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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo few Americans have even a basic understanding of the Iran deal.
First off, the sanctions were multi-lateral and negotiated by Hilary and Obama. It was a tremendous accomplishment. Sanctions only work if all the principal players are on board. We had China, Russia, the UK, France and the rest of the EU with us.
We blocked oil from them to major countries, banking, military weapons, spare parts, everything. The sanctions were effective because we had a strong coalition.
Iran wanted to talk. The deal was negotiated, not just with us, but with all the parties. Russia and China pressured us. They were willing to pull out of the sanctions. So was Europe. We had to make the best deal we could, and in the end, it was good for the United States. Too many of our voting citizens (61 million, who have proven to be morons) think that this was a deal just between Iran and us. If we re-impose sanctions, nobody is going to follow us. Iran will have no problem trading with the rest of the coalition, and we will be the ones isolated. They can bank through France, the UK and Switzerland. They can sell oil to China and buy Gas from Russia. Iran can get military supplies from Russia and China, as well as spare parts. We're far from the only game in town. In return, since we pulled out of the deal, Iran doesn't need to grant inspections.
As for the "billions of dollars in cash" that we gave the Iranians during the initial deal, that wasn't our money. That was Iranian money, frozen since the Revolution as payment for fighter jets that were never delivered. All we did was return their money, which was our obligation under international law. It was delivered in cash, because the sanctions were still in place until the deal was finalized. With the sanctions in place, no one could use the banking industry with Iran, as a result, paid in cash.
If Iran broke the deal, every partner, including China and Russia would have to re-impose the sanctions. But if we break the deal, all bets are off. The United States' Moron in Chief has put us in an awful position and now we are up to our necks in shit on this issue.
snowybirdie
(5,219 posts)to understand today's actions is
"First off, the sanctions were multi-lateral and negotiated by Hilary and Obama"
ScubaSteve
(83 posts)Hes such an ignorant, stupid, moronic piece of fucking shit
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)Will Russia become a major player here and be making millions of money and we will become isolated.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)with many of my contemporaries (some who voted for Trump), that few, if any, know that the Iran deal is international and that the money paid to Iran was returned because of an assets' freeze dating back to 1979.
when discussing many issues, and I only have a fundamental understanding of the issues, I find my contemporaries have no basic understanding of the issue, at all.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)imanamerican63
(13,731 posts)with a ally in the that region. But, now that might be blown up! No pun intended!
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)I wonder if someone can find it and add it here?
Ernest Moniz (sp?) was on it too.
Johonny
(20,818 posts)basically it won't prevent them, it will guarantee they will have them. Trump is a moron on every level.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)of understanding it. And some of it's subjective.
A lot of Americans just rely on the leader(s) to do what's best, based on their expertise and experience.
elmac
(4,642 posts)that the percentage of Americans who voted for the orange molester are too stupid to understand anything
karynnj
(59,498 posts)most work on the negotiations were John Kerry, and people reporting to him like Wendy Sherman. Kerry was involved in early steps to open talks while he was Chair of the SFRC and the intense negotiations were primarily between 2013 and 2015. Here is a NYT article from 2016 that explained the different positions of Kerry and Clinton. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/03/us/politics/for-hillary-clinton-and-john-kerry-divergent-paths-to-iran-nuclear-talks.html?_r=0
In addition to people at the State Department, Clinton worked with Lew, at Treasury on the sanctions and there during the negotiations, Energy Secretary Moniz and Kerry worked together for months. Moniz worked with an Iranian MIT educated nuclear expert and he tested various monitoring schemes at a copy of an Iranian facility that was created in Tennessee.
Hillary did make a very big contribution to getting countries on board for the tough sanctions.
louis c
(8,652 posts)was Hilary's work.
That was the toughest part. To get China and Russia to agree to sanction Iran was no small feat.
Those sanctions were so effective that Iran need to negotiate.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)which you said Hillary did. What I wrote is correct. The fact is for over 2 years, when getting a deal seemed unlikely, it was Kerry who committed the time and effort to lead the negotiations.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Much appreciated.
TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)after ending the agreement. And they'll know who to blame.
That's what makes this so ridiculous. The Iranians have nothing to lose by the United States cancelling the agreement. The other countries won't re-impose sanctions, and they'll re-start their nuclear program. Iran has nothing to loose by cancelling the agreement, and the United States has EVERYTHING to lose by cancelling it. So, NATURALLY, Trump will just HAVE to cancel it; and humiliate and embarrass the GOP Congress in the process, by forcing them to have a fight about it on the House floor.
And all this just because it was Obama who brokered the deal.
What a bunch of idiots.