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Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:08 AM

 

Black women came through for DEMS in VA!!

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Hope Dems pay attention to that for next November.


Am proud of our base and all DEMS that voted and came through for us!

Woohoo!!



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Reply Black women came through for DEMS in VA!! (Original post)
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 OP
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #1
betsuni Nov 2017 #2
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #7
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #12
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #19
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #22
Me. Nov 2017 #56
uponit7771 Nov 2017 #28
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #33
frazzled Nov 2017 #40
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #51
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #69
mamas Nov 2017 #3
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #5
betsuni Nov 2017 #4
shenmue Nov 2017 #6
oberliner Nov 2017 #8
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #13
oberliner Nov 2017 #16
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #17
oberliner Nov 2017 #20
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #25
oberliner Nov 2017 #29
brush Nov 2017 #50
mythology Nov 2017 #14
oberliner Nov 2017 #18
grantcart Nov 2017 #41
oberliner Nov 2017 #60
GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #65
progressoid Nov 2017 #75
Quayblue Nov 2017 #9
LexVegas Nov 2017 #10
Kentonio Nov 2017 #11
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #15
mcar Nov 2017 #21
liquid diamond Nov 2017 #23
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #27
Ligyron Nov 2017 #35
liquid diamond Nov 2017 #46
PatrickforO Nov 2017 #47
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #48
IronLionZion Nov 2017 #36
LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #24
treestar Nov 2017 #26
RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #30
Ligyron Nov 2017 #39
Lucky Luciano Nov 2017 #45
pangaia Nov 2017 #52
brer cat Nov 2017 #76
MineralMan Nov 2017 #31
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #32
rainin Nov 2017 #34
sagesnow Nov 2017 #59
rainin Nov 2017 #74
forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #37
IronLionZion Nov 2017 #38
grantcart Nov 2017 #42
titaniumsalute Nov 2017 #43
GusBob Nov 2017 #54
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Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #44
DownriverDem Nov 2017 #49
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #61
rainlillie Nov 2017 #53
Yavin4 Nov 2017 #57
Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #79
wildeyed Nov 2017 #58
onetexan Nov 2017 #62
uponit7771 Nov 2017 #63
58Sunliner Nov 2017 #64
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #66
58Sunliner Nov 2017 #77
MuseRider Nov 2017 #67
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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:12 AM

1. You mean our base.

 



Lots of resistance from some to rightfully identify them as such.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:14 AM

2. +1

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:19 AM

7. Yes... our BASE! Our loyal base! Speaking of which: I'm still confused why it is...

... that so many want to conflate the words "fringe" and "base" (or "extremist" and "base".

They're NOT the same thing... not even close.

But, our loyal BASE are the ones who are mature and reliable. They come out to vote and they SUPPORT the party. They're not part of the "rule-it-or-ruin-it" group.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:27 AM

12. Some try to make it look like DFA members and the like are our base.

 

It’s offensive and they really outed themselves. You and I know that. Most others are catching on.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:47 AM

19. Is that the group that Howard Dean disavowed...

... because they went all tea-party-koo-koo? (Or am I misremembering some other group?)

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:51 AM

22. That's them.

 

Really shady group of ratfuckers.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:25 AM

56. What's Especially Sad About THat

Is that Dean started that group and his brother Jim ran it (don't know if he still does)

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:04 AM

28. +1

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:21 AM

33. Why so divisive already? It was women. Particularly the subgroup educated women.

This was the subgroup that Northam beat Hillary Clinton on....educated women, particularly suburbian. They voted for Trump last time or didn't vote at all. They came out to vote. ALL women, and this subgroup in particular.

That includes black women. And white women. And Asian women. And all other women. But men, too! Particularly upper middle class & the wealthy...Northam did well in those groups.

That tweet and post didn't cite where they got those numbers from. The numbers aren't final yet.

I'm sure the Democratic Party will look at the demographics, when the numbers are official, and analyze them for the 2018 mid-terms.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:45 AM

40. Here are numbers on educated women (and married women)

-- Women made the difference. White women with college degrees -- a group that split evenly in the 2013 Virginia governor’s election – favored Northam by 16 points over Gillespie in preliminary exit polling, 58 percent to 42 percent. Northam’s margin is more than twice as wide as the margin Hillary Clinton won those voters by last year, 50 percent to 44 percent.

Married women voted for Northam by 10 points according to preliminary exit polls, 54 percent to 44 percent. In the 2016 presidential election, Trump eked out a one-point lead with this group, 48 percent to 47 percent. Married women consisted of 30 percent of Virginia voters this year, about the same share as in 2016 and 2014.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/11/08/daily-202-anti-trump-backlash-fuels-a-democratic-sweep-in-virginia-and-elections-across-the-country/5a023fd230fb0468e76541b3/?utm_term=.a54eb28bc5c8&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

And, of course, African American women. Let’s keep it up, girls.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:13 AM

51. Thx. I posted the WaPo demographics separately. They are based on exit polls so aren't official.

The votes aren't even all counted yet.

These numbers need to be studied in Virginia & the other states, to see if we can repeat this in the 2018 mid-terms.

Saw on MSNBC that Healthcare was the #1 reason given for their votes. Gun control was 2nd.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:14 AM

69. Totally

 

I love you guys, please save America again!!!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:14 AM

3. Reclaiming our time! nt

 

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Response to mamas (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:17 AM

5. I would say so! Woohoo!!!!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:15 AM

4. K&R

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:19 AM

6. Thank you

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:20 AM

8. It was actually white men and white women who made the difference

 

The shift from 2016 votes for Trump to 2017 votes for Northam was +7 percent towards the D among whites (both men and women).

The percent of the Black vote for Northam was actually a little lower than that for Hillary in 2016.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:30 AM

13. So it was the two groups who voted Republican?

 

Anything to dismiss our base.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:44 AM

16. Yes

 

It is not dismissive of the base. The base turned out strong as usual. However, that strong turnout from the base was not enough to defeat Trump. What defeated the Republican in this election was the fact that there was movement towards the Democratic side from white voters.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:46 AM

17. You are making a correlation where none exists.

 

Very strange.

“What defeated the Republican in this election was the fact that there was movement towards the Democratic side from white voters.”

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:49 AM

20. It exists

 

35 percent of white voters in Virginia voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

42 percent of white voters in Virginia voted for Ralph Northam in this election.

That shift accounts for Northam's victory.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:58 AM

25. Not in the manner in which you initially described.

 

Which you omitted in this post. Well done. I agree this is a big part.

A majority of white voters went Republican again. Not the base. Clearly.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:09 AM

29. What was omitted?

 

I'm not following the distinction you are making.

My argument is that the difference between 2016 and 2017 is that in this most recent election there was movement from white voters away from R and towards D.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:08 AM

50. In other words, they finally got some sense in their heads.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:32 AM

14. You'd also have to know the share of the total vote each group represented

 

For example if Northam won't say 2% fewer of the votes from black women, but there was a 10% increase in turnout among black women that would mean more votes for him.

Either way, for today, I think the correct answer is to celebrate the victories up and down the ballot.

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Response to mythology (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:47 AM

18. Definitely a day to celebrate

 

It is great that Democrats did so well!

In terms of turnout, it was much higher in the 2016 election than in this one (by about a million voters).

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Response to mythology (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:51 AM

41. The share is on the graphic

AA women 12%
AA men 9%

The OP is correct.

AA women gave the margin of difference.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:43 AM

60. AA women did not give the margin of difference

 

If white men and women hadn't shifted over to the D side, then the Republican would have won.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:04 AM

65. Which is why this white southern guy thinks people of color,

Especially women are the base of our party.

Fickle white sure are not. Especially young hipsters.

But today is a good day for all Democrats!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:42 PM

75. +1

Math iz hard.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:21 AM

9. K&R

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:22 AM

10. The base of the Democratic Party. nt

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:26 AM

11. It was people.

 

And each and every one of them deserve our thanks regardless of their color or gender.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:34 AM

15. Every vote matters!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:50 AM

21. The true D base!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:53 AM

23. Once again it appears that damn near half of white

 

women voted against their own interests just like in the general election.

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Response to liquid diamond (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:02 AM

27. A year after Donald won and they still did so.

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:30 AM

35. They are truly hopeless I believe.

Surrendered to Authoritative Patriarchy in exchange for what exactly? To feel safe and "taken care of"?

So, so glad my daughters are nothing like them.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:04 AM

46. Thank you for raising them to be strong and independent.

 

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:05 AM

47. The irony, of course, is the so-called 'authoritative'

party of Donald Trump isn't going to 'take care' of any of the everyday Americans who voted for them. They want us to suffer prodigiously under the heavy yoke of unrestrained capitalism. At least Mercer, Koch and those radical libertarians they have in their pockets want that.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:06 AM

48. That is unfair...48% of white women voted for Northam...without those votes the

election would have been much closer and perhaps even a loss...it takes everyone to win...let's not do this. I am grateful to all of our Democratic voters who made this possible.

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Response to liquid diamond (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:32 AM

36. The VA election was about diversity more than women's rights

so there is a certain type who would like to maintain their privileges

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:56 AM

24. Need to know what the concerns were in each group to help them vote D.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:59 AM

26. Huge difference between the women and the men

both races. Women and POC!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:13 AM

30. What compels nine percent more AA men to vote for a racist shit like Gillespie?

 

17%? What the fuck were they listening to?

It really should be like 95-5 AA women and (maybe) 90-10 AA men

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:35 AM

39. That's what blows my mind.

But people can do some weird stuff.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:01 AM

45. Maybe those who think they are somehow special?!

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:17 AM

52. This might be too simplistic but, here goes.. They are men.



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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:08 PM

76. Virginia has a heavy military presence,

and they tend to be very conservative.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:19 AM

31. People of Color are a very powerful voting bloc.

We need to remember that and address issues important to them directly and often.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:19 AM

32. I've seen an indication of this not wanting to give credit where credit is due: suburbian women

It's not how many women voted for the Dems. It's WHICH women came out to vote for them who don't always vote Democratic. And that is the suburbian woman.....Northam beat the # of women who voted for Clinton, and far exceeded the suburbian educated woman count than Clinton. THEY MADE A DIFFERENCE.

Let's give credit where credit is due. Many of them voted for Trump or didn't vote at all.

But thanks to all who went out in bad weather and voted, all women and all men.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:22 AM

34. If you are in this demographic,

THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart.

Could we do something to recruit Michelle Obama to run? I have no doubt she could right this ship.

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Response to rainin (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:36 AM

59. Either Michelle Obama or

Joy Reid would both get my vote. These smart, well spoken women rock!

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:54 AM

74. YES!! Love them both! n/t

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:33 AM

37. Thank you, Sisters and Mothers!

Of all types!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:33 AM

38. ALL VOTES MATTER!1!1!1 Thank you everyone who supported the Democrats!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:54 AM

42. They absolutely led the way. AA men weren't far behind.

I wonder whose recent visit to VA may have helped GOTV?

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:57 AM

43. I'm disappointed in such a divisive OP

If you start digging into the numbers there were a number of variables that played into what happened in VA. Indeed the Female black vote was massive for Northam as was the male black vote. But the shift in #s for white woman breaking for Northam was also very significant compared to past elections. Black woman could have voted for Northam but if white woman didn't increase their numbers for the D compared to the past he may have had a much closer election or even a loss.

It takes ALL votes of all races, ages, socio-economic situations to make a winner. I applaud everyone for what they did.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:20 AM

54. I dont see it as divisive but a misunderstanding of how politics works perhaps

the base votes the way they always do that's why they are the base=GOTV
getting the swing voters, the shift voters, the cross overs, those other than the base, to break your way is how you win close elections

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Response to GusBob (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:21 AM

55. Agreed

The base voted and the swing voters swung. Nice harmony! And a big win all around.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:57 AM

44. I think it was both...we need everyone...but I hope that some who have spoken about

'identity politics' will consider...that those they want to sideline are the base...not those who are calling for this sort of thing.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:07 AM

49. I'm a white woman

My question to white women is: WTF is wrong with you? Are you kept my a white man? In the district where I live (12th Michigan, Debbie Dingell is my rep) white women are there every month at the meetings. We are a diverse district and all work together for beat the crap out of the repubs.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:57 AM

61. I did not see it that way but I changed the title. Am glad for all the DEMS voters.

 

But it is good to know that in the women group black women helped take it beyond the threshold.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:19 AM

53. Now maybe we can't stop with all this let's not talk "identity politics" crap!

I despise the term "identity politics". If Democrats want to continue to win, they have to stop thinking they have to reach out to the folks who voted for Trump and think about galvanizing their own base. If we stay true to our own values and embrace every member of the party... We will be victorious.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:28 AM

57. Here's what is really distressing. Why can't the Dems win White women?

White women are the biggest obstacle to defeating the Republicans. Democrats are never going to win White men outright. I get that. White men, on average, benefit a lot when Republicans are in power. White women? Not so much. So how is it that the Dems cannot win White women?

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #57)

Thu Nov 9, 2017, 01:59 AM

79. Husbands and children

 

We do okay with college educated white women. But working class white women without college education are fear based so they have found several reasons to move steadily toward the GOP. Fifteen years ago it was as security moms and now it's concern that their husbands and children -- particularly sons -- will struggle as providers as the manufacturing, etc. jobs dwindle.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:28 AM

58. Black women are the foundation of the Democratic Party.



We need them. White liberals (me) should acknowledge their endless contributions and rock-steady support more often and protect the votes of ALL black people as if they are our own. Because they are! White liberals need them and they need us to make a majority that can beat Trump and the crazy-ass regressive, bigoted, corrupt GOP. It's basic math, but more than that, it is also our values.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:59 AM

62. well said and second that

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:03 AM

63. +1

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:04 AM

64. Just do the math from the posted info.

What percent of the total registered AAF voters, voted? Do the math for all women, white, black, asian, etc.. and then post. This post also leaves out all the people who did GOTV efforts on behalf of the candidates. Not to mention the candidates themselves, who people had to be willing to vote for.
I am thrilled that black women got out the vote but it was a joint effort. They could not have done it without everyone else.

What is 81% of 12%?-9.72% BF vote
What is 91% of 9%?-8.19% BM vote
What is 48% of 32%?-15.36% WF
What is 36% of 36%?-12.96% WM
What is 71% of 6%?-4.26% other vote.

Just have to do the math.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:08 AM

66. Makes sense there are many ways to look at the numbers. We needed everyone that worked & showed up!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:50 PM

77. Math only supports data, not emotion.

That being said, I would not want a society where only whites or blacks decided issues for all of us. The dance is to have us work together for goals that empower us all, and make a society possible for those who will follow. I do not want a world where anyone does not fell free to contribute, or where people do not feel acknowledged for their contributions. I am thanking everyone. When I think women carried the vote, I think of black, Asian, white, Latina, Indian, lesbians, transgender, etcc.. It feels less like a positive post, and more like a sense of resentment. And I would hate for one to feel that they could not be honest. Because this is the place and time for long overdue change.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:09 AM

67. Outstanding!

I am so pleased to see this and so ashamed that white women could not do better.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:12 AM

68. White women did good as 48% voted for Northam. Black women who were less of the population

 

voted strongly for him and took it over the threshold. Thankfully!!



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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #68)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:15 AM

71. Well sure their votes helped

but overall, it was the black women who did an outstanding job for the left.

I don't like to play party parts. I am who I am and I don't care who (what group) it is that brought us to the table. I cheer the black women of Virginia this morning for their support of the left and the slap in the face to Trumpism.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:15 AM

70. Sad that I am a minority within my demographic

I hope some of my fellows will grow up in time.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:45 AM

72. Great thread

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:49 AM

73. Bless Them. Every vote for our side counted but that's where they most reliably came from n/t

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Thu Nov 9, 2017, 01:18 AM

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