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Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:42 PM

Let's go back a moment in time to the 'storm' Trump jokingly alluded to.

Friday night, last night, he quietly signed an executive order amending the one that allowed Bush to call up reserves and Guard for up to 24 months of service, and to call a limited number of military retirees back into service.

Here's his amendment: The consequence of this is the amendment to (Executive Order) 13223 signed by Trump, extends the state of emergency and allows the federal government to recall into service any “retired member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps.

So...what does this mean? Will Trump attempt to play the 'war card' to stay in power?

Here's a link to an interesting opinion piece in Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/21/1708645/-Forget-the-war-of-words-the-EO-Trump-signed-Friday-night-anticipates-a-war-with-massive-casualties

I bring this to all of your attention not to encourage we all get tin-foil hats, but to make the point that we are being battled by the forces of the Mercers and Charles Koch on a thousand different fronts. The idea is to get us, and our sense of moral outrage, to become jaded, to numb us, and to make all this 'the new normal.'

Never have we been this close to losing our republic.

Never.

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Reply Let's go back a moment in time to the 'storm' Trump jokingly alluded to. (Original post)
PatrickforO Oct 2017 OP
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #1
benld74 Oct 2017 #2
smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #5
benld74 Oct 2017 #10
Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #3
PatrickforO Oct 2017 #4
Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #6
highplainsdem Oct 2017 #8
BlueJac Oct 2017 #9
FakeNoose Oct 2017 #7
PatrickforO Oct 2017 #11
FakeNoose Oct 2017 #12

Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:44 PM

1. Guaranteed.

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:45 PM

2. THEN he leaves to golf 😡

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Response to benld74 (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:52 PM

5. Is that fat fuck golfing again this weekend?

God, I hate him!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 03:15 PM

10. Hes in Virginia again

MAGA
Millionaire
Asshole
Golfing
Again

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:49 PM

3. He'll start a war and then invoke war time powers?

Everything he does is self-serving.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:51 PM

4. This may be why he doesn't seem that worried about impeachment.

And subsequent trial before the Senate.

Because he may be planning to avoid that 'bigly.'

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:53 PM

6. Starting a war would solve a lot of problems for him personally.

And he could care less what a war would do to the rest of the world.

Just like Cheney didn't care that his Iraqi war killed, maimed, displaced millions.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:56 PM

8. That's a scenario I've been worried about.

It's obvious he would love to be a dictator.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 02:48 PM

9. Possible

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Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 01:55 PM

7. Well who does he start a war with?

And don't say North Korea, because any war with them would be over in a matter of days.

If this is really happening, he's taking orders from Putin. Who does Putin want us to start fighting?
That's the real question. Putin won't go to war, he'll make Trump do his dirty work.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 05:10 PM

11. Iran seems a good choice. Russia has oil interests in Niger.

Both of these may be good bets because Trump shares Bannon's views on enlightened capitalism (which actually seems to mean unrestrained capitalism), (white) nationalism, and Judeo-Christian values. He does believe that baby boomers took us more toward socialism during our lifetimes, which isn't true, of course. And Bannon, as well as many in the Trump administration, believe that we need an apocalyptic war against what he calls 'Islamo-fascism,' which basically is a way to see whether Yahweh, God or Allah is strongest.

A war with N. Korea wouldn't necessarily be 'over in a few days.' I don't know what you are thinking on that. The N. Koreans have a very militarized nation and have warred with us before. They weren't a pushover when they invaded S. Korea back in 1950, and they aren't now. In addition, China might take their side if Trump goes nuclear first. In which case, all bets are off, and we all might be sifting through ashes.

As to Putin, nature abhors a vacuum and what Putin is really about is trying to reinstate the might of the Tsarist Empire, or even put the old Soviet Union back together. If needless and stupid wars weaken the US too much, then Putin will step into that vacuum without the counterweight of US opposition.

As I say, I'm not advocating a tin-foil hat thing, but if we look at all these dots and connect them, then I definitely see some cause for alarm. Trump is evil. He does not care about the American people. He is profoundly ignorant. He needs a way to avoid being impeached for treason, breaking the emoluments clause of the Constitution, obstructing justice or some other things we don't even know about yet. He is a white nationalist whose dad was in the KKK. He is a misogynist. He is a xenophobe. He doesn't care about the very earth we live on. He is a sociopath. He does not care at all about the Constitution, his oath, or about the representative democracy of our republic.

If you're not concerned, and have cause not to be concerned, please talk me 'up' from this sense of impending doom. Because selfishly, I'd much rather not have the dogs of war march across this nation and sift through ashes and ruin when the war is over. That is unthinkable, or it WAS under Clinton, Bush and Obama. But sadly, it seems more an more 'thinkable' under Trump.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 22, 2017, 01:21 AM

12. Putin doesn't have any reason to start a war with China or North Korea

Both countries are too close for comfort (if nukes are deployed) and there's nothing for Putin to gain.
Maybe Iran yes, but his real foe is the Ukraine.

We would have no reason to ever go to war against the Ukraine, and it's totally not in our interest to do so. I agree that Trump is evil and the worst US President ever. However it takes more than that to start a war, especially a nuclear war.

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