Dems. will overreach on the Mitt-tax-Bain issue.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

Someone will say something over-the-top, someone will release an ad that says something questionably dishonest, the media will pounce, the "dishonest" ad or over-the-top statement will become the news for the day, there will be backtracking, and our brief momentum will stop. But the damage against Mittens will be, and has been, done and will give us something to build on.

By the way, this is simply the way the momentum HAS to stop; this is the only way these stories flame out. The media gives and the media takes away.

So, the question: who will be the one to say something objectionable? I'm thinking Move-on. So many in the media hat Move-on.

[JHB]

1. Thank you for your concern.

I don't share it.

[whathehell]

2. I don't share it either...n/t

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

4. I'm neither concerned nor whining.

It's just the way the media gets bored and tries to be "objective." They don't want to be seen as piling on and listen to the complaints from the right.

[JHB]

20. I've noted that numerous times myself in posts on this matter

Republican strategy is to stonewall until that happens.

This time seems to be working differently. The Obama campaign has been working the point much more aggressively than Democrats have in the past, the documentation is a bit clearer, and now even Republicans are pushing for more.

Maybe Romney will back down and release some more, maybe something else will come up, but a flame-out just because Move-On or someone gets their knickers in a twist is much lower on the list of probable outcomes than in past events.

[The Wielding Truth]

78. As long as Mitt is using his business experience to run, we must hold it up to the light.

[GoneOffShore]

76. I'm with you.

Just tippy toeing around is not going to win elections.

[Spazito]

3. Meh n/t

[GarroHorus]

5. Concern noted n/t

[dkf]

6. Well Stephanie Cutter already accused Romney of a felony.

I think that went too far but many are cheering that type of talk on.

For those who want payback, no accusation is off limits or over the top.

[ProSense]

16. She did

"Well Stephanie Cutter already accused Romney of a felony"

...no such thing.

“This is serious business,” said Bob Bauer, the Obama campaign’s counsel, in a conference call for reporters coming after the Boston Globe published a story Thursday that calls into question the timeline of Romney’s involvement of the firm that the Republican candidate has been promulgating for years.

Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter laid out the issue as the Obama team sees it: “Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony."

"Or," she said, "he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments,” including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/07/obama-team-romney-committed-a-felony-or-lied-to-voters-128757.html

Romney can't run away from the facts.

Yes, Romney Perjured Himself
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002960206

[JNelson6563]

82. +1 for bringing facts to the discussion!

[CreekDog]

25. You said it was juvenile to discuss this, no?

And yet you post that Republican talking point, which is false, again and again.

[Ineeda]

40. No, she absolutely did not but

it seems you're the pot calling out the kettle with your "For those who want payback, no accusation is off limits or over the top."

[Arkana]

44. Actually she didn't, but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

What she said was he either lied to the voters of MA back in 2002 OR he committed a felony by lying on SEC documents.

She did not call him a felon. To say such is to buy the right-wing framing of the issue.

[maddezmom]

49. I think it was brilliant

[DevonRex]

60. You again. Nt

[Ikonoklast]

61. That is a deliberate untruth, and you know it.

I smell desperation in the Romney camp, this must be hitting them so hard they cannot take much more of it.

They have all their surrogates posting the Talking Points everywhere they can now.

Good thing that you aren't one of them.

[karynnj]

64. Only if you take part of her sentence

[RandiFan1290]

77. Wrong again

[Champion Jack]

7. Nice try

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

10. Nice try at what?

A prediction? You're a sharp one.

[Xyzse]

8. Understood...

However, if they take a page on Cutter in standing up to what they say and backing it up, I think it will be fine.

So, my suggestion. Don't F-in apologize for this topic at all.

[kentuck]

9. I don't think so...

It's the minimum amount of transparency required.

[DearAbby]

11. Noted

:::tossing in "T" file for future reference::::

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

14. What does 'T' stand for?

Predictions coming 'true?' Or 'truly' stupid prediction?

[RagAss]

12. Off to my Ignore list

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

19. A simple prediction, based on watching what the media have histporically done,

sends you to your ignore list?

What a RagAss.

[cilla4progress]

13. Agree!

Concerned about this. Hope they'll '"pivot" before this happens!

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. This issue will sink him

He will be dogged until he has to answer the questions.

[OverseaVisitor]

17. Sorry

What can be more overreaching than this

SHOW ME YOUR CHIN

Do you serious believe that Obama will be so direct if he got no knock out punch

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

22. Released early on.

Again, it's not only about the message; it's about the media's fear of not being objective and their attention span. This is a GREAT ad, by the way.

I like Move-on's "Tricky Mitt" ad as well, which was surprisingly disciplined.

I hope I'm wrong and nothing surfaces. It would be nice to see heads explode.

[OverseaVisitor]

29. You need to move away from fear

DO NOT BE AFRAID

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

32. No fear.

Obama can't lose to Rmoney. I think the media are hyping a horse-race, because they always do. I'm not worried if my prediction comes true. The tax/Bain question will return in October. I just think it will get bumped for a silly, manufactured reason.

[coalition_unwilling]

46. Here's the knock-out punch, imo:

Already airing on the internet (over a million hits so far, IIRC). I don't know how to make it show the nice little graphic. but it's called 'Stage' and it is simply devastating.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

51. I've seen it; it's brutal.

Run that thing throughout PA, OH, MI, hell even IN.

[OverseaVisitor]

57. Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital#cite_note-52

1999-2002: Romney departure and political legacy

Romney took a third leave of absence from Bain Capital in February 1999 when he became the head of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics.[50][51] The decision caused turmoil at Bain Capital, with a power struggle ensuing, several partners threatening to leave, and a prospect of eight-figure lawsuits being filed.[52] Romney was worried that the firm might be destroyed, but the crisis ebbed and he departed as planned.[52]

According to an interview Romney gave to the Boston Herald in 1999, Romney said he would stay on part-time at Bain, but would leave running day-to-day operations to Bain's executive committee.[53] A management committee reportedly took on this role.[54] During his leave of absence, Romney continued to be listed in filings to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission[55] as "sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President".[56][57] The SEC filings reflected the legal reality[54] and the ownership interest in the Bain Capital management company and some say they did not necessarily reflect managerial functions at the time.[22] In practice, former Bain partners have claimed that Romney's attention was occupied by his Olympics position.[58][54] Discussions over the final terms of Romney's departure dragged on during this time, with Romney reportedly negotiating for the best deal he could get.[54]

NOTE: Boston Herald interview 1999 above - by his word part time.

[okieinpain]

18. i was thinking the same thing, but you know repugs never quit on the

swift boat crap. they rode that one all the way to nov.

[myrna minx]

21. My god, the Dems finally fight back and we're here hand wringing.

We have 40 years of "keeping the powder dry", look how well that worked out for us.

The Republicans call the President a Maoist, Marxist, Commie, Foreigner, Druggie anti-American traitor and calling Mitt on the carpet about his own finances - the pillar of his campaign is over reaching? Wow.

[MatthewStLouis]

23. RMoney's time at Bain and his arrogance over the release of his tax returns stink to high heaven.

The sad fact for the GOP is: they have nothing NEW on the President. It's all the same old stuff, different day. BS lies that even republicans know are lies, but they tell them anyway, hoping some idiot will believe them. They have shown all their cards except for the ones hiding Mitt's tax returns. The tax returns will haunt RMoney and will play a good part in his undoing.

Will the media tire of the tax question? There is blood in the water, they should be swarming, and we will soon learn just how bought and paid for they really are...

[Enrique]

24. you are apparently referring to the MoveOn ad

why be coy about it

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

27. Uhhh,

I referred to their "Tricky Mitt" and called it disciplined.

Or is there one I don't know about?

Or does "coy" mean something else these days?

[Bluenorthwest]

26. I don't agree.

And frankly, I am so tired of all the affectation of media savvy around here most of which is just simplistic materials, heavily dated and based on lots of assumption and myth. I know, it sounds harsh, but even following your own theory, OP, you are at least two chapters behind because Mittco already made at least two attempts to pump up the idea that Obama has said 'objectionable things' first with the word 'felon' and then with the thing the President said about the fact that business needs roads business does not build for itself. Both attempts gained no traction. When Willard is refusing to do the basics of running for high office, refusing in fact to prove he did not commit a felony, their parsing of words just digs their hole deeper. It looks petty, and they are deeply out of balance, the Republicans just spent years demanding school transcripts and birth certificates 'we want the long form' and then their own guy will not even show his tax records. It just looks shady, the ethics look highly selective and racist, and it looks that way to more Americans every day. They accuse Obama of hiding something, then they pick a candidate who wants to hide everything, all of it, even when asked specifics he gives a variety of answers.
Some things do not spin, and tax issues are one of those things. Because we all pay up. Except Mitt.

[ProSense]

28. Actually,

"Someone will say something over-the-top, someone will release an ad that says something questionably dishonest, the media will pounce, the "dishonest" ad or over-the-top statement will become the news for the day, there will be backtracking, and our brief momentum will stop. But the damage against Mittens will be, and has been, done and will give us something to build on. "

...the media already tried that, and failed.

Oh for God's sake, it isn't a swiftboating.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002946401

Media: If you can't do your job . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002951274

The Media and Bain
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002952039

The SEC filing, the lies and the demand for Mitt's tax return are not going away.

In fact, Mitt's own damage control is making it worse.

Romney says releasing his tax returns would hurt him politically
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002968057

[Bluenorthwest]

33. Red Letter Day, your post and mine back to back saying the same thing

we are correct, they already tried that 'objectionable' spin and it failed, more than once.

[randome]

34. Especially your last link. Romney is on our side now! He just isn't smart enough to know it.

[backscatter712]

30. Concern noted...

[99Forever]

31. History does seem to say that (to a point)...

... I m not so sure this will "go away" quite so easily.

[longship]

35. Like moaning, moping, Myrtle.

She's concerned, too.

[trumad]

36. .

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

39. Oh, trumad,

you and your reading comprehension skills. Never fails.

[trumad]

50. Dude---

If it walks like a concern troll, quacks like a concern troll, and smells like a concern troll... it's a concern troll.

Also note---the majority of posts in this thread are calling you on it.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

52. And a logical fallacy to boot.

You're on a roll, trumad.

I'm not concerned. I'm not worried. I just think the media will fear piling on and want to seem "objective." I don't think the story fades away on its own. Something has to displace it. I think a questionably dishonest (notice the "questionably&quot statement will fuel a story. That's all. This post is simply a prediction. It could be wrong.

Your post, and others like it, add nothing--except a demonstration of a lack of reading comprehension.

And all of the posts that seem so concerned about a concern troll are demonstrations of what, by the way. Quack. Poor, trumad, that logic thing can really bite you in the ass, eh?.

[trumad]

56. Tell that to errr 99 percent of the folks who posted on this thread.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

71. Good lord, I made a predicition, friend.

When the prediction fails, then I will be wrong. My God, I have expressed an opinion here. Nothing more, nothing less. Could be right, could be wrong. But one thing is for sure: your post literally makes no sense, as it would be impossible for my ass to be handed to me until at least a couple of days down the road. So, come back in a couple of days, and then repost.

I have seen posts here that have made good arguments as to why my prediction will not come true. Those may be right, in fact were I a gambling man, I'd bet on them and not on mine. But I'm certainly no concern troll, nor have I made the argument many here are ascribing to me. And then you come in with nonsense. Maybe I need to hit the drink.

But when all is said and done, I love this place, and especially posters like trumad, who like to give and take, be smug, etc., and yet have fun.

[Coexist]

59. .

[Matariki]

37. We need a 'hand wringing' smilie

[NNN0LHI]

38. More FUD from an anonymous Internet poster

[bemildred]

41. Impossible. As long as he is in the race, he's fair game. nt

[Epiphany4z]

42. Republicans have been so crazy

we have plenty of room to jump before we make it over the top. They have made the crazy seem the norm. It is dam hard to scream Dems are over the top with all the Birther,Hitler,commy,evil,death panel shit they have been slinging around for years.

[magical thyme]

43. 15 prominent republicans to date have called on Mittens to release his tax records

their side has already had their first "response" ad pulled for copyright violation.

You're right that somebody will say something over-the-top and release a dishonest ad.

You're totally confused about who is more likely to do the above. The obviously well-honed, well-prepared, top notch Obama professionals? Or the GOP?

Track records says you're betting on the wrong horse to go down the over-the-top, blatant lie path.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

47. That really wasn't the argument I was making.

It was more about how the media will bump the story. The story can't just fade away. So something has to make it go away. The media will turn to an unfair attack on Rmoney instead of the actual story. This always seems to happen. I could be wrong. I hope so. There are some posts in this thread that make a good case as to why this story may be harder to shake than other ones. I hope they are right.

[RedStateLiberal]

86. It may fade away for a while but it will be back.

The reply above makes a good point. Prominent Republicans are calling for Rmoney to release the tax returns now. They were doing the same thing during the primary if you'll recall. Mitt got booed on stage for his response to the tax return question and Gingrich was hammering him over it. He released a partial year's worth and here's the same attack coming from Dems AND Repubs calling for him to release more tax returns - again. Even if he releases a few more years there will still be the question about what his returns show about his involvement with Bain from 1999-2002.

Just because the media makes it go away with another distraction doesn't mean it won't be back again later. All it takes is anything related to tax policy or his finances - Bain - investments - his only admitted qualification for being president - to come up again in the media and the tax return question will come back from the dead like Jason Voorhees because it's related to almost every issue.

[Ganja Ninja]

45. Dream on.

[malaise]

48. Whatever! n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

53. yes it is best if we never go on the offensive. too much risk. best to lay low and hope

for the best.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

54. Nice red herring.

A Warren what?

Ironical, ain't it?

[Ineeda]

62. And the more unwarranted snark you project

(like in this post and several others) the less legitimate you seem.

[ProfessorGAC]

70. Others Need Your Help To Focus?

How do you find time to get sleep?
GAC

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

72. Hah!

Touche.

[WI_DEM]

67. yet, most of your replies are insults to other members

Ironical, aint it?

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

73. Not really.

Am I missing something? Was my OP about not insulting people? See, other posts here are overly concerned about concerned trolls. That's classic irony. My insulting people is just my being an asshole; not only is this NOT ironic, but is also completely predictable.

[Ineeda]

75. So, you go out of your way to be an asshole

to random people. Okay. Now I get it. That's a sure sign of an obscenity of a rethug troll. Yes, indeed. I called you "an obscenity." And "a rethug". And "a troll". Buh-bye.

[HangOnKids]

80. He had a post hidden in this thread

He can't post anything in this thread for 24 hours.

[Ineeda]

84. Thanks. I didn't know that. I think he can read it though.

BTW, I don't understand people who are mean or assholey (asshole-ish?) just for the heck of it. Too much of that in our world, IMO.

[coalition_unwilling]

55. I understand your point but I think I must respectfully disagree with it, b/c this

has morphed from 'What did Romney do at Bain from 1999-2002?' into "What is Romney hiding?" The latter question is far more existential than the former and is starting to pick up a Watergate-type flavor. Those existential questions do not usually go away on their own. See Nixon's own recognition of same when he told David Frost, IIRC, that it's not the crime that gets you, it's the cover-up.

[SomethingFishy]

58. Well Considering that Rush Limbaugh just claimed that

the villain BANE in the new Dark Knight movie, who was created in 1993, was a specific jab at Romney I'd say that it's the Republicans who are "overreaching"..

[BumRushDaShow]

68. Especially when the creator of "Bane" is a longtime Conservative!

(he apparently came out and had to respond to Limpball's nonsense)

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/07/banes-creator-responds.html

[arthritisR_US]

66. The Democrats are fighting with backbone and I say keep it up, it's been a long time coming! n/t

[Chorophyll]

69. To answer your question:

My Uncle Frankie. My Uncle Frankie will say something objectionable. He always does.

Ask and you shall be answered.

[Avalux]

79. Very nebulous post.

Have you thought about what "something questionably dishonest" would be? Objectionable? Just curious.

[Blue_In_AK]

81. Thank you for your concern.

[spanone]

83. i suspect you are a democrat too. are you overreaching?

[Drunken Irishman]

85. Ah yes. Another handwringing Democrat.

And you all wonder why people still think Democrats are weak?