Enough is Enough,,,,,,,,

[Cryptoad]

No Federal $ should be spent on any homes that remains n the Flood Plain unless elevated above the Flood plain.

No New Building Permits should be allow for houses that r in the Flood Plain unless the houses are to be elevated above the Flood Plain.

No Utilities should be turned on for any houses in the Flood Plain

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. That whole region is a flood plain. They built on it anyway.

[Cryptoad]

18. They have no regulations in TX

which is ok with me but I dont think my tax dollars should be spent to rebuild a house in flood plain,,,,,, !

[MyOwnPeace]

51. I'm with you on that!

Here in PA (Pittsburgh area) we've got some areas that are nailed annually (spring thaw).
We see the owners on TV - "We've lived here forever - we can't leave now!"
It's been in a flood area FOREVER!!!!!
How long should the gov't, insurance, whomever, continue to pay for a bad choice?

Come on, someone with guts needs to step up and and say, "Enough is enough!"

(DISCLAIMER: I know that there are government representatives (congressmen) out there that will not have the "guts" to do their job!).

[HAB911]

63. +++++++++++

[VigilantG]

2. As long as our current government denies climate change I don't see that happening

[Coventina]

3. And who is going to pay for the literally MILLIONS of people displaced by such a policy?

Asking for a friend....

[Cryptoad]

19. So u are saying

they should always live in swamp?

[Coventina]

33. I'm saying that MILLIONS of Americans live in flood plains.

Who is going to undertake the cost of moving them?

You're talking about abolishing the cities of Houston, New Orleans, most of Florida, most of the Gulf Coast, huge swathes of the heartland along our rivers, etc.

Where are those millions of people going to go? How are they going to get homes, jobs?

[elehhhhna]

52. Something like half the homes in California are built in fire prone areas

[miyazaki]

54. Ya and their taxing us extra for it too.

-that is, if you live in what has been deemed a fire prone area.

[Control-Z]

74. Half the homes?

I haven't heard that estimate. Is that true or just a guess?

[elehhhhna]

75. 45 %

[Control-Z]

78. Wow!

I had no idea. I guess I live in my own bubble, of sorts, when it comes to certain things.

Thanks!

[LuckyCharms]

4. Say this after your home is flooded.

The majority of the country is in a "flood plain". Whether you get flooded all depends on the magnitude of the flood.

[Cryptoad]

21. You are not allowed to build in

flood plains here.... but i dont care where u build ur house, but if u are going to want my tax dollars to rebuild after a flood , it should not be rebuilt in flood plain

[LuckyCharms]

57. Define "flood plain". n/t

[katmondoo]

5. There are no regulations for home building, for chemical plants, for work safety, for sprinkler

systems, almost everything is de-regulated in Texas. Cities cannot regulate anything by themselves, they have to comply with the State. You can build a chemical plant in a populated area next to homes with no problem. Scary place to live.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Had the

opportunity to relocate to Houston in the early seventies. Spouse and I spent a week doing the House Hunting thingee. Local building codes and ordinances were at that time,pretty much non existent. When building codes called for Hot Water Heaters allowed in Attics,just what could possible go wrong with that one. Needless to say,that opportunity was not going to happen. Remember this was 1972,and understand things have gone down hill since.

[3catwoman3]

34. Freedumb, doncha...

...know!!!

[hunter]

6. How about three strikes?

Restore or relocate first strike, relocate second strike, nothing third strike, you're out.

[iamateacher]

7. Trump got rid of regulations

That required cities to rebuild smarter after storms two weeks ago....

[Cryptoad]

23. There are houses in Houston

that have been rebuilt more than 10 times in the same place in the same flood plain using same Gubermint money......

Dont mingd paying taxes and I dont mind helping people but giving them money to rebuild in same swamp , aint helping nobody

[workinclasszero]

8. Better clear out Tornado Alley then as well

And the entire west coast earth quake zone areas and...etc.

[Coventina]

9. Don't forget droughts and heat waves! n/t

[workinclasszero]

10. Right

Damn it appears there is no safe place to live on this planet!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. And blizzards.

Where I am we don't get earthquakes; we do get occasional tornadoes and short-lived flash-flooding in some low-lying areas, but we do sometimes get some nasty blizzards. There have been a few where nobody could go anywhere for days. Do I have to move, too?

[Drahthaardogs]

32. Nope. But if you put a 25 lbs roof on a place that.gets 120 inches

Of snow a year, I shouldn't have to replace your roof and your belongings when they go et destroyed from the snow load.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. I wouldn't be allowed to do that here. We have building codes.

[Drahthaardogs]

39. And THAT is her point

Why is everyone missing that?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

45. I do get the point. But people shouldn't be punished because

a bunch of dickwads in the TX legislature won't allow cities to set their own building codes. That's MY point.

[Drahthaardogs]

46. Yes they should because they vote them in there.

See how that works?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

47. What if you didn't vote for them?

[Drahthaardogs]

48. I didn't vote for Trump but I still suffer.

Elections have consequences. Why do we keep saving these people from themselves. Texas should be blue anyway as should a lot of red States but people don't vote.

As long as you are going to save people from their own choices they will keep making bad ones.

[LisaM]

38. And tsunamis

My SO has been spending some time on the Washington coast, and now he's convinced it's not if, but when, a tsunami hits.

[Coventina]

40. Yep. A tsunami will happen, the earth is a dangerous place.

But, you know, screw anyone who suffers from a natural disaster.

THEY HAD IT COMING!!!!

[Drahthaardogs]

28. Actually, I lived in Alaska and code does require eathquake

As well as article engineering - but thanks for playing.

[Coventina]

42. Seattle has to be shut down as well.

It is in a seismic area, frequent earthquakes and nearby active volcanoes.

A death trap!!!

[KatyMan]

11. You need to share where you live

so that when unimaginable disaster strikes we can make fun of you too.

[bluepen]

59. The OP is just trolling.

Notice how many times in this thread they refused to answer that question (and others).

[LanternWaste]

13. All hazard-prone areas or are we arbitrarily limiting it to flooding

All hazard-prone areas or are we arbitrarily limiting it to flooding, discounting drought, earthquake, volcanoes and landslides?

If the latter, what is the precise and relevant difference between flooding and the other natural hazards?

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. And no welfare for anyone who can work, either nt

[AngryAmish]

20. And test them all for drugs, even aspirin.

[Drahthaardogs]

30. Completely different

Most places have engineering and environmental codes to help prevent some issues. Texas purposely deregulate s everything.

As tax payers we have a right to demand they adhere to federal standards if they want our money

[Dreamer Tatum]

49. Zoning has fuck all to do with this

Zoning has to do with what gets built next to what. Zoning does nothing for 50 inches of rain.

Trying to remember even a whiff of this when Katrina hit. Drawing a blank. Wonder what's different this time...hmmm....

[Drahthaardogs]

50. And......You're wrong

The swamps and wetlands that would have helped drain away the water have been paved over. Most city plans limit the amount of impervious cover you can have to prevent or lessen flood damage.


Same shit happened in Katrina. They put the marshes backb down there.

[Dreamer Tatum]

53. swamps and wetlands?

I think maybe you should visit Houston someday before you talk.

[Drahthaardogs]

58. Been there plenty. What I am saying is common knowledge

Read it

[Drahthaardogs]

67. Houston was built on a swamp/marsh

https://www.google.com/amp/www.houstonchronicle.com/local/explainer/amp/The-trouble-with-living-in-a-swamp-Houston-7954514.php

[Amishman]

15. You do realize this is more than 10% of the US population right?

Let's just forcibly relocate everyone to colonies on the moon while we are at it. It's just about as infeasible to do and just about as severe of an infringement on people's rights.

This would cover over a third of New York City, more if you extend the standard to cover 500 or 1000 year flood events like Harvey

[Cryptoad]

24. you seem not to understand

that a 500 yr event does not mean it only happens every 500 years..... this is not the first time Houston has been flooded. and they keep rebuilding in the same old flood plain with same ole Gubermint money.....if u want to live in swamp , fine , but not on my dime

[Drahthaardogs]

35. Forget it.

Your argument us salient and correct. People are emotional and just try to out bleeding heart everyone.

Texas building code us ridiculous and set up to help big business avoid proper health and safety as well as engineering.

We should not have to rebuild to substandard regulations. They should have to meet industry standards if they use federal dollars

[Amishman]

66. That's pretty libertarian of you

How do you feel about other public assistance programs?

[bluepen]

16. Ridiculous. Others have already pointed out why.

[Cryptoad]

25. NObody

has giving me a good reason why tax dollars should be used to build houses in flood plains......

[bluepen]

41. Sure they have. (Edit)

Which is why you won't say where you live. (Or I guess you could make something up.)

Anyway, the last thing I expected to find on DU was someone who shares the philosophy of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz (when it's not his state).

Don't worry, I won't bother to ask you why a single penny of my federal taxes go to fund anything in your part of the country.

[Cryptoad]

56. So u still dont have good reason, heh????,,,,,,,,,

bye

[bluepen]

62. You're trolling, but I'll answer it.

There are very few areas of this country that are not subject to some type of natural disaster.

Most people live in an area that is known to be prone to one or more of those disasters, and they build there anyway, knowing it might happen. (That's why I and others were curious about where you live, but it's no longer important because you're not serious.)

When disaster strikes, we all help, whether we live there or not.

We do this because a) most of us aren't disciples of Ayn Rand, and b) most of us recognize that when something catastrophic happens in one part of this country, it affects us all.

Just like we all build Interstates we may never drive on.

Just like we all pay for schools, even though some of us don't have kids.

Just like... well, the list goes on and on and on and I suspect you know this.

[Cryptoad]

71. still no answer to the Q

Tell me why I should pay to replace ur house in a swamp.

FYI, somebody with no more post than u should no be rude and accuse others of trolling. Most DU's know where I live , I have posted it many times
Most with ur attitude [hey look over there , a squirrel] dont make in on DU
u may be on the wrong board for u.

[bluepen]

72. It's been answered.

You'll love Paul Ryan's FEMA cuts.

Someone else will have to respond to your bait going forward. I won't see it.

[ileus]

69. Any of those tax dollars come from people living in flood plains?

So you're saying only people that live in areas that cannot experience a disaster should get tax dollars?

[jcmaine72]

17. "No Utilities should be turned on for any houses in the Flood Plain"

Do they at least get food & water?

[Cryptoad]

27. what has food and water got to do with the price of tea in,,,,,,,,

[sweetapogee]

22. lets

turn off the oxygen while we are at it.

And no more sunlight!

[Not Ruth]

26. Agreed, until global warming is resolved

[KG]

31. this is already code in FL. also wind mitigation.

[Calista241]

36. So when are we going to kick people out of San Fransisco for living in an Earthquake zone.

I suppose we could apply that to most coastal cities in CA. And fuck Florida. That state just needs to be shut down.

[X_Digger]

43. And no money for homes on earthquake faults, or wildfire areas, or landslide prone areas..

Goody, isn't this fun?

[bluepen]

61. Don't forget anywhere there might be a tornado!

[Warpy]

44. In parts of The Netherlands, people are being encouraged to build

smaller houses that are designed to float if the worst happens in the parts of the country below sea level.

That sounds like a great idea to me.

[cwydro]

55. Wow.

Seriously?

[bluepen]

60. The OP is not serious.

They refused to answer numerous questions throughout this thread. They're trolling.

[HAB911]

64. When I replaced the windows in my house

they had to be impact resistant or be installed with shutters (flexible nylon see-through waterproof)

houses in a flood plain should only be rebuilt to new codes/on stilts/quality roof tie downs etc. Just because we have legacy building codes does not mean we should remain that stupid. It would be cheaper in the long run to do it right now rather than four more storms down the road, IMO

[ananda]

65. Tough love.

It really is tough to have tough love when you need it.

The Gulf coast needs it now. But I doubt if they'll get it.

It will just be the same ol same ol.

[ileus]

68. What about no federal money for no one no where.

Not ever...

Big Snow storm = You shouldn't live in cold climates.

Floods = You shouldn't live near water

Earthquake = You shouldn't live on earth?

Tornado = You shouldn't live where storms occur.

Hurricanes = You shouldn't live.....you get the point.

No one should live where disasters may happen...thus no money for nothing...no not ever.

[Cryptoad]

70. No body said anything about no Federal Money

u should give federal money to rebuild a house in snow country which roof design will not support known snow loads on the roof

u can live near water just not in flood plain unless the house is elevated

u build in Quake country with designs to with stand quakes

same for tornado in high risk areas

and Hurricanes,,,,,,

u can live in swamp just don't expect me to pay for replacing ur house when it floods

nothing absurd abt that mOF these laws already exist in most places

[bluepen]

73. Good post.

[OkSustainAg]

76. Here I think is the idea...

Contractors build cookie cutter houses everywhere. They don't want to build for area because that cost more. If you look at most the kitchens and floor plans, fixtures are the same cheap ones in cheap apartments. If you want to build for area you have to do it yourself (I had to) or pay mega bucks. Most contractors don't have the skill or labor to do differently. Anywhere.

[Cryptoad]

77. Very True

What a great experience to build ur own house. Plus The solutions are not that hard,,,,, Cajuns have been building and living in swamps for hundred of years...