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Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:22 PM

Killing Jews is part of Confederate Heritage?

Killing Jews is part of Confederate Heritage?

The protest march in Charlottesville was supposedly about Confederate Heritage concerning the Robert E Lee statue.

I still have not seen what the statue has about hatred of jews but it makes sense to the Nazis/KKK.

from the folks who had a 'permit' in Charlottesville.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article167939222.html

“We killed six million Jews the last time,” he answered. “Eleven million is nothing.”

(also comments about 'the ovens' during the march)

Did REL hate Jews?

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Reply Killing Jews is part of Confederate Heritage? (Original post)
keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 OP
Bladewire Aug 2017 #1
SHRED Aug 2017 #2
Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #3
LeftInTX Aug 2017 #17
GeoWilliam750 Aug 2017 #20
Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #27
Abu Pepe Aug 2017 #30
Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #33
shenmue Aug 2017 #4
no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #5
oberliner Aug 2017 #6
pangaia Aug 2017 #7
smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #28
pangaia Aug 2017 #36
Hoyt Aug 2017 #8
dflprincess Aug 2017 #12
Hoyt Aug 2017 #16
LeftInTX Aug 2017 #19
keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 #25
Yupster Aug 2017 #21
Hoyt Aug 2017 #37
Behind the Aegis Aug 2017 #9
radius777 Aug 2017 #10
GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #11
CanonRay Aug 2017 #13
Jopin Klobe Aug 2017 #14
heaven05 Aug 2017 #15
Yupster Aug 2017 #22
heaven05 Aug 2017 #23
Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #31
heaven05 Aug 2017 #32
Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #35
Yupster Aug 2017 #38
mucifer Aug 2017 #26
Not Ruth Aug 2017 #34
LeftInTX Aug 2017 #18
underpants Aug 2017 #29
malaise Aug 2017 #24

Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:26 PM

1. They are professional haters that's what they do

 

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:28 PM

2. I made a meme about this

 

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:28 PM

3. Fortunately, Judah Benjamin never noticed it

He was Jewish and their Secretary of State. I'm sure a few unkind things were said privately and publicly about that combination, but I'd be surprised if rabid antisemitism was really one of the CSA's big failings.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:29 AM

17. They didn't feel threatened by Jews because so few were in the country

I assumed the KKK turned antisemitic in response to the late 19th century immigration.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 02:12 AM

20. A bit of a side note. Somewhat contra-intuitive, but South Carolina in particular seems to have

welcomed Jews, and had the largest population of Jews of any US state in 1800

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Charleston,_South_Carolina

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:56 AM

27. Probably the right sequence.

It seems an ethnic group which doesn't have a presence is exotic, but once they arrive the mob mentality takes over.

I don't mean to suggest the CSA was some shining moral beacon in any way, just that they probably weren't measurably more antisemitic than most of the rest of Western Civilization. And that their postwar heirs adding all sorts of antisemitic, anti-Catholic, etc. platforms to their position really diverges from the original they claim to revere so.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:00 AM

30. He held several cabinet positions before it was over.

ended up fleeing to England and becoming an attorney there. I read a book about him in college for a Civil War class.

I think the anti semetism didn't make its way into southern white supremacy until the 1920s. I could be wrong.

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Response to Abu Pepe (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:07 AM

33. Things were a little fluid for the CSA, it's true.

It's hard to forget influences like Houston Stewart Chamberlain on antisemitism, too. He was decidedly post-war.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:37 PM

4. FUCK THEM!

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 09:55 PM

6. The march had nothing to do with Confederate Heritage

 

Or Robert E Lee.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:01 PM

7. It' is just a bunch of racists. Anybody with any pigment in their outer layer....

Or, 'strange' names -ie Weinberg, Abadi, Chung, Hashimoto, Baik, Oyuunchimeg, Phuong, Son, Kwakye, Jaleh.....
Africans, Muslims, Chinese, Mongolian, Jews,?-well racists just hate Jewish people, outer layer or not, Arabs,( the ones with pigmented outer layers or Arabic sounding names, OR , trust me, lily white women in head scarfs going to a Mosque, Persians,(Arabs to the idiots), Chinese, Japanese,

Ah, where am I going with this? it gets pretty ridiculous, doesn't it.... there is no rhyme or reason to it..I'll just stop.

Wonder what they would think about Itzhak Perlman? A "disabled' Jew with fat fingers( by his own admission- the fingers, that is).

If they knew my last name they would probably wack me on the head with a baseball bat.


BTW, all those names are those of friends of mine, none of whom live in the US LOL...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:00 AM

28. The funny thing is, I doubt very much that most of these people even know

a Jewish person. I don't understand where their hate comes from. It is almost certainly not from exposure. I believe it has been taught to them.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:42 AM

36. Yes you are right.

Now, I am pretty darn white.. BOORING...

Why, my goodness, I even dated a Jewish woman in college.
I dated a black woman in Memphis.
My first marriage was to a white woman from Little Rock.
My second marriage was to a Chinese woman.

When I was a kid the crowd I hung with (back then it was 'hung out with')-
included-
1- Jewish guy
1- Black guy
1- red-headed Catholic
1- dark haired Catholic
1- Native American from OK whose dad was a 'chief.' They called him CHIEF.
1- A guy whose name was actually Bill Shakespeare
1-Chinese guy,..maybe he was from Taiwan, I forget
1-and me, the WASP

Maybe that had some influence on me-

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:11 PM

8. The Klan hated Jewish people as much as Blacks.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:13 PM

12. For a long time it hated Catholics too

I always took a certain amount of pride in having belonged to a group that the Klan hated. Broke my heart when the "liberalized" their views and decided to let Catholics join.

Though the history is another reason that priest who admitted to having been a Klan member should spend the rest of his life repenting.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:43 PM

16. I know. There is pride in something like that.

Sadly, the damn white wing seems to take pride nowadays in being "persecuted" for their racism and hatred.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:45 AM

19. I think they allowed Catholics because their membership was dwindling

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:49 AM

25. Wonder why the KKK started accepting Catholics?

An epiphany or a recognition of potential members?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:23 AM

21. That would be the Klan of 1915 or so

The one that was big all over the country.

The original Klan after the Civil War had nothing to do with hating Jews.

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Response to Yupster (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:18 PM

37. All I can tell you is that in the 1950s and early 1960s there was a guy

who used to run for office -- even for governor -- in my state. He swore he wasn't a racist, but his speeches were filled with phrases like "N_____ and J___s." To this day, I do not feel comfortable using the work "J__," because of that bigot. I know it is acceptable, but it just seems derisive to me because of the hatred I heard from him and others. I always say something like "Jewish people," even when it is somewhat awkward.

Here's his photo. This guy used to swear he was not a racist, right up until they hauled him off to jail for bombing a Black church in Birmingham -- I never believe someone with a confederate flag who says they aren't a bigot:


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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:26 PM

9. Frankly, I don't think people give a shit either way.

Their hate of Jews is almost a non-worthy topic of discussion for both, and, as exemplified above, there are always those who find an exception to the rule, and pretend it is the rule. The lives of Jews are unimportant and unworthy to way too man people, which is why anti-Semitism is glossed over, until people feel the need to shame Jews for speaking out (like Billy Joel), for not speaking out (Jared, Cohn), or for not leading up the charge at every fucking slight against any other group. So, when it comes to Jews, well, we know the score.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:39 PM

10. the alt-right view Jews as the arch-enemy of the white race

that are working to destroy whites racially (via social liberalism and civil rights), economically (capitalism, socialism), etc.

iow, the march had nothing to do with 'southern heritage' or whatever and everything to do with white nationalsim.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:49 PM

11. These fuckers are not modern confederates

They are way worse. They are white nationalists and neo-nazis. They hate everyone who is not like them.

Ironically the South was more welcoming to Jews in the 19th century than many other areas of the country...as long as they kept to their place. It had to do with their Calvinist religion and the whole Jews are the people of god. I was raised baptist and was taught that we should appreciate Jews because before Jesus returns they will all become Christians. Bat shit crazy and I bet the Jews in the South thought so as well. But it kept them from total oppression.

That change with the klan. They just hate the different.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:25 PM

13. The Confederate Secretary of State was Jewish.

Judah P. Benjamin

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:31 PM

14. The Hebrew Confederate Cemetery

"The Hebrew Confederate Cemetery, located in Richmond, Virginia, is the only Jewish military cemetery in the world outside of Israel."
[link:https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-hebrew-confederate-cemetery|

"Some say that more than 10,000 Jews fought for the Confederacy, with 2,000 of them being officers or in the Confederate Government. Others say that only 6,000 Jews served in the Union Army and as few as 2,000 Jews in the Confederacy."
[link:http://www.jewishmag.com/112mag/confederates/confederates.htm|

... these klowns have no idea of actual, non-alternative reality ...

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Response to Jopin Klobe (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:38 PM

15. so to understand this

 

these jewish southerners wanted to keep blacks enslaved...so they fought and died for that to happen? Right?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:28 AM

22. Hardly

I would guess Jews had very few slaves. They were generally merchants.

They fought just like everyone else in the south fought.

Once their states seceded and the regiments were formed, they fought like everyone else did.

The Confederacy put 75 % of the adult white men in the south in uniform. No other group of Americans ever put that percentage of people under arms other than Indian tribes.

PS - I realize your question was probably rhetorical.

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Response to Yupster (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:48 AM

23. I will research

 

the question of jewish people fighting for the south and the reasons why. Knowing that there were jewish people who fought for the south, reason(s) notwithstanding, now I want to know why outside of the pure patriotism and self serving reason(s).....I realize they were merchants who did not want to raise the suspicions and ire of their neighbors as one reason, yet something tells me there are deeper reasons for them to kill others in defense of racist hate......don't get me wrong, ....in this case I am just trying to understand motivation outside of patriotism.....it's something like my questions surrounding ben carson, omarosa manigault, katrina pierson being vocal and active supporters of a racist who hates black people.

Their reasons outside of obvious hate of their own color projected onto black people is a burning question I must find answers to, just to understand the traitorous mind...to a ALL that is decent and reasonable. Any traitor to right and decency is a complicated many layered individual. We can see that today multiplied by the millions that voted for their leader, the traitor in the WH imitating a potus.

Whether you see my question as an attempt to make just a point is irrelevant to me, it is query into the minds of traitor to all right and decent that human beings should never stop trying to attain. Yet it seems that quest is at a standstill and regressing back to the caves of early ancestors of some.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:02 AM

31. I'd suggest it probably has some comparison to Irish in British service

When you take a group and make it clear in a thousand little ways that they may have full legal rights but they're thought of as second-class citizens, sometimes they react by going above and beyond to prove how loyal they are to the community.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:05 AM

32. interesting

 

as one explanation for being a traitor to ones own kind and decency.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:10 AM

35. Herd instinct does strange things in predator omnivores.

It's my guess, and it's all I got.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:22 PM

38. Good luck in your research

There is quite a bit already written about Jews in the Confederacy. I think you'll find that they fought for the same patriotic reasons as their neighbors. When their states left the Union and formed a new nation, and that nation went to war, they went to war with it just like their non-Jewish friends and neighbors did.

The other thing I think needs research though is what the federal government meant to people in 1860. The relationship between the people and the federal government was so different from the world today that it needs to be understood to understand the times back then. The average person today deals with the federal government all the time, but back then, think of a world without income taxes, national parks, social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, food stamps and even food and drug regulations.

I have my own academic interest in the Confederacy. I have studied the Confederate Constitution. It is the only time that a group of learned men ever looked at the US Constitution and decided what to keep and what to change. They met in committees for weeks, groups of former congressmen, senators, and judges and in the end didn't make many changes. They even decided to keep the electoral college. They did decide a president can't run for reelection and got one six year term. They put in a line item veto.

Anyway, good luck in your research from this old history teacher and textbook author.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:54 AM

26. I'm Jewish and it was horribly eye opening to find out this did happen.

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Response to Jopin Klobe (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:09 AM

34. That is horrible

 

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:36 AM

18. It is part of the KKKs heritage

I don't think the CSA had anything against Jews. I say this because there were so few Jews in the country in 1860. A handful of Jews were valued as merchants and would set up shops in out of the way places. Once Jews started immigrating in the late 19th century, the KKK turned their wrath against them.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:00 AM

29. They hated everyone who isn't white and Protestant

and females are only tolerated.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:52 AM

24. So is lynching African-Americans

and remember enslaving Africans is a centuries old 'heritage' that they miss so badly.

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