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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:46 AM Jul 2012

Racism and white privilege are dragging us all down.

It is the legacy of slavery and it is the single biggest issue that has prevented the USA from moving forward for decades. It has prevented us from having a decent social net, it has manuvered us into a state of perpetual war, and it today obstructs meaningful politics on all levels of government. That is ultimately why I see the upcoming election as so important. The underlying racial issues are of a more fundamental relevance than any other single issue, and there has to be a referendum on them before any other issues can even be addressed properly.

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Racism and white privilege are dragging us all down. (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jul 2012 OP
It's going to take awhile BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #1
well said Blue_Roses Jul 2012 #2
I had privileges? Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #3
Perhaps the OP should have said "Racism and perceived white privilege". baldguy Jul 2012 #4
More to the point, it is white supremacy. A system we Solomon Jul 2012 #5
white priviledge is something that "whites" Blue_Roses Jul 2012 #7
Assuming your post means you're white, wickerwoman Jul 2012 #6
I think Dr. King said it best: Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #8
So do you think we're there yet? wickerwoman Jul 2012 #16
Sadly, ChazII Jul 2012 #19
Actually if you're a white man everyone knows, including you lunatica Jul 2012 #10
My, you read a lot into that. Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #11
Likewise lunatica Jul 2012 #15
Not this shit again,...inability to recognize advantage doesn't negate it's existance uponit7771 Jul 2012 #18
Slavery JustAnotherGen Jul 2012 #9
Of the total electorate, I think that less than one third are what you call racists white privileged upaloopa Jul 2012 #12
I'm not saying that everyone is racist. I'm saying the problem affects everyone. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #14
Yeah, but that third is the problem. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #24
Hopefully one day we will overcome this and elect a black President (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #13
One could indeed Hope for such a Change. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #21
It is a sickness. Truly it is NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #17
I disagree XemaSab Jul 2012 #20
race has not prevented us from having a decent safety net. that is just the technique the HiPointDem Jul 2012 #22
Agreed Mr Dixon Jul 2012 #23

BumRushDaShow

(128,258 posts)
1. It's going to take awhile
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:50 AM
Jul 2012

and alot of nationwide "soul searching", but I think we are still moving forward, despite all the nasty rhetoric that threatens to set us back.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
2. well said
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:09 AM
Jul 2012

and so true. As someone who lives in the south-and have, all my life-I totally agree. Racism "simmers" until confronted. When Barack Obama was elected president, it brought racism back to the surface in ways we could have never imagined. It often feels like the Civil Rights Movement never happened when you see how the vote is trying to be surpressed with these ID laws and other oppressive tactics.

I definitely thought we had moved passed all this.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
4. Perhaps the OP should have said "Racism and perceived white privilege".
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:18 AM
Jul 2012

The worst perpetrators are often the most conservative and have the fewest privileges. They feel slighted, and need to blame someone else - the weird aliens who don't look like themselves.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
5. More to the point, it is white supremacy. A system we
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:25 AM
Jul 2012

all participate in. Its jnot just southern racists. It's the system we live in.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
7. white priviledge is something that "whites"
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:54 AM
Jul 2012

often take for granted.

As a white child growing up in the south during the 60's, I never knew what it was like to have to fear that I might be harrassed just for the color of my skin. I never had to worry about having to drink from a seperate water fountain or go to the back of the bus because I was "colored," or get my food at the back door of a resturant since I couldn't go in.

It wasn't until I was much older that I realized that I had a very "priviledged" life even though my parents were "blue-collared" workers. I can't imagine what it must have felt like to be shunned for the color of my skin, but today,I certainly try to see it through different eyes. Many still don't. I'm not sure what brings someone to that point where they can "see" the plight of others, but I suspect it's a combination of how you were raised and "walking a mile in another's shoes."

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
6. Assuming your post means you're white,
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:33 AM
Jul 2012

would you trade your skin color for any other?

I know I wouldn't... not because it's inherently better to be white but because I know damn well for all the struggles I've had in life being female, fat and working class I have had a considerably easier ride than I would have had if I had been any other race.

Failing to recognize and acknowlege this and to attempt through social investment to make amends for it is part of what is holding the country back (although I think a bigger problem is people voting against their own self interest so that "those people" don't get a cent "they" haven't earned.)

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
8. I think Dr. King said it best:
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:58 AM
Jul 2012

" . . . a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
16. So do you think we're there yet?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jul 2012

And you didn't answer the question. If you're white and you had a choice, would you honestly choose to be black for the rest of your life knowing what you know about where we are as a country now?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. Actually if you're a white man everyone knows, including you
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 07:11 AM
Jul 2012

So your perceived victimhood here smacks of self-pity.

What white men should be thinking is if they feel the pinch then imagine what other races and the other gender feels.

When was the last time white men had to fight for their civil rights or pass laws to make them equal? Oh that's right! Never.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
11. My, you read a lot into that.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 07:17 AM
Jul 2012

All of it wrong, of course, but it gave me a good insight of your makeup.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
12. Of the total electorate, I think that less than one third are what you call racists white privileged
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 07:31 AM
Jul 2012

I don't mean to minimize the racial problem but I think you way overstate the idea.

The tea party idiots and their hangers on fit your description but please don't paint us all with that brush.

On edit:

I'm a white male. I didn't choose to be. Privilege was given to me. I understand all of that. It's what I choose to do with it that is important. In my way I try to let it not effect my relations with others. What I won't do is accept the guilt trip some people think white men should wear.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
24. Yeah, but that third is the problem.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 05:35 AM
Jul 2012

I don't think everyone is a racist by far.

But I do think there is close to one third of (working-poor) Americans who would rather starve in the street than see a dime of cash (not theirs cause they don't have any) go to a black person. And precicely that is dragging everyone else down.

And I think the roots of this are deep and go back to the civil war and slavery.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
17. It is a sickness. Truly it is
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jul 2012

I personally know some Republicans who would let their own children die from lack of health care if they thought that would get the "black fella", out of "their", White House.

I realize that to most of us here this sounds unbelievable. But unfortunately it isn't.

Lot of sick people out there.

Don

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
20. I disagree
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jul 2012

I think the biggest thing holding us back is the fantasy of the rugged pioneer living alone on the frontier coupled with a healthy dose of the prosperity gospel.

Racism is definitely tied in with these things, but I think it's more of a symptom than a cause.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
22. race has not prevented us from having a decent safety net. that is just the technique the
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jul 2012

ruling class used during a particular historical epoch. were race to be abolished tomorrow, the social safety net would not materialize, because the ruling class has many tricks up its sleeves and race is only one of them.

a race-blind 'meritocracy' would have no more of a safety net than a racist society so long as society is controlled by 1%ers and there is no real democracy.

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