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babsbunny

(8,441 posts)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:45 PM Jul 2012

My Sister defending Corporations as being actual People! Can you help me with a smart response?

If corporations aren't people, then what are they? I'm still trying to figure that one out.

"If corporations are not people, why did we bail out General Motors and Chrysler? Why did Obama care? They're just a bunch of cars, a bunch of evil cars that people shouldn't be driving."

The Supreme Court also said the Obamacare is a tax. Go figure.

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My Sister defending Corporations as being actual People! Can you help me with a smart response? (Original Post) babsbunny Jul 2012 OP
Maybe your sister is confused lunatica Jul 2012 #1
Tell her she is defending the rights of a corporation to become Rex Jul 2012 #2
Easy refute: If corporations are people why aren't we arresting and prosecuting them? Initech Jul 2012 #3
^^This!^^ 99Forever Jul 2012 #8
Corporations are creatures of the state. PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #4
President Obama saved the employees as well as the corporation. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #5
Corporations are more like machines, tools designed to produce profits. Tell her that. reformist2 Jul 2012 #6
The car companies were helped in order to save the jobs of the employees. mmonk Jul 2012 #7
"Is a corporation a person?" is a better question CJCRANE Jul 2012 #9
Corporations are legal entities. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #10
A smart response to that would be to sit down while laughing your head off Scootaloo Jul 2012 #11
Corporations have no heart, emotion, empathy. DearAbby Jul 2012 #12
And they're not entitled to health care under ACA lastlib Jul 2012 #15
Thanks everyone!!!!!! babsbunny Jul 2012 #13
Ask her if she was adopted... n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #14
Ask her why Romney doesn't name Bain as his Solomon Jul 2012 #16
Because GM hires actual people. mzmolly Jul 2012 #17
Tell her that Mom thinks you are the smart one for very good reasons Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #18
yay! babsbunny Jul 2012 #20
Ask her what gender a corporation is demwing Jul 2012 #19
Corporations are legal entities that are used to avoid/limit responsibility. ThomThom Jul 2012 #21
Yeah, corporations are a bunch of people: tabasco Jul 2012 #22
Corporations exist for the sole purpose of making a profit. If profit ceases a corp. ceases to exist Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #23
Surprised that no one has remembered this: (Elizabeth Warren) femmocrat Jul 2012 #24

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. Maybe your sister is confused
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe she thinks that when you say corporation you're actually talking about the people in it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. Tell her she is defending the rights of a corporation to become
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

President of the United States. If she laughs at you, point out that they can now run for office AND one IS trying right now to become POTUS.

See if she laughs at that.

If she does not feel uncomfortable about a faceless corporation being in charge of the USA, then something is wrong with her.

democrat_patriot

(2,774 posts)
5. President Obama saved the employees as well as the corporation.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:50 PM
Jul 2012

Romney just wanted to 'fix' the corporation through structured bankruptcy. He didn't care about the families affected.

When was the last time a corporation held the door for you?

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
7. The car companies were helped in order to save the jobs of the employees.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:53 PM
Jul 2012

Corporations are artificial created legal entities. The founding fathers did not intend them to be persons as it relates to the Constitution or Bill of Rights. They had restrictions on the length of time of corporate charters.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
9. "Is a corporation a person?" is a better question
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jul 2012

because obviously corporations are (staffed by) people.

But can a corporation do all the things a person can do? And can we do the same things to a corporation that we can do to a person?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
10. Corporations are legal entities.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jul 2012

By bailing out the Auto Industry, with SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS for doing so, Obama saved the JOB of people who work for that LEGAL ENTITY.

But a corporation is not a person. A PERSON has a first amendment right to free speech, a corporation, which is a LEGAL ENTITY, should not have the same right.

Oh, I've worked for a corporation a number of times in my career, and I can say first hand that it is NOT a person. The corporation does not love its employees. It will fire you, or sell you off as if you were a PHYSICAL ASSET and NOT an actual person.

And the SC is right, its a tax, a tax you can avoid ... much like you can avoid a tax when you get a mortgage and buy a house verses renting for the same amount. See how that works.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. A smart response to that would be to sit down while laughing your head off
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

"They're just a bunch of cars, a bunch of evil cars that people shouldn't be driving."

I'm sorry, I don't know your sister, but if that's her argument... Wow.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
15. And they're not entitled to health care under ACA
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jul 2012

or MedicAid, or Social Security. They don't work for wages, they don't get protected from discrimination.

And Texas has never executed one.

mzmolly

(50,985 posts)
17. Because GM hires actual people.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jul 2012

That's why.

People are subject to reporting laws and contribution limitations. If corporations are people, they should be able to give no more than you or I can.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
19. Ask her what gender a corporation is
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jul 2012

and ask if they can get married in all 50 states?

Also, tell her God created Adam and Eve, not Adam, Inc. and Eve, LLC.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
21. Corporations are legal entities that are used to avoid/limit responsibility.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jul 2012

The are made up of people that are owners and employees. These people all have a right speak anytime they want but if they want to be heard by more than the people in the break room they have to buy air time or donate to campaigns. They all have just one vote in the elections.
Tell her that if corporations get to buy air time they are giving another voice to the people directing this speech, who already are speaking through spending their own money on political donations.
Ask her if it would be ok to let corporations vote since they are people? And who would the representative be that entered the voting booth? Wouldn't that be a second vote for that person? That is if they can prove citizenship.
As it is now foreign corporations now get a voice in running our country since it is all secret and corporations really have no bounds.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. Corporations exist for the sole purpose of making a profit. If profit ceases a corp. ceases to exist
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:22 PM
Jul 2012

If a person wants to do something that might mean it would eat into that person's income, with no monetary benefit, a person can do it for a moral good or whatever reason. But a corporation cannot. That would hurt the purpose of the corporation's existence. Everything a corporation does, even charitable contributions, must go toward helping the corporation earn a profit.

People who work for corporations are merely cogs in a wheel. If any of those people fail to work toward the purpose of the corporation, earning a profit, the corporation will rid itself of that person, even if the person is the CEO.

That is because first and foremost, a corporation must earn a profit in order to just exist.

THAT is the main difference between corporations and people. Corporations have no soul, no beating heart, no brain cells. They are legal entities. Nothing more and nothing less.



femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
24. Surprised that no one has remembered this: (Elizabeth Warren)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:54 PM
Jul 2012

"Mitt Romney tells us, in his own words, he believes corporations are people. No, Mitt, corporations are not people,” she exclaimed. “People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick,… they live and they die. Learn the difference.

“And Mitt, learn this: we don’t run this country for corporations, we run it for people,” Warren continued, drawing cheers from the crowd at Boston Symphony Hall.
....
“We know where president Obama stands, he stands for working people,” she said. “It’s just as clear where Mitt Romney stands.”

There was even a poster of it on DU a while back.

Source: http://www.liberalroundup.com/politics/crooks-and-liars/136399-elizabeth-warren-no-mitt-corporations-are-not-people

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