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Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:03 PM

 

Bernie speaking on 1st day at Women's conference is a horrible idea & it's easy to show why...

- A non hearing impaired person who hasn't been a particular advocate for the hearing impaired signed to speak on the first day of a conference for the deaf when it is the first conference for the deaf have had in 40 years.

- A non Latino/Hispanic person who hasn't been a particular advocate for the Latino/Hispanic community signed to speak on the first day of a conference for Latinos/Hispanic people when it is the first conference for Latinos in 40 years.

- A white man who hasn't done much for African American rights signed to speak on the the first day of a conference for African Americans when it is the first conference for African Americans in 40 years.

We can keep going. All of the above would be shockingly bad choices. It's all pretty obvious. Women's rights has not been one of Bernie's signature issues. He's probably on the right side of those rights, but that's not his bailiwick.

The decision to have Bernie speak was not about women. That's the problem. This conference is about women.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:05 PM

1. umm the conference WANTED him to speak and its their conference after all nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:06 PM

2. That's your answer? It's a conference about women. The organizers don't own that. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:19 PM

5. Who has the right...

 

to invite people to speak a conference if not the organizers?

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:30 PM

16. When it is about a diversity group? The members of that diversity group. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:36 PM

21. Did the organizers...

 

have to ask the members of the diversity group permission to have the event? I'm pretty sure if a group of people, in this case apparently mostly WOC, organize an event they can choose the speakers. If they are not able to get enough people to come maybe they need to reflect, but it is still there event not yours or even women's in general.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:38 PM

23. This isn't that complicated. It's all in the OP. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:02 PM

251. Not really.

 

The statement that Bernie wasn't a particular ally of feminism is not an unassailable truth.

It's simply an assertion.

And frankly it sounds as though you feel they were obligated to invite Hillary or a Hillary supporter, because you, and you alone, know what is best for feminism.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:33 PM

105. No they didn't have to ask permission

but I believe they did ask attendees to pay $300 to attend BEFORE they announced Sanders as the speaker. Some people are asking for their money back.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:35 AM

136. The organizers of the Women's March weren't mostly WOC. Why do you say "apparently" this group is?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #136)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:09 PM

236. The tweet...

 

refrenced in #7 of this thread mentions that and I followed the hashtag #womensmarch and that is the idea I get. If you have information that the women behind #womensmarch aren't organizing this event or aren't mainly WOC I would like to be more rather than less educated about this.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #236)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:21 PM

239. There were 4 organizers, including two white women, one Latina, and an African American. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #239)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:35 PM

243. Thank you...

 

I've not been able to find an official roster the only name I've seen in connection is Tamika Mallory. From what you say it seems four women are involved did they not all sign on to the invitation of Senator Sanders?

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #243)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:50 PM

246. I haven't seen anything that explains who issued the invite or how. n/t

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:53 PM

33. Have to agree with you there... they must've had good reasons for inviting Bernie to speak.

I would've loved if they had invited BOTH Bernie AND Hillary as co-speakers to open the conference, which would've gone a long way to uniting the party.

I'm guessing that maybe, with Hillary's book, ripping on Bernie for her loss, so fresh in people's minds, that has opened old wounds, which made that impossible.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #33)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:00 PM

37. They really didn't. Everything you see that they have come out with on this says the opposite.

 

For instance:

http://time.com/4981357/bernie-sanders-womens-march-convention/

Mallory acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice. "Some people just don't want to hear from Bernie Sanders," says Mallory. "There are some people who donít believe that a man has a place at a womenís convention."

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #37)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

42. I can understand there being some people who were not in favor of hearing from Bernie...

that's to be expected. Doesn't necessarily make it a BAD decision. Could they have made a less controversial choice? Of course.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #37)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:52 PM

108. Meanwhile, this decision has brought a lot more attention to their event.

Maybe that was part of the purpose of the choice as well, it raised more awareness of the event, for free. That's what controversy tends to do, and so it can be a smart strategy, depending on the goal. So whether the choice is "horrible" as you say, or merely "controversial" as they admit, on balance, the decision may well have served them well.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #108)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:53 PM

109. Or not. A lot of women seem to be asking for their $300 back. Seems they think their issues

 

are being sold out.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #109)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:35 PM

242. Could you have lived with them inviting Nina Turner?

 

Or Sarah Silverman(who campaigned for Bernie), or a woman not associated with either campaign?

Were you going to insist that it not only be a woman, but a woman allied with HRC?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #242)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 10:04 PM

268. Sure. Those would have been reasonable choices.

 

Whether or not I like them.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:06 PM

252. There's nothing in that photo that "says the opposite".

 

Bernie supports all of the causes people were marching for in that photo and has an essentially 100% voting record in support of anti-oppression politics during his Congressional career.

Acknowledging that the choice is controversial is not the same thing as admitting the choice was wrong.


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Response to tonedevil (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:04 PM

91. Well the people they charged $300 per ticket that they defrauded by

announcing this AFTER the refund deadline had passed might wish to have a say. They're being smacked hard by the displeasure of the women they were supposedly organizing for, and the attendees are the people who they should be listening to, but apparently that wasn't the goal for these people are busy behaving stupidly after once again doing dumb things deliberately calculated to irritate people.

They went through this in January and learned nothing. They're being called out for the fraud they attempted, and people are upset that they had to be forced to include actual women running for office in the state they decided to set their conference.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #91)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:12 AM

116. does the 300 dollars include a Hotel , travel and whatever costs of getting there ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #116)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:50 AM

159. No, I was going for the day...you can buy day tickets. But I won't go now. To have Sen. Sanders

speak on social justice issues when he called planned parenthood establishment and said we needed to abandon identity issues is just plain wrong...and a woman should open this convention. I don't know who decided this...I would be interested to know, bu it was a bad decision.

"How much does it cost?
General admission is $295 per personóan amount necessary to help us cover the expense of holding a conference. Youth and student registration is $125 per person. If your employer is paying your registration, please register at the institutional level, $365 per person. Single day tickets are available for Friday and Saturday at $125, and Sunday at $75."

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/womens-march-presents-the-inaugural-womens-convention-2017-tickets-36830022589

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #159)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 01:19 AM

273. You might want to check out the comments of some of those other "honored" speakers

attacking Democrats, WoC (supposedly on behalf of WoC), Hillary, her supporters, Emily's List etc. Winnie Wong was "ready for a fight", so unifying these folks.

From what I'm hearing and seeing, this was a top down F*up. I feel bad for the local women who will be spending their time working their rears off, while people who didn't do much once again hog all the credit and prove just how badly they fail at organizing, unifying or speaking without being insulting, divisive and just plain awful.

Take a look at those comments on the page as well, in response to that "apology".

Please be careful if you're heading down there, and charge your phone. Drama queens about and they're apparently all ready to fight, whatever that means coming from people who happily took selfies with actual Nazis.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #273)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:18 AM

275. Wow..not going. I am incensed at how this was done...they deliberately waited until you couldn't get

your money back before announcing the opening speaker. Thanks for the update.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #275)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 01:22 PM

280. Nasty right?

Keep the weekend free if you can, there might be things that local groups are doing in the area. I'm hearing some rumblings.

I'm frankly curious to see how these bombastic personalities comport themselves in person.

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #280)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 02:57 PM

281. Since I was going anyway...I will keep my eyes peeled.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #116)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 01:13 AM

272. Nope.

If you only want to go Friday, for the headliner who is or not the headliner, depending on the mood of the organizer at the moment they're asked, it's $125.

I wonder where this money is going and how much Emily's List kicked in, and if they get a refund considering how those Fox stalwarts and GOP backed speakers to this event have been attacking that organization. You know the one that supported Nina and many other women, this is how the "invited guests" of the Women's Convention speak of an organization that support women and sponsored their event.

I feel bad for the local organizers who spent lots of time and effort here just to watch as the national ones basically make a giant mess of everything to cater to their personal biases. I'm thinking they weren't consulted though they're the ones doing all the work.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:20 PM

6. It's NOT a conference about women, that would be simplistic and limited

 

The Womenís Convention will bring thousands of women, femmes and our allies of all backgrounds to Detroit from October 27-29th, 2017, for a weekend of workshops, strategy sessions, inspiring forums and intersectional movement building to continue the preparation going into the 2018 midterm elections.

Tapping into the power of women in leadership as the fundamental, grassroots force for change, the Womenís Convention will bring together first time activists and movement leaders, rising political stars that reflect our nationís changing demographics, and thousands of women whoíve organized sister marches, huddles, rallies and resistance actions, large and small, since January 2017.

Participants will leave inspired and motivated, with new connections, skills and strategies for working towards collective liberation for women of all races, ethnicities, ages, abilities, sexual identities, gender expressions, immigration statuses, religious faiths, and economic statuses.

The Womenís Convention is the beginning of a political groundswell, showing that the rise of the woman IS the rise of the nation.

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:24 PM

11. u ruined his mansplainin

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:31 PM

17. Nope, Bernie will be the one mansplaining, and the conference organizers enabled it. nt

 

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:32 PM

18. It actually is that simple.

 

It's exactly as I wrote in my OP.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:44 PM

25. That is a fine example...

 

of an opinion. The organizers of this event do not share your opinion and are not obligated to. I do find it interesting that this seems to be something organized by Women most of whom are Black and you a typical white guy feels comfortable explaining why they got it all wrong.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:57 PM

35. They actually do share my opinion and knew the choice was a controversial one

 

http://time.com/4981357/bernie-sanders-womens-march-convention/

Mallory acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice. "Some people just don't want to hear from Bernie Sanders," says Mallory. "There are some people who donít believe that a man has a place at a womenís convention."

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #35)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:01 PM

38. I don't think you understand...

 

the word sharing in this instance. They may agree that he is a controversial choice, but it does not seem that Ms. Mallory feels that a man, Senator Sanders in particular, does not have a place at a women's convention. Unless I have misread what you are saying I believe your opinion is that a man does not have a place at a womenís convention. Their convention their invites you can grouse as you see fit.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #38)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:04 PM

40. No, I don't think YOU understand. They knew these opinions existed among women when they made the

 

choice.

They also knew Sanders was not known for being an advocate for women, yet they made the choice anyway.

So they acknowledge that these opinions were out there among women and they ignored them. They knew they were having someone speak who wasnt an advocate for women.

So they have acknowledged and legitimized everything I have written on this subject.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:22 PM

55. Apparently...

 

even knowing some would object these women decided that Senator Sanders was someone who they wanted to speak. That does not square with you saying it is a demonstrably horrible decision. It may well be if you start from disliking Senator Sanders, but that is not everybody. What you have written is a legitimate opinion nothing more. In no way are the organizers agreeing with you that this is a horrible idea.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:06 AM

163. It was a very bad decision. And I have to wonder if it is about selling tickets...at $300.00 a pop

having Bernie will definitely sell tickets. I hate to sound cynical. It is $300 for the conference and over 100.00 for just a day. There are 'scholarships'. Hubs was out of work and just recently went back so my daughter and I were going up for one day only...I am not going now. I attended the woman's march which was great. But this seems really really divisive and controversial. We don't need this now. It shows an appalling lack of judgement.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:19 AM

177. You say this as if there is a group that would get collective 100% support

 

Did they invite women from the Republican side of things?

It's not legitimizing your position because you aren't taking the position the organizers are. They are saying that some people believe as you do, which is a far cry from saying that your position is correct.

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Response to mythology (Reply #177)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:14 PM

226. This flailing really does not become any of you trying to support this decision.

 

Whether or not you realize it you just compared the decision to invite Bernie to inviting Republican women.

I actually think that the outrage of inviting any man to open the conference who is not a womens rights advocate is similar to the outrage it would have caused to invite a Republican women.

The point is to invite speakers who are women who fight for women's rights. Or, a man who has been such an exceptional advocate for women's rights that his invitation speaks for himself. This really isn't that complicated.

There are historical examples of such men where an invite might be appropriate. I posted one as an OP. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029708758

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #226)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:00 PM

270. I did it intentionally and no it wasn't "flailing" as you inaccurately put it.

 

You just don't understand the point.

It's absolutely impossible to find 44 different speakers that literally 100% of people would agree on. You can't even get a definition of feminism that 100% of people agree with. So rather obviously some people will disagree with inviting Sanders, just as some would have disagreed with inviting Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren or Sarah Palin.

You mistake your own personal opinion for being factual and objective. Simply put it isn't. The fact that you don't realize that, well that's not my fault. This is about your dislike of Sanders in my opinion. That's fine, but it doesn't exactly make you an unbiased opinion. You have your conclusion and work backwards from there. It's shoddy logic.

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:22 PM

56. Thank you, Not Ruth

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:01 AM

161. I had intended to go up for the day...but I let my hotel go because I want nothing to do with this.

And let me just say in the era of Trump who is attacking even the right to birth control...a woman's conference makes sense and is in no way simplistic or limited if it about social justice...none of the other stuff matters if you don't have control over your own body. This sounds like an Our Revolution event. Glad I didn't waste my money. I thought it was pricey to begin with...$300.00 which is why I was only going for one day which costs me over $100.00. Now I will not attend. A woman should be speaking at a woman's convention...and the latest excuse that they couldn't get prominent woman is ridiculous when they have Maxine who should speak first. I went to the Woman's march and would think twice about attending anything sponsored by this group again.

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:34 PM

213. "that the rise of the woman IS the rise of the nation." How do you get that it "Is NOT a conference

about women" from that statement by the organization?

Nice that Bernie and a couple other men speaking, but organizers clear it is about women changing the world.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #213)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:17 PM

238. Yes it is. The percentage of female speakers addressing the conference highlights female leadership

That is as it should be in my opinion. But i also remember when feminists (of both genders) were forced to take the stand that "every issue is a woman's issue", because too many men thought women could be relegated to only getting serious input into matters of health home and family.

I do not hesitate in saying that, in the broadest sense, women speak for me.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:20 PM

7. Listen to the actual organizers




".@womensmarch is led by women, mainly WOC. We announce one man as a speaker among over 60, and y'all start saying he's our leader?!" she wrote. "When you lash out at WOC leaders, saying we have a man as our headliner/leader, you erase our work. You erase Rep Waters' work. LISTEN TO US. To the folks yelling at @womensmarch & directly at me: Why does your version of advocating for women's rights = bashing Black women leaders?"

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:22 PM

96. truly embarrassing to see them try to insulate themselves from criticism that way.

 

They need to grow up, and defend their choices better.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #96)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:03 PM

224. And embarrassing to see some DUers who have never been interested in any diversity issues

 

trying to use them as a shield against criticism of their horrible choice.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #224)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 09:55 PM

267. There are people who twist things for political "gain" and I think they lose in the end....

 

This group touted Sanders and his "Revolution" people way above other people who barely got a mention. Then they try and gaslight women who don't like it. Jeeze it's got nothing to do w anyone's race but I guess if they're trapped in a corner, shit gets vicious.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:15 AM

128. Thanks

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:35 PM

19. That's my answer, too. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:36 PM

20. And it is still a bad answer. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:46 PM

28. When does this happen? I am now curious to

see if he's either cancelled, well-received, or whatever else might happen.

And FTR, I love Bernie, and I am not alone.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:20 PM

209. It's a good opportunity for him to lay out how women's' issues fit into his worldview

I do believe it was a tone-deaf decision by the organizers but it is what it is.

He def votes the right way, but I don't recall him vocally getting out there to strongly assert the importance of women's equality or reproductive rights. Seems his recent focus is on Trump voters, wwc, and making contradictory statements about "identity politics" aka civil rights.

I like Bernie too! This is a good challenge for him. Looking forward to seeing how he meets it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:30 AM

122. Well you certainly don't own it either, stevenleser.

 

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #122)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:03 AM

125. And I am sure you are going to tell us all how reciting that obvious factoid

 

That we all already know has any bearing on this discussion at all

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:30 PM

241. And you do?

 

You don't see the irony in you, as a man, lecturing a women's organization as to who they should invite to spe

It's possible that they could see this as a way to move past the Clinton-Sanders divide...to move from division to dialog and cooperation.

It's possible that they want to find a way to engage and find common ground rather than to stay with your approach of simply demanding repentance and submission.

As I said, it may not have been the wisest choice to invite Bernie himself...but it was a good idea to reach out to the Sanders movement, and I hope you'd be okay with them inviting a woman associated with that to speak. But it's their call.




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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:21 PM

53. Not "the conference." The majority of the handful of organizers of the conference. n/t

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

89. And the women who made the conference possible resoundingly shouted their disagreement

with this decision, they DO NOT WANT HIM, and what's a conference that spits in the face of the women it's supposed to be convening for?

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:26 PM

102. No. Sorry.

It is called a 'Women's Conference.' That means all women inclusive to ALL WOMEN and not for a select few. If they wanted it to include the few they should have just call it 'Their Conference' and others need not attend, and the others are not attending for that very reason.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:56 PM

111. Thank you.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:10 PM

3. Sheshe2 wrote pretty much the same thing. It is under Latest Threads

on the DU Homepage. It seems to be a poor choice on the organizers part.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:40 PM

84. Is he the headline speaker? If so, IMO, he probably needs to bow out. He's too much...

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in the center of divisiveness as it is.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:17 PM

4. What?

The conference organizers invited him. Maybe we should let the people who have the desire and ability to put together and organize a conference decide who should be invited to speak.

Many women admire Senator Sandersand are thrilled to have him speak at the conference. They should keep everyone else happy even though they seem to think that Bernie is relevant as a principal speaker at the event?

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:23 PM

10. You mean people who actually get off their ass and organize a convention should have some say?

You mean they shouldn't turn it over to some angry keyboard slacktivists?

That's crazy talk!!

".@womensmarch is led by women, mainly WOC. We announce one man as a speaker among over 60, and y'all start saying he's our leader?!" she wrote. "When you lash out at WOC leaders, saying we have a man as our headliner/leader, you erase our work. You erase Rep Waters' work. LISTEN TO US. To the folks yelling at @womensmarch & directly at me: Why does your version of advocating for women's rights = bashing Black women leaders?"

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:39 PM

24. I need a link to share, but yes! And

thank you!

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #24)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:44 PM

26. Here

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:27 AM

135. They got to decide who they wanted

Can't fathom why conference organizers want to criticize or intimidate, or silence women who disagree strongly with their choice.

















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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:08 AM

164. They can organize it but I don't have to go...and no more donations from me either.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:19 AM

192. +1!

Thank you for that.

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:26 PM

12. Yea, in between the

 

linked article in that OP and this we now have two male viewpoints calling for silencing another male viewpoint (while simultaneously lecturing Tamika Mallory for disagreeing).

Irony

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:29 PM

15. Calling for silencing? Rather hyperbolic.

Just like this whole over-reaction ...partly if not largely because it's Bernie. Still fighting the primary.

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Response to KPN (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:46 PM

27. I assume by "over-reaction"

 

You are referring to some individuals' usurpation of the important issues women are now facing to continue their vendetta against Senator Sanders.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:02 AM

183. Yes, your assumption is correct ...

but only coincidentally. I misread the irony as sarcasm in your post. Pardon me for misreading it initially. My bad.

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Response to KPN (Reply #183)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:03 AM

184. NP

 

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:25 PM

259. Why those hysterical females...they overreacted...I am sure some manspainin

will right this ship (sarcasm). I can't imagine how some women thought a woman's conference should be about well women.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #259)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:52 PM

261. You need to go back

 

to attacking the women who invited Senator Sanders.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #261)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:24 AM

276. I attack no one...but I feel they absolutely blew it.

They caused division and ruined their convention...and they lost my trust completely.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:58 PM

36. And here is Tamika Mallory in her own words acknowledging her choice was controversial

 

http://time.com/4981357/bernie-sanders-womens-march-convention/

Mallory acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice. "Some people just don't want to hear from Bernie Sanders," says Mallory. "There are some people who donít believe that a man has a place at a womenís convention."
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So no, not a male opinion, not a shocking opinion, Mallory knew what she was doing was controversial and that many women would object.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:09 PM

46. Changing the goalposts?

 

That is a wise move, but transparent.

You did not say her choice was "controversial," you said it was:

a horrible idea & it's easy to show why

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:14 PM

48. No changing, exactly in line with my OP. Not even a good try. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #48)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:24 PM

57. You have not...

 

demonstrated it is a horrible idea only that one guy on a blog thinks it is.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #57)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:28 PM

60. My OP makes clear why its a horrible idea. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #60)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

61. I just don't agree. /nt

 

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

64. Are you a member of a diversity group? nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #64)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:33 PM

74. As a 61 year old White Man...

 

I suspect no one would consider me a member of a diversity group. On the other hand apparently the organizers of this event are and they made the invite.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #74)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:36 PM

78. That's why you don't understand. Ask a member of a diversity group about the situations

 

I outlined in the OP.

Ask an African American how they would feel about:

- A white man who hasn't done much for African American rights signed to speak on the the first day of a conference for African Americans when it is the first conference for African Americans in 40 years.

etc.

You will get 99% all feeling the same way.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #78)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

90. I understand...

 

that the African American you describe may well not want the white man you describe to be speaker at the conference you describe. If African Americans were putting on the conference and decided they wanted the white man in your description to speak I would believe they understood better than I who is appropriate to speak. I give the same deference to Tamika Mallory and the other women who organized this. At the same time I don't see you having any better claim on who should speak at the Women's Conference than I.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #78)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:12 AM

176. Too bad this confernece was organized by straight white men

No doubt they didn't know any African Americans they could ask

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #78)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:56 PM

262. I'm AA and definitely not a Bernie fan. But I understand why Tamika chose Bernie as one of the

speakers.

Most AfAms are focused on the Obama Foundation Summit on Oct 31st and Nov 1st.




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Response to stevenleser (Reply #60)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:13 AM

188. No it doesn't. It states a bunch of ridiculous

analogies none of which are legitimate in themselves. In fact, your OP makes a good case against itself using your reasoning.

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Response to KPN (Reply #188)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:05 PM

225. Its a straightforward and obvious set of facts that you can't refute.

 

Your flailing is evidence of that.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #225)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:32 PM

229. Say what you will.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #57)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

65. It was an idiot idea and there are many reasons why.

We don't elaborate on those on Bernie Underground though. Try Twitter.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:06 AM

185. And she supported it regardless because she thought it was a good thing to do.

And obviously the right thing.

Strikes me that some are making a major controversy out of differences of opinion again. Oddly, and ironically, the same quarter that consistently harangues about the other side having a "purity" test. No credibility.

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:00 AM

112. Wait, wait , wait.

You say.

The conference organizers invited him. Maybe we should let the people who have the desire and ability to put together and organize a conference decide who should be invited to speak.

Many women admire Senator Sandersand are thrilled to have him speak at the conference. They should keep everyone else happy even though they seem to think that Bernie is relevant as a principal speaker at the event?


So the few, and I am told two decided that he speak first. They should speak for us all and our 10 fold voices must just be silenced when we say he should not. So all women's voices collectively do not count when we say no.?

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 09:05 AM

180. that's crazy talk

this guy who wrote the op knows what women should do.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:20 PM

8. If the conference organizers invited him, and if the conference organizers are women,

are you criticizing their decision? It sounds as if the actual conference organizers feel that having Bernie Sanders speak does have some relevance to the issue.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:56 PM

34. Seems pretty obvious... Bernie may not have been my first choice

for this particular conference, but, it's a perfectly reasonable one.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:35 PM

198. Agreed. eom

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:18 AM

130. Yes, thanks,

and Maxine Waters is a/the headlining speaker which many don't mention.

But oh yes let's fight among ourselves. I wonder why.

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Response to elleng (Reply #130)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:36 PM

199. Purity at all costs?

One small additional reason for the loss in 2016.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #199)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:07 PM

204. A 'big' reason, imo.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:15 AM

190. He/she who thinks the Democratic party

should be criticized in an attempt to improve it can certainly take some themselves? It is inconsistent for any Bernie supporter to claim there should be no criticism of anyone's proceedings.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:26 PM

13. Organizers are POC who admire him. Is their perspective shit?

You're basically shitting on WOC

WTF?

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Response to Arazi (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:28 PM

14. Not even a nice try. Laughable actually. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:38 PM

22. Still no good responses, because there aren't any. He's not a women's advocate at all.

 

The folks defending the choice are doing so not because he is an appropriate choice for the conference, they are defending the choice because they are political fans of Sanders.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:49 PM

29. I was hoping for an "I don't see gender" one.

Maybe later.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:44 PM

86. I was just going to say, the night is young.

 

You know we are going to see that eventually.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:50 PM

31. Thank YOU!

 

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:52 PM

32. K&R

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:03 PM

39. Actually the women who selected him

 

provided the explanation and it is far from laughable.

As you stated, there is no doubt that Sanders is on the right side of women's rights, even if it is not his top issue. Given that, his equally unquestioned ability to inspire and motivate activists, particularly young activists, makes him a fine choice to get convention attendees fired up for the more substantive speakers who follow.

Of course, you would have known this already if you had LISTENED TO THE WOMEN who invited him.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:14 PM

49. Oh I listened. Here they are

 


http://time.com/4981357/bernie-sanders-womens-march-convention/

Mallory acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice. "Some people just don't want to hear from Bernie Sanders," says Mallory. "There are some people who donít believe that a man has a place at a womenís convention."

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

51. And it's wide right

 

WMP sometimes cause a person to take their eye off the ball.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #51)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:18 PM

52. In other words, you really don't care what the thoughts are of the women who organized the

 

conference.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #52)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:32 PM

71. Have some dignity sir

 

Your point was already addressed the first time you tried it.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #71)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:40 PM

83. Read your response out loud in front of a mirror. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:09 PM

195. Exactly, right again. This is just a dishonest attempt to

elevate the image of one man over the efforts of literally millions of women. It's beyond absurd, but glad to see it being exposed and called out.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:23 AM

194. Which is disingenuous

People who don't want to hear from Bernie would be willing to hear from other men, so it doesn't follow. There are plenty of men who have done a lot more for women's issue. Bernie is one who disparages them as not as important as his issues.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

62. Bernie has disparaged people he claims practice identity politics,

and that phrase is divisive and anathema to many activists.

Anyone who claims that feminists or people concerned with racial justice are practicing identity politics is on the wrong side of the issue, no matter how well intentioned in his own mind.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710

Bernie Sanders said Monday that the path to success for Democrats has to be through more than just identity politics, adding that itís simply not enough for the party to base its appeals on diversity.

ďItís not good enough for someone to say, ĎIím a woman! Vote for me!íĒ No, thatís not good enough. What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry,Ē the Vermont independent senator and former Democratic presidential candidate said in a not-so-subtle rebuke to Hillary Clinton.

SNIP

ďAnd one message I do have for Democrats is that a strategy thatís just micro-targeting particular, discrete groups in a Democratic coalition sometimes will win you elections, but itís not going to win you the broad mandate that you need,Ē Obama told reporters during a joint news conference in Lima, Peru, on Sunday.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:34 PM

76. Well at least you're honest.

 

You're wrong, but you're honest that this is,all about hatred for Bernie

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #76)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:36 PM

77. Bernie has a one-size-fits-all-99% solution for political equality,

and that doesn't work for many of us.

And that solution doesn't fit a women's conference either.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #77)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:40 PM

82. Again, my compliments

 

I am here defending a friend. As a man i will not question any woman's position on the substance of issues uniquely affecting them. I get enough of that myself.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:51 PM

216. Dunno where you get "hatred" from a recitation of facts and direct quotes

But cool!

Tepid criticism isn't "hatred".

One of the things I admire about Bernie is his thick skin, he can handle criticism without pretending it is "hatred". He's a tough man.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:04 PM

41. I agree that having a man open the conference was a clunky decision.

 

Why couldn't they have had Nina Turner, for example, be the first speaker, if they absolutely couldn't find another prominent woman? Bernie wouldn't come at all if he couldn't have top billing, maybe? It just seems so tone deaf to me.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:07 PM

43. Thank you Steven

It really is that simple.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:07 PM

44. You're just pissed because it's Bernie

 

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #44)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:16 AM

129. As usual.

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Response to elleng (Reply #129)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:20 AM

167. Yes, I am pisssed that Sen. Sanders was chosen given his comments on identity politics and

planned parenthood. It is inappropriate and reeks of opportunism...IE sell expensive tickets...bad decision. I am out some money and will not trust this group again.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:08 PM

45. so you are basically saying Bernie has not done much on issues important to women

...and therefor has no place at a conference for issues important to women.

On what issues do you think he was lacking? Equal pay? reproductive rights? Something else?

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Response to Takket (Reply #45)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:12 PM

47. It's exactly as I said in the OP and I will elaborate

 

"Women's rights has not been one of Bernie's signature issues. He's probably on the right side of those rights, but that's not his bailiwick. "

Almost every elected Democrat is on the right side of most diversity issues. But none of them have the time to be particularly vocal advocates for ALL of them. No one has time for that. So, no, most elected Democrats would not be ideal speakers during a conference for the deaf for instance. I can see a man possibly being invited to speak at this conference if women's issues were their most important issue and they were constantly advocating for them and they had cred for being that way.

The conference organizers admitted that they knew this decision was controversial for both of the obvious reasons. They can't now say they are surprised by the controversy.

http://time.com/4981357/bernie-sanders-womens-march-convention/

Mallory acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice. "Some people just don't want to hear from Bernie Sanders," says Mallory. "There are some people who donít believe that a man has a place at a womenís convention."

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:25 PM

59. Just because it's controversial...

 

doesn't make it horrible or even bad.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:30 PM

66. Question

 

How does "acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice" get spun into Tamika [apparrntly disrngenuosly] saying "they are surprised by the controversy," or are you just grasping at any reason you can find to attack Tamika?

As I told another poster who is more interested in attacking Bernie than the goals of the Women's March, this garbage is on the verge of cleaving off yet another core Democratic constituency.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #66)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:34 PM

75. I'll answer, if...

 

you can explain how the first paragraph you wrote has any real bearing on the overall issue.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:31 PM

68. a well thought out reply.........

let me say this... what i would like to see...............

i would like to see an open invitation to ALL male politicians (and females for that matter) to a conference like this but not to give speeches, but rather to participate in roundtable sessions on how important it is to do exactly what you said.... not just support womens' rights but bring them to the forefront of their campaigns/legislation.

Equal pay is an example of something that makes a great campaign rallying cry. Gets lots of cheers, has the support of the public.... let me know when you see it before congress. :insert tumbleweed graphic here:

42% of women voted for drumpf. I can't help but feel if they saw more than lip service from Democrats that that number wouldn't be a lot smaller. In other words if you TALK about womens' issues but don't ACT on them, then women are not going to vote for you just because they think you support womens' issues. For the exact reason you said about Bernie........ "He's probably on the right side of those rights, but that's not his bailiwick."

Of course the obvious answer is we need to elect more women, but the wall of misogyny is this country is something I don't know how to scale.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:31 PM

69. Thanks For Fighting A Good Fight

At this point it will be wait and see. They could've put together a righteous gathering and that doesn't seem likely. The backlash has been tremendous. Ultimately, the proof will be in the pudding. If it is an event aimed at empowering women or an effort to support a 2020 presidential run, it will be evident pdq and if it's the latter they will have betrayed women beyond measure and won't get another bite of the apple.

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Response to Takket (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:19 AM

191. Likely there are men who have done more

Men can certainly support women's rights and have. There are surely some who are more involved than Bernie.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

50. k&r

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:22 PM

54. So far he's the only man to be invited who has accepted. That is odd.

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Response to George II (Reply #54)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:25 PM

58. Not true

 

There are other male speakers.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:32 PM

70. From their own website, here are the 44 confirmed speakers:

http://www.womensconvention.com/speakers.html

There is now one other male.

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Response to George II (Reply #54)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

63. There is one other male speaker and he is not speaking on day 1. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #63)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:33 PM

72. I stand corrected, there are 44 confirmed speakers on their website, 42 are women.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:30 PM

67. This was absolutely a tone-deaf decision

No matter how people try to spin it, it's still a WOMEN's conference. True, the organizers have the POWER to invite anyone they want, but they also have the OBLIGATION to keep the focus of the conference on women. The issue is not whether or not Bernie (or any man) can speak at the conference; clearly they can. But the KEYNOTE SPEAKER? No, no, no.

It's not like there aren't many strong, articulate women who have a real interest in women's issues. There are plenty of Democratic women who have worked long and hard on them.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:33 PM

73. I Would Rather Hear Bernie Speak At ANY EVENT

 

Than anyone else.

He has been fighting for us non rich people his whole life.

Boys and girls.

He always tells the truth, and that my folks is worth an invite every day.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:38 PM

79. I just drop this here. Carry on...

 

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #79)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:39 PM

80. That argument is beyond stale at this point. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #80)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

88. As I said carry on. 2018 is going to be a challenge at this rate, indeed... nt

 

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #88)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:59 PM

201. Do you believe a difference of opinion on an obscure website like DU will affect the 2018 election?

I don't. Besides no DU'ers are gonna sit home or vote for a Republican over this.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #201)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:32 PM

230. That is correct and many, including myself sometimes think a forum such as this matters

 

in the slightest.

It doesn't and that the Lords for this as otherwise we would be on a world of shit...

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:40 PM

81. It's pretty simple.

 

Bernie was asked to host the event. He accepted. End of story.
Note: I can almost bet you money he's doing this for nothing.

Oh, did anyone say anything about Bernie being the most popular politician for the past several months.
Not that it matters, but do ya think that might have had something to do regarding the invite?

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Response to Smitty63nnn (Reply #81)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:41 PM

85. Point 1 is Irrelevant and Point 2 has been previously debunked. nt

 

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Response to Smitty63nnn (Reply #81)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:45 PM

87. No, it was about time for someone to bring up that tired old argument.

He wasn't and he isn't -- at least, according to any known poll. The headlines were misleading, once you read the particulars of the polls.

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Response to Smitty63nnn (Reply #81)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:57 AM

119. He is not hosting the event.

He is making a speech.

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Response to Smitty63nnn (Reply #81)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:48 PM

215. "Doing it for nothing". It is illegal for a sitting congressperson to be paid to speak.

Senator Sanders does not violate the law.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:13 PM

92. I guess you told us!

 

Several men seem eager to tell women why they should not have Sanders at their conference. Thanks, guys. We won't let it happen again.

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Response to Philistein (Reply #92)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:15 PM

93. Put down your violin. The women organizing the conference knew their choice was controversial

 

http://time.com/4981357/bernie-sanders-womens-march-convention/

Mallory acknowledged that inviting Sanders was a controversial choice. "Some people just don't want to hear from Bernie Sanders," says Mallory. "There are some people who donít believe that a man has a place at a womenís convention."

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #93)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:21 PM

95. So what...

 

controversial just means people have differing opinions. Why can't you accept that?

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #95)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:24 PM

98. That has nothing to do with what that person said to me. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #98)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:25 PM

100. You keep saying that...

 

Tamika Mallory knew this would be controversial like you have a smoking gun. I'm just pointing out that controversial doesn't mean bad.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #100)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:27 PM

103. Nope, that was the first time I said that in this subthread.

 

You jumped at a comment of mine that was specifically geared toward that other persons comment and had nothing to do with your response.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #103)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:04 AM

113. I'm not sure how you...

 

are counting I think your responses 35, 36, 37, 47, and 49 are all examples of you saying the organizers knew they were making a controversial choice and the way I read it you are using controversial as a synonym for bad.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #100)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:35 PM

106. I'm giving up on this guy.

 

His initial premise was shaky, and then he said I was mansplaining. His responses seem defensive at best.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #93)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:24 PM

99. My violin? MY violin?

 

I'm not playing any sad songs here. I didn't organize the conference. I'm perfectly satisfied with anybody they want. I'm sorry Hillary can't attend, but maybe she thought Sanders being there made it inauthentic in some way. Maybe it does, judging by the reactions of many people here.

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Response to Philistein (Reply #99)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:26 PM

101. Sure you did, the first sad tune you reached for was

 

the mansplaining one. Which is pretty invalidated by the fact that the organizers knew full well that they would receive criticism for this choice for a couple of reasons.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:20 PM

94. Sigh. We have a buffoon in the White House who got there through treason.

He just signed an executive order that will cause people's health insurance premiums to go up double digits. People are gonna die in misery because of this.

He is talking about pulling FEMA out of PR because they are costing too much, and people are dying there.

He is threatening nuclear war with North Korea.

Due to gerrymandering, voter suppression, and treason, the GOP now control 33 state legislatures, 32 governorships, the WH and both houses of Congress.

And you're posting this?

WTF. I read all these posts and Steven, I must say you really, really seem to dislike Sanders. But, you know, he talks about kitchen table issues. The stuff people worry about. The stuff that will win us elections. Why do you care so much about this one little thing, Steven? It's just so...unimportant...in the great scheme of things.

Oh, well. Our democracy is nearly a dead duck anyway. So what the heck! They are TOTALLY WRONG for inviting Sanders to speak at their conference! Yep.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #94)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:23 PM

97. I can fight Trump and advocate for diversity issues at the same time.

 

As a matter of fact, sometimes both are the same thing.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #97)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:33 PM

104. It's late. Get some sleep. Pick up bashing again tomorrow with a fresh start.

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #104)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:41 PM

107. I'm so pleased with your concern for my sleeping schedule but no and no.

 

No, I'm a night owl and no, I'm not bashing.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:55 PM

110. I think Trump will win in 2020

 

I think Bernie will run and I won't vote for him no matter what and there are many democrats like me

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:05 AM

114. Never pass up a chance to bash Bernie

You feel better now?

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #114)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:06 AM

115. There is zero Bernie bashing in the OP but thanks for playing.

 

Do YOU feel better now?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #115)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:06 PM

203. mmm hmmm

Your post had nothing to do with throwing shade on Sanders.

Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining. I'm not that stupid.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #203)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:14 PM

206. Lol, you have no idea what a joke that is. Sorry, no sale.

 

Play that violin elsewhere, manufactured melodrama doesnít work on me.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #206)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:56 PM

218. +1000, notice that there is zero concern about the

actual women's conference, but rather Sanders' image and how He is treated. Just more proof this is not about the women at the women's conference.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:45 AM

117. K&R

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Response to betsuni (Reply #117)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:54 AM

118. Op is either Bernie Bashing or an expression that conference organizers need supervision. /nt

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Response to philly_bob (Reply #118)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:04 AM

120. Don't worry about Bernie, he's an experienced establishment politician, he can take criticism.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #120)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 03:29 PM

222. Right, Betsuni, I'm not at all worried about Bernie,

I'm worried about posters who identify with a Democratic strategy that lost big in 2016 trying to build a consensus against progressives on DU by -- what shall I say? -- snarky harping and disingenuous outrage.

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Response to philly_bob (Reply #222)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:52 AM

279. How disingenuous. You do sound mostly worried about Bernie.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:16 AM

121. IMHO - It is just more noise taking away from the disaster that is the Trump administration

I'm sorry - but these posts on DU just seem frustrating to me. I really don't care who the speakers are at a women's conference in Detroit. I'm freaking out about health care, the dismantling of environmental protections, the Iran deal, North Korea, Puerto Rico etc. What the hell is Trump and the Congress even doing? I can't keep up. I've found myself googling NFL operations manuals only to wonder why? What am I even doing? What are any of us doing? What matters?

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:35 AM

123. K&R! Thanks for making this a separate thread.

Bookmarked for later.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:48 AM

124. The Mansplaining Keynote

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #124)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:00 AM

175. Maxine Waters is the keynote.

Surprised that people who are so concerned about this convention don't know these facts.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:14 AM

126. This seems to be part of the continued rationalization (or a sadistic doubling down)

 

by some for mistakes made in 2016 election.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:14 AM

127. Maxine Waters is the headlining speaker.

Folks should get some facts, and get a grip.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:18 AM

131. After what happened to Barbara Boxer, DWS and a certain prominent Democrat

It's hard to imagine that somebody wouldn't have noticed that this looks really bad.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:39 AM

132. Jesus man!

If it bothers you so much, don't go. If it's too late to get a refund, I'm sorry, but no one is forcing you to listen to him speak. There are 59 other speakers there.

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #132)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:17 PM

208. Ny name isnt Jesus, and this is a political discussion forum

 

We discuss politics including diversity issues.

If that bothers you so much, donít read the posts.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #208)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:59 PM

220. Okay

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:19 AM

133. Long past time to stop bashing Bernie

Time to focus on beating the GOP in 2018 and 2020

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #133)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:16 PM

207. There is no Bernie bashing in the OP. Not even a nice try. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #207)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:51 PM

247. Seriously...the endless repetition of the phrase "hasn't been a particular backer"

 

isn't bashing?

You do realize that a lot of women, particularly women under 30 to 35, don't see Bernie as someone who isn't on their side, right?

Whatever you may have intended, this thread reads as a continuation of your endless campaign against everyone to the left of your comfort level, and everyone who challenges the Democratic insider narrative.

To build a sustainable non-Trump majority, there needs to be an engagement with the Sanders movement. This invitation is, in my estimation, about such a process of engagement.

And I'm not sure it's the place of either of us, as men, to lecture a women's organization on who they should invite as speaker-especially since I'm fairly sure that you would not only insist that they invite a woman-which is a reasonable thing to at least suggest-but also that they only invite an ally of HRC, and then only one who would perpetuate the "it's Bernie's fault that Hillary's not president, therefore we have a responsibility to never listen to or engage with any of his supporters" thing.

It's time to let 2016 go, steven. The result was caused by a perfect storm and no one change-including Bernie being barred from the Democratic primaries and the primaries becoming a bland, passionless debate-free dead zone like you'd have preferred-would have made any difference.

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:37 AM

137. He has a history of disparaging

"identity politics" and many women and people of color have been put off by that.He thinks economic justice will naturally lead to every other kind of justice.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710

Bernie Sanders said Monday that the path to success for Democrats has to be through more than just identity politics, adding that itís simply not enough for the party to base its appeals on diversity.

ďItís not good enough for someone to say, ĎIím a woman! Vote for me!íĒ No, thatís not good enough. What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry,Ē the Vermont independent senator and former Democratic presidential candidate said in a not-so-subtle rebuke to Hillary Clinton.

SNIP

ďAnd one message I do have for Democrats is that a strategy thatís just micro-targeting particular, discrete groups in a Democratic coalition sometimes will win you elections, but itís not going to win you the broad mandate that you need,Ē Obama told reporters during a joint news conference in Lima, Peru, on Sunday.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #138)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:45 AM

139. Many women were offended by this statement of Bernie's, and others like it.


Hillary was extremely well qualified. It was demeaning to suggest she was asking for votes merely on the basis of being a woman.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710


ďItís not good enough for someone to say, ĎIím a woman! Vote for me!íĒ No, thatís not good enough. What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry,Ē the Vermont independent senator and former Democratic presidential candidate said in a not-so-subtle rebuke to Hillary Clinton.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #140)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:50 AM

141. When did she ever play the damsel in distress?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #142)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:55 AM

143. Trump WAS deliberately hovering over her and invading her personal space. That was a form

of harassment. And yet she only brought that up AFTER the election. The last thing she was, was a damsel in distress.

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:03 AM

145. First you insulted Hillary and now it's Gore. I get the idea. nt

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:56 AM

160. Yup.

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:26 PM

212. Im almost sorry I missed the action

 

Please Pm me what our posting removed friend had to say!

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:16 AM

147. Tea Roll

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:24 AM

150. trump supporters are shitbags

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:30 AM

153. no, i don't have any shitbags in my family

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:34 AM

155. shitbag trump supporters don't deserve respect

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Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:41 AM

157. yeah, trump supporters are also fuckwads

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Response to Name removed (Reply #140)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:32 AM

173. Played the vagina card?

 

That seems an odd thing to say. But I have seen this comment before, just not here.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #138)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:16 AM

165. I don't. I am a woman. And while I respect all opinions. I won't go see a guy open a woman's

conference. We need a prominent woman to do this. It should be Maxine who is awesome. And Sen. Sanders is a particularly bad choice as he wants to emphasize economic rights while de-emphasizing identity politics which include woman's rights, gay rights and civil right.(remember Heath Mello?). He also called planned parenthood establishment. I was going to this conference for a day even though I shouldn't as my hubs just went back to work. And, I went to the Woman's march; it was great, but this no...I am not going. They ruined it by making it controversial and divisive which is the last thing we need.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #137)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:28 AM

171. And yes some women and people of color had a problem with that. Not all by a long-shot, and I doubt

 

even most.

I myself do not fall into either group but I entirely agree with the sentiment that it should be about the actual policies that help or hurt women or people of color, not simply about identifying as a bonafide representative of one group or another. I personally was dismayed at how vague Clinton's campaigning actually was. She said little of substance often, because no doubt, that was the strategy they thought was best...to try to be everything to her likely voters, and to alienate none of them. The one thing that she and her surrogates did campaign on though, vigorously, was that she was a woman. They calculated that that would be a winning message at this point in history. "I'm with her." "There's a special place in hell for women who don't vote for Hillary." Etc. I understand that approach. I appreciate that her fairly conventional unwllingness to delve deep into specifics that might piss off one institution or another was a tactical choice that may not have reflected on how she governed from the White House at all, but I'm tired of that convention, and I think it has led us to where we are today.

No doubt, as people like to point out here, her platform was well laid out on her website. But actual policy was hardly what she stumped on. Her go-to's of "I will work with people in the industry to find common ground...blah blah..." were completely empty of specific goals. She was going for a feeling. She was selling identity, and not just hers, but party identity. That was all well and good, had there been more details that she was selling...had there been more big ideas, had there been well defined(and lofty enough) goal-posts...

As to economic justice....you cannot move on social justice without it. I would love to see a salient argument that makes that case. As to Sanders trying to move on economic justice without social justice, that characterization hardly reflects his time in congress or the Senate. He just actually recognizes that the failure of moving towards economic justice is stunting our ability to move forward on social justice. Everybody needs to fucking recognize that already.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #137)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:21 AM

193. He ticks me off

No one ever said vote for Hillary solely because she is a woman. And she does have the courage to stand up to Wall Street, blah, blah, blah.

He was the one being oversimplistic.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #134)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:23 AM

168. That was almost 60 years ago...and his comments of late have been about emphasizing economic

justice over human rights or what he calls identity politics.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:46 AM

158. We are sooooo fucked! SMDH. n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:03 AM

162. Oh come on, among numerous speakers allies to these groups have no business speaking? They

 


don't help to draw attention to these causes? You've got to be kidding. Sanders is 1 of many many many speakers...and there are only two men at the whole damn convention. This outrage is fucking ludicrous.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #162)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:17 AM

166. We don't need this sort of attention.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #166)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:30 AM

172. that is depressingly vague. Who doesn't. What's the attention you are getting that you object to?

 

You don't like the man, and I have to say, more than anything, I feel like that's what this comes down to. It wasn't that long ago that you were decrying Sanders going into a debate where he was tasked with defending the ACA, remember?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #172)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:54 AM

179. I don't care for Sen. Sanders. I am a Democrat, and he has said some things I wish he hadn't about

the Democratic Party. I won't vote for him in a 2020 primary, but that has nothing to do with this. It is a women's conference. Maxine Waters a champion of human rights including woman's rights should have opened this conference. And as no one can deny Sen. Sanders has said things negative things about identity politics and planned parenthood as well...all of this adds up to Sen. Sanders was a bad choice for this conference, and if they were going to do this, it should have been done during the time, one could get the money back for a ticket... I am out over $100.00 plus the cost of the hotel room. I am not going now. I won't be so trusting next time if this group plans another event. The Women's march was great. This is very divisive and harkens back to the 2016 election in my opinion...we just don't need that. I hate to be cynical...but this looks like an effort to sell expensive tickets.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #179)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 09:47 AM

181. So you are going to miss the conference...

... and all it has to offer because 1 of something like 50 speakers/programs is a politician with whom you have some disagreements? And it's not even actuall policy disagreements so much as the prioritization of his policy hierarchy?

I don't always like the blunt criticism Sanders sometimes hurls at the democratic leadership (not democratic people, liberals, progressives or even democratic planks - just the leadership as far as I can tell), and sometimes I think his mouth outruns his brain. But some of it's not wrong. And we - Democrats - use to benefit from criticism before Boris and Natasha started fanning the flames of vitriolic division. It's not always bad to remind progressive leaders to lead progressively.

But I wish you would reconsider not attending the conference. What's the downside? You might enjoy 95% of it (a pretty good ROI), you might hear Sanders speak and find a way to reconcile some of your differences with him - or at least mitigate them. Or you can skip his program and hang out at the pool.

I am genuinely starting to be concerned that 2018 and especially 2020 are going to be republican landslides unless we figure out a way to get down to issues and not this overhyped division. It's 3 years until 2020. We're either going to get our shit together, or get flushed. It's up to us.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #181)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:32 PM

260. I wanted to go to a Woman's conference...not a political rally and it seems to me that this is what

we have here...very disappointing.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #181)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:27 AM

277. I refuse to attend this conference because it is not a woman's conference which I signed up for...

but a political rally.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:55 AM

174. Using your logic it is not your place to complain.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #174)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:11 AM

187. +1111111111!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #174)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:21 PM

210. Nope, everyone can complain. Just not everyone should be a conference speaker. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #210)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:44 PM

245. As a man you know more than the organizers of the event?

Who nominated you to make these rules? Face it, you do not like Bernie so you cannot miss an excuse to slam him. Argue against his politics, fine, as long as it is fair, but crap like this is just unnecessary division we do not need.

Bernie has constantly fought for equal rights for everyone. He doesn't have to be a member of each particular class of discriminated individuals to do so, and neither do we! As a matter of fact, we should all be fighting against discrimination in all forms and each group of discriminated people need outsiders to join their cause to fight the hate and prejudice!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #245)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:50 PM

254. Your response is a perfect example. See my #253 below nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #210)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:58 PM

249. Has this group reserved speaking slots exclusively for women in the past?

 

And would you have been this strenuous in objecting to any other man being invited?

It sound like this is more about you refusing to let 2016 go and work for unity through respect and engagement than it is any actual concern for who speaks at this conference.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #249)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:11 PM

257. First conference in 40 years. But there is precedent for inviting men

 

And I wrote an OP recently about one of the more famous men invitees that I think sets the standard. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029708758#post9

This shows how silly Sanders being invited really is

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #257)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 09:37 PM

265. I hadn't realized this was a fortieth anniversary event. That conference was heroic.

 

I get it that you are on an endless vendetta against Bernie(and would probably be outraged that anyone who supports the values of his campaign would be speaking to the Conference) but it's hypocritical to invoke the 1977 event-especially since nobody you would want to see speaking on the first day supports the program outlined in the Call to Action and none have worked to implement any significant part of it.

And you would probably be outraged if the things outlined in the Call to Action were ever proposed as planks for a Democratic platform.

I salute the 1977 conference. Perhaps those who are organizing the 2017 conference are trying to re-connect with the kind of politics that animated it.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #265)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 09:50 PM

266. Nope, I voiced my specific objections in two OPs.

 

Either address those or you and I have nothing else to discuss on this issue.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #266)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 10:05 PM

269. Your specific objections can be summarized thusly:

 

1) You hate Bernie. think he should never have been allowed to run in our primary, and won't stop your vendetta against not only him but his supporters until this party totally anathemizes all of them.

2) For some reason, you think you are a greater authority on who and what the Women's Conference should hear than the Women's Conference themselves.

I would personally advise Bernie to turn down the invitation for the greater good, but I respect the right of the Conference to make its own choices.




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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:28 AM

178. I lulz'd

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 10:43 AM

182. yep...

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:10 AM

186. Says a male.

BS analogies -- nothing but hyperbole.

Too many people already expressed why your OP is off base above for me to do so at this point -- not going to repeat everything? Just quit with the Bernie hate already. All you are doing is dividing.

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Response to KPN (Reply #186)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:23 PM

211. Nope, the conference organizers, who are women, all acknowledged the choice was controversial

 

So sorry, your argument fails.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #211)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:35 PM

214. Okay I can play that game.

Nope ... the organizers knew it would be controversial for some but felt the positives outweighed any controversy so went ahead with it. Your argument fails.

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Response to KPN (Reply #214)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:57 PM

219. No game, your argument fails. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #219)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:30 PM

228. Nope

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Response to KPN (Reply #214)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:51 AM

278. Bingo! Your answer pretty much decimated this entire reason for this thread. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #211)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:55 PM

248. It's not your place to lecture a women's group as to who they should invite to speak.

 

Were I a woman and a member of the group making the decision, I wouldn't have invited Bernie myself-I'd have invited a women who was either neutral in the '16 primaries, like Elizabeth Warren, OR if not available a woman who backed Bernie, as many women under 35 did, to speak-but I recognize that it's their forum and their decision.

It's too late to reverse it now.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #248)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:51 PM

255. Again, see #253 below. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 11:14 AM

189. They have the word Women in their title

But apparently, they are more of a Bernie organization than a women's organization.

Could be like the "socialist" in the name of the Nazi party.

If he is one of the speakers that is one thing, but as the top speaker, that proves they are more Bernie than they are Women.

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Response to treestar (Reply #189)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:23 PM

196. Maxine Waters is the keynote speaker.

Is Maxine Waters a Berniebro now?

Only 2 men out of 60 invited

This little dust up has reached ludicrous stage now.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #196)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:37 PM

197. I was under the impression that

Bernie was. If Maxine opens it that makes it more a womenís organization

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Response to treestar (Reply #197)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 01:44 PM

200. Bernie's still opening it. But after the backlash, they announced Maxine

would be a "keynote." On another day. As of September 19th, however, there still wasn't a confirmation that Maxine was even coming. That happened later.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #200)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:04 PM

202. So basically they had a PR disaster on their hands after all the pushback they received

Great to hear Maxine will be keynoting.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #200)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:37 PM

231. they said they announced the keynote as Waters weeks ago. Do you have an article or evidence you've

 


uncovered or failed to find of that fact after searching that you are using to support your claim that her keynote was an afterthought or damage-control?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #231)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:42 PM

232. Yeah, that's what they're saying now. But as of Sept 19th they still weren't confirming Maxine

was going to be attending, much less be a keynote -- though they were happy to use her "voice" in naming their convention.

ept. 19:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/09/19/maxine-waters-womens-convention-detroit/682216001/

In its announcement, the Women's March organization said Waters' words: "resonate beyond the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. Women everywhere are tired of being interrupted, of being told to sit down, shut up and take less space.

SNIP

The words "reclaiming my time" were used in memes that spread on social media like weeds in an untended garden. DJ Adam Joseph turned it into a dance mix and Broadway performer Mykal Kilgore came up with a gospel version of the words in a nod to the congresswoman.

SNIP

Tamika Mallory, co-president of Women's March, said in a statement that the organization is honored to have Waters' voice "play such a pivotal role in our convention. 'Reclaiming Our Time' really captures the essence of this convention and why we believe this is such an important moment to convene, make our voices heard, and show that the rise of the woman is the rise of the nation.Ē

The Free Press left a message Tuesday with Waters' office in Washington, D.C., trying to confirm whether she would attend the event or serve as a speaker or panelist. She did not respond. A spokeswoman for the Women's Convention could not confirm Tuesday whether Waters would attend the convention or play a role in its events.

Few other details are available about the convention, which is five weeks away.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #232)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:44 PM

233. but it's October 14th now, and the backlash started a couple days ago. when was she confirmed

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #233)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:52 PM

234. The backlash came when they announced Bernie, and Tamika appeared to confirm

that he was the "headliner."

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #234)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:59 PM

235. appeared to confirm?

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #235)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:24 PM

240. Yes. She didn't correct the reporter who used the word "headliner" to refer to Bernie,

as reported in an article on October 12.

Being one of a "lot of other people" at the conference isn't equivalent to being the opening speaker or the headliner.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/12/bernie-sanders-speech-womens-convention/756825001/

When Women's March co-founder Tamika Mallory was asked: "People are going to say, wait a minute, thereís a man as the headliner at the Womenís Convention, the first womenís convention in 40 years?" she replied:

"I would say that (U.S. Rep.) Maxine Waters is also coming to the conference, and we know she has been a very, very powerful voice in terms of all weíve seen happening in terms of this administration, particularly, and sheíll be at the conference as well. And a lot of other people have been invited to the conference and weíre hoping to hear back from these folks. Thankfully, SenatorSanders has agreed to attend."

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Response to treestar (Reply #189)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:08 PM

205. Bernie is the first speaker; Maxine is the keynote

Do you need someone to explain to you which is the most important position?

I went to a concert. The big name band went last. A band I never heard of went first. Want to guess which band people named when they talked about which concert they went to.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #205)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 02:53 PM

217. I need to find out who is the keynote as

the other poster in this exchange claimed it was Maxine.

And Bernie is just speaking on the first day - presumably the second day is OK as that is when the other male person is speaking.

This organization seems a bit Bernie-related to me rather than being just a women's organization, but I likely have a lot to learn.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 03:02 PM

221. In other news: man lectures women about stuff.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #221)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 04:18 PM

227. Nope, the conference organizers, who are women, all acknowledged they knew the choice would be

 

controversial.

Sorry, they validated my opinion. You need to move on to another superficial accusation.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #227)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:00 PM

250. No, they didn't validate your opionion.

 

They simply acknowledged that people might disagree with their decision.

The group could hardly say anything else.

They weren't agreeing with you and revoking the invitation.


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #250)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 06:44 PM

253. That is validating my opinion

 

Fact is, a number of proBernie speaking folks have tried to use a number of disengenuous attacks on people critical of the decision to have him as speaker.
Including the hilarious accusations of mansolaining from people who have never been interested in womenís issues before or the whole ďThey are WOCĒ line from people who have both never been interested in womenís issues or issues regarding people of color.

Both of those attacks are invalidated by the fact that the organizers who made the decision who are WOC acknowledged that they knew the decision was controversial. So as you can see, it canít be mansplaining or against WOC to think so.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #253)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:09 PM

256. They are simply validating the idea that not everyone would agree about their decision.

 

They are not agreeing that you, personally, are right and that they were wrong.

They simply said some folks wouldn't like it-they aren't saying they're obligated to defer to those who don't like it-especially those who aren't women.

People who preferred Hillary to Bernie in the primaries are not the ONLY supporters of feminism, they don't OWN feminism as a concept, and you, as a man, are not entitled to women as to who they invite to speak. None of us are.


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #256)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:15 PM

258. And in doing so, validated the opinion and also took it out of the realm

 

of mansplaining

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 05:15 PM

237. He shouldn't speak at the conference. But this shouldn't be another excuse to go after him.

 

Bernie didn't invite himself to this thing...he himself isn't the problem...what I'd say he should do is to suggest that instead of him, they should invite a woman who wasn't associated with EITHER 2016 campaign to speak to the group.

You'd be ok with that, right?

The speech should be given by a woman from the next generation of feminist leaders, as our party needs to move on to the next generation of political leaders.



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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:02 PM

263. Bill Clinton headlined their gala.

Your point?

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #263)

Sat Oct 14, 2017, 08:07 PM

264. Looks like he headlined the Emily's List Award Gala

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 12:07 AM

271. LOL

 

Seems to me working for the empowerment of women needs to include letting them invite whoever they want to speak.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:59 AM

274. Also they waited to tell them about this decision so many felt that was wrong too.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:19 PM

282. I'm happy that the organizers made the right decision and moved Bernie to a break out session

 

and that he no longer has a prominent speaking role in the main hall on the first day.

As I said in my OP, had this not been changed it would have been wrong no matter which diversity group you were talking about.

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