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Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:04 PM

The model of the Democratic party is not failing, American Democracy is.

Russians interfering in our elections, the public FBI investigation into Clinton while having a serious private Trump investigation, gerrymandering, voter suppression, the media and the simple fact that more people voted for Clinton and for Democrats in most elections. Clinton loosing is not a referendum on the Democratic party. Loosing the House and Senate and Governors isn't a referendum on the party. We lost because the Republicans used fear and populism and a whole lot of people fell for it. The Democratic party is not republican lite, we are not corporate shills, we are not war mongers. We are the party that does the most for most Americans to make a better life and country, period. We lost the House and Senate because people believed the fear that the Republicans spread about the ACA and the not white guy in the white house. More people like the ACA now that they see what it brings to help them. Major change is hard, and it cost us, a cost that many bore knowing what would happen. Don't you dare tell me that bringing healthcare to millions is failing, that giving people the right to marry is failing, letting children that came here from other countries go to school or join the military without fear of being deported is failing, that the people who opposed these things with their gadsen flags and their "keep government out of medicare" are the people we need to reach out to. Just don't. You can use your lost election numbers to justify your point, in the end elections aren't change they are just elections, points on a arbitrary scorecard. The things our party did are real change, and they resonate even after we loose the popularity contest and continue to make real positive change with minds and hearts. Keep those words to yourself, stick them in a damp dark place because I dont respect anyone that utters them at all.

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Reply The model of the Democratic party is not failing, American Democracy is. (Original post)
Eko Sep 2017 OP
Doreen Sep 2017 #1
brush Sep 2017 #2
Me. Sep 2017 #3
Eko Sep 2017 #4
Me. Sep 2017 #7
delisen Sep 2017 #5
Eko Sep 2017 #6
delisen Sep 2017 #23
pnwmom Sep 2017 #8
Eko Sep 2017 #9
JHan Sep 2017 #10
Eko Sep 2017 #11
sheshe2 Sep 2017 #12
Eko Sep 2017 #15
sheshe2 Sep 2017 #18
Eko Sep 2017 #19
sheshe2 Sep 2017 #20
sheshe2 Sep 2017 #13
m-lekktor Sep 2017 #14
Eko Sep 2017 #16
SunSeeker Sep 2017 #17
certainot Sep 2017 #21
Eko Sep 2017 #22

Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:17 PM

1. Democracy is being ripped from our lives.

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:18 PM

2. WOOHOO! What a righteous rant. Agree 100%. That's telling 'em where to stick it.

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:27 PM

3. It Seems I Always Appreciate Your Posts

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Response to Me. (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:33 PM

4. Thanks Me!

I appreciate you saying that. Anytime I see your posts I make sure to check them out as they are always great!

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Response to Eko (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:01 PM

7. Thank You

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:40 PM

5. You have the insight.

American democracy is being subverted. Sanders has the absolutely wrong message.

I see Wisconsin as one as the examples of the subversion by the Republican Party and its funders and shapers.

Republicans took over back in 2010 after passage of the ACA. They were able to to gerrymander because it was a re-districting year. (This is just one example of the machinations in Wisconsin during the last decade and I think the moved to end democracy was coordination through ALEC and other tools)

In 2008 Wisconsin was a Democratic state. By 2010 it was well on its way to being a fully Red state.

Democrats may have been caught off guard but that is different from Sanders analysis

The battle needs to be taken to the Republican Party.

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Response to delisen (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:55 PM

6. Sanders ideals are great.

And I know for a fact that we should aspire to them and work towards them. But he tends to have tunnel vision and cant see the big picture most of the time. That doesn't make his message wrong, just not always the best option and sometimes the worst option. Calling the most successful party to enact human rights a failing party is the worst option.

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Response to Eko (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:35 AM

23. Agree

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:15 PM

8. Thank you, Eko, for saying it so well. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:19 PM

9. Thanks!

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:24 PM

10. This is stellar Eko

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Response to JHan (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:29 PM

11. Appreciate it.

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:46 PM

12. I love you Eko.

We are the party that does the most for most Americans to make a better life and country, period.


The things our party did are real change, and they resonate even after we loose the popularity contest and continue to make real positive change with minds and hearts.


You speak for me. We are Democrats.

Thank You.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:07 AM

15. Thanks!

We are Democrats, and I love you too.
edit (for the inspiration you are to all of us here)

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Response to Eko (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:16 AM

18. Thanks!

Sorry...sent it twice...it said I made an error. That's the delete, FYI~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:20 AM

19. Saw that,

no problem, no apologies needed. Keep on keeponing.

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Response to Eko (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:26 AM

20. you too

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:53 PM

14. It's "losing" not "loosing"

Cute post but it's not reality.

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Response to m-lekktor (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:08 AM

16. I appreciate you commenting.

And the spell check, which part is not reality?

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:10 AM

17. K & R

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Response to Eko (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:47 AM

21. all democrats have to do is stop blaming symptoms and stop ignoring talk radio

here's the simple math that dems have ignored for 30 years while it kicked our ass:

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5 = $75,000/wk x 1200 stations rw talk radio is worth $18MIL/day or 390MIL$ /month or 4.68 BIL$/ year FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican free market deregulation and wall st think tank propaganda, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

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Response to certainot (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:55 AM

22. Absolutely a huge part of it.

Thanks for bringing it up.

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