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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust heard the best description of Trump from a disenchanted supporter:
"He sold us a Cadillac Escalade, but it turned out to be a pickup truck with a gun rack, and the parts are falling off as it drives down the road."
C_U_L8R
(44,990 posts)But all we got was his chicken shit.
Glorfindel
(9,719 posts)Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)Love it...
My granddad, born in 1901, used to say "Son you can't polish a turd, and you can't turn chicken salad out of chicken shit"
NCjack
(10,279 posts)in chicken salad because you don't put chicken shit in chicken salad."
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Don't think about what we SEE...think about what we DON'T see. All of the staffers' reports of him yelling, throwing tantrums, walking around in a psychotic Captain Queeg cloud of rage, depression and paranoia.
Today's word on the street is that Mad Dog is chewing through his leash, and it's pissing Trump off, but he knows he can't fire him because no one else who is remotely qualified would even consider the job.
Sad!
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)The extra special kind from the movie The Help. And put 2 scoops of ice cream on it
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Squinch
(50,918 posts)of racism, sexism, cruelty, incompetence and ignorance. All of it was on full display every time he opened his mouth.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)BAM!
Squinch
(50,918 posts)a peachy guy are actually seeing what their bigotry looks like when it's let out in the open, and they're embarrassed.
Not to say that they'll stop being racists and sexists, it's just they don't want others to know they are, and they know their vote for trump(R) associates them publicly with their racism and sexism.
And I don't think it's most trump(R) voters. I think most of them are reveling in the overt sexism and racism. But some of them like what trump(R) had to say but know that it isn't acceptable in a civilized society.
Very good analysis. They still agree with what he says, but they now realize why it was never discussed in polite conversation.
Squinch
(50,918 posts)so impressed by a complete imbecile and wondering what that means about them.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)Based on a life time of brain washing and negative propaganda...
And, they were in such a hurry to do so.
THEY.FORGOT.TO.LOOK.AT.THE.NATURE.OF.THE.ALTERNATIVE!
Squinch
(50,918 posts)scandals that they have tried for 30 years to attach to Hillary. The litmus test to whether you believed the scandals was whether you WANTED to believe them. It had nothing to do with proof, because there never WAS any proof that she was guilty of anything they accused her of.
My opinion is that most of those who wanted to believe the lies about her were people who see successful women as an existential threat. The scandals were just a smokescreen for that.
Just like a vote FOR trump(R), a vote against Hillary in this general was just another side of the same coin of sexism and racism and overall turdishness.
NOTE: I am a big fan of hers, but I would feel very differently about those who voted against her in the general if her opponent had even a single decent bone in his body. If that had been the case, there would have been something to point to to explain WHY someone would vote against her. In the general election we just had, there was nothing to explain it besides bigotry.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)Very good... Mind if I use that?
YES!
Bigotry has kept them in blinders and wantaseeism.
Actually, I will freely admit, through the primary campaign and general election debates, my admiration for and trust in Hillary grew substantially. It's literally criminal that she was denied the office.
Squinch
(50,918 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)I've been an adult for HRC's entire political prominence. Everything that she has done and everything that she is is truly impressive, from fighting for children to presidential candidate. I thought that con snowflakes were too touchy about "baking cookies" (which is something I would say). So many of the idiots who voted for the orange atrocity have children or grandchildren covered by health insurance that Hilary got for them. She did her damnedest to get something for the rest of us, too, and got slammed in the face repeatedly for it.
I hated hearing all the vicious propaganda the rethugs threw at her and everyone else who doesn't have their favor. If they had solid policies that would benefit people, they wouldn't have to lie and defame good candidates.
lark
(23,065 posts)to complete the hate-filled pie.
unblock
(52,126 posts)Donnie's "controversial" and while he may say "outsider" things, washington needs change and the other candidate is a crook who can't be trusted with classified information.
They didn't make it clear that it was a choice between a responsible, level-headed, experienced, hard-working, intelligent, empathetic leader vs. and an incompetent, racist, sexist, bigoted, malignant narcissistic con man beholden to russia.
Yes, much of this was there for those who paid enough attention, but what the public needed to know was not the impression they got.
icymist
(15,888 posts)What part of 'Go ahead and knock the crap out of them, I'll bail you out' they were disagreeing with?
unblock
(52,126 posts)they killed dean's candidacy for holding the mic too close when he cheered on his team.
they destroyed gore's candidacy for sighing.
they routinely kill democratic careers over really minor crap.
then donnie comes out and says one thing after another, any of which would have killed anyone else's career, and the media gives him the howard stern treatment. "wow, it's amazing what he says, can't wait to hear what he'll say next! stay tuned!"
we saw how horribly that worked out for howard stern's career. gee, he's only worth about $600 million, poor thing.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)Can't exactly use the old, "He took me by surprise." argument. Can they?
Squinch
(50,918 posts)opened his mouth, it was perfectly clear who he was and what he represented.
I don't give any of these rueful voters a pass because of the terrible job the media did. You saw it and I saw it and so did they. They only difference is that you and I are not racists and sexists.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,148 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Hillary tried to warn the idiots, but they piled hate on her.
JI7
(89,241 posts)and i will never let them forget it.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)RiverStone
(7,228 posts)Dumpster fire and brought in this disaster of a regime.
No excuses.
misanthrope
(7,411 posts)There was nothing hidden.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)and he doesn't know how to drive.
That's what they bought.
icymist
(15,888 posts)They own it.
rurallib
(62,387 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)Apparently edited reality TV.
Squinch
(50,918 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And for those who didn't see it, or didn't want to see it, there were millions of people telling them what they were looking at. But it pissed off the liberals, so Dummy McDumbass voted for Trump, and now he's very sorry.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I don't know how I'm going to manage keeping my disgust to myself around trumpanzee colleagues. (Thankfully not too many of them are on that boat.)
This country can't stop being sick until what you say is admitted.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)and it's fine if they realize their terrible error and do something to fix it.
Either way, they own it.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)His supporters are fools and suckers. And most of them have such false pride that they can't admit that they were taken in.
I don't have a shred of sympathy or empathy for any of them.
We have a child like, narcissistic reality TV star as our president. What could have gone wrong?
MontanaMama
(23,296 posts)It was right in front of them and they didn't WANT to see it.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Anyone who couldn't see what a phony he was and is just doesn't have much call to complain. If you are that stupid and gullible you need to stay home on election day and do everyone else a favor.
Squinch
(50,918 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,861 posts)Dumber than dirt and poor at everything!
And, even worse, a dickhead
struggle4progress
(118,236 posts)Hugin
(33,059 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Imo, that Escalade was made up of things like the repeal of the ACA, mass deportations and the border wall. That's what his supporters expected and didn't get right off the bat.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)and still nothing.
I fear that is their real complaint.
JHB
(37,157 posts)...and Mr. Disenchanted just discovered that he is one of the THOSE (undeservedly, unlike, y'know, those THOSE people, the "real ones" ).
He was a pile of horseshit, he looked like a pile of horseshit, he sounded like a pile of horseshit, he smelled like a pile of horseshit. The majority of voters were able to tell he was a pile of horseshit. But Mr. Disenchanted and friends wanted a pile of chocolate so bad they dug right in and went back for more helpings. Repeatedly.
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn if you've finally noticed what he tastes like.
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The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)than they already are.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)because he promised you some truffle fries and a large Coke with it. Everyone else recognized it it as a shit sandwich, except for you suckers--and 34% of his GOP fan club (according to the latest Pew poll) bought what he was selling, because they love shit sandwiches, anyway.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)He sold them bigotry, and they got what they voted for. It's not working out for them the way they thought it would, so now they're lying.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)LittleGirl
(8,280 posts)being a city boy, does he even drive anymore? I wouldn't want to be in the vehicle with him driving, that's for sure.
ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)Anyone who supported him then but claims not to now can quite simply go fuck themselves. There was no bait and switch here. Candidate Trump and President Trump are joined at the motherfucking hip. If you voted for this guy, you own him. You own his shit, lock, stock and barrel.
No givesies backsies. All sales are final.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....they wound up with Don Rickles."
Hulk Smash II
(11 posts)Fuckin Russia and complicit American media.
riversedge
(70,090 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)Lots of disgruntled Trump voters who think they've been sold a bill of goods. My quote is from memory, might be off by a word or two.
LAS14
(13,769 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,136 posts)you knew it was going to be unreliable and fall apart when you bought it but you did it anyway because it was soooooo shiny!
Different Drummer
(7,606 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)UP!'"
SO #*%#* THIS "DISENCHANTED SUPPORTER."
Downtown Hound
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He promised us a Cadilac Escalade which just happened to have a bunch of covered up Nazi and KKK bumper stickers and belched smog everywhere it went but I chose to be a dumb ass and ignore what was obvious to just about everybody else on the planet and pretend that it was worth buying and now I'm going to blame everyone else for my stupidity.
Javaman
(62,504 posts)what you think you got, still runs, badly, but runs.
you don't even have that.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)He is a grifter and a swindler and anyone who was paying attention knew it. My fear is that his corruption is so vast and so deep that no one will ever pay attention to regular corruption after he is gone.
DFW
(54,302 posts)His voters were sold a version of America that was universally white, universally prosperous, and Muslim-free (except for waiters and janitors).
Now, many of them see they see that they were all taken for fools, but not one of them WANTS to admit openly that they were taken for fools. They are all in their internet chat rooms (when not bashing us on ours) patting themselves on the back, saying "how great he is," and "how lucky we are," just WAITING for the first one of them to say, "hey, we were all duped, and he's a total fraud!"
When the first prominent Trumpador says that openly, they will bite and claw at each other to join that bandwagon. "Who? Me? I was just voting against Hillary. I never fell for Trump's phony routine for a second!" Suuuuuuuuuuure you didn't. And McDonald's milkshakes were better for you back when they had higher contents of plastic beads and sawdust.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Of course you heard this.
I'm almost certain of your sincerity.
deek
(3,414 posts).
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I'm sharing and will credit.
calimary
(81,125 posts)REMARKABLE quote - from a disenchanted supporter. And frankly, I don't know what the immediate go-to is, regarding how one reacts to this. Disappointment? Outrage? Pity?
Part of me wants to shake people like this and roar into their faces - "WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???????!!!?!?!?!?" Just how badly (or bigly) did you allow yourself to be conned? Not just WHY did you buy this, but HOW could you buy this? How could you not see this was a big fat con that was being pulled on you?
And then there's the part of me that thinks maybe the thing to do is try to go easy on some of these folks and TRY, anyway, to lead this horse to water and help him or her take the life-saving drink of fresh, pure, life-saving water. Except they WANTED to head straight for almost certain death by dehydration! And they were just sure it'd work out well, anyway, 'cause this guy sold it so well - it'll be easy, it'll be done in a day, there's gonna be so much winning, you're gonna get tired of winning...
I met one of these yesterday. A fellow who repaired something for me. When I drove out to pick it up and pay him, we got into conversation - inevitably, about current events. You should have seen his posture. His body language told all - even more than the words falling from his lips did. He'd voted for trump. And he was standing there, in much the same posture that John Kelly had, backstage, while grimacing through trump's fire 'n' brimstone about Charlottesville, the day he really dug himself down into the depths of the neo-Nazi apologist sewer. Slightly hunched over, eyes cast down toward the ground, a slumping defensive posture where you're literally protecting your soft underbelly. He was shaking his head. His voice sounding defeated and discouraged and disillusioned, but not quite ready to admit the fault was half his own for allowing himself to fall for the sales pitch. And it started. "I voted for trump, I don't know... I have a friend in New York who knew him and he was this very successful businessman who was gonna turn this around... "
Shit - I kept thinking "where do I start with the debunking job here?" Because I can't NOT feel that it's at least partially the fault of THESE VOTERS who allowed themselves to be conned. Who grasped at straws, thinking those straws were really life preservers. I'm sorry. WE all heard the same baloney. WE all heard the same sales pitches and sloganeering and cheap-ass easy-street slicky-boy talk. And WE weren't fooled. WE weren't taken in by a single syllable of it. WE had our heads screwed on securely and didn't let them float up into the clouds so it's not possible to see, with any clear vision, the pie-in-the-sky land that was being embroidered by this world-class phony-ass snake-oil salesman.
I listened. Tried as gently and subtly as possible to suggest that it was all a con - that this guy is in NO WAY ON EARTH fit to be anywhere near the White House, much less installed inside there. But I found myself mostly listening as this guy was finally trying to grope his way through the fog to that life-saving water to which we in the real world tried in vain to lead voters like him, last year. Tried very hard not to punish or sneer, or tell him what I really thought. Tried just to listen. The only message I tried to use to get through to this gent was "you CAN'T RUN GOVERNMENT LIKE A BUSINESS! You just CAN'T! They're TWO SEPARATE THINGS! They're NOT THE SAME!!! They DON'T have the same goals, they DON'T have the same objectives, and they DON'T have the same reason for being! Business is there TO MAKE A PROFIT. And ONLY to make a profit. Government is NOT there to make a profit!!!!! Government is there to serve the needs of the people, and take responsibility for managing and serving the greater good. Making a profit just doesn't figure in there. It's certainly not in the Constitution anywhere.