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<snip>By Laurie Loisel Globe Correspondent October 16, 2017
HOLYOKE Business owners in Western Massachusetts apparently associate themselves with the 45th president at their peril.
Just ask Dave Ratner, owner of Daves Soda and Pet City, a small chain of shops selling the unlikely combination of pet supplies, birds, fish, and beverages for humans. Ratner attended President Trumps signing of an executive order authorizing changes to the Affordable Care Act designed to create cheaper and less comprehensive health insurance plans. An Associated Press photograph of the event, with Ratner smiling broadly behind Trump, has come back to haunt him, big time.
It was 42 years of building a wonderful brand and having it destroyed in one day, said Ratner, interviewed Sunday morning after what he terms the worst two days of my life.<snip>
<snip> For some of Daves customers, that explanation is not good enough. Comments on the company website and on social media have been brutal. Some have called him a scumbag or a fool. In an interview with the Globe, Ratner was moved to tears several times.
Ratners Northampton store manager, Shannon Durand, said her shop has been swamped with angry phone calls. Most people, she said, just wanted to yell.<snip>
Link;
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/10/16/dave-ratner-posed-for-photo-with-trump-now-facing-boycott/dvovCqgtAw1QF9wTxvlqVN/story.html
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)Glorfindel
(9,719 posts)That evil, gleeful, grin of absolute malice. Their reward is waiting for them.
MLAA
(17,250 posts)gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Someday have to choose between a meal, and medication.
iluvtennis
(19,833 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Evil human filth, all of them!
HAB911
(8,867 posts)He obviously can't think at all
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)You'd think his fellow Trumpets would rush to his support, since they are legion or whatever.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)If what he says about himself is true, I do feel sorry for this guy, but damn. What an utterly and completely ill-thought out decision to attend that signing.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I feel sorry for him too, but what did he expect?
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)I'm wondering if this guy is, for the most part, way more focused on business, and pretty much apolitical. He sounds like he goes pretty much overboard when promoting his business. Those reported robocalls would be enough for me to never do business with him.
alwaysinflux
(149 posts)He must've felt strongly about not wanting to have to pay for good insurance for his employees. He must've been thrilled at the prospect of being able to buy them junk plans instead. I do feel bad for him because I have empathy, but I'm also angry at his lack of caring for his employees.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)He might be one of the many ignorant individuals who take what trump* says, at face value, not realizing, or wanting to believe, that he lies, as easily as he breathes.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Ratner is a two-bit "celebrity" in his tiny Western Mass town. When I lived there we saw his commercials all the time. Hokey. Low rent. Anyone who has ever lived in such a market knows of these types of retail celebrities. Ratner was pretty much a goof. Just look at him he looks like a character from central casting. Anyway, I imagine that when someone of his stature (or, perceived stature) gets an invitation to visit the White House -- never mind actually being in a photo-op with the freakin' president -- their minds go foggy and the automatic reaction is to say "HELL YEAH!"
The real question is, if he's so big on providing insurance for his employees, how did the "good businessman" not know what Trump's plan was? Everyone who pays any kind of attention knew it. From that perspective, it's pretty difficult for me to believe he was duped. As another poster said, he probably jumped at the chance to cut his overhead substantially by only having to provide junk insurance to his minimum wage employees.
Siwsan
(26,249 posts)I'm out of sympathy for any business that loses customers because of even their hint of an attachment to trump*.
I suspect Mr. Ratner is going to say what ever he thinks it will take to remove the trump* stank from his name.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Petshop boy was upset when the ACA passed that his little industry group no longer had negotiating power over insurane rates. Instead of being happy that he no longer had to negotiate and that more people were now insured, he was whining because he lost "negotiating power." Cry me a river.
He's not sorry he supported the EO, just terribly sorry he got "caught." I don't buy that the was naive or uninformed. If you're going to washington every year regarding an issue then you better know something about that issue.
I hope his former customers send him stories when they, their family members, or their friends loose insurance. That would be the real learning experience for petshop boy.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)I have zero compassion for them.
usaf-vet
(6,161 posts)what did the idiot hope to gain. I feel sorry for his employees who have to bear the cost of their boss being an idiot.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)tavernier
(12,368 posts)Sorry! Can't help it!
I have a grammar addiction, but I'm seeking help.
JenniferJuniper
(4,507 posts)you know the rest.
Girard442
(6,065 posts)My guess is that this guy's head was so deep into the Fox echo chamber that he sincerely believed that Trump was so beloved that the picture would improve his business.
Guess what?
and he's probably a free market true believer who thinks that if only we let the "market" regulate things people would magically have reasonable cost healthcare.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Invisible hand of the free market has spoken. Hail Ayn Rand or something...
Republicans love that shit right? Mr Deplorable businessman's mileage may vary!
Serial Mom
(2,256 posts)Most of tRump supporters have been used and manipulated after analytics show how easily it can be done. Dumb-downed Americans come in all ages since education has failed us for decades, passing people thru so they can say they "grag-e-ated"
malaise
(268,693 posts)E'vry little action brings a reaction
Cattledog
(5,910 posts)He didn't even know what the "moron" was signing.
Bleacher Creature
(11,252 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 16, 2017, 11:23 AM - Edit history (1)
This guy was invited by the WH to be there when that Orange POS signed an EO gutting Obamacare.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)any president during a signing.
Maybe he was a willing fool and is now learning a lession. Hard lesson indeed, though not as hard as people who watch friends and loved ones DIE.
enough
(13,255 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)He'll find more sympathetic ears down there. Of course, his lifestyle will have to change a bit.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)"I wish I had been a customer so I could now STOP being one."
Dave is so clueless and such a phony that when he was asked if he was a tRump supporter, he had to confer with his PR agent first in order to know how to answer.
What a phony fuck. Screw you Dave.
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)I have no doubt he voted for Trump
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)When I read about the PR guy and the question about being a Trump supporter I was done. This guy is just another selfish snowflake crying now that the tables are turned on him.
Screw you Dave.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,142 posts)Asking if he "supports" Trump is too nebulous.
The thing that so ridiculous is that if the guy did his homework he would have found out that Trump's EO isn't going to help him one damn bit.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)I'm going to have to struggle a minute not to tell the reporter, "@*#$&@*%&@*#@!(*$(@#!*)($&!@#$*%(&!@)#(*$!@#*$ NO, you stupid !#*$@#$*@#." I'd need a couple of seconds to phrase it politely for publication. And it's theoretically possible he's in the school of thought which says you don't turn down Presidential invitations.
But he really does come across as a clueless twit who thought there wouldn't be blowback for appearing behind Trump during the signing of an EO. That last part is really hard to have happen to you accidentally.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)tRump voters need to learn their actions will have consequences
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)He'll blame liberals for his self-created problems.
Dumbass.
madaboutharry
(40,190 posts)was going to do. All Mr. Ratner needed to do was turn on the television to understand what was going to happen.
If he wants to win back his customers he is going to need a lot of help from the PR firm he hired.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)Doodley
(9,036 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,587 posts)He should have done more research before getting involved with that thing. Or anything Trump does.
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/daves_soda_and_pet_city_owner.html
Kleveland
(1,257 posts)I hope that he enjoys his new job at Burger King.
Maybe KFC would be more appropriate.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)than words, and you deserve what you get.
mackdaddy
(1,522 posts)the orange asshole signed away MY health insurance. ACA sucks in many ways but without it I will be financially destitute if I have any heath issues in the future without it.
Why should he be surprised if standing behind a giant orange asshole he gets covered in orange shit?
-Steph-
(409 posts)Executive Order that he proudly watched being signed. I hope his business is boycotted until it's forced to close the doors.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)anyone who colludes with that orange shit gibbon (trump) is a traitor!
Merlot
(9,696 posts)His businesses were successful, hate to see that go to waste. His employees don't deserve to be victims of his dumb-assery
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)Con business people are really bad people, all of them.
But the employees need jobs. Thus the problem with our version of capitalism.
justhanginon
(3,289 posts)"Associate yourself with men of good quality, if you esteem your own reputation, for it is better to be alone than in bad company". Trump is about as bad company as one could imagine.
It seems Dave did not heed this advice and is now paying the price.
Kittycow
(2,396 posts)I never heard that one before; thanks for being posting it
TeamPooka
(24,207 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)Bromwell
(123 posts)Fuck that guy. Too fucking bad asshole....that's called American freedom...freedom to call you out as an asshole, freedom to trash your store on social media....freedom to buy my goldfish at your competitor and NEVER shop at your store again.
Boo-fucking-hoo. Asshole.
And God almighty...is there anything worse than Trump's "smug smile"? Makes me want to puke.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)he is really sorry for is the bad economic repercussion. I have met many like him who are right wing bigots up to the moment something personally adversely affects them. The same thing will be happening with health insurance. I am sorry for his employees.
TeamPooka
(24,207 posts)Asked if he supports Trump a stance many say is suggested by the picture he paused the interview to consult with his PR adviser and then said, simply: Im not a Trump supporter.
When you need to ask your PR guy, then fuck you Dave.
dalton99a
(81,392 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Do you support the needless deaths of your fellow Americans? Men, women and children?
"Hold muh beer...Let me consult muh PR guy before I answer that"???!?!?!
FU DAVE!!
TeamPooka
(24,207 posts)to try to settle things down and he wasn't ready for THAT question?
And he has to ask his Rep before answering?
Either that's a failure of the PR rep to prep him for the interview or the PR guy should have fired him right then and there if they had gone over it before.
So much winning everywhere.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)people just like you who, consider it an education, maybe next time you'll value your business enough to remember associating with lowlife scumbags has it's consequences
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)so dude probably believed it for a small business event and not to screw millions of people out of healthcare for no useful reason.
Believe it or not, many Americans just aren't as political or partisan as the keyboard warriors on message boards. I bet many of his social media hate are from people who aren't even his customers. For the few who read the article, they've interviewed his customers and many believe he was duped and they are just there to buy some dog food.
Regardless of politics, pets need to eat. I doubt there's a lot of turnover in pet store customers. I'd be more concerned with the epic evil perpetuated by large corporations than some small business.
Botany
(70,447 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Dave Ratner: I was duped by the White House. I do not support Trump's executive order on health care (Letters)
http://www.masslive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/10/i_was_duped_by_the_white_house.html
edit .... fuck him
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2017/10/12/mass-business-owner-at-trump-health-care-signing.html
Dave Ratner got chills as President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence walked into the Roosevelt Room of the White House to sign an executive order Ratner called "a huge deal for all small businesses.
No matter what you think of Trump or his policy, this is a good thing, said Ratner, who owns seven Daves Soda and Pet City stores in Western Massachusetts. It was, 'Holy smokes, Im here with history.' It was very cool.
-Steph-
(409 posts)proudly watched being gutted for the rest of us?
Atman
(31,464 posts)The big question is, will this change his mind? Will it make him understand how loathsome and hated Trump and his policies really are, or will Ratner just dig in his heels like most Trump supporters do? I do feel badly for the employees who will wind up losing jobs through no fault of their own, but these idiot Trump supporters need to wake the fuck up. We're not playing here. People lives are at stake.
keithbvadu2
(36,655 posts)dalton99a
(81,392 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)You stood behind a racist, sexually abusing, embezzling con artist with a big grin on your face and you're wondering why your customers will now take their business elsewhere?
You're an idiot. Try selling stuff for people to deal with the nuclear war Trump is goading North Korea into starting. You can make some profits there.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)onetexan
(13,020 posts)people's healthcare rights? This man deserves the shellacking he's getting.
boston bean
(36,218 posts)He needs to get out of the online comments bubble that probably made him feel he was in a majority.
LOL!!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)He is well liked in the area and Western MA is the reddest part of the state. Yes people are angry and upset with him, but pretty much anyone who is a customer will overlook this as Dave being bamboozled by the Trump admin. His business may take a short-term hit, but he employs a large number of people in the area and he is one of few local suppliers of pet goods.
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)Drumpf got smoked in Western Mass. His "base" seemed to congregate in the counties around the Cape & Central Mass (where Hillary beat him by 10% or less... with everywhere else being a 20 - 30% blowout for her).
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/massachusetts/
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)But it is absolutely the most conservative part of the state.
louis c
(8,652 posts)First, everything in America is now political. Football, movies, other sports, holidays, damn near everything.
I stopped buying at L.L. Bean because one of the owners donated to the asshole, moron.
So, let's look at Dave the Moron. He goes to the White House to take a picture with Trump the Moron. It becomes a national story. All the normal people (anti-Trump) now know Dave's either and asshole or a moron. They boycott his store.
Dave, in order to stem the criticism, apologizes for being "Duped". He goes for the moron explanation instead of the asshole explanation as his reasoning. Now, all the Trump people think he's a coward, asshole.
Dave's business will never recover.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Then search for pet food. There are no options in Agawam, Springfield or Westfield that aren't some major chain whose owner(s) wouldn't be any less of a Trump supporter.
As I said, his business will take a hit but it will persist.
louis c
(8,652 posts)Certainly not trailer park Trump voters.
His demographics are going to people who hate the Moron in Chief.
The typical Trump voter is white, male, over 50 years old.
Dave didn't get all that hate mail because he catered to the Trump crowd. And whether you think it's fair or not, I, and many like me, purchase with politics in mind.
TeamPooka
(24,207 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)having family up there a couple generations and as much as people point to "Boston", many of those towns in the rim (and even parts of working class Boston itself) and going around into the Cape, are about as red as you can get. There are some localities around Swingfield (that's what we used to call it) that might be reddish but nothing that compares to places near Worcester or Barnstable.
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)...the 5-college consortium area in Western MA (which included my alma mater UMASS/Amherst, Mt. Holyoke College, Amherst College, Smith College, and Hampshire College).
Not sure what he expected?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And it's all downhill from there.
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)And Mackey's editorial trashing Obamacare?
Lotta "earthy crunchies" told him to go fuck himself, the vulture capitalists saw a weakness and exploited it, and next thing you know, Amazon bought it up, and has pretty much absorbed it into the Amazon ecosystem. The end.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Cosmic justice kicked 'Whole Paycheck' in the ass.
SAD!
Thanks for the links
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Amazon buying them for $13.7 billion with a 27% premium was one HELL of a payday.
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)the "pay day", in relative terms, was chump change for Mackey (mainly because he no longer had a significant amount of stock). I.e., when all was said and done, he "only" made $8 million off a sale that was in the billions.
Vinca
(50,236 posts)PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)Apparently the ACA precluded small businesses from forming consortia in order to negotiate healthcare coverage costs down.
This is why healthcare should NOT be tied to employment.
As to Ratner, I feel a bit sorry for him - it was a lapse of judgment, but 42 years of hard work down the tubes? Boycott petitions? One of his employees says in the article they felt he really was trying to get something better for his employees. Because if you run a small business healthcare is a HUGE cost item. And ACA requires you to carry it when you have a certain number of employees. So, naturally he is trying to get his costs down.
Which is why healthcare should NOT be tied to employment.
Bad policy.
So was it a dumb move for Ratner to be in the same room with the orange underwear stain? Sure was. Was he naive? Yes. Does he deserve to go out of business because of it? I don't know.
I mean, Trump fucks up everything he touches. I mean everything. Puerto Ricans are still dying and he's talking about them paying back Wall Street and pulling FEMA. California is on fire, with no end in sight and Trump hasn't even acknowledged that. Tillerson says that the US will negotiate with North Korea 'until the first bomb falls,' and now we're in a pissing contest with Iran.
Trump just doesn't give a shit. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He is profoundly ignorant. There just isn't anything good about this guy. He's a fucking sociopath. All you have to do is listen to him speak and you feel like you're wading through shit.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)See my explanation here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9717066
People are pissed, but the reality is he owns the pet food market in Western MA and he employs hundreds of people.
maxrandb
(15,295 posts)"Puerto Ricans are still dying and he's talking about them paying back Wall Street and pulling FEMA. California is on fire, with no end in sight and Trump hasn't even acknowledged that. Tillerson says that the US will negotiate with North Korea 'until the first bomb falls,' and now we're in a pissing contest with Iran. Trump just doesn't give a shit."
Does he deserve to go out of business because of it?
Throw in that thousands, or perhaps millions WILL DIE because of Trumps actions, so...yeah! Anyone who supports him deserves all the hell that can possibly be rained down on them.
He should consider himself lucky if all that happens is that he loses some business.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,142 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,761 posts)dalton99a
(81,392 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)in the street so he might save a hundred bucks!!!!!
I hope he and Trump rot in hell, that's what the evil money worshiping pigs deserves!! I hate deplorables with the heat of a thousand suns!
They are destroying this world for a dollar!
I hope his evil ass is run right out of business and he goes bankrupt. I'm sure the republican party will take good care of him!
EllieBC
(2,990 posts)That's disgusting. The store manager probably makes barely much more than minimum wage.
Learn to channel your anger properly, morons. Don't attack low ranking employees.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Say what you want about their unsavory corporate policies, but the idiot caught on tape screaming at some poor teenager was something else.
Oneironaut
(5,486 posts)It's the same thing with people who call up customer service lines and scream, "YOU did X and Y to me!" Also, people who treat waitresses and food employees like garbage are in the same category of 'moran.' They love picking on people they know won't fight back. It's cowardice.
Looking at Google. there are multiple Dave's Soda and Pet City stores. There is zero chance of the owner being at any of them, so people should avoid being a dumbass by calling those stores to spew their rage. Nobody that works there cares or should be involved.
EllieBC
(2,990 posts)I was at a Chevron getting gas and saw someone berating the employee over the prices and accusing him of price fixing with the PetroCan across the street. I spoke up and said the employee had ZERO say in cost per litre fuel prices and to take it up with Chevron's HQ or contact whatever ministry would handle price fixing suspicions. He walked out in a huff.
I happen to know the employees there make minimum wage and I felt awful that the poor guy working was the target of such bullshit misplaced customer rage.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)I always support the Democrats. But I also know my clients. And when President Warren invites me to be present when she signs a huge tax hike on the 1%, I'm going to respectfully decline.
rainin
(3,010 posts)the specifics of that day. But he knew, or could have known, and should have known, the character of this man. It is knowable that this man is destructive, a liar, vindictive, a narcissist. That's all I need to refuse that invitation. Maybe he doesn't deserve to lose his job, but he does deserve this rebuke.
I hope the people harassing him redirect their rage at members of congress who are keeping this despot wannabe in power.
mercuryblues
(14,522 posts)liar. Not political my ass. The National Retail Federation has a lobbying arm that donates strictly to republicans. They are against the minimum wage and providing healthcare to employees and unions.
flying-skeleton
(696 posts)This could not have been more deserving. Look at how happy he is and clapping even "after" knowing what Trump had done and signed. So all his hodgepodgery now at the disaster of his own making is BS.
BadGimp
(4,012 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)He only has his bad judgement to blame.
Every day Trump opens his mouth and lies, every day he makes another shitty 'policy' decision, the people who support him and associate him will be associated with his attitudes and behaviors. And rightly so.
That they don't understand why just proves their poor character judgement.
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)... I'm not going to say Thank God, but I will say that the Trump Stink never washes off. These suckers will bear the marks of his treachery and treason forever, and I prefer to call it "Karma."
JoJo
Mediumsizedhand
(531 posts)Ratner had a huge smile, causing pain and suffering for too many people.
It is, what it is.
-_O_-
(21 posts)"Asked if he supports Trump a stance many say is suggested by the picture he paused the interview to consult with his PR adviser and then said, simply: Im not a Trump supporter."
- that will win friends and influence people.
quakerboy
(13,916 posts)and pose smiling broadly for pictures with a known rapist and killer...
And sane people will not trust what you have to say in the future.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)He is lying.He does not care about your health care. If he did he would have informed himself about all of the aspects of the ACA.
MLAA
(17,250 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,712 posts)For nothing. Because the President had a mad and didn't work it out on Twitter. Mr. Ratner, please, tell me. How does it make it a better world for you if millions of your fellow citizens lose their health insurance? I would really like to know.
The Wizard
(12,536 posts)and get fleas. It happens all the time.