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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:12 PM Oct 2017

Why the GOP is winning the debate.

During the 1960s, there was much political and cultural change in this country.

In addition to the ferocious debate about the Vietnam war, and US militarism in general, historically subjugated groups were rising up and fighting to reframe the debate, and reframe history as well.

In addition to the Civil Rights movement, there was the women's rights movement, the LGBTQ movement, and many other groups fighting to be treated as equal.

As a consequence of these movements that threatened white male Christian supremacy, the right wing crafted a strategy.

First, they started buying media outlets and establishing lobbying and propaganda groups that they called foundations or research institutes. Any media consumer cannot avoid all of the right wing research foundations that put out a steady stream of articles and reports designed to advance the conservative agenda. In 41 states there is a Policy Institute of some sort that is part of this. In Illinois, it is the Illinois Policy Institute that serves as the front group. And as The Nation first reported, 90% of the US media is owned by 6 large corporations. In addition, conservatives bought up many radio and television stations to further reach the population.

Along with buying up the media, and establishing these front groups, it was important to frame the debate. The estate tax, which affects the top 1% of the top 1%, was called the death tax, to suggest that it applies to everyone.

Equal rights for the historically second class citizens named above were called special rights. The implication of this is to establish that these groups were asking for more, rather than actual equality.

Right to work was another meme, as if to say that the conservatives were fighting for a literal right to work rather than the actuality of conservatives attacking unions.

Move to the center and appeal to the center are 2 other memes that enjoy widespread acceptance. What is not mentioned is that, as the GOP moves farther to the right, this center
also moves to the right.

Voter fraud is another popular lie, but it justifies voter suppression and voter discrimination against non-white and non-conservative segments of the population.

And after the SCOTUS Citizens United decision, money was redefined as speech. So politicians only hear the sound of money.

Now, in 2017, we have had 50 years of conservatives buying the media, framing the debate, and remaking politics in the US. Voters hear conservative talking points every day from a wide variety of sources. Radio, television, the internet, all put out the conservative talking points that many accept as settled wisdom.

So when Trump speaks his various lies, a certain segment of the population has heard variations of these lies for 50 years and they are pre-disposed to believe them.


But in spite of this, there is still reason for guarded optimism because Hillary Clinton received more votes than Trump.


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Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
1. I agree. They have ownership of the message thru media and they have convinced all the media
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:16 PM
Oct 2017

is liberal. The media, any independence it has, has bend over backward to show it is not liberal bias and has three Republicans to every one Democrat. Today, an Independent gets to be the one Democratic representative skewing the conversation more. Not to mention the outrageousness of the Republican talk allows for good drama trauma tv which media values.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Agreed. The success of framing a corporate owned, conservative media as somehow being liberal
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:23 PM
Oct 2017

is an amazing feat.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Yes. That Dems don't represent working people is a huge lie
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:50 PM
Oct 2017

they've invested huge money in spreading around the nation. That Democratic Party corruption is destroying the nation is another one. That our candidates are corrupt of course.

That there's no difference between us and them is another huge message targeted at those who're on to them. Like Chuck Todd's repeated line that Trump and Clinton were "in a race to the bottom" and that the people deserved much better. Both parties serve Wall Street and "don't care about" the people.

This "no difference" message has been hugely successful in mopping up those too ignorant to know how huge -- and destructive -- a lie it is but are too smart to trust the GOP.

Caliman73

(11,725 posts)
5. One minor correction
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

Citizens United, while significant in the money in politics jurisprudence, is not the ruling that started the money = speech idea. Citizens United opened the floodgates for unfettered money to be spent by PACs and SuperPACs.

Buckley v Valeo in 1976 was the grandaddy case that defined monetary contribution for political communication as speech. Without that ruling there would be more ability to regulate campaign spending.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. True, the current version of the GOP is unable to govern
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:18 PM
Oct 2017

because revenue is necessary to govern, and their goal, as Grover Norquist put it, is to shrink government and to drown it in a bathtub.

 

coolsandy

(479 posts)
16. During the 2016 campaign i wrote, called, and e-mailed the DNC to put more ads on radio in red
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:47 PM
Oct 2017

states and across the west. Every ad I suggested would specifically refute a single issue ad the GOP was putting out.
Sent my contribution to the DNC and sent suggestions directly to the Hillary camp. Never heard so much as a peep or "Thank you for your contribution."

I had even produced several ads on my personal iPad and started to post them on YouTube when my spouse said why should you do that and not get paid for it. Never had a good response but felt that I was doing a civic duty.

My iPad was stolen (or rather I left it in a Starbucks). Never recovered it.

My point is, there were and still are many simple, cheap things that Democrats could do to get some traction with some, not all, of the disaffected Trumptsters. It would only take a few.

LeftInTX

(25,126 posts)
17. I feel the same way
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 06:00 PM
Oct 2017

Although I didn't bother to let them know.

You would think they would know the obvious.

They needed a simple concise message.

How hard is that?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
18. Perhaps the DNC wishes to control the narrative.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 06:18 PM
Oct 2017

And this can ben seen as a negative and a positive. Competing messages could confuse people, but if the message was sent out and they asked people to forward it, that could work.

But in my view there is too much top down and too little bottom up input.

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