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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 02:51 AM Sep 2017

NoShit...


During a civil political conversation

I made a comment recently where I claimed that Republican administrations had been much more criminally corrupt over the last 50 plus years than the Democrats. I was challenged (dared actually) to prove it. So I did a bit of research and when I say a bit I mean it didn't take long and there is no comparison.

When comparing criminal indictments of those serving in the executive branch of presidential administrations, it's so lopsided as to be ridiculous. Yet all I ever hear about is how supposedly "corrupt" the Democrats are. So why don't we break it down by president and the numbers?
Obama (D) - 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. So the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth.

Bush, George W. (R) - 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.
Clinton (D) - 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence. That's right nearly 8 yrs of investigations. Tens of millions spent and 30 yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.

Bush, George H. W. (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.
Reagan (R) - 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.
Carter (D) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.
Ford (R) - 2 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.
Nixon (R) - 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.
Johnson (D) - 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.

So, let’s see where that leaves us. In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.

In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren't really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn't found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford (and a pardon carries with it a legal admission of guilt on the part of the pardoned). So those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.

With everything going on with Trump and his people right now, it's a safe bet Republicans are gonna be padding their numbers a bit real soon.

So let's just go over the numbers one more time, shall we? 120 indictments for Republicans. 89 convictions, and 34 prison sentences. Those aren't "feelings" or "alternate facts." Those are simply the stats by the numbers. Republicans are, and have been for my entire lifetime, the most criminally corrupt party to hold the office of the presidency.
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chowder66

(9,054 posts)
1. I'm grateful that you took the time to put this together. It's stark and serious.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 03:05 AM
Sep 2017

Unfortunately it also resides in reality which many people are refusing to take part in anymore.
And that boggles my mind so deeply that it, at times, makes my stomach turn and my head hurt.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
3. Since the 1988 election Repub have one the popular vote once,
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 03:11 AM
Sep 2017

Bush 2 during his second run in 2004. We have to get the career criminal GOP party out of this country for a good, long time. Since Reagan was in office the GOP has somehow convinced the public that being rich means you are moral while being poor equates to immoral values. We have to end gerrymandering, voter suppression, hacked ballots and the Electoral College. Gore, Dan Rather and Robert Reich ( I forget which one) said it can be done without a constitutional amendment. I thing the GOP would have to go along with it though so we know it will NOT happen, just like we know they will not impeach or remove 45 from office.

bluestateboomer

(505 posts)
4. I don't know how to get these facts through to some people
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 03:36 AM
Sep 2017

I recently exchanged text with an acquaintance and all she would talk about was "Bill Clinton and Hillary participation in underage sex orgies, all you need ot do is google "Lolita Express" and look through the articles. Flight logs have verified 27 vists by Bill and at least 6 by Hillary."

Prince Andrew and Comey on Orgy Island filmed unknown to them and this is used to blackmail.

And the MSM is covering for it all. But Breitbart, Drudge and H.A. Goodman all have the truth which is going to explode the whole elite conspiracy.

Logic and reason are lost on the RW echo chamber.

These are the deplorables and their "truths" will blow the world apart.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
5. Thanks...
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 04:08 AM
Sep 2017

for assembling that great summary. Will print it and keep handy for reference and ammunition.

I've only had one Republican friend that I could have a civil conversation with, and he died last year. Broke my heart to loose a great debate partner!

canetoad

(17,136 posts)
6. Good post but you should quote sources
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 04:57 AM
Sep 2017

And not take credit for someone else's writings.

I know this because I read this exact same article within the last week. A Google search of this exact term:
"Obama (D) - 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. So the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth."

brings up this one (of many) sources quoting the same article from early July.

http://www.peacock-panache.com/2017/07/corruption-republicans-democrats-31686.html

TEB

(12,827 posts)
7. Thank you for posting I sent this to a trump supporter friend
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 05:01 AM
Sep 2017

He is actually a regan disciple but he takes what he can get.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
8. Excellent post
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 06:55 AM
Sep 2017

Now just wait for the stealing frenzy coming with the hurricane money. You ain't see 'nuthin' yet.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. Good information to have at our fingertips.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:58 AM
Sep 2017

I am bookmarking this one for future reference. Thank you for your research!

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