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NNadir

(33,512 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 04:18 PM Oct 2017

I have never been so ashamed to be an American.

I'm at an industry event in Germany and there was a person checking attendees in at one of the halls.

There was no line behind me so she struck up a conversation.

She told me that her son is an excellent student, and that she'd worked all her life to be able to send him the United States for an American university education, but now she is afraid to do so. (She spoke excellent English, and excellent German.)

I tried to tell her that her son would be safe, but she refused to believe me.

She pinched her skin and told me she was born in Africa. "My son will not be safe in your country," she insisted.

I understand her point. It's very possible that an African young man with a German accent might well be killed in our country.

I'm so ashamed.

We are not just losing the fine citizens who saw our country as a promised land, the best of the best.

We are losing the intellectuals, the thinkers, the people of broad spirit and broad culture who have always enriched our country for more than 200 years.

I'm so ashamed.

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I have never been so ashamed to be an American. (Original Post) NNadir Oct 2017 OP
I will tell you what I told someone else Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #1
This MFM008 Oct 2017 #2
People are not safe in this country. We should be honest about that. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #3
How many Italians rescinded their nationality over Berlusconi? brooklynite Oct 2017 #4
I'm not denying it. I am simply ashamed that it has allowed an awful person like this racist... NNadir Oct 2017 #8
We all should be ashamed world wide wally Oct 2017 #5
That is really unfortunate. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #6
Maybe the same reasons treestar Oct 2017 #18
I've had a similar and gradually building experience bellmartin Oct 2017 #7
Welcome to DU volstork Oct 2017 #10
Nearly most of my life, I have never been accepted as an "American" yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #9
I've found that people respond to and as individuals. mn9driver Oct 2017 #11
I was more ashamed of our colonial wars in Iraq and Afghanistan AngryAmish Oct 2017 #12
Absolutely shadowmayor Oct 2017 #13
Trump is an asshole. He has yet to kill millions. AngryAmish Oct 2017 #16
My son-in-law is half Chinese. murielm99 Oct 2017 #14
My daughter in law is Asian---- virgogal Oct 2017 #19
I agree with you. murielm99 Oct 2017 #20
I'm afraid to be here and was born here, They_Live Oct 2017 #15
It's making many Americans sick, most Americans I think. NNadir Oct 2017 #17

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
3. People are not safe in this country. We should be honest about that.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 04:22 PM
Oct 2017

America has a violent gun culture. We can be shot going about our daily business. And people of color are in danger.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
4. How many Italians rescinded their nationality over Berlusconi?
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 04:27 PM
Oct 2017

When you deny your “Americanism”, you hand it to the Republicans.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
8. I'm not denying it. I am simply ashamed that it has allowed an awful person like this racist...
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 05:25 PM
Oct 2017

...buffoon to set foot in, never mind live in, the White House.

It's a huge stain on our history.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. That is really unfortunate.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 04:43 PM
Oct 2017

However, I never understood why Europeans want to send their children to American schools? I think they get a much better education over there and it's much cheaper. Why would they want to come here in the first place? Just strike up a conversation w/ your average European - they know so much more about politics, history, literature, philosophy, geography, languages, etc. than even very well educated Americans.

bellmartin

(218 posts)
7. I've had a similar and gradually building experience
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 05:06 PM
Oct 2017

...in 1982 and '88, traveling in Europe, I was ashamed about Reagan.

...a little less embarrased in '89, with GHW Bush.

In 2005, I was even more ashamed in European travels because of W.

In 2014, I was elated because of President Obama.

I dread going back to Europe. This is of a new magnitude. We are all tarred with this hideous stain.

It's one of my fondest hopes that when we're able to begin putting the pieces back together again, we can help the rest of the world to see that it was largely a hideous aberration, not who we really are. I'm hoping to hear many enlightened voices from other countries who feel able to support us again, with even government officials able to speak freely about just how grotesque the spectacle was.

Even in the best-case scenarios, it's going to take a lot of time and healing.

It sounds melodramatic to say it (at least for now), but it really does make me think I'm beginning to understand what it was like for German and Japanese citizens postwar. May it never come to a closer comparison.

volstork

(5,400 posts)
10. Welcome to DU
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 06:33 PM
Oct 2017

and thank you for this post. Your hope for the future is my hope as well. May it come to pass.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
9. Nearly most of my life, I have never been accepted as an "American"
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 06:27 PM
Oct 2017

I am Asian-American, yes...I speak English.... its my first language and Japanese is my second language and yes I was born here. I am sick of telling people all my life that I am not a Foreigner nor a visitor...and now with Trump in office, its even more difficult. How many forms of I-D do I need to prove I was born in the United States? I have a Calfornia driver's licence and a Passport that states I was born in the United States. I also have an state Birth certificate and a Social Security number...

mn9driver

(4,423 posts)
11. I've found that people respond to and as individuals.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 06:45 PM
Oct 2017

I've met and made many friends when visiting other countries, even after Trump. These days, his name always comes up sooner or later. So far I haven't run into anyone that supports him, so that just gives us something else in common and something to roll our eyes about over beer.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
12. I was more ashamed of our colonial wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 06:48 PM
Oct 2017

We killed millions. No one cares.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
13. Absolutely
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:07 PM
Oct 2017

The death and destruction we have rained down on countries all in the name of fighting "terror" is deplorable. If that doesn't make you ashamed of what is done in our country's name, then I suppose nothing will? And on and on it goes.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
14. My son-in-law is half Chinese.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:21 PM
Oct 2017

He is a Canadian citizen. He let his passport lapse. He is afraid to come here.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
19. My daughter in law is Asian----
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 04:25 PM
Oct 2017

my grandchildren are 1/2 Asian----------they have never had one ounce of trouble because of their ethnicity.

I don't know where your son-in-law is getting his information but I would advice him to ignore it.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
20. I agree with you.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 11:05 PM
Oct 2017

But he has become paranoid about coming back to this country. No one has been able to change his mind.

They_Live

(3,231 posts)
15. I'm afraid to be here and was born here,
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:39 PM
Oct 2017

but I don't know where to go with my family. This was the first president I can remember that made children cry with fear when he was elected, and it is only getting worse. Our congress and our "pResident" are the biggest threat to my family, and to our culture. It is literally making me sick.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
17. It's making many Americans sick, most Americans I think.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 01:52 AM
Oct 2017

I can't believe I wake up to this crap every morning.

It's worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be terrible.

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