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From my friend Bruce XXXXXXX
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You'd think I got busted sneaking out of Ann Coulter's boudoir. Right out of the gate, it was about Sanders himself. Then the tide shifted, and the Hillary haters came out of the woodwork. By the time I left for work, the thread looked like a Wes Craven flick of liberals attacking liberals.
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I get it, some folks hold Bernie Sanders responsible for Hillary's defeat. And some folks insist Hillary's candidacy is why we wound up with Trump. GROW UP! It's been a year. It's over! Neither Hillary nor Bernie were perfect, but either would have been better than the monster we ended up with. I ENTHUSIASTICALLY supported and voted for Hillary Clinton last year, but had Sanders won the nod, I'd have done likewise for him. What pains me, is how so many folks obsess over personality rather than policy, and they blame that person for everything. Like the fifty-five year old guy at a party who pulls out a picture of his wife who left him 25 years ago, and drones on about how she's responsible for his drinking problem.
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IT'S
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Had anybody but Sanders introduced that bill yesterday, it wouldn't have been an issue. In fact, we'd have all welcomed it, if not applauded it. But no, some folks just had to drag the past into it, and the conversation veered into the gutter. It was shameful!
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Early yesterday morning, 6 Senate Democrats had announced they'd co-sponsor Sanders' bill. Do you know how many had signed on by the end of the day? 16! That's one in three sitting United States Democratic Senators. Probably only one of whom, Jeff Merkley, endorsed Bernie Sanders last year. The rest all endorsed Hillary Clinton.
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And yet, they were capable of seeing beyond their differences, forgetting for the moment the antipathy of last year for an opportunity to make a symbolic but IMPORTANT statement. That the American healthcare system needs to be revamped.
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Of course, this new bill is dead on arrival. Nothing of this nature will make it into or out of committeeit's just too progressive for our pals across the aisle. Perish the thought, we'd actually cut corporate interests out of the system. The point of it, which was lost on so many of you, is that with each new attempt, it drives the ball one yard further towards the end zone. Yesterday, 16 Senators co-sponsored it. Next year maybe it'll be 18. And if the Democrats ever get their shit together long enough to retake Congress, they just might have a majority... and then... THEN we'll be able to put the Big Pharma lobby, the insurance industry, and all the other factors that have brought us to where we are today in check. And nobody in America will go bankrupt just because they woke up one day with cancer.
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Novel concept, huh? What really nauseated me yesterday, was the cult of personality. Bernie this, Hillary that, and how so many of the comments were about these candidates, rather than their policies. I do not GET IT!!
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There's only one personality that makes me retch at his very sight, and that's Donald Trump. Yet even there, Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer have been making progress. And isn't that the whole point of being a PROGRESSIVE?
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Bury the hatchet Bernie/Hillary haters. Your hatred benefits only the Republicans. Again, I'm not even a Democrat, though I've ALWAYS voted for the Democratic candidate. But that little display of internecine warfare yesterday makes me worry for our future. You're our best hope. Don't blow it.
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guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)burrowowl
(18,049 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the continued attacks on democrats with 'hit' pieces like this? The 'past' is still ongoing...perpetuated by many....I agree it is about us, but many whiners from the primaries and their lost cause are still not about "us". When we all truly are about defeating thee RW racists and white supremacists ruling our land, I'm on board, until then ....no, just looking forward to democratic Party victories in 2018-20. Independents have tried to make themselves more than they are, a MINORITY WING under the umbrella of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, NOT AN INDEPENDENT-DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ProfessorPlum
(11,370 posts)Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #5)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)Stop with the labels and remember principles before personalities. Focus on policy not attacking the messenger. Health care is a right no matter who introduces the policy. You're comment is not justified and detrimental to the conversation all due to your prejudice. Bernie is great, Hillary is great. Get over it and go read the details of Bernie's 'introductory' bill, especially the tax on employers to replace them having to pay for employees health care ins.. 6.5% but that's just a starting figure, not theater.
Roy Rolling
(7,189 posts)Bernie Bros were a propaganda invention. By attacking a group infiltrated and trolled by Russian operatives it splits liberals/Democrats/progressives/Hillary supporters. Please consider. Thanks.
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ProfessorPlum
(11,370 posts)Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #41)
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The Wielding Truth
(11,422 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)I hope her poor performance here does not result in trip to re-education facility.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)My experience on social media was far different than yours, apparently.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)been helped by many, many non votes for HRC and easily hackable voting machines...look at what we got/have as a potus .No my post has nothing to do with helping someone or some who are an enemy of the state.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,537 posts)Or is it persists, either way, why doesnt she just shut up, right?
I mean, yeah...
no, GOD DAMMIT to anybody else reading this I am NOT suggesting she shut up, I hope she NEVER shuts up
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)It's "get over it and move on".
A lot of us are tired of the daily attacks on Bernie when time is getting short to 2018 and 2020.
We need to stop looking back and look to the upcoming elections.
I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP/Russians are behind the dissension?
DownriverDem
(6,667 posts)to join the Dem Party if he intends to run in the Dem Party primaries. I am tired of folks not getting this point.
tecelote
(5,141 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)You may work on changing the rules?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,370 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)And I'm going to borrow it for all kinds of future use -- but especially these pointless, infantile, beating-a-dead-horse Bernie v Hillary arguments.
ProfessorPlum
(11,370 posts)I intend to use it a lot as well
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Ninsianna
(1,353 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,370 posts)And no one is being silenced.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)If they let him run, then he can run. End of story.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)the fall out
LakeArenal
(29,840 posts)Someone above said it best for me: Hillary is great. Sanders is great.
Let's move on and win the 2018 votes with the help from Both of them...
If Bernie is the theater, then look past him for the substance. 16 other important Dems can...
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Let's move forward. Enough of this.
moda253
(615 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Response to heaven05 (Reply #3)
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concreteblue
(626 posts)"Throw a rock over a fence, the dog that holler's the one you hit".
The OP is exactly right. A couple of points: to whoever thinks Bernie is not "doing the work" for the Democratic Party, you are entitled to absolutely zero of the registered dems who registered because of Bernie.
AND, this absolutely plays into Republican and Russian hands. Don't be a tool....
That being said, I am sure the ACA will cover some sort of medication from that rock bruise.....
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)You don't have to be a democrat to vote democratic. You don't need to be a democrat to influence the democratic party. Label yourself as you please but our progressive democratic principles really are unaffected by such labels.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I know what so-called "progressive democratic principles"...did affect and that is without a doubt...."labels" has nothing to do with unassailable truth.
Duppers
(28,257 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(10,832 posts)diva77
(7,880 posts)tactics that the rethugs have been getting away with, and which resulted in the theft of the 2016 election: end use of computerized voting and tabulating; end gerrymandering; end Crosscheck and Kobach-check, voter ID laws, etc.
Dem_4_Life
(1,775 posts)DownriverDem
(6,667 posts)However, if Bernie intends to run as a Dem again, I sure as hell hopes he joins the Dem Party sooner rather than later. He tried to get his voters to support her after he & they blasted her for months. That was the problem then and it will be the problem again if he doesn't join the Dem Party way ahead of time.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)die. Yep, while the Senators played single payer...it appears the GOP got the votes for repeal...McCain is on board and money stolen from blue states will pay off the others...good job.
Delmette2.0
(4,264 posts)Granted they will be shot down by the R's, but we will have the upper hand in 2018. We can point to each and every issue and truthfully say we tried to help you and the R's said NO.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)You are 100% correct on this. One of the issues I hear at local meetings from people is exactly this;
What you say above speaks the truth. It doesn't matter if something is passed or not, what matters is that people see it happening. That shows the public that our reps are fighting and is used as a motivational tool to get people out for midterms, when voting is usually low. We can't afford that to happen at all right now. What you said is a lightning rod of a motivator.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)This proposed legislation is an economic issue, it's a feminist issue, it's a family issue, it's an issue of social justice. It's a bill that we should all get behind.
Delmette2.0
(4,264 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)but didn't get a lot of notice due to single payer being introduced. I'll make sure it gets some sweet ear music again next week. Thank you!
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Here are available tools to help spread the word:
https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/series/child-care-advocacy-toolkit
lapucelle
(19,540 posts)for the seventh time.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)lapucelle
(19,540 posts)When you inform your fellow local Democrats at your weekly local DNC meeting about the details of the Democratic platform, you might also want to remind them that a Democratic congressman has introduced his Medicare for All bill in every session of Congress since 2003.
Perhaps John Conyers should court more publicity about HR 676, but he's not the type of leader who grandstands.
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676
Remind your local DNC captains to tell volunteers training to canvass and phone bank for Democratic candidates that uninformed and misinformed voters pose as grave a threat to our rights as those who do not bother to vote. They helped put Trump in office and Gorsuch on the Supreme Court for a generation. The damage they have done is immeasurable.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)See we don't have DNC captains, as we are a Our Revolution group So we are a bit different. We consist of Democrats and progressive indie voters who concentrate on getting the progressive voice out; going door to door and talking with people about what concerns them the most when it comes to issues. What it is that they consider the most serious issues. We've gotten a lot of people to come out to our meetings and it's certainly been a very interesting ride. I am amazed at how many people feel like they simply aren't represented. It is rather sad to be honest....
Either is Bernie who first introduced single payer in 1992.
Delmette2.0
(4,264 posts)When they submit bills that support our platform. This is important especially when we agree with them on bills they submit and when they vote.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,537 posts)lapucelle
(19,540 posts)("Finally" if you don't count the bills introduced since 1993 by Democrat Jim McDermott and since 2003 by Democrat John Conyers.)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/1200?r=1
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=1
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=2
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=3
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=5
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=6
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=7
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/676?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr+676%22%5D%7D&r=8
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/676?r=1
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(19,540 posts)and people are unaware of the platform?
Share it with them at the next meeting. It's probably a good idea to share it at all the meetings you attend.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf
sheshe2
(87,830 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:31 PM - Edit history (1)
....(our town Democratic Party) and I didn't hear anything like that. We all work hard in all elections - local and state and federal - to make sure "Dems" get elected. And we're nothing close to reactionary.
sheshe2
(87,830 posts)denbot
(9,914 posts)But as you know, trolls gotta troll..
Lee Adama
(90 posts)murielm99
(31,475 posts)and support the ACA, with improvements. Then it will be about us. Until then, it is all about you.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Until then, no.
BainsBane
(54,825 posts)There were dozens of co-sponsors of that bill, but the singular focus--as always--is Bernie. If people were genuinely interested in building coalitions necessary to pass legislation, they wouldn't insist on using the issue to divide the party and advance one man's career. That author would have simply talked about the legislation. The many threads this year would have been about the issue. Instead, the singular focus has been to promote Bernie, whereas Bernie himself announced his tour to promote the bill with a letter declaring the Democratic Party as the opposition, the "establishment" standing in the way of single payer. This despite the fact the author of the House bill is a Democratic, the very sort of Democrat Bernie has dismissed as "establishment." When people want to pass legislation, they don't begin by attacking the very people who vote for the bill.
For all the lectures we hear about being nice to Trump voters, not insulting them, etc., NONE of that is extended to Democratic politicians or Democratic voters.
None of that is consistent with the goal of passing legislation. Nor is the fact the bill contains no numbers regarding costs and how much taxes would need to be raised to pay for single payer. That shows that the bill wasn't written with the purpose of becoming law. Then there is fact there is zero attention to how to get GOP congressional leadership to bring a single payer and instead used as an opportunity to attack Democratic lawmakers.
If people ever decide they do care about universal healthcare, they will discuss it as an issue rather than using it to justify factional division. Someone will also write legislation capable of becoming law. We would see people discuss what a single payer system would look like rather than insisting anyone who dared to ask questions was the enemy. Refusal to take legislation or discussion of the issue seriously is not consistent with actually enacting single payer healthcare.
People make it about Bernie because the goal is to advance Bernie. As long as they do so, they undermine support.
Oh, and if Bernie is serious about healthcare becoming a right, he needs to organize a constitutional amendment campaign because rights in our system are protected by the Constitution, not legislation.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)stonecutter357
(12,776 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,381 posts)You can't see that its more you that makes it all about Bernie?
That you seem to have convinced yourself that whatever Bernie does is disingenuous, despite all evidence of a man dedicating most of his life to furthering progressive issues, and so anything he tries to advance should be dismissed as some kind of big ego trip. Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?
I'm just glad that most Democrats in the Senate are more sensible and are happy to work with Sanders and consider him an important ally, unlike yourself and others in here. I think many of those would be surprised upon reading all the blind hatred towards the man on a Democratic friendly website.
"using the issue to divide the party and advance one man's career"
Sanders is nearing the end of his career as it is. What kind of cynical bitterness does it take to accuse him of doing everything he is doing only to advance his career? That is one loooooooooong game he has been playing. Again ludicrous.
"If people ever decide they do care about universal healthcare, they will discuss it as an issue rather than using it to justify factional division. Someone will also write legislation capable of becoming law."
So we wait until this undefined large group of "people" stop what they are doing and one day decide that hmmmmm you know, we really DO care about universal health care. And THEN we can discuss it. Basically the lazy attitude that has kept America from affordable universal health care throughout their history. The iron is hot. After the failed GOP repeal of the ACA. Why not start to "discuss" now? What better time?
Another point:
Like it or not, Bernie is one of, if not the, most popular politicians in the country. So even if you detest the man, although I can't see how anyone could, why not ride the Bernie train for the time being? Instead of using his Independent status as a beacon to attack, why not shift your thinking into seeing it as a unique weapon that only the Democrats have. That when he promotes Democratic supported bills, they will get more traction with a population tired of the political elite of both parties, BECAUSE he is registered as an Independent. EVEN THOUGH HE IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES A DEMOCRAT?
You don't have to be a 'follower' or a 'supporter' of Bernie to understand his importance as a national and respected symbol on this issue. Due to his hard pugnacious work in the last decades, and also the exposure he got running in the primaries. OF COURSE he will get exposure and the spotlight! That helps put the spotlight on the issue! You could accuse ANY politician of making speeches and running for office simply to "advance their career" or sell books, or be famous, without any real principles behind it. Hillary, Obama, Bill....? Maybe MLK only wanted the fame as well? Mahatma Gandhi? You know sometimes its the actual work, words, and ideas that come out of the person that creates the buzz and popularity around an historical figure. That their fame and stature is not under their own control.
"If it weren't about Bernie, we would hear about the issue rather than Bernie"
Now THIS is absolutely true. In the sense that for yourself and a few others still dwelling in the primary front lines, ie...If Bernie was not front and center and leading the charge on this issue, we would actually allow ourselves to hear about the issue rather than getting stuck on only seeing that $#@# Bernie!
lapucelle
(19,540 posts)in every session of Congress since 2003. I really admire Conyers for championing this issue.
Funny how so many people think this idea is something new.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,381 posts)As I understand it, his is a House bill, and Sanders is a Senate bill. So its not like one is trouncing over the other.
Why does it have to be a pissing contest anyways? Who cares if Sanders is getting more attention. Or why. Of course one reason is that Sanders is a very popular politician as politicians go. So why not use that popularity to our advantage? Instead of moaning about Conyers being the first. That just sounds like children would do in a playground. Maybe it just wasn't the right time when Conyers introduced it first. Now the political climate has changed with health care being in the news for better or worse. And Sanders is taking advantage of that climate to push for what Conyers wants as well. Its a team effort.
lapucelle
(19,540 posts)I'm glad that many agree that it's finally the time to adopt Conyers' bold vision.
We've been waiting for a Senate version of HR 676 for more than a decade. Once the text of the senate bill introduced this week is published on the government website, we'll know whether we finally have one.
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676#toc
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1804
R B Garr
(17,385 posts)It's not about one person. Great post, as usual Bains....
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)dae
(3,396 posts)Response to babylonsister (Original post)
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PatsFan87
(368 posts)This isn't about Bernie/Hillary, it's about everyone who struggles and has to worry about how they will pay for basic health care. We're all human beings! No one should have to make a GoFundMe page so they don't die in this country. That is SHAMEFUL!
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)That doesn't sound like a term used by someone who wants to move on.
SCantiGOP
(14,288 posts)ESPECIALLY
ON
THE
LEFT
MARGIN!!
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Who knows? He may decide he likes getting shit done!
delisen
(6,534 posts)I think it actually is about Bernie Sanders because so many pro-posts invoke his name but few list anything about the bill.
It's Bernie, Bernie, Bernie!.
It seem like a corporate commercial product introduction in the marketplace.
New Coke!
Apple Watch!
Google Glasses!
Beanie Babies!
Lucky Charms!
Bernie Sanders!
concreteblue
(626 posts)Sorry, not a lot of points awarded for awareness or intelligence there.....
delisen
(6,534 posts)on this site and makes no judgment about Senator Sanders at all.
I will make no judgment regarding you despite your own apparent assessment or judgment of my "awareness or intelligence" and denial of Judge's Points for me in those categories.
concreteblue
(626 posts)The OP does not reference "the marketing of Senator Sanders" on this site or in any way.
Progressive2020
(713 posts)Bernie certainly did not invent the idea of Universal Health Care, but he has popularized it in a way that no other politician has been able to thus far.
I think one reason why Bernie has not joined the Democratic Party is because he is loyal to his own Progressive views rather than any Party line. I can understand why that might irk some Democrats.
I think Bernie's goal is to move the Democratic Party in a more Progressive direction, and so also the country. I think that he has had some success in this, and that is part of why he gets the attention that he does. He did not invent the wheel, but he is good at selling it.
Again, I can see how this might aggravate some Democrats. Bernie has come into the Party as an outsider and remains an Independent. I think Hillary was right that he wants to disrupt the Party. I think that he wants to change the Party into a more Progressive Party. In trying to do this, he has ruffled some feathers amongst Democrats, which I understand can be aggravating.
Given all this, I think that pro-Bernie people and pro-Hillary people should try to bury the hatchet and work together for 2018 and 2020. Sanders should work closer with other Dems and share more credit. Non-Bernie Dems should maybe acknowledge that Bernie has mobilized a Progressive Movement that they (the Dems) might be able to harness and ride to victory on in 2018 and 2020.
Just my two cents.
Mosby
(17,547 posts)Seems odd, and I'm not suggesting he's lying, but why can't he commit?
Personally I don't care what independents have to say.
ProfessorGAC
(70,255 posts)I'm registered I! Voted for one R ever and it was a county position and I personally knew the man for years! Not a rightie nutjob! Voted for him both terms
Every other vote since 1974 has been D!
Why can't I commit? I am committed. I'm a liberal who wants dems to win!
Sure you don't need people like me on board?
If you're answer to that question is yes, it explains a lot towards why we've lost ground to the evil empire in the last 18 years
Beartracks
(13,606 posts)I think Bruce has committed: he's a committed Independent.
And as an Independent, he votes for Democrats because Democrats are closer to his positions, priorities, and values than Republicans.
And that's what any and all of us should do: vote for the candidate closest to our positions, priorities, and values, even if they're not a 100% match. Anything less is abdicating our responsibility as Citizens.
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UTUSN
(72,571 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,616 posts)I've had 3 plans in 3 years. 2 private and one Obamacare. All 3 were way more than we can afford. For 2 people it's more than our mortgage payment. Obamacare had better coverage, by far, but was the most expensive. Sorry but no way should it cost $1300 for two 60-year-old folks to have healthcare.
I'm now stuck back on a horrible HMO. Even that is $550 a share for just me I've been waiting to see specialists for months, and not the kind of specialists I should be seeing because they are too cheap to do what's right. We make just enough to not qualify for any subsidies, but we are in California and costs of living are the highest anywhere. We're too young for Medicare, but our rates are jacked up because of our age.
We need single-payer healthcare for all and I wouldn't care who introduced it. We should all be for this.
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,324 posts)Of Dem or Indy you are. You're all good in my book.
kentuck
(112,886 posts)We must be one Party.
randr
(12,483 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)stonecutter357
(12,776 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)TryLogic
(1,902 posts)VaBchTgerLily
(231 posts)the silly truth is that between the taxes we now pay and the higher premiums those of us pay already would probably be close to the tax amounts some of these other countries whom have universal health care charge.
Martin Eden
(13,537 posts)Exactly.
One of the biggest problems with electoral politics in the USA is the overriding focus on persona and the horse race.
The discussion going forward should not be WHO will be our next candidate but WHAT does the Democratic Party stand for in terms of the crucially important policies that affect all of our lives.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)What we have is the beginning of an opportunity to remake American health care. Get on board--if not with the bill as so far written, then with what you would like it to be.
mudstump
(348 posts)RawStory, CrooksNLiars, ThinkProgress and all others should quit posting these divisive articles that blame this one or that one. It does nothing but keep us all riled up and at each others throats.
Dustlawyer
(10,518 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It sure feels like a Cult of Personality.
Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)put out a bill that had no chance of passing the GOP figured out a way to repeal the ACA...great job Senators...thousands will die. You should have fought as hard for the ACA as you did for a single payer bill that has no shot...maybe harder.
R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Bernie will never get his single payer since ACA is going down. The ACA was the existing framework going forward, and that was the priority. Building a coalition is more important than grandstanding.
Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)the priority.
R B Garr
(17,385 posts)AMJoy had a good panel discussion about this today. You are right about the ACA being a priority.