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Sun Oct 8, 2017, 01:20 PM

What Happened the Last Time the U. S. Had an Assault Weapons Ban?

Did I miss the government taking away everyone's gun?

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Reply What Happened the Last Time the U. S. Had an Assault Weapons Ban? (Original post)
dlk Oct 2017 OP
The Wielding Truth Oct 2017 #1
PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #2
spanone Oct 2017 #3
Calculating Oct 2017 #4
Nevernose Oct 2017 #9
NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #5
krispos42 Oct 2017 #6
EL34x4 Oct 2017 #8
ileus Oct 2017 #7
hack89 Oct 2017 #10
fescuerescue Oct 2017 #11

Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 02:23 PM

1. You have made an excellent point.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 02:24 PM

2. You missed how ineffective it was because it was only for certain (mostly cosmetic) features..

You probably missed the 60 minutes piece where they showed Diane Feinstein what guns were
still legal under her "ban" and didn't see the expression on her face.

All the "assault weapons ban" really did was make those type of guns more popular than ever.



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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 02:26 PM

3. Then we should do it again and get it right this time.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 02:35 PM

4. An AWB which just bans 'scary looking' guns would be ineffective

Something like a mini-14 or m1a can do just as much damage as a 'scary looking' AK or AR variant with pistol grips and other scary features. The core issue is magazine size as I see it. Limiting mags to 10-15 rounds would make a MUCH bigger impact that banning guns based on irrelevant cosmetic features.

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Response to Calculating (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 04:26 PM

9. +1

I donít agree 100% with the premise, but pragmatically, the best thing we can do is limit magazine size.

I think equally doable are rules on purchasing ammunition similar to what go into effect next year in California (the Vegas shooter tried to buy tracer ammo, which is totally unnecessary for civilian use). State gun registration should also be required, with a visual inspection of the firearm and serial number, with strict penalties for people caught with a gun but without their license. Those are achievable in many states with ballot initiatives, and stricter federal regulations can come later.

Of course, thatís not going to help the residents of Chicago, who are suffering from an influx of mostly Indiana firearms and need federal regulation, but it would cut back at least SOME of the mass murders there and everywhere else. A national registration could probably eliminate 80% of straw buyers overnight. ďI see youíve bought 800 firearms from 75 stores in the last six months. Would you care to show them to us? Oh? You donít know where they are? And you sold the other 600 guns without a license?Ē

Unlike many, I donít think requiring insurance is super important. Iím not even 100% sure how it would work. If an accident, homeowners or mediacal insurance should pay out, and if itís the result of a criminal act the nsurance wonít pay out anyway. Maybe thereís a way to rectify personal negligence insurance, firearms, and current law to make it more effective, but I donít see how.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 02:41 PM

5. It sure seemed we had fewer mass shootings. nt

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 03:06 PM

6. Republicans took the House

Bush took the presidency. There were still mass shootings.

The publicity of the ban increased interest in AR-15s and other types of tactical rifles. This dramatically increased sales of these rifles until what was a somewhat niche product went mainstream.

Now the country has probably over 10 million of them in it, maybe several times that.

In other words, it did exactly the opposite of what we supposed to happen: sales of semiautomatic rifles that feed from detectable magazines soared and the Democrats that supported the ban lost politically.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 04:11 PM

8. It wasn't all bad. We temporarily halted the scourge of bayonet lugs.

 

And the bloodshed that weapons capable of fixed bayonets throughout America.

Oh, and flash suppressors. Don't forget about those!

Sure, we lost Congress in '94, forcing Bill Clinton to the center and it's quite possible that supporting gun bans cost Al Gore his home state of Tennessee but that was a small price to pay for those ten years of protecting America from flash suppressors and bayonet lugs.

Lets try it again! Sure, the AR-15 is now the most popular sporting rifle in America but the important thing is if we rallied behind banning it, we could potentially carry California and New York by even greater margins!

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 03:13 PM

7. Only it wasn't a ban...

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 04:28 PM

10. Created a huge spike in AR-15 sales. Nt

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sun Oct 8, 2017, 04:44 PM

11. There were ZERO hotel mass shootings during the AWB

Unfortunately, the Repblicans struck it down.

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