back. People don't know that because they're watching the Cheeto's appalling behavior either with disgust or adulation. It's time for the media to stop saying, "Is Trump doing this....or is he doing that?" Equivocation is over.

I live in San Antonio and was enraged last night to see that he was pardoning a racist pig while Hurricane Harvey was approaching landfall. Of course, he'll make a speech to blame the victims and talk about his yuuuuge election victory.

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
28. The man is a highly dangerous crackpot, and so much of congress is compliant, complicit or impotent.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:38 PM
Aug 2017

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
18. most people don't realize it
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 04:57 PM
Aug 2017

In fact, back in february I took two months break from all news and I felt great! like nothing was happening. Apathy is running deep, people are getting tired of staying alert and friends on facebook no longer post anything political. In fact, DU is the only place I talk politics now.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
21. The thing that scares the crap out of me- we are about to go into a recession
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:13 PM
Aug 2017

All the financial indicators are pointing towards it. And when it happens these fuckers are going to do everything they can to punish the 99% while they remain capable of doing so.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. My sense is most people are not paying attention.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:18 PM
Aug 2017

Eight years of competent leadership under President Obama lured lots of people to sleep and caused some to demand the sky or else. No one seem to recognize how close the country came to destruction in 2008. The Obama progress allowed the right to cherry pick hot button issues and ride them to electoral success.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
24. The average American will not realize until that damage touches them personally.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:19 PM
Aug 2017

And so far, it hasn't touched the "average" (i.e. middle class white Christian straight) American personally.
The average American can insulate themselves completely from Trumps shitstorm by simply turning off the TV news. Other than that, the shitstorm doesn't extend for enough to enter their own living rooms. Yet.
(First they came for the Muslims, and I'm not Muslim. Then they came for the gays, and I'm not gay.....)

Fritz Walter

(4,290 posts)
25. Is becoming an expatriate a viable option yet?
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:28 PM
Aug 2017

When 45 was swept into office, some of my friends with overseas connections chatted about relocating to another country. And which one would they like to call home.

We agreed to watch and wait. Leaving behind family, friends, property and income-streams were huge barriers at the time. But recent events have changed perspectives. None of us want to become the metaphorical boiled frog, but then we don't want to miss opportunities to exercise our freedoms to which we've become so accustomed.

At a dinner party last weekend, some of us revisited that discussion. This time, the question was "where" rather than "if" or "when."

My choices included: Canada (especially BC), Austria and Denmark. For various reasons, Caribbean islands and Central America are ruled out. For now.

Bottom line: if we don't achieve major political change next year, many of us may bid farewell to our familiar surroundings for survival and sanity reasons.

We need to get out the vote in '18. For all the right reasons. Way too much is at stake.

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
26. I never believed this could happen in the US through elections and a democratic process, especially
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:33 PM
Aug 2017

after all of these years. Our democracy is more fragile than thought, and I am startled by those wanting to take it down, especially when it starts at the top!

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
29. the trumpsters don't care
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

they are all about destroying things so bad that their rapture fantasies come true.

ffr

(22,663 posts)
30. You got it right.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

Protect you and yours. This is only going to get worse as Mueller's investigation closes in on tRump's illegal activities.

 

LibArts

(27 posts)
31. I agree with the first assertion
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

I think we can survive this but I truly think we need to learn to unite.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
35. Shockey, it could get much, much worse if..
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 06:03 PM
Aug 2017

the markets crash. Many experts are saying a big correction may be coming, but I wouldn't put it past his people and Wall Street to help induce one. Their asses are covered regardless with hedges.

What better cover for his de-regulatory blitz, anti-immigration war and GOP calls for tax cuts and austerity?

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
36. even though our country is in danger, I believe our constitution will save us from the fascist
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 06:08 PM
Aug 2017

that was elected.

I have to believe that!!!!!

I think our founders prepared us for someone like this fascist

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
41. I think it's time to divide the country
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:13 PM
Aug 2017

At some point we have to accept that certain states simply don't want to be progressive and will fight it tooth and nail. They're going to keep electing guys like Shrub and Dump.

Let the Republican states go their own way, and we go ours. The EU is also becoming unstable. Brazil is a mess. Russia failed. Turkey is transforming into an Islamist dictatorship. Large, unwieldy, multicultural democracies are unfeasible in this current age.

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