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Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:37 PM Oct 2017

Rachel: Trump callous treatment of Green Berets is diversion from what really happened in Niger

Rachel says Trump does not want to talk about what happened in Niger - all kinds of unanswered questions and he won't go there. This callousness with gold star families she says is a diversion from that. SHe gave other examples of how he is an expert of diversion, which we already knew, but she is raising a lot of questions about this that I haven't heard others asking yet.

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Rachel: Trump callous treatment of Green Berets is diversion from what really happened in Niger (Original Post) Amaryllis Oct 2017 OP
Something very strange about the whole incident. Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #1
Niger hearings anyone? Sneederbunk Oct 2017 #2
Why not? PJMcK Oct 2017 #4
486,236,000 . Well it seems like it SummerSnow Oct 2017 #13
Yes.Let the Repubs turn themselves inside out explaining. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #30
I would bet the RW would not want a Benghazi type of investigation on Niger. Thinkingabout Oct 2017 #3
NIGER ? what the heck was our military doing there. 4 dead soldiers. THIS IS TRUMP'S BENGHAZI. trueblue2007 Oct 2017 #5
The troops have been there since 2015 training forces against ISIS GusBob Oct 2017 #9
Before that actually... Baconator Oct 2017 #22
Huh? malaise Oct 2017 #40
They poke around the Chad, Niger, Nigeria border... Baconator Oct 2017 #41
But there have been bdamomma Oct 2017 #6
Lawrence Tribe also: Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #7
TY! Lucinda Oct 2017 #17
People are desparate to turn this into a Benghazi to 'get back'... Baconator Oct 2017 #23
Thanks for speaking out. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #31
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2017 #8
A Democratic House in 2018 must investigate this. Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #10
Damn it... Because Bush and Obama and their various secretaries decided it was important... Baconator Oct 2017 #24
Sure, Like when Pelosi refused to impeach Bush onit2day Oct 2017 #25
He didn't want to admit to a successful ISIS attack GusBob Oct 2017 #11
According to Trump he single handedly.... SergeStorms Oct 2017 #29
His VERY ignorant base believes him. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #32
who cares about his stupid base, 70% don't believe him KelleyKramer Oct 2017 #37
I care because they elected him Prez, with help from his friends. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #43
This is the republican Benghazi. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #12
That's just ignorant... Baconator Oct 2017 #26
No, same ineptitude on the part of the republicans for smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #36
Also, I am not the only person to have made the comparison. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #38
There is a difference between... Baconator Oct 2017 #42
NYT article from October 10th Takket Oct 2017 #14
He's keeping track of his portfolio ornotna Oct 2017 #20
Yep. Don Jr. Keeps him informed with dark sunglasses, Alice11111 Oct 2017 #33
The Republican draft dodger in chief is dodging the truth Achilleaze Oct 2017 #15
As I was listening to her I wrote a new post-it... BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #16
he does NOT intentionally DISTRACT Skittles Oct 2017 #18
It's both. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #34
agree, but it does appear there is something suspicious about what happened JI7 Oct 2017 #35
And yet another unforced error by this White House. longship Oct 2017 #19
Boko Haram have been very active in Niger, as has DAESH/ISSI. Here's a handy on line terrorist mulsh Oct 2017 #21
Was the mission so poorly planned and executed that Trump is afraid to UCmeNdc Oct 2017 #27
I dont watch that show but thats a dumb theory. bluepen Oct 2017 #28
Rachel is awesome madokie Oct 2017 #39

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
9. The troops have been there since 2015 training forces against ISIS
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:59 PM
Oct 2017

There are about 1000 in the region now

They will try and pin this on Obama

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
41. They poke around the Chad, Niger, Nigeria border...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 01:36 PM
Oct 2017

Assholes shot at me and I'm quite confident as to which side I was on.

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
6. But there have been
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:43 PM
Oct 2017

incidences of soldiers getting killed under strange circumstances what about those naval personnel that were killed doing war game exercises off was it the south china sea. the ship collided with another.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
23. People are desparate to turn this into a Benghazi to 'get back'...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:32 AM
Oct 2017

... but until something comes up they just look like idiots. The fact that Soldiers died is not enough in itself.

The Niger FID mission, among many others in Africa, is publicly known, legal and long established.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
10. A Democratic House in 2018 must investigate this.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:04 PM
Oct 2017

Without question, we must investigate why American Assets were there.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
24. Damn it... Because Bush and Obama and their various secretaries decided it was important...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:34 AM
Oct 2017

... and Trump kept it going.

This is black helicopter OGA tin foil shit.

It's just a fucking FID mission and I'll have words with anyone who wants to politicize these deaths just to take jabs at Trump. There's plenty for us to go after and until I see evidence otherwise I'll treat it as such.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
25. Sure, Like when Pelosi refused to impeach Bush
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:35 AM
Oct 2017

Or Obama declined to hold Bush/Cheney accountable for war crimes. I wouldn't hold my breath

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
11. He didn't want to admit to a successful ISIS attack
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:09 PM
Oct 2017

Goes against his "so-tired-of-winning" ego

I think in the coming days the distraction will turn to : blame ISIS

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
29. According to Trump he single handedly....
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:53 AM
Oct 2017

defeated Isis by himself. He actually believes this!

Trump's quote from yesterday's presser: "I totally changed rules of engagement. I totally changed our military, I totally changed the attitudes of the military and they have done a fantastic job," Trump said on "The Chris Plante Show." "ISIS is now giving up, they are giving up, there are raising their hands, they are walking off. Nobody has ever seen that before."

When asked what the difference was now, "Well, Donald Trump is President".

It doesn't look as if ISIS is throwing up their hands in surrender just yet, Donnie Dim-Wit. What an asshole.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. No, same ineptitude on the part of the republicans for
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:56 AM
Oct 2017

preventing it. What IS your problem? Not that I think it was the fault of the democrats for Benghazi, but they do.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
42. There is a difference between...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 01:52 PM
Oct 2017

... the delay in public response and his outreach to the families.

That was fucked up.

Benghazi got so much traction because State was asking for security resources that didn't make it, plus the drama that came during the attack plus the torture and death of Ambassador Stevens.

In short, there were things to point at in the top tiers of State, DoD and the administration to say "Hey, Why didn't you give X support"

What is the equivalent based on what happened in Niger? The fact they were there is not enough. We've been running that mission for years during the Obama administration as well.

Lack of support in Africa is a reality. Air, medical, fires etc... It's all much farther away than we are used to for those of us who grew up in Afghanistan and Iraq.



Takket

(21,555 posts)
14. NYT article from October 10th
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:36 PM
Oct 2017

Sounds like the soldiers were sent out without adequate medical backup and the FRENCH had to come rescue the survivors....


WHY WAS DRUMPF not aware of this problem and why did he do nothing to fix it? Isn't he keeping track of our deployments? Isn't he asking questions about our status? Isn't he asking if they have everything they need? These soldiers did NOT

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/world/africa/niger-attack-american-military-medical-evacuations.html

sorry i can't post a snip, can't copy and paste from the site for some reason

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
15. The Republican draft dodger in chief is dodging the truth
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:43 PM
Oct 2017

Once again. And of course the rest of the Republicans are just fine with all of these lies. Deplorable.

longship

(40,416 posts)
19. And yet another unforced error by this White House.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:16 AM
Oct 2017

When the Monday Rose Garden conference happened, he wasn't even asked about Drumpf's response, or lack thereof, on military deaths. Yet he volunteered that President Obama never contacted military families, a complete and utter lie.

Thus, yet another unforced error by this incompetent White House.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
21. Boko Haram have been very active in Niger, as has DAESH/ISSI. Here's a handy on line terrorist
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:29 AM
Oct 2017

activity mapping site that appears to be reasonably up to date. Surprisingly enough the CIA World
has a wealth of information about terrorism in North Africa too.

Perhaps the permanent, professional people in the National Security offices don't want to broadcast too much joint anti-terrorism activity.

[link:https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/|

[link:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/|

Of course none of this excused that pathetic loser donny and his abject lack of empathy. loser. sad.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
27. Was the mission so poorly planned and executed that Trump is afraid to
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:40 AM
Oct 2017

Talk about it? Something went wrong here and the Trump administration is afraid to admit it.

bluepen

(620 posts)
28. I dont watch that show but thats a dumb theory.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:45 AM
Oct 2017

The story of these four soldiers was about to fade away from what little coverage it got in the first place. By responding to the accusation about what he said, all Trump did was bring more attention to what happened in Niger. The story was going away no matter what that member of Congress said.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
39. Rachel is awesome
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:51 AM
Oct 2017

No one else out there like her. All she does is report the truth and the bad boys of government think she's giving them hell

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