Impeachment will lead to Civil War

[Chasstev365]

Roger Stone, Jim Baker, etc.

Me thinks this is a planned strategy to scare Reps and Senators out of impeachment even if it is clearly warranted.

Watch for more righties to start echoing this not so veiled threat!

[BigmanPigman]

1. Who listens to these two idiots except the idiot in chief?

[TheBlackAdder]

79. While everyone knows who the teabagging secessionists are, they have no idea who will resist them.

[maxsolomon]

2. And Fascism won't?

It didn't lead to a Civil War when they impeached Clinton for a blowjob, why would it lead there when Trump's Russian collusion and money laundering is irrefutable?

Oh, right: because Republicans will have their fee-fees hurt, and we know how old white men use guns to settle scores.

[brush]

78. Which states specifically would be part of the new confederacy?

Have these new civil war advocates thought of that, that there no clearly delineated Mason-Dixon line?

There are pockets of idiot trump supporters in all states. What land are they going to defend?

Do they expect us to believe that these mostly middle-aged, overweight, gun humpers with small arms who would be exhausted after a week in the field are going to start a war against National Guard tanks, fighter jets, helicopters, artillery, transports and organized troops, not to mention state police and local police?

Give us a break from their foolish imaginings.

[maxsolomon]

80. No, it won't be a war with Territories

the New Civil War will be a bloodbath, a race riot where they drive their trucks to the poor neighborhoods and kill black and brown men with their hoarded semi-automatics. then they'll go to liberal cities and kill whypeepo outside the whole foods.

then Fox say it was our fault because a crusty smashed a window.

[brush]

81. I repeat, they're going to do that against National Guard tanks, fighter jets, helicopters,

artillery, transports and organized troops, not to mention state police and local police?

Initially they may pull off a few raids that you describe but they will be crushed quickly. And this time I hope they hang the traitors like they should have done with those from the Civil War.

[maxsolomon]

82. Nope, it will be a Guerilla war.

The Klan didn't form lines or hold positions that could be attacked by regualrs. They raided, terrorized, killed, and went back to work the next day.

Think Death Squads. Death Squads of goateed fat white guys in baseball hats. You know, Real Americans.

[brush]

83. I get the sarcasm. Of course you don't think there are no real Americans who will...

won't fight back against the traitors.

We all saw the turn out in Boston after the white supremacists rioted in Charlottesville, right?

About 100 of them cowered under that park covering while 40,000 demonstrated against them.

There are way more people against any new civil war and they won't stay inactive and allow themselves and their country to be overrun by white supremacists.

There won't be any pick-up truck rebellion by neo-nazis that won't be put down quickly.

[maxsolomon]

84. I didn't say what the Left's reaction would be

I just said what I think the Right's tactics would be.

They'll instigate it; they always have. Their media will make any excuse needed to justify it; they always have.

The effect will be to further isolate and alienate Urban America from Rural America till we're in danger just going on a day hike.

I just spent a week in Trump Country - the High Desert of Oregon. I can tell you, they have no idea what Urban Americans are like, but they just KNOW we're trying to destroy everything they believe in (which is almost 100% false).

[brush]

85. We're on the same page. I re-read your post. At first I missed the sarcasm in your last line...

so I edited my response.

[tazkcmo]

3. I'd re-enlist for that.

I'm a little angry at GOPee-ers right now.

[ProudLib72]

15. I'd try to enlist for that

even after two broken backs and a club foot. I'm more than a little angry with the GOP right now.

[NewDem17]

19. Long time reader and had to make an account

So I've been a long time reader of this website, but I saw this comment and I knew....This is the time I need to make an account.

Why are both of you jumping for joy at the prospects of a Civil War? Why are both of ya'll so excited to be able to rejoin the Military and wage war and kill fellow Americans?

Is that really where we want this country to go? Do we want every semblance of the American way torn down in a bloody war spilling out into American Soil and into our cities, streets, and homes.

Do we want our children, parents, and friends split apart on opposing sides and killing one another because we believe differently?

Why does this thought fill both of you with such glee that you just hope and pray it comes to this so you can re-enlist, and enlist and kill fellow Americans with the name of the US Government and US Military at your back?

To me the thought of a civil war terrifies me, I can't imagine hoping for such an outcome and being excited at the prospect.

[DesertRat]

28. Welcome to DU, NewDem17!

For how long have you been a "New Dem"?

[NewDem17]

31. Since 2012

I used to be one of those who did not care one way or another and never payed attention to who was running this country.

After seeing Obama in his first term and watching the way he handled the position as President helped me decide and I finally got my butt in gear and started caring, been voting Dem since...which in the big scheme isn't long, but I'm still young.

[DesertRat]

33. That's great!

In the words of President Obama: "Stay informed. Stay engaged. Speak up."

[Rhiannon12866]

56. Welcome to DU, NewDem17!

We're glad to have you with us! I always voted, mostly for Democrats, but it was 9/11 that woke me up. I'm in New York. I found DU in 2003 and learn something new here every single day. And nobody here advocates war, but it's tough not to blow off steam with the daily horror show that Trump has become. DU is the best place on the internets to keep informed about what's happening in this country - and the world - and to join with like minded people.

[demosincebirth]

35. Settle down, can't you tell a little male bravado when you read it?

[ProudLib72]

53. Male bravado is my first amendment right!

[leftstreet]

38. No, we wouldn't want that

Do we want every semblance of the American way torn down in a bloody war spilling out into American Soil and into our cities, streets, and homes.

Do we want our children, parents, and friends split apart on opposing sides and killing one another because we believe differently?

[Maeve]

68. Why do I hear Patrick Henry's speech?

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.

Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

No, I do NOT advocte violence. Seriously, I don't think it will come to this; the tiki-torch army are at heart cowards and talk big but fall apart when out-numbered and we DO out-number them. But I will not be a 'good German' (apologies, modern Germany, but...) and allow fascism to win.

edited to add: http://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfm

[leftstreet]

74. Perfect!

[gopiscrap]

42. welcome to DU

[Doreen]

54. Welcome to DU.

[Eliot Rosewater]

75. You are experiencing RAGE of patriots, people who would NEVER sell the country out

to Russians like Trump did or would NEVER stand by and say nothing if someone else did it like just about the entire GOP is now doing.

Now, having said that, in the end NO we dont want a civil war. We dont want killing in the streets to become the order of the day.

We are, however, dealing with approximately 40-50 million adult American voters who are more comfortable with a murderous dictator, Putin, than a woman or black democrat.

THAT is a HUGE fucking problem.

Any suggestions?

[burnbaby]

76. there is lots of anger here

don't let it upset you. The good will come out

[tazkcmo]

91. Joy?

I said angry, not joyful. Learn the difference.

[gopiscrap]

92. welcome to du

[malaise]

4. That's why he's courting these deplorale assholes

They'll scatter like rats - LOCK THEM ALL UP!!!

[NightWatcher]

5. Just like the 20 nazis that showed up in Boston vs the 200,000 non-nazis

I like our odds

[Ilsa]

6. Me too. This is just a scare tactic.

Not buying it.

[uponit7771]

16. +1, some of them are bit too fluffy to fight for anything

[Comatose Sphagetti]

25. Liberal in a cornfield here...

Fluffy is right. Most of the hardcore, potentially violent trumpers around here are 3B's... Beards, belly's and baseball caps. And many are middle-aged and older. They would be in grave danger of a massive MI if they had to run flat-out for 50 yards.

[uponit7771]

73. lol

[thecrow]

27. Well, there is that box of doughnuts

they might fight over that...

[anneboleyn]

71. "Some?" I'd say 98% of them get all exercise via video game

[L. Coyote]

47. Don't forget their Supreme Leader, Bone Spur Donnie ....

Oh wait, he'll have to sit this one out and go golfing because he has a bone spur.

[Amishman]

89. The far right doesn't live in Boston, MA

They live in places like New Holland, PA.

Most of this country is blue urban islands in seas of red countryside.

If it comes to open violence, it will be very long and very ugly - and geography still won't be our friend

Let's stop the macho nonsense and not endorse violence

[woodsprite]

7. They push that idea to hold us hostage. n/t

[icymist]

8. If impeaching Trump for collusion with Russia leads to civil war, then it would be a traitors war

Do these asshats really think that 1/3 of the population would actually take up arms to protect Russia and it's Manchurian (candidate) president?

[LSFL]

9. bunch of suck-a-titty babies

They think we are afraid of their fat stupid asses. I showed the head idiot at work my concealed carry permit and now noone says anything political to me. They are more afraid of us than we are of them. Dont be afraid of them.

[Kaleva]

22. Just so you know, we don't shame tit suckers here at DU.

[LSFL]

29. lmao!!

[NurseJackie]

10. No it won't.

[ProfessorGAC]

65. What Jackie Said!

It's all bluster from a few morons.

[Turbineguy]

11. I found a youtube

over the weekend with some guy threatening to massacre "liberals" if Trump gets the heave-ho. This guy sounds like a real nazi instead of these snowflakes that call off their rallies because of some doggie doo-doo on the ground.

If trump goes it will have to be the repubs who do it. But he may not be aware of that. That kind of hate can fuck up a person's reasoning powers.

These clowns have been itching for a civil war, because there's nothing more patriotic than killing a bunch of your own countrymen when they complain about a foreign power fucking up an election.

Real Patriots want Vlad Putin's boy in the Oval Office.

[Mr. Ected]

12. We wouldn't erect any statues to these traitors if they tried it

That's for damn sure.

[Nevernose]

13. Those wimps don't have the guts for a civil war

If they had any kind of courage, they wouldn't be afraid of everything on earth and need Trump to protect them. As someone once said: "Only weak people need strong leaders." They brought their own private army to march with them in Charlottesville, shooting and attacking and killing people, and the whole time they were scared shitless of everyone else there (except the police, of course, who protected the Nazis with the guns because freedom! instead of the decent human beings who don't want the KKK marching around).

What these guys DO have the guts for is bombing daycare centers in federal buildings, or ganging up on gay people, or gathering in large crowds to lynch lone minorities.

[Initech]

49. Yup - they talk a good game all right!

And they love showing off their precious killing machines every chance they get. But when the time comes to stand up and fight - like we saw in Boston - they'll quietly retreat to their keyboards and wait for the next opportunity to show off their precious killing machines.

[mitch96]

14. Ok, humor me...How would this play out?

Trump gets impeached... He laughs... Congress and Senate votes to remove him from office..
He laughs (I'm surrounded by generals).. Who would enforce the physical removal?? If he is physically removed who would the right wing nuts shoot at?? If they came anywhere NEAR Washington they would be..... ahhh ..... "compromised" before they got any where near the place..
Yes??

m

[struggle4progress]

17. Baker, Stone, and seven of their most-ardent supporters will show up to their "Civil War Now" rally,

surrounded by a battalion of local police who are there to protect them against twenty thousand peaceful counter-demonstrators

[eShirl]

18. pfft.

[still_one]

20. That is a perfect example of bullshit

[titaniumsalute]

21. Jim Bakker...his audience is about 90 years old.

Fuck 'em. I'm ready to fight if I need too.

[Chasstev365]

23. I never said it would be real or sucessful; I just think saying it is a new scare tactic

[HeartachesNhangovers]

24. I'd be willing to take the chance.

[DinahMoeHum]

26. Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga booga. . .

[Iliyah]

30. Texas poker . . .

They have a pair of aces, we have two pairs.

[Generic Brad]

32. They wish

Those fools are a lot less influential than they would like to think.

[LovesPNW]

34. Civil war?

Or mass murder and mass arrest?

Impeachment is a lawful action ... Insurrection is not.

[Initech]

36. Threaten the opposition - great fascist tactic!

[haveahart]

37. Because losing once is not enough.

[Initech]

50. "Thank you sir may I have another?"

"Thank you sir may I have another?"



"Thank you sir may I have another?"

[RKP5637]

39. BFD! Not scared! Screw them! n/t

[pansypoo53219]

40. and they will lose again.

[GulfCoast66]

41. Civil war?

Using a hover-round, walker and oxygen tank? His voters are the fox demographic. They have a challenge wiping their asses.

[LibArts]

43. Forgive my being impolite but

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[Hortensis]

44. Oh, brother. Reminds me of a group plotting violent secession on C-SPAN,

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including a sitting US congressman. They agreed on the need to shoot down the police and soldiers who would try to stop their insurrection. After enjoying inhaling their own hot air on public TV at taxpayer expense, they arranged to meet again to continue their plotting and went off to dinner or whatever.

America, America.

Propagandists telling people they're miserable and oppressed isn't the same as people being miserable and oppressed.

In the real America, most are still grateful to be Americans and just want to be proud again. Even those who are too foolish to just look around and note the blessings that disprove most lies are still far too comfortable and satisfied to throw it all away. And of course, even most of those who see themselves as victims and constantly rail against "them" indulge their angry resentment from their own easy chairs.

[L. Coyote]

45. If an idiot like Roger Stone is saying it, you can dismiss it offhand immediately w/o more thought.

And, expect exactly the opposite to be the truth.

[FreepFryer]

61. Cuddly little ratfucker. (n/t)

[davsand]

46. I thought it was widely understood Jim Baker is batshit crazy.

He's really f***in' nuts crazy. Does anybody actually take him any more seriously than the honking of a goose? (at least you can eat a goose, so maybe I don't give geese enough respect with that comparison...)

I think there has been an attempt to inflame the other batshit crazies running around out there on the loose, but beyond terrorist (cowardly) style attacks I honestly wonder if some of that crew could organize a circle jerk at a boy's summer camp, let alone some kind of military action.

SMDH.


Laura

[joshcryer]

48. No it fucking won't.

[samnsara]

51. bring it on

[WinkyDink]

52. FTR: Jim Baker is not Jim Bakker.

[fleabiscuit]

55. It's not lowly nazi schmucks that start civil wars, it's wealthy schmucks. We're good.

[stevenleser]

57. Against President Pence? I'd have to stock up on the popcorn

Far right whackjobs revolting against a Republican President?

While a civil war is not something I would want, a Republican President ordering the military to shoot tens of thousands of the most whackjob far right wackjobs isn't a worst case scenario for me.

[judesedit]

58. And they'll lose again

[Bladewire]

59. GOP pulls this shit all the time bring it on!

They're all snowflakes in the end fuck them!

[FreepFryer]

60. LOL. Impeachment is a Constitutional remedy. Incitement and rebellion is treason. Keep it up GOP!

[Orrex]

62. Worth it.

[raven mad]

63. Scared? Nah.

Pissed off? DAMN RIGHT.

[Demsrule86]

64. No it won't...more bluster. And that is why we have jails.

[SecularMotion]

66. They sound scared

They're crazy, they make a big noise, and they're armed but they are vastly outnumbered.

[treestar]

67. Only threats on the internet

When it comes to the real thing, they are not brave enough.

[GoCubsGo]

69. Nope.

That is the spew of a very vocal minority. A few congresspeople might be intimidated, but enough won't.

[Orrex]

72. Every time they say something like this, it's extortion

"Nice country you have here. Shame if something wuz to happen to it."

If Trump needs to be impeached, then he needs to be impeached, and threats from his idiot racist fuckhead supporters have nothing to do with it.

[democratisphere]

77. Bring it on.

[LanternWaste]

86. No wars... not even civil ones. We're too lazy.

No it won't. Impeachment would lead to little more than red faces, "both sides do it" idiocy, tell-all, best-selling books, and angry rants on message boards.

Anything that removes us from complacency and convenience, anything that takes us out of our air conditioned homes and off our easy-payment, low-down butts, anything that takes us away from Netflix and gaming consoles is simply not going to happen.

No wars... not even civil ones. We're far too lazy, the weed is far too good, the beer too inexpensive, and the next high-tech phone variation comes out soon.





If you have objective evidence that directly points to a national civil conflict as a plausible and potential consequence to impeachment though, I'd love to read it; otherwise I read your premise as little more than just another creative, post-apocalyptic, dystopian fantasy that television networks shows run weekly.

[ElementaryPenguin]

87. If so, it's a Civil War the Trumpians are going to lose BIGLY!!!

Methinks Trumpy's going to go a lot quieter than people would expect - and his fans are largely bullshitting blowhards like he is! He ALWAYS surrenders! He claim's he doesn't settle - but he ALWAYS settles. Roger Stone really needs to be prosecuted - probably for a multitude of treasonous crimes!!

[no_hypocrisy]

88. False choice IMO.

Trump and his ilk are planning to institute a civil war no matter what happens, impeachment or not.

[Doug the Dem]

90. It's been Brewing for Decades, long before President Pumpkinhead

My wife and I both own guns. So if any wingnut is reading, do your worst, asshole!