Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:01 PM
Eko (6,046 posts)
NY couple asks black passerby to agree Confederate flags not racist
NY couple asks black passerby to agree Confederate flag’s ‘not racist’ — and are gobsmacked when he won’t
The reporter said his neighbors then tried to prove their point by asking a 13-year-old black boy playing nearby to validate their feelings. “Are you opposed to the flag at all?” Barber asked the teen. “Do you have a problem with the flag, as a black person?” The teen’s answer genuinely seemed to surprise the couple, according to the reporter. “Yeah, it is offensive to me,” the teen said. “This is the flag of people who want to bring slavery back.” The astonished couple asked the teen to meet with them sometime so they could explain what the flag meant to them, but he declined. https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/ny-couple-asks-black-passerby-to-agree-confederate-flags-not-racist-and-are-gobsmacked-when-he-wont/ Ha ![]()
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Author | Time | Post |
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Eko | Oct 2017 | OP |
Dark n Stormy Knight | Oct 2017 | #1 | |
JustAnotherGen | Oct 2017 | #17 | |
rockfordfile | Oct 2017 | #2 | |
pstokely | Oct 2017 | #8 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Oct 2017 | #11 | |
djg21 | Oct 2017 | #10 | |
JustAnotherGen | Oct 2017 | #18 | |
oberliner | Oct 2017 | #3 | |
Eko | Oct 2017 | #5 | |
oberliner | Oct 2017 | #9 | |
greatauntoftriplets | Oct 2017 | #19 | |
George II | Oct 2017 | #24 | |
oberliner | Oct 2017 | #30 | |
George II | Oct 2017 | #34 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Oct 2017 | #26 | |
oberliner | Oct 2017 | #29 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Oct 2017 | #32 | |
oberliner | Oct 2017 | #33 | |
malaise | Oct 2017 | #6 | |
oberliner | Oct 2017 | #7 | |
George II | Oct 2017 | #20 | |
JustAnotherGen | Oct 2017 | #22 | |
tenderfoot | Oct 2017 | #25 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Oct 2017 | #27 | |
Philistein | Oct 2017 | #4 | |
SweetieD | Oct 2017 | #12 | |
Eko | Oct 2017 | #13 | |
tenderfoot | Oct 2017 | #14 | |
JustAnotherGen | Oct 2017 | #16 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Oct 2017 | #31 | |
JustAnotherGen | Oct 2017 | #35 | |
True_Blue | Oct 2017 | #15 | |
ProfessorGAC | Oct 2017 | #21 | |
Blue_Tires | Oct 2017 | #23 | |
bigbrother05 | Oct 2017 | #28 | |
OldHippieChick | Oct 2017 | #36 |
Response to Eko (Original post)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:06 PM
Dark n Stormy Knight (9,655 posts)
1. Who the fuck cares what it means to them?! It objectively is the battle flag
of traitors who fought a bloody battle against Americans in order to preserve the privilege of legally enslaving other human beings.
Find another fucking flag to represent any decent feelings you have. |
Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 07:43 AM
JustAnotherGen (30,623 posts)
17. I'll see your traitors
And raise it right up to a FOREIGN Country that shot at American Soldiers!
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:09 PM
rockfordfile (8,597 posts)
2. Why would of all places a person from NY have a traitor's flag?
Nobody anywhere in our country in this day and time should support anything like that.
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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #2)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:36 PM
pstokely (10,389 posts)
8. how did they handle the winters?
Last edited Wed Oct 11, 2017, 12:49 AM - Edit history (1) http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~hornby/amuse/story_snow.txt
A SOUTHERNER MOVES UP NORTH Dec 8 5:00 pm - it's starting to snow. The first of the season and the first one we've seen in years. The wife and I took our hot buttered rums and sat by the picture window watching the soft flakes drift down, clinging to the trees and covering the ground. It was beautiful! Dec 9 We awoke to a lovely blanket of crystal white snow covering the landscape. What a fantastic site. Every tree and shrub covered with a beautiful white mantle. I shoveled snow for the first time in years and loved it. I shoveled both our drive and sidewalk. Later, a city snowplow came along and accidentally covered our drive with compacted snow from the street. The driver smiled and waved. I waved back and shoveled our drive again. Dec 10 It snowed an additional 6 inches last night and the temperature has dropped to about 11 degrees. Several limbs from the trees and shrubs snapped due to the weight of the snow. I shoveled again. Shortly after, the snowplow came by and did his trick again. Much of the snow is now brownish-gray. Dec 11 It warmed up enough during the day to create some slush which soon became ice when the temperature dropped again. Bought snow tires for both cars. Fell on my ass in the driveway. $145 to a chiropractor but nothing broken. More snow and ice expected. Dec 12 Still cold. Sold the wife's car and bought a 4X4 in order to get her to work. Slid into a guardrail anyway and did considerable amount of damage to the right rear quarter pane. Had another 8 inches of that white shit last night. Both vehicles covered with salt and crud. More shoveling in store for me today. That goddam snowplow came by twice today. Dec 13 2 degrees outside. More fuckin' snow. Not a tree or shrub on my property that hasn't been damaged. Power was off most of the night. Tried to keep from freezing to death with a kerosene heater which tipped over and nearly burned the house down. I managed to put the flames out but suffered 2'nd degree burns on my hands and lost most of my eyelashes and eyebrows. Car slid on ice on the way to the emergency room and was totalled!! Dec 14 Goddam mother-fuckin' white shit keeps on coming down. Have to put on all the clothes we own just to get to the fucking mailbox. If I ever catch the son-of-a-bitch that drives the snowplow, I'll chew open his chest and rip his heart out. I think he hides around the corner and waits for me to finish shoveling and then comes down the street about 60 MPH and buries our drive again. Power still off. Toilet froze and part of the roof has started to cave in. Dec 15 6 goddam more fuckin' inches of fuckin' snow and fuckin' sleet and fuckin' ice and god knows what other kind of white fuckin's shit fell last night. I wounded the fuckin' snowplow asshole with an ice axe but he got away. Wife left me. The car won't start. I think I'm going snow-blind. I can't move my toes. More fucking snow expected tonight. I'm moving the fuck back to Texas!!! |
Response to pstokely (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 12:15 AM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,562 posts)
11. Love it!
I spent my childhood in northern NYS (Utica and north) and grew up with minus 20 degrees and many, many inches of snow being common.
I moved away, to Tucson, Arizona, in 1962. Big change. Anyway, in 1968 I moved back to the east coast and was then hired by Mohawk Airlines (and if you remember them you are showing your age) in January of 1969, and attended two weeks of training in Utica, New York that month. The other women in my class (it seems weird to me to say women, as back then we were girls) were: one from Binghamton NY, one from Syracuse, one from Rochester, and two from Long Island. The two from LI don't count because they don't really get winter there. But the others, who were from Binghamton, Syracuse, and Rochester were totally astonished at the amount of snow they were seeing. I could assure them that this was a perfectly average winter for Utica. In my childhood we referred to on particular road (Glass Factory Road for those of you who might have heard of it) north from Utica as the Grand Canyon of the North, because in the winter the snow plows threw up side mountains of snow that were easily ten feet high. We lived on Glass Factory Road, and a couple of times each winter my parents would persuade the snow plow driver to plow out our driveway, because otherwise just trying to shovel it out was impossible. I don't know if it's still true, but I remember knowing back then that Upstate New York, (and I'm referring to the real Upstate, north of the Mohawk River) got more snow than anywhere east of the Rockies. I'm inclined to believe that, because I've lived in a bunch of other places over the years, including Minneapolis (more cold than snow) and along the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains (Golden and Boulder CO), and when we lived in Boulder, I didn't think we got enough snow to be bothered to buy my sons a sled. My standards for snow are truly high. |
Response to rockfordfile (Reply #2)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:01 PM
djg21 (1,803 posts)
10. Dumbfuckistan
Upstate NY is largely rural, relatively poor and very red. One of the larger employers is the State prison system. A big issue is guns, and there are anti-SAFE Act (NY assault weapon and handgun legislation) everywhere.
There are a number of Confederate flags flying by me — a few within a couple of miles — and I’m not too far north of Albany. But there is karma. A mosque and Islamic learning center just opened across the street from one home in my town with a Confederate flag flying out front. I’d love to post pictures and addresses of these houses somewhere. I presume that the dumbfucks flying these flags aren’t celebrating their Southern heritage. |
Response to rockfordfile (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 07:44 AM
JustAnotherGen (30,623 posts)
18. He's from Georgia
tenderfoot posted an article from NPR below.
I think that should make oberliner happy (disappointed the article was posted from raw story?) but I doubt he/shie will comment on the actual content. |
Response to Eko (Original post)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:09 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
3. In what universe does this constitute a news story?
Or is it just click bait for Raw Story?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:27 PM
Eko (6,046 posts)
5. You dont like it, dont click.
It was done by NPR and its in general discussion. I suppose I could post things like rumors of someone on Trumps transition team having affairs.
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Response to Eko (Reply #5)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:37 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
9. I just don't like when Raw Story steals the work of others
They basically just re-arranged the paragraphs in the NPR article and paraphrased some things slightly.
I don't see how Travis Gettys can put his name on an article that is basically copied from an article written by Arun Venugopal. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 08:52 AM
greatauntoftriplets (174,780 posts)
19. That's pretty much what RawStory does.
It "repackages" articles from other sources. At times, it is a way to read something that's behind a paywall.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 10:35 AM
George II (67,782 posts)
24. Raw Story ALWAYS provides an obvious link to the original story, they don't "steal" work of others.
Response to George II (Reply #24)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:50 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
30. A person at Raw Story put their name as the byline
What exactly are they taking credit for?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #30)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 02:11 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
34. Read the article, please.
"Ricky Barber, 30, and his fiancée displayed the flag outside their Plattsburgh home earlier this year, and their neighbor — an NPR reporter — asked them to explain why they displayed the Civil War flag so far north in Union country."
That was the second sentence in the article, clearly attributing the article to the NPR reporter. If you have an issue with that I suggest you take it up with Raw Story. Funny thing, articles from Raw Story have been properly posted here for years and I don't recall anyone complaining about them before. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,469 posts)
26. Wait, you first said that this isnt important enough to be a news story, now you say
your object because Raw Story is basically reprinting it, which is it?
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #26)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:49 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
29. No I didn't
I asked in what universe was it a news story and wrote that Raw Story just re-arranged paragraphs in a pre-existing NPR piece for click bait purposes.
No comment was made by me about the importance of the topic. |
Response to oberliner (Reply #29)
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #32)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:57 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
33. Exactly
No mention of importance - just asking in what universe a re-arranged article by Raw Story with a click bait headline constitutes news.
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Response to malaise (Reply #6)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:36 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
7. Seems like they took NPR's article
Gave it a click-bait headline - and stole a bunch of paragraphs from somebody else's reporting.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 09:05 AM
George II (67,782 posts)
20. I didn't see that anyone said it constituted a new story, that's why it's in...
...."General Discussion", otherwise it would be in "Latest Breaking News".
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Response to George II (Reply #20)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 09:10 AM
JustAnotherGen (30,623 posts)
22. Agree
GD has moderators who would have managed the OP if it was not appropriate for this board.
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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #22)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 11:54 AM
tenderfoot (8,164 posts)
25. Notice he couldn't give a rat's about the content of the story.
Which says a lot...
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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #25)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,469 posts)
27. Always notice that, myself.
Response to Eko (Original post)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:21 PM
Philistein (25 posts)
4. It's an enemy flag.
Seems unpatriotic to fly it.
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:02 AM
SweetieD (1,660 posts)
12. I don't really find it funny. It was an act of racist aggression to a child meant to intimidate.
Nothing well meaning or innocent about this.
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Response to SweetieD (Reply #12)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:23 AM
Eko (6,046 posts)
13. Yup,
nothing funny about this at all.
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:27 AM
tenderfoot (8,164 posts)
14. Here's the original article from npr
The Confederate Flag Owners of New York
http://www.wnyc.org/story/meet-confederate-flag-owners-new-york/ |
Response to tenderfoot (Reply #14)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 07:41 AM
JustAnotherGen (30,623 posts)
16. You know . . .
I lived in the Rochester NY area for 30 years prior to moving to New Jersey and this . . .
Zach Hirsch, a reporter with North Country Public Radio, didn't have to go far to find a Confederate flag owner: his neighbor in Plattsburgh displayed one for a period earlier this year.
The neighbor, Ricky Barber, 30, moved to New York from Georgia, and said the flag is a sign of his Southern pride, as well as a form of defiance. "You'll hear all these people that gathered down South that are blacks. What about their Black Lives Matter flags?" asked Barber. "That's pushing back on the white people. Us white people, we retaliate by 'Hey, we got a Confederate flag and whatnot.'" Then why doesn't he take his ass back to fucking Georgia if he isn't going to assimilate? With his 'whatnot' take his thingamajiggy and shove it up his whatchamacallit. |
Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #16)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:50 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,469 posts)
31. I feel for the flag owner, I do. He sincerely needs that black person or any black person to
"understand" what it means to him.
What is wrong with that? Sure, what it means to him is the black person he is talking to should be his property, but come on, is that such a big deal really? Slaves? Surely nobody really objects to that in this day and age, right? I mean our president, who many saw as harmless so to speak, is a racist who wants to own black people, so how can this be an issue at all, right? ![]() |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #31)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 04:52 PM
JustAnotherGen (30,623 posts)
35. That's what I don't get about 45/140 supporters
In general iDGAF about them, what they think, what they say - it's all nonsense.
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:52 AM
True_Blue (3,063 posts)
15. What did they think he would say?
That flag doesn't exactly represent freedom & liberty for POC. It represents slavery, racism, treason and defeat. Only a racist could like that flag.
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 09:06 AM
ProfessorGAC (59,228 posts)
21. If It Means Something Other Than What He Said, To Them. . .
. . .then they're wrong. Simple
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 10:27 AM
Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)
23. what the fucking hell???
Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 01:48 PM
bigbrother05 (5,995 posts)
28. That's an extremely polite young man
In his place I'd likely have said "It means you're a f'ing racist cracker who best get out of my face!", but as a mid-60's white guy, they wouldn't get much satisfaction out of trying to rub it in my face.
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Response to Eko (Original post)
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 04:55 PM
OldHippieChick (2,434 posts)
36. Those who flew the stars and bars killed those
who flew the Star Spangled Banner. What else do we need to know?
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