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Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:50 PM

I don't want to buy an online subscription to WaPo and NYT

but I want to be able to read the articles posters mention here. Posters are generally good about posting the gist of the story when they refer to an article from one of these papers, not just posting the link, but I often am left wanting to know more. I am assuming most people here, like me, do not have online subscriptions.

I wonder if we could all chip in somehow and buy DU a subscription to WaPo and NYT? We could share the passwords and thus be able to participate better in discussions that arise from stuff printed in these papers.

Maybe it could be a benefit of the star membership, or maybe a "star-plus" membership?

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Reply I don't want to buy an online subscription to WaPo and NYT (Original post)
cyclonefence Sep 2017 OP
Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #1
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #21
Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #25
Raine1967 Sep 2017 #40
pnwmom Sep 2017 #71
COLGATE4 Sep 2017 #2
Control-Z Sep 2017 #39
titaniumsalute Sep 2017 #3
AngryAmish Sep 2017 #14
themaguffin Sep 2017 #19
AngryAmish Sep 2017 #28
themaguffin Sep 2017 #53
Squinch Sep 2017 #66
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #22
titaniumsalute Sep 2017 #27
ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #30
Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #67
Alice11111 Sep 2017 #29
CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2017 #4
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #24
Demit Sep 2017 #5
Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #6
LAS14 Sep 2017 #15
Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #26
lamp_shade Sep 2017 #7
saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #8
Agschmid Sep 2017 #9
A HERETIC I AM Sep 2017 #11
MyOwnPeace Sep 2017 #10
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #37
MyOwnPeace Sep 2017 #42
Pisces Sep 2017 #12
Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #68
spooky3 Sep 2017 #13
Odoreida Sep 2017 #16
white_wolf Sep 2017 #33
Odoreida Sep 2017 #47
Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #17
zipplewrath Sep 2017 #18
PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #20
left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #23
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #34
Freethinker65 Sep 2017 #31
SharonClark Sep 2017 #32
Cartoonist Sep 2017 #60
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #35
Raine1967 Sep 2017 #36
The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #38
Joe941 Sep 2017 #41
NobodyHere Sep 2017 #44
Demit Sep 2017 #52
Joe941 Sep 2017 #70
ksoze Sep 2017 #43
shanti Sep 2017 #45
Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #46
crazycatlady Sep 2017 #48
brooklynite Sep 2017 #49
crazycatlady Sep 2017 #50
NurseJackie Sep 2017 #51
jberryhill Sep 2017 #54
mucifer Sep 2017 #55
ginnyinWI Sep 2017 #56
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #57
DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #58
cwydro Sep 2017 #59
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #61
cwydro Sep 2017 #63
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #64
cwydro Sep 2017 #65
dembotoz Sep 2017 #62
bluepen Sep 2017 #69
redstateblues Sep 2017 #72
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #73

Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:53 PM

1. You're such a taker

And as a content creator myself, a pox on that kind of approach.

If you want quality work, you have to pay for it. If not, your loss.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:24 PM

21. Look, I'm a newspaper brat myself

My father spent his working life as an editor and columnist, and I'm not trying to cheat writers (which includes me--first published work under my own name coming out in November). I want DU to consider *buying* a communal subscription, which we members would subsidize.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:34 PM

25. With as much as a reader can get out of it and at just $8 a month

I have a hard time being in favor of a communal subscription for a service like this since all of it goes to help fund more quality reporting.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:49 PM

40. Complete agreement.

I posted something akin to this below.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:20 PM

71. A communal subscription for tens of thousands of readers? How do you think the NYTimes

and the WA Post would survive if everyone could find a "communal subscription" somewhere?

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:54 PM

2. You can sign on incognito and read the article(s) you are

interested in. WaPo is stingy; they only let you read three before they cut you off. The NYT is more forgiving. In either case, you only need log off and log back in incognito. Rinse and repeat.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:43 PM

39. If you're using your phone to read

and it's anything like mine (Galaxy S7), you don't even need to sign out. With the chrome browser just hold down on the link until the menu pops up. Select, open incognito window. Done.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:55 PM

3. No. Buy it. It is people's (journalists) work and you should pay for it

Just like music. If you listen to it you shouldn't steal it.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:12 PM

14. Both are owned by two of the top ten richest people on earth.

 

Incognito.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:24 PM

19. If they weren't, the papers would not have the resources to be useful.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:48 PM

28. Both are propaganda arms for billionaires

 

Then again marks insist they are not marks...

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:44 AM

53. It's like you didn't even read my comment. Sigh. Ok then.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #28)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:21 AM

66. Oh, FFS.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:27 PM

22. I don't want it for free

I want DU to consider buying a community subscription that members could share and which members would pay for. I don't read either of those papers online often enough to justify my buying my own subscription. If I did, I would certainly pay for it myself. What I want is the equivalent of what I do in real life: that is, buy a WaPo or NYT as a single issue when there's something I'm interested in reading more about.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:47 PM

27. I doubt that is legal

What's to stop my neighborhood from a community subscription and then emailing each other the articles?

Come on dude.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:54 PM

30. Why Would It Be Different Than A Library?

Libraries pay for the subscription and anyone who signs up to use one of their computers can access whatever the library pays for.

They do it at our library, and i live in a pretty small city. (Around 6k)

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:23 AM

67. Libraries Don"t buy an individual subscription.

They buy an institutional subscription, based on the size of the population served. The license terms dictate how that can be shared among library patrons. (E.g it might permit a certain number of terminals, it might permit remote access, etc.)

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:53 PM

29. Hundreds of people Paying for 1 subscription...that's free

for most. Then, Facebook users or other large groups could chip in for 1 subscription to share. I don't think any newspaper would survive if they started that. It takes a lot of money to run a great, investigative reporting newspaper.

You get a lot of it free here anyway. Plus, you can get 4 articles per month free. Local newspapers share articles from both WaPo& NYT for free. That's already generous.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:55 PM

4. That sounds like a reasonable idea.

If I were you, I'd post this in Ask the Administrators group. They're more likely to see it there.

Link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:31 PM

24. Thanks--I did that

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:55 PM

5. You can open a Private Window in your browser & paste the URL into it.

 

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:56 PM

6. That would violate at least the NYT license.

That access can't even legally be shared within a family.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:12 PM

15. ??? Can't be shared within a family ????

But the whole family reads the paper version. I assume you mean across different computers, not reading off of the family computer. But even then... Where did you get this info?

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:35 PM

26. The license I agreed to.

Please note, digital subscribers receiving the college rate or teacher rate and digital subscribers receiving access through a group subscription or a group pass are not eligible to share their access with a family member.


I have the educator rate.

People who pay full rate can share with one person.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:56 PM

7. If you use chrome, right-click on the link and choose "new incognito window"

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:59 PM

8. No need to pay for it,

but if you become a daily reader of any online site, a contribution should be considered.

For the headlines, you can bypass the "wall" by using
http://www.news.msn.com

The link is not secure. If you can't trust Microsoft, then.....

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:00 PM

9. No.

Paid content is paid content, and you can run around the license agreement like that.

Nor should you.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:05 PM

11. Agreed.

Not only do reporters deserve to be paid for their work, but there is a certain class of people that definitely can benefit from getting a real paper subscription;

The folks who work the printing presses.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:02 PM

10. Same boat........

I'd love to read it all, but somebody has to pay for the reporter's work! If we don't support them, well, we'll only get what is not "fake news" (which is not "news" at all, but rather, what the "supreme leader" wants us to hear).

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:32 PM

37. I think I'm having a Great Depression-child's child problem

I'm from a newspaper family (the Charleston (WV) Gazette), and I want to pay for content, online or on paper. I read an actual paper paper every day; I have trouble reading a whole lot on a computer screen. But I want to read those stories.

Problem is, it seems wasteful somehow for me to subscribe when I won't use the service the way I use a paper paper. I won't read the whole thing online, and although it isn't very expensive, it seems wrong for me to do this just for myself.

Actually, I'd be happy to pay for an informal group subscription, if anybody wants to talk about that in DU mail. If say five of us share a subscription, that's one more subscription the paper would not otherwise have gained, and we would be able to read the whole story when a reference is posted.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:17 PM

42. 33 year subscriber here......

and got "dumped" in April (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) because they must not have enough people around me to deliver. They did offer me a 2-month "on-line" rate but I'm "old school" - I want newsprint on my fingers and working the crossword puzzle with a pen (yeah, mess up and you're done!).

They had included a free on-line subscription to the WP with my own subscription so I had no trouble doing the links. But when they dumped me I lost it all.

I'm with 'ya - I'd gladly pay to keep reporters reporting in the manner that they were to be doing - free, independent REPORTING, advertisers, owners, and politicians be damned! Bring it to my door - I'll subscribe. On-line, well, again, I'm "old school" - but I'll consider something if it keeps them working/digging/independent!

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:06 PM

12. I pay because I value the journalism.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:29 AM

68. That's why I subscribed a few weeks ago.

And why we subscribe to the local paper. I want someone doing this investigative work, so I'm spending some money to support it - even though it is trivially easy to skate around the pay wall of an entity that permits a handful of free articles a month.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:09 PM

13. Please support one of those orgs. WaPo's Sunday plus

Online subscription is very reasonably priced.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:13 PM

16. I'm with you.

I'll pay for books (on paper).

But not online anything.

Not news. Not movies. Not games.

Given away free or public domain is the way to go.

And if they have a script to detect ad-blockers, disable scripts too.

Fuk'm.

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Response to Odoreida (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:22 PM

33. Why?

Shouldn't the people who made the games or movies be paid? I suppose for larger sites like the NY Times it might not be a big deal, but with games, especially indie, games the developers don't have a lot of money to lose. The same with a lot of smaller websites. I mean, I can't say I'm perfect on this. I exploit the incognito trick for WaPo and NY Times, but they're large enough that they can take the hit and still run ads.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:20 AM

47. Nothing on any website is worth the security exposure. n/t



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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:14 PM

17. Students, military and government workers with the email to prove it get WaPo free

 

Emails with .edu, gov & .mil !!

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:20 PM

18. Which paper do you get?

My local subscription gets me a free subscription to the Post because there is some corporate relationship there. If you have a newspaper subscription, see if it gets you any wider access.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:24 PM

20. You can get around the Washington Post paywall using google...

If someone posts a Washington Post article here just copy and past the title into google's search
engine and click on the link returned and you can see the whole article.

The Washington Post actually told people they can get around their paywall by doing that in this article:
About that Paywall
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/10/about-that-paywall

There are ways to get around the paywall. As the Post put it in its announcement of the news: “visitors who come to The Post through search engines or shared links will still be able to access the linked page regardless of the number of articles they have previously viewed.” That includes via Twitter.

Which you can see in its entirety by plugging the title "About that Paywall" into google and clicking the link returned:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=About+that+paywall



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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:28 PM

23. "I often am left wanting to know more"

And too often threads just have an OP subject title, with a WaPo link in the body.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:22 PM

34. True, but after a couple of reminders

many if not most posters have been including a summary of what the article says, in addition to the link.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:57 PM

31. Check if your local library has online access

I can access media subscriptions through a service our local library belongs to by logging on while at home

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:11 PM

32. What happens when one of the DUers changes the password and locks everyone out?

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:11 AM

60. You hit it

Proposal aborted.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:28 PM

35. I would do it...I too get the post.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:30 PM

36. Asking DU to do this is really crappy.

In the end, You get what you pay for.

I suggest supporting journalism and pay for at least a digital subscription if you don't live in the area of those two papers.

We go one step further. We have our local paper delivered every day. That paper happens to be the Washington Post.

When I lived in Atlanta, we had the AJC delivered.

Before that, When I lived in NY, I picked up the Times to read on my way into work.

Asking DU to do this is really rather unscrupulous. Instead of asking everyone to chip in and have DU do this, how about you spend a few bucks a month and support a free press while we still have it?

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:35 PM

38. I bought online subscriptions to both

because they'd started doing some real journalism again. Both newspapers have run some excellent articles and op-ed pieces about the Russia investigation, and I wanted to support that kind of work. We have to pay for paper copies; why not pay for electronic ones?

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:16 PM

41. Those sites should be free...

 

some of us just can't afford it.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #41)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:41 PM

44. Who's going to pay the salaries of the reporter's then?

 

Or should they work for free?

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:43 AM

52. The advertisers. You do know that that's where newspapers get the bulk of their $, right?

 

If newspapers had to depend on subscriptions for their operating income, they would cease to exist.

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:15 PM

70. the community should collectively pay.

 

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:24 PM

43. The suggestion to just share passwords is called theft

How do you think those papers deliver the product they do? Its as bad as copying software or stealing music.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:43 PM

45. Firefox private browsing

It works.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 05:50 PM

46. Not possible as you have stated.

 

It's still a general concept worth thinking about. Blog tiered pricing. No sharing of passwords. Star members are simply ably to pass through. The algorithm would be extremely simple. Not sure about the pricing.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:23 AM

48. Some public libraries offer subscriptions

See if yours does

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:28 AM

49. Better yet, maybe we could ask the reporters and editors to work for FREE!

Personally, I've paid for a 7-day subscription to the Times since 1977. I also have paid subscriptions to the Washington Post, New York Daily News and the Guardian.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:32 AM

50. Also since Bezos owns Wapo, I believe 6 months is included with Amazon Prime

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:34 AM

51. If the link comes from a page on google.com the WaPo paywall doesn't appear...

... so find the story on Google then click the WaPo link and you're in! (Or you may find the same story presented elsewhere on an non-paywall site.)

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:48 AM

54. Here is what you do

 


It's pretty clear that you don't understand the obvious legal and technical flaws in what you are suggesting.

But notwithstanding that, there is a simple, and legal, workaround.

1. You take the headline of the article.

2. You go to News.Google.com.

3. You paste it there and hit search.

4. You click on the headline and read.

Doing it that way solves your problem, and also solves the newspaper's problem, since you'll get an ad or two that do not show up for the paid version. The newspaper publishers worked this out with Google a while back. Use it.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:51 AM

55. FYI I subscribe to WaPo and they let you share the subscription with one other person

I think it's very reasonable. My brother shares The Atlantic with me. They have a similar thing going. I share the WaPo with him.
If you do that legally with someone you can split the price with the other person.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:57 AM

56. Do you subscribe to any other paper?

If so, even a digital subscription, check to see if they partner with WaPo. We subscribe to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, and they partner with WaPo, so after verification, we are not getting WaPo thrown in for free. MJS is cheaper, so it's a real bargain.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:04 AM

57. My subscription to the Philadelphia Inquirer doesn't include any other online subscriptions

but I've decided to go ahead and pay for the NYT and WaPo online. Anybody who wants to share my subscription, let me know.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:05 AM

58. Somebody has to pay them.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:07 AM

59. Have you ever heard of a library?

No doubt there's one in your town.

Use it. Smh.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #59)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:19 AM

61. Oh my glob

I asked a question. I did not say I didn't want these online editions to be paid for. I posted repeatedly that income from a newspaper is what allowed my family to exist. I never *once* asked for a way to get these services without paying for them. And I didn't see any posts from you expressing "SMH" to all the people who posted ways to get around the paywalls--which btw is something I would never do.

Have you ever heard of civility?

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:24 AM

63. Oh dear.

Thin skinned?

Go pull a couple bucks out of your wallet and buy a paper.

Or read the online version, you get 10 stories free from the NYTimes.

I buy the paper every day, and sometimes I don't read the whole thing. I guess I should add up how many dimes I lost with any story not read. Too funny.

I do hope your day goes better.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #63)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:33 AM

64. Whoa

I am bowled over by your charm. God bless your little heart.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:36 AM

65. Lol.

Whining over the cost of a paper. Seriously, dude?

Things that make you go hmmm.

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:23 AM

62. Buy subscription..I bought one..it's worth it

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:39 AM

69. If you have an iOS device, there is a way to see all articles.

Not sure if it would be in violation of some rule here, so I’ll just say if you Google it there are lots of sites that show how. It’s easy, and it’s NYT’s and WaPo’s “glitch.”

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Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:20 PM

72. I subscribed to the NYT because Trump hates it

It is one way I'm resisting. I really enjoy it as well

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:23 PM

73. Me too

The thought that more success for the WaPo would enrage Trump pushed me over the line to a paid subscription.

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