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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:46 PM Jul 2012

Judge says it's OK to use your seized phone to impersonate you and entrap your friends

http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/judge-says-its-ok-to-use-you.html

A federal judge has upheld the practice of police using seized phones to impersonate their owners, reading messages and sending sending entrapping replies to contacts in the phone's memory, without a warrant. The judge reasoned that constitutional privacy rights don't apply to messages if they appear on a seized device -- even if the messages originated with someone who has not been arrested or is under suspicion of any crime:

A federal appeals court held that the pager owner's Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure were not violated because the pager is "nothing more than a contemporary receptacle for telephone numbers," akin to an address book. The court also held that someone who sends his phone number to a pager has no reasonable expectation of privacy because he can't be sure that the pager will be in the hands of its owner.

Judge Penoyar said that the same reasoning applies to text messages sent to an iPhone. While text messages may be legally protected in transit, he argued that they lose privacy protections once they have been delivered to a target device in the hands of the police. He claimed that the same rule applied to letters and e-mail. (Police would still need to seize or search a phone or computer legally, and phones are much easier for cops to seize than computers, which generally require a warrant.)

"On his own iPhone, on his own computer, or in the process of electronic transit, Hinton's communications are shielded by our constitutions," he wrote, referring to both the state and federal constitutions. "But after their arrival, Hinton's text messages on Lee's iPhone were no longer private or deserving of constitutional protection." Penoyar rejected Roden's privacy arguments on similar grounds.
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Judge says it's OK to use your seized phone to impersonate you and entrap your friends (Original Post) TalkingDog Jul 2012 OP
Holy Moly. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #1
Amazing Blecht Jul 2012 #2
Prove it was I that sent any of those messages. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #3
I think that misses the point Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #5
drip drip - the sound of our rights to privacy being eroded. nt Live and Learn Jul 2012 #4
WTF! berni_mccoy Jul 2012 #6
does this mean, if a whistle blower deems and email or message sent to them... Robeysays Jul 2012 #7

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
2. Amazing
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:11 PM
Jul 2012

This judge would be a contender for the gold if the Olympics had mental gymnastics as a medal event.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
3. Prove it was I that sent any of those messages.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jul 2012

I misplaced my phone and only found it the next day.

Prove it was me, and not someone who had control of the device...it may have even been a cop, I don't know, I lost it for a little while and found it again.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
5. I think that misses the point
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jul 2012

if you get a text message from a "friend" asking you to meet him at a certain time/place in order to do something illegal, say buy or sell drugs, and you show up.... well....

 

Robeysays

(673 posts)
7. does this mean, if a whistle blower deems and email or message sent to them...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

as worth public knowledge and releasable, as that the expected privacy was ended upon delivery of the message to the device, duly noted as: Phone Numbers, Texts, EMAILS!!!!?!?!, etc?

Also, If this is still considered illegal, because of confidentiality contracts, etc.; would a person only have to incorporate them selves, wherein they would sign a confidentiality agreement with him/her self as an employee of ME Inc. in order to side* step such a stupid and un'murikn' ruling?

*not wide step

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