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LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 06:51 PM Aug 2017

Twitter is taking Joel Osteen to the woodshed. Here are some of my faves.

almightygod? @almightygod
Joel Osteen won't let his megachurch be used to help Houston's flood victims. Maybe I shoulda put something in the Bible about this.

Eugene Gu, MD? Verified account @eugenegu
Joel Osteen's megachurch is designed for the rising tithe, not tide.

Doug Keegan? @doug_keegan
H-Town, let the record show that Mattress Mack opened Gallery Furniture as a shelter but Joel Osteen kept doors of Lakewood Church closed.

Michael, still here? @Home_Halfway
Joel Osteen is to Christianity what Trump is to morality.



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Twitter is taking Joel Osteen to the woodshed. Here are some of my faves. (Original Post) LonePirate Aug 2017 OP
Stunning proof what they are all about, isnt it. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #1
I despise televangelists NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #2
Yep shenmue Aug 2017 #52
Try Pharisee-false prophet or is that profit? rustydog Aug 2017 #70
I think I remember something about... BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2017 #76
Anti-pha tweets. ancianita Aug 2017 #129
Obviously a hypocrite.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #3
The winner malaise Aug 2017 #4
They believe lordsummerisle Aug 2017 #5
The best: Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #6
Interesting. logosoco Aug 2017 #7
There seems to be a contest going on in Texas. Mariana Aug 2017 #15
It used to be a basketball arena. See below. nt TexasTowelie Aug 2017 #38
Or gaudiest. George II Aug 2017 #45
The church is located in the former Compaq Center TexasTowelie Aug 2017 #36
And every time I pass it, all I can think of is Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #48
and hooey (nt) klook Aug 2017 #58
When I'm in Houston.... trusty elf Aug 2017 #93
Well that explains one thing Fritz Walter Aug 2017 #88
That's for the armored truck(s) after a good Sunday Crash2Parties Aug 2017 #91
It used the be the arena for the Houston Rockets. It was called The Summit. Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #53
Actually.. cannabis_flower Aug 2017 #112
That's funny! logosoco Aug 2017 #119
Whenever I see something like this, I think of GeoWilliam750 Aug 2017 #8
Smiles as he take your money. SonofDonald Aug 2017 #9
He can quote scripture, but putting Christian LuckyLib Aug 2017 #10
Grifter. 👍 Duppers Aug 2017 #23
For those of you that don't know... The arena is filled water...I dont know how to transfer pics .. Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #11
The pictures above show no flooding. yardwork Aug 2017 #13
Looks like the balcony is flooded above w quite a large sanctuary below .. Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #80
That's physically impossible. yardwork Aug 2017 #96
Snopes is saying these photos appear to be taken outside AllyCat Aug 2017 #105
AlsO, Jesus must have teleported himself over to cut the drywall out elehhhhna Aug 2017 #101
No one who makes that much money being a minister is above board. TNNurse Aug 2017 #18
spot on Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #55
Judas got 30 pieces of silver, but just once, for selling Christ. keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 #137
He's all, "just send money." Rat faced little weasel. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #61
same here gopiscrap Aug 2017 #69
Yada yada i understand what you feel but im just... Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #81
Do you defend everything you find online? yardwork Aug 2017 #97
The church is not even open on Christmas. I'm not making this up. elehhhhna Aug 2017 #98
His books are not overwhelming about Jesus? Ilsa Aug 2017 #24
Um, he is a prosperity gospel "send me money and everything will be GREEEAAAAT" type. That has anneboleyn Aug 2017 #113
Any preacher who lives in a 10 million dollar home is not a man of God... likesmountains 52 Aug 2017 #47
If it was that flooded then how did the sheetrock get cut off? Bengus81 Aug 2017 #110
Those photos look like they were from before the hurricane. LiberalFighter Aug 2017 #111
Both things you claim are UNTRUE. His church is accessible and it is NOT FLOODED. OSTEEN IS A LIAR anneboleyn Aug 2017 #120
and yet, now he has been shamed into opening Skittles Aug 2017 #134
Well...before jumping to conclusions your pics are obsolete already... Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #12
Your pictures show an odd anomaly. Lower sections are not flooded. yardwork Aug 2017 #14
More reporting from on the street. grossproffit Aug 2017 #19
Jesus is going to be pissed. yardwork Aug 2017 #32
Report from on the ground. grossproffit Aug 2017 #17
It's special water, holy water if you will. Only floods the inside. nt yonder Aug 2017 #54
Good one! Perfect!! n/t KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #77
Do you still feel that those photos are from Lakewood Church? grossproffit Aug 2017 #59
Did he go to another building? I guess more will come out later. Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #79
I mean another church to take pics so to fake everyone out? Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #82
Lakewood Church didn't post those photos. It now appears that they will be opening. grossproffit Aug 2017 #94
Hah, I bet they bought those in a hurry as they have been getting a HUGE amount of shit. Osteen anneboleyn Aug 2017 #114
It's a miracle!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #123
🙏 Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #136
Defending a Charlatan is like a GOP Senator defending Trump, funny stuff. sarcasmo Aug 2017 #74
I saw one that said his church was only built as a shelter from taxes. Takket Aug 2017 #16
Winner!! Ligyron Aug 2017 #26
no doubt his money is dry and still in his own pocket rurallib Aug 2017 #41
Sounds about right tiptonic Aug 2017 #43
I wonder how many more people are considering becoming an Atheist after this? BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #20
many, I would hope. Ligyron Aug 2017 #28
Unfortunately most people don't wake up until illness or suffering hits home and "god" doesn't save anneboleyn Aug 2017 #117
AMEN! BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #125
Almost nobody sets out to become atheist. Ligyron Aug 2017 #127
Become an atheist because of Joel Olsteen? lunamagica Aug 2017 #35
...well, that's a start to rational thinking. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #37
I don't find anything rational about equatin Joel O with God lunamagica Aug 2017 #42
Amen... Exactly what I've told dozens of people The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2017 #62
It's disgusting to Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #130
They conveniently forget all the churches that have opened their doors and are helping lunamagica Aug 2017 #133
I stopped believing when I realized that there is no "all-loving god" who "saves" the suffering anneboleyn Aug 2017 #116
I share your journey LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #131
Osteen is vile. kairos12 Aug 2017 #21
State of Texas does permit the taking of property in times of emergency Best_man23 Aug 2017 #22
🔼 Excellent. Duppers Aug 2017 #25
Now, that would be a sign. grossproffit Aug 2017 #29
Its not flooded ELY08 Aug 2017 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Glorfindel Aug 2017 #33
Hope some in his flock wake up. Hope he is forced to give more to charity. applegrove Aug 2017 #30
Shame. CanonRay Aug 2017 #31
he is going to hell. rich man camel eye of needle heaven. its in the book nt msongs Aug 2017 #34
That's what I say to righties treestar Aug 2017 #102
Give Joel a few days Turbineguy Aug 2017 #39
Already asking for donations, partnered with Franklin Graham. politicat Aug 2017 #75
He already has it figured out or he wouldn't be opening the doors. His bill is going to US Gov't. Fla Dem Aug 2017 #107
Exactly, and he will record footage of himself "saving" his flock from the floodwaters... anneboleyn Aug 2017 #122
Giving Christians (true ones) a bad name. Lifelong Protester Aug 2017 #40
The "Big Guy" has your number Joel. CentralMass Aug 2017 #44
Maybe he'll ask for donations to his church left-of-center2012 Aug 2017 #46
He asked that his paritioners donate to Lakewoid's "Samaritan Fund" TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #90
"Prosperity Gospel" is just another term for grifting. Initech Aug 2017 #49
Further proof Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #50
He's an ass!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #51
Phony hypocrite... llmart Aug 2017 #56
I like this one: Joel Osteen's megachurch is designed for the rising tithe, not tide. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #57
The church is completely flooded oberliner Aug 2017 #60
Or is it? Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #63
Are you calling Osteen a liar? Nevernose Aug 2017 #64
Glad conditions have improved oberliner Aug 2017 #66
Conditions haven't improved. Osteen lied and pushed out fake photos. yardwork Aug 2017 #67
For what reason? oberliner Aug 2017 #68
"I would think that a church would want to help out if it was able" RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #72
I gather you aren't familiar with Osteen dflprincess Aug 2017 #73
O.k.? Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #83
He also has a very nasty spoiled wife elehhhhna Aug 2017 #99
"I would think that a church would want to help out if it was able." Orrex Aug 2017 #103
Spot on. nt cwydro Aug 2017 #108
Because he cares about $$$ and is a televangelist, that's why. It's not complicated. anneboleyn Aug 2017 #121
Ha! You are the best! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #126
Would a minister do that? That would be easily investigated that he did tat and would ruin him. Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #85
It's called 'pious fraud', and Osteen is merely the practitioner du jour friendly_iconoclast Aug 2017 #86
Of course he lied, he is a mega church christian pastor , he is a liar by definition. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #115
If this is true (and I don't doubt it), he should be shamed out of business. And I do mean business. anneboleyn Aug 2017 #118
to late the un-American pos didn't at first want to do anything rockfordfile Aug 2017 #92
That's the parking garage. Not the church. This is a curious defense of Osteen. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #65
The orher pic shows the balcony flooded above the sanctuary. Pauldg47 Aug 2017 #84
I'm going to put this as gently as possible: You've been had, by a moneychanger in the temple friendly_iconoclast Aug 2017 #87
Yep. cwydro Aug 2017 #109
Did you notice that the sanctuary is dry? yardwork Aug 2017 #95
They say one blinks when one is lying... Thor_MN Aug 2017 #71
One good side-effect: KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2017 #78
What a world class scumbag. CentralMass Aug 2017 #89
Video preachers MFM008 Aug 2017 #100
I sent him a one word response yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #104
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Aug 2017 #106
My fav.. Kentonio Aug 2017 #124
True story. Enorgnoz Aug 2017 #128
Cool story FakeNoose Aug 2017 #132
Osteen and Pat Robertson should share the the same prison cell for scamming the people out of their geretogo Aug 2017 #135

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
2. I despise televangelists
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 06:55 PM
Aug 2017

They're grifters, strictly in it for the money and fame. Joel even looks like a horrible human being.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
70. Try Pharisee-false prophet or is that profit?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:51 PM
Aug 2017

I seem to recall something about a camel passing through the eye of a needle before a rich man will enter the kingdom of heaven...

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
76. I think I remember something about...
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:28 PM
Aug 2017

Pharisees and False Prophets in your midst, yet many will not see them.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
3. Obviously a hypocrite....
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 06:58 PM
Aug 2017

I think Jesus would throw the money changer out onto the flooded street.....and let the people in.

malaise

(267,843 posts)
4. The winner
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 07:02 PM
Aug 2017

Eugene Gu, MD? Verified account @eugenegu
Joel Osteen's megachurch is designed for the rising tithe, not tide.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
7. Interesting.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 07:19 PM
Aug 2017

I saw something about this earlier today and then someone said the church was in Houston and was being impacted by the flood. Looks like that is not the case here.

And that is one ugly looking building. One thing I have always appreciated about churches, especially really old ones, was their architecture. I guess this one is more like a shrine to money.

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
15. There seems to be a contest going on in Texas.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:04 PM
Aug 2017

Whoever puts up the ugliest church building wins something. That's the only explanation I can think of to explain the presence of so many hideous churches.

TexasTowelie

(111,319 posts)
36. The church is located in the former Compaq Center
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:41 PM
Aug 2017

where the Houston Rockets basketball team played. Lakewood Church leased the building after the Rockets moved to the Toyota Arena.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
112. Actually..
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:10 PM
Aug 2017

that church wasn't built as a church. It used to be The Summit. It was an arena for concerts and the Rockets used to play there.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
119. That's funny!
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:49 PM
Aug 2017

I just saw someone on twitter defending Osteen saying it is not a place of shelter, it is a place of worship!

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
9. Smiles as he take your money.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 07:41 PM
Aug 2017

Every time I see his picture I get pissed, smiling away, grid ting money from old folks and anybody he can.

It's all just bullshit, disgusting.

LuckyLib

(6,814 posts)
10. He can quote scripture, but putting Christian
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 07:43 PM
Aug 2017

values into practice? Nah! Who needs our fellow humans who need care?

Grifter. Pure and simple.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
11. For those of you that don't know... The arena is filled water...I dont know how to transfer pics ..
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 07:50 PM
Aug 2017

They were going to open it. I do like Joel..he's different than others Evangelist's. Im glad it is not true what some of you are saying. I will try to attach. Hope it comes out...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYV87Mkg0Br/

For all you people who jump to conclusions, Joel was going to open it but for two reasons he couldn't ...first, there wasn't access and next it was flooded inside.

His flock is made equally of all races...I guess flock is the way to say it...sounds corny but you all should read his books...not overwelming about Jesus.

Finally, and I might be rambling...it seems that dems are better Christians ....Just saying???!!! Now I'm judging and going to Hell...Right?!

AllyCat

(16,039 posts)
105. Snopes is saying these photos appear to be taken outside
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:03 AM
Aug 2017

The one on the inside shows water ABOVE in a balcony and none below. Maybe there really is flooding and these still shots don't capture it in the right angle. Most of us recognize Osteen for the hateful things he says about certain groups, his support for the maniac in the WH, and his gritting ways.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
101. AlsO, Jesus must have teleported himself over to cut the drywall out
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:58 AM
Aug 2017

The carpenter, not the deity

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
18. No one who makes that much money being a minister is above board.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:10 PM
Aug 2017

He takes money and builds buildings (and a really nice house) what does that have to do with being a Christian?

How many people in his "congregation" have actually met him? How many does he visit in the hospital? How many does he comfort and counsel? He is a business.

Quoting scripture and drawing big crowds does not impress me as Christian activity.

When he speaks I get a really creepy, oily feeling like someone in a really awful story from my childhood.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
55. spot on
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:09 PM
Aug 2017

all these "mega" churches give me the creeps. passing them on the road makes my skin prickle.

If you're making/keeping millions off your congregation you're not a Christian.

keithbvadu2

(36,371 posts)
137. Judas got 30 pieces of silver, but just once, for selling Christ.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:02 PM
Aug 2017

Judas got 30 pieces of silver, but just once, for selling Christ.

Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, Jim Bakker and their ilk get millions of dollars repeatedly for selling Christ.

Judas was a fool for doing a one-time sale.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
81. Yada yada i understand what you feel but im just...
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:06 AM
Aug 2017

Showing the balcony and stage. I just found it on line.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
24. His books are not overwhelming about Jesus?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:26 PM
Aug 2017

Then what is the point?

If he's a prosperity gospel minister, you can keep him.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
113. Um, he is a prosperity gospel "send me money and everything will be GREEEAAAAT" type. That has
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:15 PM
Aug 2017

zero to do with the Christ of the New Testament. I don't care how many times he says "Jesus" in his books; his mission in life isn't about imitating the NT Christ. He rakes in $$$ from poor and elderly constituents who believe his very standard prosperity gospel lie that gawd will bless them with MORE money and more "blessings" if they send HIM money.

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
111. Those photos look like they were from before the hurricane.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 11:13 AM
Aug 2017

The drywall has been cut out. Isn't drywall is cut out after the disaster is over and repairs begin? Something is fishy. Even if there isn't fish in the water.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
120. Both things you claim are UNTRUE. His church is accessible and it is NOT FLOODED. OSTEEN IS A LIAR
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:50 PM
Aug 2017

And he didn't want to help his fellow Christians or his precious "flock" until people on Twitter took their OWN PHOTOS ARE SHAMED THAT MILLIONAIRE TELEVANGELIST ASSHOLE INTO OPENING HIS CHURCH. He is a scumbag.

Skittles

(152,967 posts)
134. and yet, now he has been shamed into opening
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 04:54 PM
Aug 2017

how did THAT happen? because those pics were taken NEAR the church, not AT the church

what a fucking con man he is

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
14. Your pictures show an odd anomaly. Lower sections are not flooded.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:00 PM
Aug 2017

How can there be water in the upper galleries and none below?

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
32. Jesus is going to be pissed.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:35 PM
Aug 2017

Turning people in need away, lying about it, doctoring photos, and paying people to spread the fake info on the internet.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
79. Did he go to another building? I guess more will come out later.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:59 PM
Aug 2017

...lots of cheap shots though from others who have no proof too. I have never seen Joel take political sides. Im no right wing political bigot.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
94. Lakewood Church didn't post those photos. It now appears that they will be opening.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 05:29 AM
Aug 2017

"Lakewood Church apparently bought countless air mattresses and are prepping to open their doors."




anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
114. Hah, I bet they bought those in a hurry as they have been getting a HUGE amount of shit. Osteen
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:18 PM
Aug 2017

is a millionaire prosperity gospel type -- this is frankly the least he can do considering how much $$$$ his constituents give so that gawd will bless them.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,273 posts)
123. It's a miracle!!!!
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:52 PM
Aug 2017

He parted the flood waters!!! He cast an air mattress upon the water and it came back one hundred fold!!!!!

tiptonic

(765 posts)
43. Sounds about right
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:50 PM
Aug 2017

That's all religion is in this country. A tax shelter for the very smart and the very dense.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
117. Unfortunately most people don't wake up until illness or suffering hits home and "god" doesn't save
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:40 PM
Aug 2017

them. We have had this happen way, way too often with our extended friends and family. Some of them even believed in the Rapture (barf) until they realized they were dying and no Rapture was happening. It happens like clockwork, every time. Very, very sad. Of course when OTHER people suffer they say "pray and god will bless you" and/or "it's god's plan" or they say truly evil things like "well sometimes god punishes..." When it hits home (usually these people are so selfish that they don't care until it actually strikes them personally -- such as getting a terminal cancer diagnosis)

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
127. Almost nobody sets out to become atheist.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 01:31 PM
Aug 2017

I know I personally tried every trick I could come up with to continue believing in a fairy godfather and that in spite of all the hideous things contained in much of the Christian belief system. "I know: I'll just ignore those!"

I drifted into a sort of pantheism toward the end before just giving up and accepting the truth. Once I did, it was amazing how freeing losing all that baggage became.

I've never been happier!

Still, when I see how many cable channels are dedicated to fleecing folks it just blows my mind. I keep thinking there can't be the number of people which would justify so much bandwidth but apparently there are.

I must say, I just love The Atheist Experience show on youtube! Big shout out 'cause that helped me a lot and is a never ending source of amusement.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
35. Become an atheist because of Joel Olsteen?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:39 PM
Aug 2017

I'd doubt that. If anything, they would stop trusting televangelists, or even religion

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(713 posts)
62. Amen... Exactly what I've told dozens of people
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:41 PM
Aug 2017

over the last 20 years. These grifter/fake creeps are the ultimate in identity thieves, hiding behind God to justify what they do to others in the name of God...

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
130. It's disgusting to
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 02:51 PM
Aug 2017

see so many people try to ridicule Christianity (and religion in general) just because of a handful of bad actors like Olsteen. It's not enough for some people to not believe in the religion--they have to diss it and portray all believers as dumb.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
116. I stopped believing when I realized that there is no "all-loving god" who "saves" the suffering
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:34 PM
Aug 2017

And that this god supposedly loves and protects the "most blessed" -- the poor, the sick, children, the vulnerable members of society. I think it's painfully obvious that this isn't the case. Yes, I have a graduate degree, and over the years I have heard every tortured argument well-educated theologically-minded Christians from various traditions (Catholics and some Protestants) have developed over the past 1500 years or so to explain why a supposedly all-loving and all-knowing god allows hideous, agonizing suffering that is not justifiable IN ANY WAY (they will cry "free will!" -- this doesn't cut it -- sorry -- also doesn't explain the suffering of those who are not capable of exercising free will -- the mentally ill, children and babies, and animals -- who are not considered moral agents in Christian belief.

Other religious traditions have different explanations -- as in Hinduism for example "god" (Shiva for example) has a destructive side as well as a creative, all-loving side). Obviously the god of Judaism works in a different way as does Allah and other traditions such as Buddhism, which regards suffering as an inherent part of human existence.

But I lost any belief in the Christian god as I got older the reality of human suffering opened my eyes.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
131. I share your journey
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 02:54 PM
Aug 2017

Being brought up in a Christian fundie household. One of my 'favorite' excuses is: Its all in God's great plan that we are too small and stupid to see. That so much more good will come out of tragedy like this than bad....in the long run. (that only our Dear Saviour can see and has planned)

One of the last straws for me was my father, a decent kind person who was a devout Christian his whole life, never smoked or drank a drop of liquor, develop a form of Alzheimers not long after finally retiring. This was God's reward for his faithful dedication. And robbing my mother of the love of her life just as they would have been able to enjoy their twilight years together. And on the other hand, at the time, watching a fake Christian like W Bush fleecing so many with lies, and being rewarded with his part in the looting of Iraq. And being supported by the evangelical community in the US, completely blinded and hoodwinked as they are being now by even Trump, someone who is the antithesis of everything that is Christ like. Any group that can be so easily duped and led around by the nose by any charlatan has to be not only a cult but a dangerous one.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
25. 🔼 Excellent.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:27 PM
Aug 2017

Would these desperate folks be charged with breaking and entering if they went in?

Response to ELY08 (Reply #27)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
102. That's what I say to righties
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:00 AM
Aug 2017

who claim the US is a "Christian nation." Then why aren't the rich rushing to give money away? Given that verse, they should be terrified to have enough to be called "rich."

Fla Dem

(23,353 posts)
107. He already has it figured out or he wouldn't be opening the doors. His bill is going to US Gov't.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:48 AM
Aug 2017

You don't think he's doing this out of "Christian Charity" do you? He will be itemizing every single one of those air mattresses and every other expense that goes into to him providing "Christian Charity". He will then send that bill to the US gov't so all tax payers can share in his "Christian Charity", while he doesn't spend one red cent.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,044 posts)
90. He asked that his paritioners donate to Lakewoid's "Samaritan Fund"
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 02:49 AM
Aug 2017

Not the Red Cross. Not United Way. Not the city's Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund (https://ghcfdisaster.kimbia.com/hurricaneharveyrelieffund). He wants the checks to be made out to "Lakewood Church".

Initech

(99,915 posts)
49. "Prosperity Gospel" is just another term for grifting.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:59 PM
Aug 2017

When it comes time to do something Jesus would do, they give you the finger.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
50. Further proof
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:02 PM
Aug 2017

There should be a tax on these mega churches. If a church is making people into millionaires they're not a church, they're a for profit business.

llmart

(15,502 posts)
56. Phony hypocrite...
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:15 PM
Aug 2017

I can't stand to see him on TV on Sundays. I switch the channel so fast it makes my head spin. He's just a newer version of Jim and Tammy Baker.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
57. I like this one: Joel Osteen's megachurch is designed for the rising tithe, not tide.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:19 PM
Aug 2017

Eugene Gu, MD? Verified account @eugenegu
Joel Osteen's megachurch is designed for the rising tithe, not tide.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
64. Are you calling Osteen a liar?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:45 PM
Aug 2017

Because he just opened up the church to evacuees and refugees. That's the basement of the parking garage.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
67. Conditions haven't improved. Osteen lied and pushed out fake photos.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:34 PM
Aug 2017

When people walked around his dry empty church (see the video upthread) he was shamed into opening the church. It's dry. It's been dry.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
68. For what reason?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:39 PM
Aug 2017

I would think that a church would want to help out if it was able.

Maybe there were some logistical problems due to the flooding in the parking garage at first and now that things have subsided a bit, they are able to set up a shelter.

Don't we owe folks the benefit of the doubt in these emergency situations?

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
72. "I would think that a church would want to help out if it was able"
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:00 PM
Aug 2017

Yeah, well maybe that's the point of all this.

dflprincess

(28,057 posts)
73. I gather you aren't familiar with Osteen
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:01 PM
Aug 2017

a true believer in the Supply Side Jesus who would cheat your grandmother out of her last dollar to finance his very opulent lifestyle.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
103. "I would think that a church would want to help out if it was able."
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:04 AM
Aug 2017

You have to be kidding, right? Osteen doesn't run a church--he runs a printing press for money
And it all dumps right into his pocket.

Don't we owe folks the benefit of the doubt in these emergency situations?
Osteen is a huckster and a charlatan, so until his claims are verified independently, only a fool believes anything he says.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
85. Would a minister do that? That would be easily investigated that he did tat and would ruin him.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:27 AM
Aug 2017

More will come out.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
118. If this is true (and I don't doubt it), he should be shamed out of business. And I do mean business.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:47 PM
Aug 2017

Any "pastor" or whatever he calls himself who would prefer to let his FELLOW CHRISTIANS SUFFER AND POSSIBLY DIE and lie about his church being flooded deserves to be run out of town. Scumbag.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
87. I'm going to put this as gently as possible: You've been had, by a moneychanger in the temple
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:54 AM
Aug 2017

Seems Joel didn't want anyone in his church that wasn't a paying customer and came up with some frankly
shoddy attempts at excuses.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
95. Did you notice that the sanctuary is dry?
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 06:42 AM
Aug 2017

It's physically impossible for the spaces above to be flooded while the spaces below stay dry.

The photos are fake.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
71. They say one blinks when one is lying...
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:57 PM
Aug 2017

Hook a generator to Osteen's eyelids and get him to start talking and you could power the entire recovery effort....

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,483 posts)
78. One good side-effect:
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:48 PM
Aug 2017

Maybe this will encourage owners of other facilities to open up, too - perhaps all over Texas and Louisiana as the need spreads and the long grind of recovery sets in. During Katrina, we had folks bused up here to KY and Indiana.

MFM008

(19,782 posts)
100. Video preachers
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:57 AM
Aug 2017

Are the type of scum HE drove from the temple.
Money changers.
If Donald J Maggot had an outside profession he would be Osteen.

Enorgnoz

(8 posts)
128. True story.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 01:56 PM
Aug 2017

I paid about $150 to take my girlfriend (now wife) to see him about 6 years ago at a convention center in Orlando. She's a recovering Christian from rural SC, but had always been a fan of his. I was very much agnostic at the time (now an Atheist), but I have to admit, I didn't mind him. He's very charismatic and, on TV, he seemed to keep his sermons focused more on the lessons and morality of the bible than preaching it as actual fact. I didn't mind that at all, so I surprised her with a couple tickets for her birthday.

I remember two things vividly from that performance - and what a performance it was. 1) the band was BUMPING. They had this drummer that was on point all damn night - tight as hell. Blood of the lamb my ass, he had the blood of Terry Bozzio. 2) every 15 minutes, literally, he paused to allow people to walk through the crowd with donation buckets; for his church, for someone else's church, for his church, for a mission to Haiti, for his church, for the disabled, for his church, for the FCA, for every group under the sun...and his church. It was about a year or so later than I learned of his sprawling estate and saw the BS for what it was - yep, it all made sense.

Anyway, he was much heavier into the literal interpretation of the bible in-person. Meh. We left early, partied downtown, had crazy drunk hotel room sex, and conceived our first child that night. Good times.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
135. Osteen and Pat Robertson should share the the same prison cell for scamming the people out of their
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 05:41 PM
Aug 2017

money as far as I'm concerned .

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