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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTalk about women's hormones if you want. But unhappy, angry men are the deadliest weapon on Earth
How many women have carried out mass shootings? Just asking. For a friend, you know.
Testosterone is the most effective solvent for human brain tissue. Just a drop or two can render a perfectly functional human cortex completely stupid. As evidence, I offer all of human history.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)and with so men many taking steroids, it's magnified.
murielm99
(30,717 posts)However, I see some older men with it, some who should be long past all that nonsense.
Maybe by the time they are old farts, serving on small town school boards, library boards and county boards, they have just devolved to the level of pissing contestants. We have to elect Democrats at these levels, too. It would help change the direction of many of our counties and states. I say this as a long time resident of a rural area.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)men have a drop in testosterone as they age, and so taking testosterone supplements is a vital necessity for them. Arrggghhhh!
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Just ask any cop involved in a domestic dispute.
CousinIT
(9,218 posts). . .
If it sounds familiar that a gunman in a mass shooting would have a history of domestic violence, it should.
In February, Cedric Ford shot 17 people at his Kansas workplace, killing three, only 90 minutes after being served with a restraining order sought by his ex-girlfriend, who said he had abused her. And Man Haron Monis, who holed up with hostages for 17 hours in a cafe in Sydney, Australia, in 2014, an episode that left two people dead and four wounded, had terrorized his ex-wife. He had threatened to harm her if she left him, and was eventually charged with organizing her murder.
When Everytown for Gun Safety, a gun control group, analyzed F.B.I. data on mass shootings from 2009 to 2015, it found that 57 percent of the cases included a spouse, former spouse or other family member among the victims and that 16 percent of the attackers had previously been charged with domestic violence.
Social scientists have not settled on an explanation for this correlation, but their research reveals striking parallels between the factors that drive the two phenomena.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)and then he went on a killing spree.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)regarding men killed by women vs women killed by men in these "domestic disputes".
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hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)in all its many forms..
Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)Response to CousinIT (Original post)
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HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I'm an educated white male and that fact, that I am properly educated, allows me to control my testosterone.
Good education could, by itself, solve many of this Country's problems.
thbobby
(1,474 posts)Women politicians may be smarter and work together better than men.
But men in politics are better at promoting capitalism. Wars are SO PROFITABLE!
Who wants peace when we can have a few rich men? Men rule! (sarcasm).
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Hekate
(90,556 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)but it seems like your feelings might be hurt.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Kinda seems like the entire OP is about hurt feelings, unless there's some other justification for such a ridiculous broad brush attack.
maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)If you don't like the Broad Brush, alert on it. Broad Brush attacks are against DU rules, no?
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Another is just to point out how narrow minded broad brush attacks are.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)obviously not all men are violent, but some of us are of the opinion that there is still far too much violence and threat of violence in this world, and the truth is that men are responsible for the vast majority of it. for some reason though, no one is ever supposed to say this; IMO, denial just prevents any solution from being found.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)So why stop with gender? We can certainly start parsing out other classes as well and claiming they are responsible for their disproportionate shares.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)This is not too far from racists who claim that there is something innate in black people that makes them more prone to violence and then bring up American crime stats to make their point.
I agree that there are cultural issues that make mass shootings more likely to occur and that these cultural problems seem to disproportionately impact men, but I don't see this as something that is inherent in men. You don't see non-American men committing mass shootings as often as American men so that tells me it is a cultural issue and not an inherently biological one.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)Domestic violence
Rape
Child sexual abuse
Shootings
Not to mention even things like city council meetings.
It is nearly always men who have this behavior. In fact, the only women I can think of behaving badly were at city council meetings and they were teamed with their husband who did most of the yelling.
Then there are the policy decision where the men in control gladly promulgate policies that badly affect women and children.
I personally know probably hundreds of men who have behaved this way. Long lifetime, I grant you, but I only know one woman who was a shooter and she shot her husband after he beat her.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You seem so oppressed. I hope you don't get hysterical or overly-emotional about this, but it seems you are.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)I'd just as soon not play if it's all the same to you.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)We are so oppressed! Stop picking on us!
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Do you want to be associated with loony conservative women? Why antagonize liberal men who might actually agree with you on policy like gun control?
Of course there are female mass shooters and terrorists, especially in other countries in the Middle East or Africa.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)America definitely has a lot of issues!
On a completely unrelated note, I've never owned any guns but I did have a Texan girlfriend who had several at home.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)Defect much?...Try again.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)I give up!
whathehell
(29,034 posts)A wise decision.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Bummer... because you really do look like a guy with a plan.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)numbers matter, especially when they are so obviously skewed one way. this is not about "alienating" anybody, it is about the need to recognize a problem so that it can be addressed.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Someone above suggest wine and chocolate, but alcohol and sugar might make it worse. Maybe yoga and meditation? A vegan diet? Puppies?
Squinch
(50,911 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)Unless you equate raising boys with less entitlement with castration.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)I wish you the best of luck with it.
I'm done here.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Women don't start wars ether
robbob
(3,522 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. In general I agree with your premise, it's just unfortunately human nature seems to lead all of us to some darker impulses.
Look what's happening in Myanmar under the leadership of Aung San Suu Kyi, a Nobel peace prize winner. Humans are tribal creatures who seem hell bent on the destruction of one another. Let hope as a collective species we wake up before it's too late.
delisen
(6,042 posts)British possession, The Falklands, after invasion ordered and carried out by Gen. Galtieri head of the military junta ruling Argentina.
The Falklanders did not welcome the invaders.
Between 900 to 1000 combatants on both sides were killed, most when their ships were sunk.
I don't see Margaret Thatcher as an example of absolute power. She engaged the opposition party in the decision to defend The Falklands.
I also do not see Aung San Suu Kyi as an example of absolute power. The military is still a major force in Myanmar.
LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)But when the criminals and leaders are white men, race and gender become the elephant in the room.
(snip)
If life were equitable, white male gun-rights advocates would face some serious questions to assess their degree of credibility and objectivity. We would expect them to explain:
What facets of white male culture create so many mass shootings?
Why are so many white men and boys producing and entertaining themselves with violent video games and other media?
Why do white men buy, sell and manufacture guns for profit; attend gun shows; and demonstrate for unrestricted gun access disproportionately more than people of other ethnicities or races?
Why are white male congressmen leading the fight against gun control?
If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers.
Vermijelli
(76 posts)Most definitions of "mass shooting" that I've seen don't require any imagining in this case.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)The "Conan the Barbarian" shit needs to STOP!
niyad
(113,055 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)In my experience with myself and a large number of others, most men have a lot of pent-up anger, resentment and fear. When young, we're taught (mostly by association) that men can't show emotion or overt anger, so that we appear in control at all times. That's at the heart of many of our issues. Further, we're expected to be on top of our game and to be leaders (daddy, captain, chief, etc.) at all times.
Sometimes, even for relatively young men, that pent-up stuff erupts and men do horrible acts - simply because they were not man enough to open up and talk through their inadequacies and fears, and they don't want to appear weak or in need. Many simply turn to alcohol or drugs as an escape.
By the time we're 50 or so, we've built-up this god-like ego inside ourselves that is ripe to be burst. Then, the hormones start to drop and sometimes depression begins. To make matters worse, energy and stamina levels drop, making it hard to get things done. Joints and muscles begin to weaken. Testosterone supplements are sometimes suggested, but can be very dangerous to use.
Not saying all this to gain sympathy as a man, as I'm quite familiar with the problems women go through as well. My main point is that as a society, we all need learn to drop our pride and ego and to open up dialog with each other at the very beginning of our issues. That can begin by seeing ourselves as equals.
lindysalsagal
(20,581 posts)If more men were like you, the world would be a far better place, and women would have far fewer complaints.
I think the high rate of re-marriage for men serves to support your theories. Maybe the next generation of men will have their own liberation movement some day.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)Humility and openness is the key. I had to learn about myself out of necessity, and I'm a very curious person. Also, because some of the ladies in my life were going through the change, I needed to learn about that, too!
It's enough that we have a percentage of our populace that are born psychopathic or psychotic (or develop these characteristics later in life). But, when we don't even understand our individual physical and mental natures, we shouldn't be surprised when someone in our life acts strangely or even commits a terrible act.
The big problem is lack of education and a lack of desire to learn. If both men and women had even a cursory understanding of the physical and mental nature of themselves and the opposite sex, we would have far fewer problems in society - and we would be far more open and kind to each other. I suspect this basic education should be required in our high schools.
I've learned that human hormonal and mental systems are extremely complex and difficult for us laymen to comprehend. However, I think our medical professionals could simplify those areas and provide us with educational materials the public could understand.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)and well said!
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I wanted 3 girls, but got 3 boys..
Our sons were all born within 5 years, so none really ever got the "precious son routine"for very long.. We also moved 5 times (IN-KS-CO-NM-CA) within that same 5 years ..(job related)..
Our young sons had to keep making new friends,, sometimes had to share rooms..and as they grew I insisted that they do their own "stuff"..like folding , putting their own laundry away..and as they got tall enough and could reach the knobs, their own laundry too..
They all helped in the kitchen and now their wives thank me They are all excellent cooks.. When they were teens each one had his own iron, and if they wanted something ironed...well they did it
Each one had his own special talents and we allowed them to find their own way..None of them were ever pressured to do what WE wanted for them..
They grew up to be gentle, kind, men.(although our oldest is feared by his subordinates because he is the boss, and does not suffer fools lightly)
raccoon
(31,105 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)A very wise post.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)Thank you for your compliment.
raccoon
(31,105 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)I have said this for many, many, many many many years (that's how old I am!).
People look for the "common denominator."
They all have brown skin? NO.
They all have white skin? NO.
They're all Republicans? NO.
They're all Democrats? Hell NO.
They're all Muslim? NO.
They're all Christian? NO.
They're all loners? NO.
They're all from broken families? NO.
They've all been treated for mental health issues? NO.
They're all on drugs? NO.
They all abuse women? NO.
They all follow a special diet, or have a rare allergy, or showed some mysterious sign nobody noticed in time?
Nope.
They're all 1) men, 2) with guns.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)I am seriously married to the most gentle man on earth. And when he gets angry, all bets are off.
ecstatic
(32,652 posts)Women buy guns too, but somehow manage not to initiate massacres (a woman helped in the San Bernadino massacre, but she was likely just standing by her man, not the mastermind).
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)He literally had no one outside of that.
His gf was said to be abused at a Starbucks, where he demanded to have his card, and said "You dont need my casino card for this. I'm paying for your drink, just like I'm paying for you": http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)But bring it up, and most people start calling you a manhater or something. But it is real. And dangerous. And deadly.
Almost every single mass shooter is male. Most are white. And all seem to have a history of DV and/or MRA behavior.
THUGS! Oh wait, no. They are gentle giants, a lone wolf, love Country and slow walks on the beach. They are misunderstood, and voted for Trump.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Women can do anything men can do but only the good things.
It's always those other people who are the problem. Everyone is constantly trying to distance themselves from mass shooters. No one wants to be associated with these killers.
"Other people" are the ones who get harassed and discriminated. Trump's people stay up late at night thinking how to define and punish "other people". It's disappointing to see supposedly smart liberals here engaging in "othering" as a solution to problems.
n. The process of perceiving or portraying someone or something as fundamentally different or alien.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)And a culture that promotes misogyny and violence. But you know what does absolutely nothing to help? These 'men are the bad ones m'kay' discussions.
You think any man who actually has these issues is going to here this stuff and go 'yeah, fair point'? All it achieves is to piss people off, and create yet another right wing caricature of the left where we all hate men.
We can discuss issues of culture and violent behavior without these sweeping judgements.
MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)white men usually carry out mass killings of the sort in Las Vegas..Newton, Conn.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:09 AM - Edit history (1)
and have limits on men's power, size, and capacity and require a wait list and background check before acquiring each man. Time to pass men control!
Conservative women might keep a man under her pillow for protection but she's delusional. Extremist/feminist women will use men to terrorize other women. What about the millions of women who enjoy using men for fun and sport? What about the women who just like to collect men and show them off to their friends?
bluepen
(620 posts)And then see the more nuanced story the stats tell. I know, stats and complete pictures dont make for emotional outbursts, but oh well.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls