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Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:42 AM

Everyone says it could never happen here

Kill the Jews,” “Heil Hitler,” SS lightning bolts, swastikas, and other epithets were found by employees spray-painted all over the outside of the Airport Diner in Wantage early Sunday morning.

The graffiti also included the acronym “WPWW,” which stands for White Power World Wide and “14/88” — well-known in white supremacist circles as a reference to the 14-word skinhead slogan, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” and 88 is a representation for “Heil Hitler” because H is the eighth letter in the alphabet.

A refrigerator inside the diner was also vandalized.

Local and regional Jewish leaders reacted with surprise, in part because, as one rabbi put it, “There’s not even a shul in that area.”

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The real issue is will people finally start to understand that anti-Semitism is a real form of bigotry and Jews are worthy of being defending against it?!

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Reply Everyone says it could never happen here (Original post)
Behind the Aegis Sep 2017 OP
Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #1
JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #2
haveahart Sep 2017 #3
JI7 Sep 2017 #4
Hortensis Sep 2017 #5
Solly Mack Sep 2017 #6
HopeAgain Sep 2017 #9
Solly Mack Sep 2017 #10
oberliner Sep 2017 #7
get the red out Sep 2017 #8
SharonClark Sep 2017 #13
get the red out Sep 2017 #14
Javaman Sep 2017 #11
CrispyQ Sep 2017 #12
mythology Sep 2017 #15

Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:43 AM

1. butbutbutbut but butbutbut

there's gonna be some buts coming in here, I think!


Kick and Rec.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:51 AM

2. It is happening now

It is BTA. I'm fearful for the upcoming holidays.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:27 AM

3. It is already happening. Maybe now people will stop voting for these miscreants and

 

stop putting their sympathizers in positions of power over our lives. Trump has given these hateful people permission to be racist and bigots in comfort.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:32 AM

4. no

 

they might say something about how bad it is but then something happens in israel or some jewish person is in the news for something and then it's back to the same old again

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:39 AM

5. Everyone doesn't say it any more. And let's remember, it started

there by attacking and murdering in other countries. This president is threatening to murder 25 million people in North Korea, which of course would not be limited to NK.

We have a duty to remove him from office.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:14 AM

6. I've never said that, nor would I. Because I never believed it to be true of America.

Look at what happened to Natives. Abused, enslaved, murdered. Does anyone really believe the same thinking that caused that atrocity has been eradicated from America? I don't.

Slavery happened here, and people can tell themselves how that is long ago history and people know better now, but the history of discrimination and racism in America says otherwise. The thinking that cradled and nurtured slavery isn't gone from America.

Racism is alive and well in America. Oppression comes in more forms than slavery and slavery doesn't require chains as long as you can hold a people down through legalized discrimination, systemic neglect, and arbitrary justice that claims it doesn't see color but so clearly does in practice.

Look at all the people attacked immediately after September 11, 2001, and still today, because they look Muslim or are Muslim - or, more truthfully - for simply being brown. For not being white.

Look at the increased attacks on Mexican-Americans and Dreamers. An already existing bias nurtured into hate because of misplaced anger.

Look at the continued attacks on black men, women, and children by law enforcement and the justice system.


The U.S. government committed various war crimes to include torturing people, and then got away with it. Many Americans cheered those crimes against humanity. Many still do. Far too many would like to forget it happened. Some want to treat it as an aberration that will never happen again - because we know better now. Yeah, well, we knew better before it happened and it still happened, so it can happen again, and when it does - not if - when...when it does, the same lies, the same rationalizations, and the same feel good sops will be heard again.


The increasing incidents of some Americans unleashing their anti-Semitism shouldn't shock or surprise anyone. It should anger them. It should disgust them. But if you're surprised or shocked, you haven't been paying attention.

Genocide can happen here - because it already has happened here. (For one example)

The rounding up and detention of citizens because they look like the enemy can happen here - because it has already happened here. See also - here

But we know better now, right? The Bush years weren't that long ago and we knew better before his administration began torturing and rounding up people.

But America is different, right? A nation that tortures people is no different from any other nation that has tortured people. The only possible difference would be in the accountability - the justice given to the victims by jailing the guilty. Otherwise...

Charlottesville isn't an example of a nation that knows better. Nazis proudly marching on the street - intimidating people at a synagogue - Jewish people who could not rely on local police for protection against an invading force of Nazis and assorted other pieces of garbage who were intent on causing harm.

The deaths of African-Americans by law enforcement isn't an example of a nation that knows better. The list is long and the protest are still going on against the brutality African-Americans face at the hands of those who are supposed to protect and serve. And they can't look to the federal government for help either.

Neither can Jewish people. We have a president that hugs Nazis and a DOJ/AG who would love to see more people of color murdered in the streets all the while patting the police on the back for a job well done.

It doesn't matter that it's not all Americans. It never has mattered that it's not all Americans - because the fact that's it's not all Americans engaged in acts of hate has never stopped a single act of violence fueled by hate. Just because it's not all Americans doesn't change the fear - the terror, really - and the uncertainty people live in because of the hate and violence directed at people of color, at Jewish people, at Muslims, at women - for simply existing.

At the LGBT people who have lived with, and still live with, legalized discrimination and the threat of violence to their person for simply existing.


Yes, it can happen here. Because knowing better and doing better aren't the same thing. Because knowing better but doing nothing about it is acceptance. Because knowing better but pretending the violence and hate (by government and individuals) is an aberration is denial - a denial that allows it all to continue. Allows it to get worse.


I'm not trying to offend people. I'm just sick of it all. Disgusted. Angry. Pissed at the deflecting rationalizations from people who want to pretend it isn't that bad for the victims of hate fueled violence. If you're waiting on the ovens before you get alarmed, you're part of the problem.







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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:44 AM

9. But Americans want to white wash our history

Which doesn't help. Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. Jackson and others committed genocide against Native Americans. The South sent an entire generation to kill, and die, to preserve the most inhumane of institutions. Many of our turn of the century industrialists like Rockefeller were Nazi sympathizers.

You are right, we have quietly lived with, and accepted, racism and race based oppression since our inception; our need to feel national pride and patriotism (which is useful to convince young men to go to war) allows racism to be a fact of American life.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 06:24 AM

10. I agree. Far too many people have been blinded to the obvious from staring into that so-called

"shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere" - buying into the hype instead of seeing the reality of the damage caused by hate/racism/bigotry in America.

During the Bush war crime years people would say, "but that's not America!" - Well, is American government doing it? Yes - then it's America.

No one is saying it can't get better, but it won't get better if people continue to cling to wishful thinking and clapping their hands while chanting, "I believe, I believe".

People aren't bound by their past but they also can't pretend it didn't happen. They can't pretend that bad actions don't have lasting consequences. They can't pretend believing or saying we are all equal makes it so. We have to fight each day to make it so. We can't give an inch and we can't pretend away the lasting damage caused by past hate/racism/discrimination/inequality/injustices.

You can't make it better be pretending it's a phase or a time of crazy or an aberration. Or even by saying well, it's not everyone.

You can't legislate away hate but you can legislate it into being costly and punishable by prison time when acted upon. Those who hate and act upon their hate should be the ones living in fear and not their victims. A person's racism shouldn't cost other people their job, their home, their very life.

You can educate against it instead of pretending that hate is simply another viewpoint.

You can educate against ignorance, which would go a long way into changing hate, but you can't do it if opinions are given the same weight as facts.

You can listen to the victims of hate and learn from them. Really listen. Don't discount what they go through. Don't attempt to explain away what happens to them by looking for a reason to blame the victim.

Trump is a symptom, and I fear people will breathe a sigh of relief once he is gone and then go right back to thinking it can't happen again.



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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:20 AM

7. Anti-semitic graffiti happens here all the time

 

This is nothing new, unfortunately.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:24 AM

8. Makes me think

about something that happened back in the 80's when I was in college. I was member of a "sorority" for music majors and we were planning on going to a nursing home and singing Christmas Carols for the residents. We met at a member's apartment to practice and the minute me and a good friend of mine arrived the husband of the girl who had invited us to their home, practically ran to another room, his wife said he didn't mean to be unfriendly, he was just uncomfortable around anyone that might not be Christian. I was such a naive small town white girl that I just figured he was afraid some of us single gals might not be virgins, which would make him a sick enough piece of work, but much later it dawned on my that iit was really because my friend, a 5' tall, 100 lb saxophone player, was Jewish. She had no reaction that I saw except me and her sharing a glance that said " that guy is fucked up!" But she had to know more than I did what the problem was.

Beth's religion didn't keep her from wanting to do something nice for elderly people, but that guy's extremist mentality made him hate her. I was too sheltered to know that that kind of Nazi shit was alive and well in this country then. There is a high probability that he has adult kids now, who he raised with just as much hate as he had. His wife wasn't as bad but would have been obedient to him.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:02 PM

13. May I ask what college you attended and how you escaped?

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:18 PM

14. Regular public university

THe girl and her husband who were the religious freaks had transferred from Jerry Falwell's "Liberty" University because the husband decided to major in Engineering, which Liberty didn't have, at least back then.

The ironic thing is that nobody partied harder than at my school, the University of Kentucky (Go Blue!!!!!) back in the 80's, so I don't know how that guy ever left his apartment the sin was so thick, LOL. I'd bet the SOB didn't even like basketball.

I knew that anyone who had attended Liberty was most likely a religious nut who didn't consider females fully human, but back then I didn't know enough to connect that kind of oppressive Christianity to anti-semitism or racism.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 07:55 AM

11. It Can't Happen Here

Read this book. Published back in 1935. I read it many years ago. I have always believed it could happen here, just needed the right atmosphere of hate. we got it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here.

It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical 1935 political novel by American author Sinclair Lewis,[1] and a 1936 play adapted from the novel by Lewis and John C. Moffitt. Published during the rise of fascism in Europe, the novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a politician who defeats Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) and is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government and imposes a plutocratic/totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of Adolf Hitler and the SS. The novel's plot centers on journalist Doremus Jessup's opposition to the new regime and his subsequent struggle against it as part of a liberal rebellion. Reviewers at the time, and literary critics ever since, have emphasized the connection with Louisiana politician Huey Long,[2] who was preparing to run for president in the 1936 election when he was assassinated in 1935 just prior to the novel's publication.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:55 PM

12. Rich (mostly) white men's sense of entitlement & privilege has lasted for so long, it's entrenched.

It will be hard to uproot & they will whine & cry & make it awful for everyone in the process. That's what we're seeing with the current crop of business & political leaders. "I don't want to share. I don't want to be questioned on my behavior. These things have never happened to me before! Waahhh!" It's two year old temper tantrum on a national scale.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:32 PM

15. It can always happen anywhere

 

Nazis weren't somehow the only people capable of committing genocide or being racist. We all have the capacity for violence and evil within us.

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