The FBI says as many as 39 states had their voting systems scanned or targeted by Russia.

[kpete]

Link to tweet

http://amp.usatoday.com/story/666020001/

[Pachamama]

1. Nyet....just a little Russian tourists exploring the USA

[wiggs]

2. An attack this administration denies happened. Dereliction of duty. nt

[global1]

3. How Many Of These States Are/Were Under Repug Control

Does this targeting only involve states under Repug control.

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. I'd like to see the correlation myself.

[raven mad]

13. It's not just the states. It's the machines.

While Diebold has received the most attention, it actually isn’t the biggest maker of computerized election machines. That honor goes to Omaha-based ES&S, and its Republican roots may be even stronger than Diebold’s.

The firm, which is privately held, began as a company called Data Mark, which was founded in the early 1980s by Bob and Todd Urosevich. In 1984, brothers William and Robert Ahmanson bought a 68 percent stake in Data Mark, and changed the company’s name to American Information Services (AIS). Then, in 1987, McCarthy & Co, an Omaha investment group, acquired a minority share in AIS.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/03/diebolds-political-machine/

[Amaryllis]

38. I was reading a lot of things like that before the 2004 election which is why i was not surprised

when they stole it.

[Botany]

4. 6/13/17 Russian Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

[L. Coyote]

5. Some people are about 16 years late to this party.

[Old Vet]

7. I was thinking the same thing, Problem was 45 didnt even try to hide alot of it........

Man I sure hope 45 gets what is coming to him so fucking bad......

[Hekate]

10. No kidding, Coyote

We had a front-row seat here at DU. It was a big part of my education.

(GNU Andy Stephenson, and RIP)

[Amaryllis]

24. Me too. That was what got me involved in DU.

Never forget watching the red shift on election night. Saw the same thing in 2016, and said to my friends, "I've seen this before. THey stole it again." I was not one of those people who was sure Hillary would win. Too much hacking and Russia stuff ahead of the election. So it was of course a big disappointment but not a surprise. Just like in 2004.

[bullimiami]

29. Cleland 2002.

[Amaryllis]

34. Yes.

[WhiteTara]

30. After the Comey statement

I knew we were totally screwn. I'm still sick to my stomach.

[hamsterjill]

11. Amen to this!

n/t

[MrsCoffee]

6. K&R

[Golden Raisin]

8. And I'll bet 2018 and 2020

are already targeted and vulnerable to repeat performances. Between gerrymandering, homegrown election rigging/manipulation and "Russification" I am very doubtful about "throwing the bums out" in the upcoming elections. Election integrity is crucial. The Russians know it. The drastic dimensions of what happened in 2016 are still not fully appreciated or understood by many in the USA.

[Maraya1969]

43. We need lawyers to present this evidence to their respective courts and demand paper ballots

[hamsterjill]

12. So I'm supposed to believe

That Russia "scanned or targeted" voting systems in 39 states, but not one vote was manipulated by Russia in the General Election, and that Trump actually won?

Come on!!! I've got some ocean front property in Arizona that I'd love to sell.

The election was hacked and Heir Trumpenmeister is an illegitimate president.

[BadgerMom]

15. This

[RandomAccess]

17. I certainly don't, not after reading the following article

Altho I will say that it's not like we've not had stolen elections thanks to those damn machines prior to this, so I don't know if it was the Russians or the Republicans, but SOMEBODY did this:

PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

[Amaryllis]

25. Yep, we are all supposed to believe that becasue the party line is no vote totals were changed.

Don't have to change them if you prevent them from being either cast or counted .

[Eko]

27. From what I understand

the voting machines are not hooked up to the internet, so they cant be hacked that way. In person, yes, but not otherwise. Now voter databases being tampered with, yes. Change party affiliation, mark someone dead, change their address. Probably was done. That being said the votes wouldn't be altered, just the ability to vote. Bad also.

[SoCalMusicLover]

31. This Is 100% Wrong!

The machines have to upload their data results, and there is definitely an internet connection between them and the central tabulators.

This article explains: https://www.verifiedvoting.org/which-voting-machines-can-be-hacked-through-the-internet/

[Amaryllis]

36. Also they can have malware installed prior to the election that can alter the votes.

[hamsterjill]

40. This is where my concern lies.

Some company manufacturers the voting machine and installs software or operating system whatever the heck you want to call it. That installation could be where the hacks actually occur.

Think they might have Kaspersky virus protection?

[Eko]

37. From your link.

"To hack a voting machine remotely, you might think it has to be plugged in to the Internet. Most voting machines are never plugged directly into the Internet. But all voting machines must accept electronic input files from other computers: these “ballot definition files” tell the vote-counting program which candidates are on the ballot. These files are transferred to the voting machine, before each election, by inserting a cartridge or memory card into the voting machine. These cartridges are prepared on an Election Management System (EMS) computer. If that computer is hacked, then it can prepare fraudulent ballot-definition cartridges. Are those EMS computers ever connected to the Internet? Most of them probably are, from time to time; it’s hard to tell for sure, given the equivocations of many election administrators."

doesn't sound 100% wrong at all. Maybe some? Maybe none? Maybe they are plugged in to update and then a secure scan is done to check for malware? Its hard to tell for sure.

[Eko]

39. Your link also said nothing about

the voting machines having a internet connection between them and the central tabulators. Not that this doesn't happen, I certainly don't know everything but not presenting any evidence for it leads me to doubt it.

[BigmanPigman]

14. 45 puts all of his efforts and $ to prevent fair voting (ACA Koboch)

but nothing to stop Russia or gerrymandering.

[47of74]

16. I think voter selection/electoral fraud should be punishable by death

I’m serious. I think it should be considered as serious a crime as treason.

[ProudLib72]

21. Considering that it means 32 million without healthcare

Yeah, I would agree with you. Not to mention it does actually fit the definition of treason.

[47of74]

22. Plus the wrong person, put in through cheating, could lead to worldwide nuclear war.

Like what might very well happen thanks to Donald Dumbfornicate.

[CottonBear]

18. GA SoS, Brian Kemp (R), dismissed previous reports as "fake news."

Last edited Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Surprise, surprise, surprise, He's running for Governor of Georgia while (supposedly) working as Secretary of State to guarantee fair elections using our statewide, 100% Diebold machines.

[Achilleaze]

19. Investigate, prosecute, incarcerate russian-republican TreasonWeasels

who have betrayed America and American democracy.

[dalton99a]

20. Kick.

[Delmette2.0]

23. Is there a list of the 39 states?

[broadcaster90210]

26. Our government is illigitmate across the board

We need a new system. Completely. What we have needs to be torn down and rebuilt. If we accept this illigitimate government, we get what we deserve.

[SoCalMusicLover]

28. Explain Why Voting Matters

I've been attacked for saying that there is little reason to bother voting, or even supporting the political process, when there is absolutely no reason to trust the validity of the election results.

If machines can and probably have FIXED several elections in my lifetime, what real point is there? And when the Democratic party just sits by and allows it to happen, why should they be supported? They're as guilty as the ones STEALING the elections. At best they're a pathetic Charlie Brown to the repubs Lucy and her football.

[Thrill]

32. Trump was installed as President by the Russians

[riderinthestorm]

33. I have zero doubt all 50 states were compromised and the voting was tampered with

We just don't have confirmation yet but I'm absolutely certain of it.

[hamsterjill]

41. I feel the same way.

n/t

[LenaBaby61]

35. The FBI says as many as 39 states had their voting systems scanned or targeted by Russia.

But, but, but OP ....

There was a poster yesterday who said such talk was hopeless and HOGWASH, and that NO votes were changed by the ruskies.

Oh, and that Bernie would have beaten tRumputin EASILY.

[garybeck]

42. Problem with the headline of the article

Paper ballots are not enough. Without random audits paper ballots accomplish nothing

[Madam45for2923]

44. So we are talking about 39 States, not 21. Hmmm numbers increasing...