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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:53 PM Aug 2017

Do you approve or disapprove of Democrats saying nice things about Trump ?


51 votes, 6 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Approve
3 (6%)
Disapprove
47 (92%)
Disapprove, except in the narrowest of circumstances, such as Democratic candidates in deep red states
1 (2%)
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Do you approve or disapprove of Democrats saying nice things about Trump ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 OP
what nice things could be said with a straight face about that human jackal? niyad Aug 2017 #1
Nice shoes, Asshole? Ohiya Aug 2017 #26
exactly Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #27
I praise his strengths all the time. He's the best con artist I've seen and can really work a room. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #78
What is up with Feinstein? Maybe it's time to yield her seat. brush Aug 2017 #102
that was my first thought, until I read the whole thing. niyad Aug 2017 #140
Sorry, but if we're going to have the blanket policy.... vi5 Aug 2017 #2
If something about him is worth saying something good about, then sure Orrex Aug 2017 #14
You made me literally guffaw. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #45
LOL Orrex Aug 2017 #46
A morbidly obese septuagenarian who doesn't eat or sleep well. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #48
No one said anything good about Trump. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #79
I can't truly answer sarisataka Aug 2017 #3
Disapprove. It's demoralizing at this point leftstreet Aug 2017 #4
As soon Soxfan58 Aug 2017 #5
Do we really want to be the party of no? dembotoz Aug 2017 #6
Exactly. The nation can't survive with 2 parties ruled by irrational partisanship and dishonesty Hortensis Aug 2017 #19
+1 applegrove Aug 2017 #70
He is the president of no. HubbleSN Aug 2017 #95
+ 1 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #135
This is a loaded set of questions defacto7 Aug 2017 #7
Saying nice things about him, rusty fender Aug 2017 #8
So agree! AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #128
But the Bible says, "Thou shalt not lie" world wide wally Aug 2017 #9
This thread is an extension of the slander on Dianne Feinstein (who did not praise Trump) Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #10
These attacks on my character are starting to become abusive. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #11
Stop with the personal attacks on Democratic leaders and on fellow members of DU. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #12
I am not attacking any Democrats including the denizens of our august board. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #13
Damn straight, DSB. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #50
My thoughts on all this DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #53
I know my Dylan- The fortune telling lady has already taken all her things inside Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #59
Positively 4th Street Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #87
Desolation Row. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #96
Most Likely You'll Go Your Way And I'll Go Mine Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #98
Ah, but it's such a wonderful lyric, isn't it? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #99
Truth told? One of my favorites. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #100
I'm more partial to the ones that were frequently covered by the Dead, I admit. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #126
I had the pleasure of turning Mr Garcia on to some very fine Hawaiian once when he and the JGB Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #129
Heh Heh Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #131
You have been all over this thread quoting the site rules at people who have been here a long time. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #86
Amen. Couldn't have said it better. brush Aug 2017 #104
I agree with your TOS statement... defacto7 Aug 2017 #15
Why is it so difficult to say there is nothing nice to say about Trump? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #16
There is nothing nice to say about Trump! defacto7 Aug 2017 #20
The best thing we have going for us is Trump's aberrant behavior. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #22
We shouldn't. She shouldn't. defacto7 Aug 2017 #23
His aberrant behavior inures to our benefit. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #24
I absolutely agree. defacto7 Aug 2017 #30
No, Trump's abberant behavior doesn't enure to our benefit, it hurt real people... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #31
The more aberrant his behavior the lower his numbers. That is great for us. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #34
+1,000!!! AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #123
The only attacks happening are from you threadstalking and unnecessarily alerting!!! HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #25
She is to the right of the electorate here. That is for sure. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #40
I suspect she'll retire after this term. The next Dem.Senator from CA will likely be more in tune Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #54
What is up with new posters warning us against DUers we have read and trusted for years? Squinch Aug 2017 #29
I think I know. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #66
Thank you. My favorite thing in the world is new posters wagging their fingers at octoberlib Aug 2017 #69
The TOS does not say that we cannot criticize Democrats when warranted. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #47
Comparing Dianne Feinstein to supporters of Adolf Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #49
Where did that happen, exactly? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #52
In Someone's imagination DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #58
Do toss us a link to that. Squinch Aug 2017 #67
Buehler? Squinch Aug 2017 #73
LOL DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #77
Of course! He is doing a great job publicizing the often-overlooked sport of golf! struggle4progress Aug 2017 #17
and he's wearing clothes! defacto7 Aug 2017 #21
Give credit where credit is due. djg21 Aug 2017 #18
Saying nice things abot Donald Trump(R) is normalizing a monster. There is nothing Squinch Aug 2017 #28
No one said nice things about Donald Trump. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #32
No, it isn't, and you need to stop running around saying that, and insulting the OP writer. Squinch Aug 2017 #33
It is a false charge against Dianne Feinstein Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #36
Give it up. Squinch Aug 2017 #38
I don't shrink from attacks on good Democrats. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #39
Does that mean you'll stop insulting DemSinceBirth. Squinch Aug 2017 #41
It is not. I implore you to stop impugning my character. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #82
I haven't impunged your character... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #84
I would literally rather die than to not speak truth to power. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #85
You personally insulted me and slandered Dianne Feinstein Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #107
I never insulted you or the senior senator from California. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #133
You need to back off on this. Feinstein committed a faux pas. We can criticize that. brush Aug 2017 #106
Sounds like a threat. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #108
Pls stop with the exaggeration. There was no threat, and Feinstein screwed up. brush Aug 2017 #109
We are not going to have a meeting of the minds here... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #112
Intimidation? You are new here and thin-skinned if you think that's intimidation. brush Aug 2017 #113
Graduate from your Jr High School tactics Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #115
Get real. You're the one attacking long-time members and you just got here. brush Aug 2017 #116
People who attack major Democratic figures with lies and twisted words Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #117
You don't quite get it. You're taking the TOS too strickly. Dem figures can be... brush Aug 2017 #118
First you tell me we don't march in lockstep conformity around here... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #119
You have the right to your opinion. No need to make rookie mistakes attacking long-time DUers though brush Aug 2017 #120
So I have "the right to my opinion" as long as I keep it to myself? LOL. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #122
Things are not going well for you in this thread! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #90
On the contrary. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #91
Nice try! n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #93
+1,000!!! AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #127
Class among the haters. Scoopster Aug 2017 #35
Remember when Hillary Clinton had nothing nice to say about Trump when asked to say something nice JonLP24 Aug 2017 #37
Barron and Tiffany seem okay. Maybe that is why Chump has all but disowned the latter. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #51
I could come up with nice things to say about Dubya. Dave Starsky Aug 2017 #42
I concur DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #44
Fighting AIDS in Africa n/t moonscape Aug 2017 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #43
At this point, no. liberalmuse Aug 2017 #55
This is what we are relegated to? HopeAgain Aug 2017 #56
" She didn't vote to repeal the ACA." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #60
Who said that was the bar? HopeAgain Aug 2017 #62
I don't see how anybody can normalize an abnormal person like Trump, much less a Democrat. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #64
No one did that. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #68
I did no such thing DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #71
Baaaaahahahahahahaha!!!! Squinch Aug 2017 #72
I will try to be as precise as possible. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #74
I get it, but my sick mind goes here: we know she said it, and it's a very odd thing for Squinch Aug 2017 #75
I have no problem with them saying anything that is TRUE TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #57
Exactly. What has he done to earn anything except condemnation? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #61
Is that a rhetorical question ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #81
We shouldn't become liars just to appease 45 -- absolutely nothing nice to say about him. ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #63
K&R. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2017 #65
If I were ever able to think of anything nice to say about Trump, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #76
They can say all the nice things they want if there was anything nice to say about that guy. Afromania Aug 2017 #80
Of course... Mike Nelson Aug 2017 #83
Thanks for this poll! Very telling. n/t USALiberal Aug 2017 #88
I really feel Option 3 is a logical and defensible choice. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #89
I chose Pass, for lack of a better option. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #92
No matter what we're supposed to hate ALL on the right. ileus Aug 2017 #94
Only if he's supporting progressive causes mvd Aug 2017 #97
Say nice things like what? democratisphere Aug 2017 #101
Disapprove. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #105
JUST TELL THE TRUTH! yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #110
Well, for Democrats it's Demned if they do, Demned if they don't. betsuni Aug 2017 #111
I vote for her, but not with the same joy I voted for Senator Harris. Starry Messenger Aug 2017 #114
If it's nice and it's true, then say it. qwlauren35 Aug 2017 #121
GACK. tavernier Aug 2017 #124
I am an ardent supporter of democrats but completely disagree with ANYONE who thinks AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #125
There is NOTHING MFM008 Aug 2017 #130
Fuck Trump. And nobody should be normalizing this crap. Nobody. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #132
What an odd poll. He hasn't done a thing worthy of having nice things said about him. Vinca Aug 2017 #134
There are already prominent Democrats saying nice things about him... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #136
Amazing. I haven't heard any of them yet and I can't imagine what they're praising. Vinca Aug 2017 #137
Google Diane Feinstein. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #138
Trying to get one more day out of your slander of a good Democrat? Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #141
Take it up with California Senate leader Kevin de Leon DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #142
I don't really "approve" per se Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #139

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
78. I praise his strengths all the time. He's the best con artist I've seen and can really work a room.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:24 PM
Aug 2017

.

He goes beyond a bullshitter, because all his actions are to extract money from one source or another.

.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
2. Sorry, but if we're going to have the blanket policy....
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:56 PM
Aug 2017

...that saying anything bad about a Dem is wrong and detrimental to our common causes, then the same theory holds true for saying good things about Trump.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
14. If something about him is worth saying something good about, then sure
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:36 PM
Aug 2017

I've been wracking my brain, and the nicest thing I can come up with "he's old and grossly overweight, so he'll probably be dead before long."

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
79. No one said anything good about Trump.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

This thread is a bogus attack on Dianne Feinstein, today's pick for bash-a-Democrat day.

sarisataka

(18,483 posts)
3. I can't truly answer
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:56 PM
Aug 2017

Until he does something nice.

There isn't anything nice to say about his actions at this time and any comments about future nice actions are simply fantasy.

leftstreet

(36,098 posts)
4. Disapprove. It's demoralizing at this point
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:58 PM
Aug 2017

In the first couple of months of his POTUScy, it was acceptable for the opposition to make hopeful statements and polite reminders, essentially cutting him some slack.

Not now.

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
6. Do we really want to be the party of no?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:02 PM
Aug 2017

Blast when he is stupid
Be nice when he is good

All truth and honesty...he is good so seldom not much will change

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
7. This is a loaded set of questions
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:08 PM
Aug 2017

considering the post about Feinstein.

As a clear logcal opinion without any baggage from other news my answer would be to disapprove for lack of evidence to approve of him for any reason, as well as the fact that it would be politically prudent for Democrats to be honest.

On the other hand, I will commmend him for wearing clothes.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
8. Saying nice things about him,
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:13 PM
Aug 2017

especially by prominent Democrats just contributes to his normalization. Not good

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
10. This thread is an extension of the slander on Dianne Feinstein (who did not praise Trump)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:18 PM
Aug 2017

started in an earlier thread.

Attacks on Democratic leaders, which this clearly is, is a violation of the TOS.

Don't fall for this fellow Democrats.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
11. These attacks on my character are starting to become abusive.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:28 PM
Aug 2017

But I will take the high road, be the better person, and not respond in kind.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
12. Stop with the personal attacks on Democratic leaders and on fellow members of DU.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:30 PM
Aug 2017

That's my suggestion to you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
13. I am not attacking any Democrats including the denizens of our august board.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:33 PM
Aug 2017

I have been supporting our august board with my money and posts for over fourteen years.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
59. I know my Dylan- The fortune telling lady has already taken all her things inside
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:21 PM
Aug 2017

Those of us making love, have better things to do.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
99. Ah, but it's such a wonderful lyric, isn't it?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:12 PM
Aug 2017

A lot going on in there, yes sir.


They're selling postcards of the hanging, they're painting the passports brown
The beauty parlor is filled with sailors, the circus is in town
Here comes the blind commissioner, they've got him in a trance
One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker, the other is in his pants
And the riot squad they're restless, they need somewhere to go
As Lady and I look out tonight, from Desolation Row

Cinderella, she seems so easy, "It takes one to know one, " she smiles
And puts her hands in her back pockets Bette Davis style
And in comes Romeo, he's moaning. "You Belong to Me I Believe"
And someone says, "You're in the wrong place, my friend, you'd better leave"
And the only sound that's left after the ambulances go
Is Cinderella sweeping up on Desolation Row

Now the moon is almost hidden, the stars are beginning to hide
The fortune telling lady has even taken all her things inside
All except for Cain and Abel and the hunchback of Notre Dame
Everybody is making love or else expecting rain
And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing, he's getting ready for the show
He's going to the carnival tonight on Desolation Row

Ophelia, she's 'neath the window for her I feel so afraid
On her twenty-second birthday she already is an old maid
To her, death is quite romantic she wears an iron vest
Her profession's her religion, her sin is her lifelessness
And though her eyes are fixed upon Noah's great rainbow
She spends her time peeking into Desolation Row

Einstein, disguised as Robin Hood with his memories in a trunk
Passed this way an hour ago with his friend, a jealous monk
Now he looked so immaculately frightful as he bummed a cigarette
And he when off sniffing drainpipes and reciting the alphabet
You would not think to look at him, but he was famous long ago
For playing the electric violin on Desolation Row

Dr. Filth, he keeps his world inside of a leather cup
But all his sexless patients, they're trying to blow it up
Now his nurse, some local loser, she's in charge of the cyanide hole
And she also keeps the cards that read, "Have Mercy on His Soul"
They all play on the penny whistles, you can hear them blow
If you lean your head out far enough from Desolation Row

Across the street they've nailed the curtains, they're getting ready for the feast
The Phantom of the Opera in a perfect image of a priest
They are spoon feeding Casanova to get him to feel more assured
Then they'll kill him with self-confidence after poisoning him with words
And the Phantom's shouting to skinny girls, "Get outta here if you don't know"
Casanova is just being punished for going to Desolation Row"

At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do
Then they bring them to the factory where the heart-attack machine
Is strapped across their shoulders and then the kerosene
Is brought down from the castles by insurance men who go
Check to see that nobody is escaping to Desolation Row

Praise be to Nero's Neptune, the Titanic sails at dawn
Everybody's shouting, "Which side are you on?!"
And Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot fighting in the captain's tower
While calypso singers laugh at them and fishermen hold flowers
Between the windows of the sea where lovely mermaids flow
And nobody has to think too much about Desolation Row

Yes, I received your letter yesterday, about the time the doorknob broke
When you asked me how I was doing, was that some kind of joke
All these people that you mention, yes, I know them, they're quite lame
I had to rearrange their faces and give them all another name
Right now, I can't read too good, don't send me no more letters no
Not unless you mail them from Desolation Row

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
126. I'm more partial to the ones that were frequently covered by the Dead, I admit.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:13 AM
Aug 2017

That's my entryway.

Desolation Row is probably in the top 5. Along with Memphis Blues, Again.. some of the clever jokes in the verses get me every damn time.

I think my all-time favorite is Chimes of Freedom, however.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
129. I had the pleasure of turning Mr Garcia on to some very fine Hawaiian once when he and the JGB
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:20 AM
Aug 2017

were in desperate need during a concert break backstage at the Keystone Berkeley back in the day.

Who'd believe they could be have been short handed in that department?



Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
131. Heh Heh
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:07 AM
Aug 2017

Nice. Some of those JGB Keystone performances are simply legendary.

So you may have had a hand in a timeless piece of music that's out there.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
86. You have been all over this thread quoting the site rules at people who have been here a long time.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:59 PM
Aug 2017

Misrepresenting them, in actuality. The fact of the matter is, we are allowed to criticize Democrats, here, when appropriate.

Senator Feinstein, while certainly a long-standing member of our party who has done many good things over the years, has demonstrated in various ways a degree of disconnect from where her constituents stand on major issues.

Witness her stance on legal cannabis, which is roundly supported by a majority of California voters.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/oldest-us-senators-accused-of-holding-biased-marijuana-hearing

In short, DiFi is not exempt from criticism any more than anyone else. When she makes a mistake, we're free to point it out. "Normalizing" Trump is, to many of our minds, a big mistake.


defacto7

(13,485 posts)
15. I agree with your TOS statement...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:40 PM
Aug 2017

But I admit she wasn't careful enough about her words to communicate her intention well. Mistakes are damaging unfortunately but Dems should defend Dems when they make errors in judgement less than .1% of the time. Compare that to Trumps 100% error history and Dems can't begin to compare the two.

I'm unhappy we've come to view everything so polarized that we hang our own over normal misstatements.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
16. Why is it so difficult to say there is nothing nice to say about Trump?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:46 PM
Aug 2017

What am I missing?

Trump is a sociopath. The only difference between Trump and a gangster like John Gotti is the latter wasn't born into an affluent family.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
20. There is nothing nice to say about Trump!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:57 PM
Aug 2017

I just think there's a timing issue that connects Finstein's guffaw with approving or disapproving of her, not him. I think she goofed up but I also think we have to support the fact that she doesn't goof up enough to not defend her when she tripped. That's unity.
Your question is good, it's just hard to separate it from the other news.
No, Dems have nothing good to say about Trump.
You're one of my fave posters.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
24. His aberrant behavior inures to our benefit.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:09 PM
Aug 2017

We need to keep exploiting the profound flaws in his character.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
30. I absolutely agree.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:27 PM
Aug 2017

In the same tone we must voraciously defend Dems when they make errors in judgement. Argue with them, ask for clarification, disagree with them, that's fine... but if their record deserves it, always defend them.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
31. No, Trump's abberant behavior doesn't enure to our benefit, it hurt real people...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:34 PM
Aug 2017

This isn't a game and I'm glad we have people of political maturity, like Dianne Feinstein, are in positions of leadership who take limiting the misery caused by this Administration.

Dianne Feinstein has been a great Democratic Senator for California (and the nation).

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
25. The only attacks happening are from you threadstalking and unnecessarily alerting!!!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:10 PM
Aug 2017

You're investing way too much on a proven Third Weigh DINO. You are NOT the arbiter of what gets said about politicians around here.

This is unbecoming behavior against a long-time poster. You need to end this vendetta. It's looking bad.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
40. She is to the right of the electorate here. That is for sure.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:43 PM
Aug 2017

I really don't think much about her. She can do her thing and escape my gaze as long as she doesn't say anything nice about Trump, even with all the qualifiers and caveats one's mind can muster.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. I suspect she'll retire after this term. The next Dem.Senator from CA will likely be more in tune
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:08 PM
Aug 2017

With the party on things like cannabis legalization, as Harris is.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
29. What is up with new posters warning us against DUers we have read and trusted for years?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:26 PM
Aug 2017

It's kind of creepy.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
69. Thank you. My favorite thing in the world is new posters wagging their fingers at
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 04:52 PM
Aug 2017

long-time DU'ers explaining to them how this board works. And following them from thread to thread.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
49. Comparing Dianne Feinstein to supporters of Adolf Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:03 PM
Aug 2017

for her urging Trump to change, is beyond the pale.

struggle4progress

(118,224 posts)
17. Of course! He is doing a great job publicizing the often-overlooked sport of golf!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:47 PM
Aug 2017

And he is showing us many previously-unimagined business opportunities available to the president!

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
18. Give credit where credit is due.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:47 PM
Aug 2017

There is not much credit to be given thus far, so it’s an academic point. The only thing Trump has done that I agree with is stay out of Houston on Tuesday,.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
28. Saying nice things abot Donald Trump(R) is normalizing a monster. There is nothing
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:24 PM
Aug 2017

positive about him. Really. Nothing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
82. It is not. I implore you to stop impugning my character.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:49 PM
Aug 2017
A good name is better than fine perfume.

-Ecclesiastes 7:1
 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
84. I haven't impunged your character...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:54 PM
Aug 2017

And it is pretty rich that you complain after making person attacks on me and sitting US Democratic Senator.

Your character issues are of your own making.

Stop this.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
85. I would literally rather die than to not speak truth to power.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:58 PM
Aug 2017
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Emiliano Zapata




And I haven't personally insulted anybody.
 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
108. Sounds like a threat.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:45 PM
Aug 2017

Attacks on a Democrat with the record of Sen Feinstein for a remark that that's been twisted beyond recognizable truth are what ought to stop.

It is grotesque.

brush

(53,741 posts)
109. Pls stop with the exaggeration. There was no threat, and Feinstein screwed up.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:48 PM
Aug 2017

You're about the only on the board who can't seem to see that.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
112. We are not going to have a meeting of the minds here...
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:11 AM
Aug 2017

and intimidation tactic don't work with me.

See ya!

brush

(53,741 posts)
116. Get real. You're the one attacking long-time members and you just got here.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:28 AM
Aug 2017

Not a good way to make friends.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
117. People who attack major Democratic figures with lies and twisted words
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:31 AM
Aug 2017

deserve criticism on a forum designed to support Democrats. Got it?

Better a real enemy than a false friend.

brush

(53,741 posts)
118. You don't quite get it. You're taking the TOS too strickly. Dem figures can be...
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:42 AM
Aug 2017

constructively critiqued here.

It's a discussion board.

We share our opinions which are sometimes not the same as we're not lockstep repugs.

Have you not noticed you're in the distinct minority on Feinstein's faux pas?

No need to respond. I'm done.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
119. First you tell me we don't march in lockstep conformity around here...
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:49 AM
Aug 2017

Then you tell me to shut up because I'm in the minority (for supporting Democrats) around here.

And you say it without any sence of irony.

Thank goodness you're done.

Good grief.

brush

(53,741 posts)
120. You have the right to your opinion. No need to make rookie mistakes attacking long-time DUers though
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:50 AM
Aug 2017
 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
91. On the contrary.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:59 PM
Aug 2017

To me it makes things very clear as to who supports Democrats and those who don't.

I support our fine Senator Dianne Feinstein who in my opinion has been smeared today on Democratic Underground.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
35. Class among the haters.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:38 PM
Aug 2017

I have no problem with anyone choosing to take the high road, as long as it puts things in context. Nor do I have any problem with the other roads.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
37. Remember when Hillary Clinton had nothing nice to say about Trump when asked to say something nice
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:40 PM
Aug 2017

I think she gave his family a compliment which was too much since they are as bad as him.

I can see why.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
42. I could come up with nice things to say about Dubya.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:44 PM
Aug 2017

As much as I disliked him as a President and still resent him for the mess his administration got this country into.

1) His kids turned out okay. His daughters seem like genuinely nice and capable people. Maybe that was more their mother's influence, but he couldn't have been too bad a father.

2) His paintings are actually pretty decent. He really shows some talent there, and it says something about him that it is an art that he wanted to learn.

3) He's been going around visiting wounded veterans and painting their portraits. Maybe he feels guilty about his involvement in their plight. Well, if that's true, at least he feels that emotion.

4) His first words when standing after hearing Trump's inaugural address were reportedly, "Well, that was some crazy shit." In that moment, he uttered out loud exactly what I was thinking. So he and I must agree on some things.

I absolutely cannot think of one, not ONE, good thing to say about Donald Trump, in the same way that I cannot think of a single good thing to say about colorectal cancer. I submit that anyone who does say anything good about him is lying.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
44. I concur
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:49 PM
Aug 2017
3) He's been going around visiting wounded veterans and painting their portraits. Maybe he feels guilty about his involvement in their plight. Well, if that's true, at least he feels that emotion.



One time he was visiting some wounded soldiers and a mother lit into him and said it was his fault her son was wounded. He just took it. His aide asked him why. Bush said she ie entitled to her feelings. Compare that to Trump's attacks on the Khans.



1) His kids turned out okay. His daughters seem like genuinely nice and capable people. Maybe that was more their mother's influence, but he couldn't have been too bad a father.



His kids are great, wholly formed people. Compare them to Ivanka, Junior. and Eric.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

liberalmuse

(18,671 posts)
55. At this point, no.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:09 PM
Aug 2017

Saying nice things about Trump? There is nothing nice to say about him. He's just pardoned a racist POS sheriff and banned the transgender community from serving in the military. He is one of the grossest examples of humanity I've seen in my lifetime. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
56. This is what we are relegated to?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:09 PM
Aug 2017

Hyper-focusing on every word made by one of the Democratic Party's great women leaders? So what does it matter? She didn't vote to repeal the ACA, for god's sake. She didn't defend Trump either for that matter. Maybe she still believes in civility regardless of what an outlier that makes her.

"The sky is falling, sky is falling!"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
60. " She didn't vote to repeal the ACA."
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:32 PM
Aug 2017

That's the bar. Neither did Susan Collins, Lisa Murkokski, and John McCain.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
64. I don't see how anybody can normalize an abnormal person like Trump, much less a Democrat.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:40 PM
Aug 2017

I wonder if she checked with Hillary who he called "Crooked Hillary", checked with Chuck Schumer, who he called "Crying Chuck Schumer" checked with Elizabeth Warren who he called "Pocahontas" or checked with Barack Obama who he called "stupid".


Saying Trump can become a good president is akin to saying John Wayne Gacy could have become a good scout leader.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
68. No one did that.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 04:46 PM
Aug 2017

And certainly not Dianne Feinstein. You are perpetuating false attack lines on a great Democratic leader.

Why?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
71. I did no such thing
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 05:52 PM
Aug 2017
You are perpetuating false attack lines on a great Democratic leader.

-Expecting Rain




I did no such thing. As a fourteen year member of this august board who helps sustain it with his voice and money I ask that you stop impugning my character.


Squinch

(50,911 posts)
72. Baaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:08 PM
Aug 2017
"Saying Trump can become a good president is akin to saying John Wayne Gacy could have become a good scout leader."


I am going to HAVE to steal that!!!!!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
74. I will try to be as precise as possible.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:13 PM
Aug 2017

I don't care who a person is, if that person praises Trump, even with all the caveats and qualifers the mind can muster, that person is going to raise my ire.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
75. I get it, but my sick mind goes here: we know she said it, and it's a very odd thing for
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

her to have said.

Could it be a really Machiavellian plan and she is just saying it to turn trump(R)'s base against him? If Feinstein likes him, you know trump(R)'s base is going to run screaming...

I'm probably overthinking it.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
80. They can say all the nice things they want if there was anything nice to say about that guy.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

Since there is nothing nice about that guy. Anything "nice" a Democrat, or anybody else for that matter, says about turnip is a a bold face lie that serves no purpose other than pandering to turnip voters.

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
83. Of course...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:53 PM
Aug 2017

...it's nice that he hasn't shot anyone on 5th avenue. I like how honest he appears about his belief in white supremacy - most politicians hide that... I'm happy he doesn't sing at ballgames. Happy for dogs he doesn't adopt. I doubt he'll go to jail, but it would be nice to hear he's doing everyone's laundry someday - that would be good character building!

Caliman73

(11,725 posts)
92. I chose Pass, for lack of a better option.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:03 PM
Aug 2017

I try, hard to be driven by evidence. If someone does something good, then they can be complemented on the positive action. Stalin was a horrible, horrible person, absolutely horrible. Without his resolve however, WW2 would have turned out much differently than it did. Again, that is not to say that Stalin is great, or a good leader, or anything. It is saying that he had resolve to fight on which helped to defeat the Nazis.

If Trump ever does anything that actually benefits humanity, then that would require honest assessment. That doesn't mean that he still isn't the shittiest president in modern history and a horrific human being. It just means that he did something positive.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
105. Disapprove.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:35 PM
Aug 2017

And this has nothing to do with Diane Fienstein.

A. There is nothing good to say about him, at all
B. If a dem says something good about him, it makes us look pathetic and weak.
C. It is demoralizing if a dem says something good about him. It undermines our position.
D. He is a raging fucking asshole. Any dem who says otherwise basically betrays our party.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
114. I vote for her, but not with the same joy I voted for Senator Harris.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:16 AM
Aug 2017

I hope her eventual successor will be more progressive.

qwlauren35

(6,145 posts)
121. If it's nice and it's true, then say it.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:53 AM
Aug 2017

Stretching it here... he is probably a good provider to his wife and son.

Who knows, maybe he has a nice golf swing.

He has the ability to type. Those Tweets couldn't have been generated by anyone else.

He has the ability and common sense to appeal to his base.

Frankly, that's all I could think of, but, barring Jeffrey Dahmer, I really try to see good in people.

Many years ago, there was a really vile, creepy, misanthropic boy in our neighborhood who terrorized all the little kids something fierce. He committed suicide. And all of a sudden, we remembered that he loved his little sister. And that she was probably feeling his loss. I have always remembered that; I carry it around with me. And as a result, I truly believe that if you scrape away the ugly deep enough, you find good in everyone.

Three Republican Senators blocked the repeal of the Affordable Care Act. So no, I don't hate all Republicans. Some of them are truly capable of doing good for the American people.

Trump is doing an absolutely SHITTY job as president. In fact, I truly think that he's a horrible excuse for a human being. But if, in some insane moment, he was nice to a child, not for a photo op, but because he found it within himself to connect with another human being, I would recognize it and applaud it.

tavernier

(12,368 posts)
124. GACK.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:06 AM
Aug 2017

That's the sound that comes from my throat when I see or hear or think of him. It is usually accompanied with a lot of mucous and spittle and a general palsy like constriction of all of my facial muscles.

Ok, so that's the nice things. Shall I go into the negative reactions?

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
125. I am an ardent supporter of democrats but completely disagree with ANYONE who thinks
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:13 AM
Aug 2017

We should gloss over his insanity. TRUMP is ALL about lies, rhetoric, & propaganda. 24/7 He freaking supports kkk, neo nazis, & white supremacists for crying out loud!

The LAST thing we, or anyone else, for that matter, needs to do is sugarcoat this psychopath. There is NOTHING good about this monster. He is disgusting and vile and calling him anything but that is a slap in the face to human decency.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
130. There is NOTHING
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:33 AM
Aug 2017

you could say nice about this maggot.
He has no redeeming quality.
No looks. No talent. No personality.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
136. There are already prominent Democrats saying nice things about him...
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 08:53 AM
Aug 2017

There are already prominent Democrats saying nice things about him, albeit with caveats. That is why I started my poll.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
141. Trying to get one more day out of your slander of a good Democrat?
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:54 PM
Aug 2017

At least you let the mask slip as to what this thread is really about, instead of being coy.

I don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website, much.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,392 posts)
139. I don't really "approve" per se
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:09 PM
Aug 2017

but I get that politicians, esp. Democrats, try to be "polite" to their opponents, a courtesy that is often not extended by those on the other side.

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