Anyone who whines about socialism should give up their Medicare.

[raccoon]

I was talking to a elderly right-winger yesterday (nice guy, but right-wing and deluded). He said Obama was
leading the country into socialism. I said Medicare is socialism.

He just let that one go by.

Do they not see how hypocritical that is? It's like, "I deserve a national health plan, but other people don't."

Oh, and this is a Bob Jones grad. :sigh:

[BeyondGeography]

1. He's also getting back a lot more from SOCIAL Security than he paid in

Fodder for your next chat...

[Edweird]

2. That's what makes the whole "we didn't have the votes" crap such a huge lie.

The fact of the matter is that they want government healthcare for themselves. While they may begrudge others for getting the same thing for whatever reason, they will still be getting *theirs*.

[SoutherDem]

3. You hit the nail squarely on the head "I deserve a national health plan, but other people don't."

Sadly, that seems to be a real attitude of many. They really don't think they receive any benefits from the government. They think of Social Security and Medicare as something they paid into there for they paid for their benefits no different as if they were getting a check from a savings account they set up or and insurance policy.

As to things for those below their lot in life, they think they are floating the bill in full, how many have heard the "I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's heath care".

Also, they feel medicaid and welfare programs are full of fraud and freeloaders. I have heard claims of over 50% fraud while the truth is fraud is under 1%.

[GreenMask]

4. I think my Dad would...

My Dad would if he could. He's legally required to be on medicare, but would rather the insurance he had through Exxon. He would rather use medicare advantage than medicare, but there are restrictions on where he can go to the doctor (lives in Louisiana, sees docs in MD Anderson - can't under advantage).

Financially, it would be better for him, I think, to be under his old medical plan.

[Yavin4]

5. This Mindset Is An Out Growth Of Our Consumer Based Culture

Every business has to cater, pander, and pamper their customers. This has created a national sense of self-entitlement: "I deserve pampered service".

When we produced things, the opposite was true. We could see, touch, smell what we actually made. We had a better sense of what hard work meant, and we respected each other because of it.