I don't want to buy an online subscription to WaPo and NYT

[cyclonefence]

but I want to be able to read the articles posters mention here. Posters are generally good about posting the gist of the story when they refer to an article from one of these papers, not just posting the link, but I often am left wanting to know more. I am assuming most people here, like me, do not have online subscriptions.

I wonder if we could all chip in somehow and buy DU a subscription to WaPo and NYT? We could share the passwords and thus be able to participate better in discussions that arise from stuff printed in these papers.

Maybe it could be a benefit of the star membership, or maybe a "star-plus" membership?

[Blue_Adept]

1. You're such a taker

And as a content creator myself, a pox on that kind of approach.

If you want quality work, you have to pay for it. If not, your loss.

[cyclonefence]

21. Look, I'm a newspaper brat myself

My father spent his working life as an editor and columnist, and I'm not trying to cheat writers (which includes me--first published work under my own name coming out in November). I want DU to consider *buying* a communal subscription, which we members would subsidize.

[Blue_Adept]

25. With as much as a reader can get out of it and at just $8 a month

I have a hard time being in favor of a communal subscription for a service like this since all of it goes to help fund more quality reporting.

[Raine1967]

40. Complete agreement.

I posted something akin to this below.

[pnwmom]

71. A communal subscription for tens of thousands of readers? How do you think the NYTimes

and the WA Post would survive if everyone could find a "communal subscription" somewhere?

[COLGATE4]

2. You can sign on incognito and read the article(s) you are

interested in. WaPo is stingy; they only let you read three before they cut you off. The NYT is more forgiving. In either case, you only need log off and log back in incognito. Rinse and repeat.

[Control-Z]

39. If you're using your phone to read

and it's anything like mine (Galaxy S7), you don't even need to sign out. With the chrome browser just hold down on the link until the menu pops up. Select, open incognito window. Done.

[titaniumsalute]

3. No. Buy it. It is people's (journalists) work and you should pay for it

Just like music. If you listen to it you shouldn't steal it.

[AngryAmish]

14. Both are owned by two of the top ten richest people on earth.

Incognito.

[themaguffin]

19. If they weren't, the papers would not have the resources to be useful.

[AngryAmish]

28. Both are propaganda arms for billionaires

Then again marks insist they are not marks...

[themaguffin]

53. It's like you didn't even read my comment. Sigh. Ok then.

[Squinch]

66. Oh, FFS.

[cyclonefence]

22. I don't want it for free

I want DU to consider buying a community subscription that members could share and which members would pay for. I don't read either of those papers online often enough to justify my buying my own subscription. If I did, I would certainly pay for it myself. What I want is the equivalent of what I do in real life: that is, buy a WaPo or NYT as a single issue when there's something I'm interested in reading more about.

[titaniumsalute]

27. I doubt that is legal

What's to stop my neighborhood from a community subscription and then emailing each other the articles?

Come on dude.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Why Would It Be Different Than A Library?

Libraries pay for the subscription and anyone who signs up to use one of their computers can access whatever the library pays for.

They do it at our library, and i live in a pretty small city. (Around 6k)

[Ms. Toad]

67. Libraries Don"t buy an individual subscription.

They buy an institutional subscription, based on the size of the population served. The license terms dictate how that can be shared among library patrons. (E.g it might permit a certain number of terminals, it might permit remote access, etc.)

[Alice11111]

29. Hundreds of people Paying for 1 subscription...that's free

for most. Then, Facebook users or other large groups could chip in for 1 subscription to share. I don't think any newspaper would survive if they started that. It takes a lot of money to run a great, investigative reporting newspaper.

You get a lot of it free here anyway. Plus, you can get 4 articles per month free. Local newspapers share articles from both WaPo& NYT for free. That's already generous.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. That sounds like a reasonable idea.

If I were you, I'd post this in Ask the Administrators group. They're more likely to see it there.

Link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

[cyclonefence]

24. Thanks--I did that

[Demit]

5. You can open a Private Window in your browser & paste the URL into it.

[Ms. Toad]

6. That would violate at least the NYT license.

That access can't even legally be shared within a family.

[LAS14]

15. ??? Can't be shared within a family ????

But the whole family reads the paper version. I assume you mean across different computers, not reading off of the family computer. But even then... Where did you get this info?

[Ms. Toad]

26. The license I agreed to.

Please note, digital subscribers receiving the college rate or teacher rate and digital subscribers receiving access through a group subscription or a group pass are not eligible to share their access with a family member.

I have the educator rate.

People who pay full rate can share with one person.

[lamp_shade]

7. If you use chrome, right-click on the link and choose "new incognito window"

[saidsimplesimon]

8. No need to pay for it,

but if you become a daily reader of any online site, a contribution should be considered.

For the headlines, you can bypass the "wall" by using
http://www.news.msn.com

The link is not secure. If you can't trust Microsoft, then.....

[Agschmid]

9. No.

Paid content is paid content, and you can run around the license agreement like that.

Nor should you.

[A HERETIC I AM]

11. Agreed.

Not only do reporters deserve to be paid for their work, but there is a certain class of people that definitely can benefit from getting a real paper subscription;

The folks who work the printing presses.

[MyOwnPeace]

10. Same boat........

I'd love to read it all, but somebody has to pay for the reporter's work! If we don't support them, well, we'll only get what is not "fake news" (which is not "news" at all, but rather, what the "supreme leader" wants us to hear).

[cyclonefence]

37. I think I'm having a Great Depression-child's child problem

I'm from a newspaper family (the Charleston (WV) Gazette), and I want to pay for content, online or on paper. I read an actual paper paper every day; I have trouble reading a whole lot on a computer screen. But I want to read those stories.

Problem is, it seems wasteful somehow for me to subscribe when I won't use the service the way I use a paper paper. I won't read the whole thing online, and although it isn't very expensive, it seems wrong for me to do this just for myself.

Actually, I'd be happy to pay for an informal group subscription, if anybody wants to talk about that in DU mail. If say five of us share a subscription, that's one more subscription the paper would not otherwise have gained, and we would be able to read the whole story when a reference is posted.

[MyOwnPeace]

42. 33 year subscriber here......

and got "dumped" in April (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) because they must not have enough people around me to deliver. They did offer me a 2-month "on-line" rate but I'm "old school" - I want newsprint on my fingers and working the crossword puzzle with a pen (yeah, mess up and you're done!).

They had included a free on-line subscription to the WP with my own subscription so I had no trouble doing the links. But when they dumped me I lost it all.

I'm with 'ya - I'd gladly pay to keep reporters reporting in the manner that they were to be doing - free, independent REPORTING, advertisers, owners, and politicians be damned! Bring it to my door - I'll subscribe. On-line, well, again, I'm "old school" - but I'll consider something if it keeps them working/digging/independent!

[Pisces]

12. I pay because I value the journalism.

[Ms. Toad]

68. That's why I subscribed a few weeks ago.

And why we subscribe to the local paper. I want someone doing this investigative work, so I'm spending some money to support it - even though it is trivially easy to skate around the pay wall of an entity that permits a handful of free articles a month.

[spooky3]

13. Please support one of those orgs. WaPo's Sunday plus

Online subscription is very reasonably priced.

[Odoreida]

16. I'm with you.

I'll pay for books (on paper).

But not online anything.

Not news. Not movies. Not games.

Given away free or public domain is the way to go.

And if they have a script to detect ad-blockers, disable scripts too.

Fuk'm.

[white_wolf]

33. Why?

Shouldn't the people who made the games or movies be paid? I suppose for larger sites like the NY Times it might not be a big deal, but with games, especially indie, games the developers don't have a lot of money to lose. The same with a lot of smaller websites. I mean, I can't say I'm perfect on this. I exploit the incognito trick for WaPo and NY Times, but they're large enough that they can take the hit and still run ads.

[Odoreida]

47. Nothing on any website is worth the security exposure. n/t

[Madam45for2923]

17. Students, military and government workers with the email to prove it get WaPo free

Emails with .edu, gov & .mil !!

[zipplewrath]

18. Which paper do you get?

My local subscription gets me a free subscription to the Post because there is some corporate relationship there. If you have a newspaper subscription, see if it gets you any wider access.

[PoliticAverse]

20. You can get around the Washington Post paywall using google...

If someone posts a Washington Post article here just copy and past the title into google's search
engine and click on the link returned and you can see the whole article.

The Washington Post actually told people they can get around their paywall by doing that in this article:
About that Paywall
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/10/about-that-paywall

There are ways to get around the paywall. As the Post put it in its announcement of the news: “visitors who come to The Post through search engines or shared links will still be able to access the linked page regardless of the number of articles they have previously viewed.” That includes via Twitter.

Which you can see in its entirety by plugging the title "About that Paywall" into google and clicking the link returned:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=About+that+paywall

[left-of-center2012]

23. "I often am left wanting to know more"

And too often threads just have an OP subject title, with a WaPo link in the body.

[cyclonefence]

34. True, but after a couple of reminders

many if not most posters have been including a summary of what the article says, in addition to the link.

[Freethinker65]

31. Check if your local library has online access

I can access media subscriptions through a service our local library belongs to by logging on while at home

[SharonClark]

32. What happens when one of the DUers changes the password and locks everyone out?

[Cartoonist]

60. You hit it

Proposal aborted.

[Demsrule86]

35. I would do it...I too get the post.

[Raine1967]

36. Asking DU to do this is really crappy.

In the end, You get what you pay for.

I suggest supporting journalism and pay for at least a digital subscription if you don't live in the area of those two papers.

We go one step further. We have our local paper delivered every day. That paper happens to be the Washington Post.

When I lived in Atlanta, we had the AJC delivered.

Before that, When I lived in NY, I picked up the Times to read on my way into work.

Asking DU to do this is really rather unscrupulous. Instead of asking everyone to chip in and have DU do this, how about you spend a few bucks a month and support a free press while we still have it?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

38. I bought online subscriptions to both

because they'd started doing some real journalism again. Both newspapers have run some excellent articles and op-ed pieces about the Russia investigation, and I wanted to support that kind of work. We have to pay for paper copies; why not pay for electronic ones?

[Joe941]

41. Those sites should be free...

some of us just can't afford it.

[NobodyHere]

44. Who's going to pay the salaries of the reporter's then?

Or should they work for free?

[Demit]

52. The advertisers. You do know that that's where newspapers get the bulk of their $, right?

If newspapers had to depend on subscriptions for their operating income, they would cease to exist.

[Joe941]

70. the community should collectively pay.

[ksoze]

43. The suggestion to just share passwords is called theft

How do you think those papers deliver the product they do? Its as bad as copying software or stealing music.

[shanti]

45. Firefox private browsing

It works.

[Weekend Warrior]

46. Not possible as you have stated.

It's still a general concept worth thinking about. Blog tiered pricing. No sharing of passwords. Star members are simply ably to pass through. The algorithm would be extremely simple. Not sure about the pricing.

[crazycatlady]

48. Some public libraries offer subscriptions

See if yours does

[brooklynite]

49. Better yet, maybe we could ask the reporters and editors to work for FREE!

Personally, I've paid for a 7-day subscription to the Times since 1977. I also have paid subscriptions to the Washington Post, New York Daily News and the Guardian.

[crazycatlady]

50. Also since Bezos owns Wapo, I believe 6 months is included with Amazon Prime

[NurseJackie]

51. If the link comes from a page on google.com the WaPo paywall doesn't appear...

... so find the story on Google then click the WaPo link and you're in! (Or you may find the same story presented elsewhere on an non-paywall site.)

[jberryhill]

54. Here is what you do

It's pretty clear that you don't understand the obvious legal and technical flaws in what you are suggesting.

But notwithstanding that, there is a simple, and legal, workaround.

1. You take the headline of the article.

2. You go to News.Google.com.

3. You paste it there and hit search.

4. You click on the headline and read.

Doing it that way solves your problem, and also solves the newspaper's problem, since you'll get an ad or two that do not show up for the paid version. The newspaper publishers worked this out with Google a while back. Use it.

[mucifer]

55. FYI I subscribe to WaPo and they let you share the subscription with one other person

I think it's very reasonable. My brother shares The Atlantic with me. They have a similar thing going. I share the WaPo with him.
If you do that legally with someone you can split the price with the other person.

[ginnyinWI]

56. Do you subscribe to any other paper?

If so, even a digital subscription, check to see if they partner with WaPo. We subscribe to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, and they partner with WaPo, so after verification, we are not getting WaPo thrown in for free. MJS is cheaper, so it's a real bargain.

[cyclonefence]

57. My subscription to the Philadelphia Inquirer doesn't include any other online subscriptions

but I've decided to go ahead and pay for the NYT and WaPo online. Anybody who wants to share my subscription, let me know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Somebody has to pay them.

[cwydro]

59. Have you ever heard of a library?

No doubt there's one in your town.

Use it. Smh.

[cyclonefence]

61. Oh my glob

I asked a question. I did not say I didn't want these online editions to be paid for. I posted repeatedly that income from a newspaper is what allowed my family to exist. I never *once* asked for a way to get these services without paying for them. And I didn't see any posts from you expressing "SMH" to all the people who posted ways to get around the paywalls--which btw is something I would never do.

Have you ever heard of civility?

[cwydro]

63. Oh dear.

Thin skinned?

Go pull a couple bucks out of your wallet and buy a paper.

Or read the online version, you get 10 stories free from the NYTimes.

I buy the paper every day, and sometimes I don't read the whole thing. I guess I should add up how many dimes I lost with any story not read. Too funny.

I do hope your day goes better.

[cyclonefence]

64. Whoa

I am bowled over by your charm. God bless your little heart.

[cwydro]

65. Lol.

Whining over the cost of a paper. Seriously, dude?

Things that make you go hmmm.

[dembotoz]

62. Buy subscription..I bought one..it's worth it

[bluepen]

69. If you have an iOS device, there is a way to see all articles.

Not sure if it would be in violation of some rule here, so I’ll just say if you Google it there are lots of sites that show how. It’s easy, and it’s NYT’s and WaPo’s “glitch.”

[redstateblues]

72. I subscribed to the NYT because Trump hates it

It is one way I'm resisting. I really enjoy it as well

[cyclonefence]

73. Me too

The thought that more success for the WaPo would enrage Trump pushed me over the line to a paid subscription.