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Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:20 PM

Alabama pastors turn on Roy Moore after he's caught faking endorsement letter

Alabama pastors turn on Roy Moore after he’s caught faking endorsement letter
Religion is a massively important part of Alabama politics, and of Roy Moore’s campaign for Senate. But some of the pastors he claims endorse him now deny they did.
By Matthew Chapman NOVEMBER 14, 2017

Much attention has been given to the fact that even in the wake of Roy Moore’s pedophilia accusations, the religious right — a dominant political force in Alabama — remains steadfastly loyal to him. And polls have indeed shown that white, conservative evangelical support for him is still disturbingly high.

However, Moore’s support within religious communities is not quite as strong as he has touted. In fact, it turns out that he and his wife may be lying about having the endorsement of several pastors and churches.

On Sunday, Moore’s wife, Kayla, published an endorsement letter from over 50 pastors to her Facebook page, which fiercely defended Moore from the child molestation scandal:

But less than a day after the letter was published, it was revealed that this was simply a copy of a letter posted to Moore’s campaign website during the Senate primary, before he was accused of being a pedophile — with three new sentences deceptively added to make it look like it was about the general election.

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workinclasszero Nov 2017 OP
Gothmog Nov 2017 #1
gratuitous Nov 2017 #2
Cirque du So-What Nov 2017 #3
onit2day Nov 2017 #50
OriginalGeek Nov 2017 #73
Merlot Nov 2017 #84
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #17
MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #43
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #79
MurrayDelph Nov 2017 #68
SweetieD Nov 2017 #4
LisaM Nov 2017 #5
PJMcK Nov 2017 #9
Kaleva Nov 2017 #11
A HERETIC I AM Nov 2017 #35
Aristus Nov 2017 #60
A HERETIC I AM Nov 2017 #63
Aristus Nov 2017 #64
A HERETIC I AM Nov 2017 #67
MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #44
Volaris Nov 2017 #37
onit2day Nov 2017 #48
ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #65
Marthe48 Nov 2017 #53
Hortensis Nov 2017 #72
Doreen Nov 2017 #77
Solly Mack Nov 2017 #6
lame54 Nov 2017 #7
getagrip_already Nov 2017 #32
yardwork Nov 2017 #78
Johnny2X2X Nov 2017 #8
dembotoz Nov 2017 #25
trotsky Nov 2017 #33
joshcryer Nov 2017 #45
TNLib Nov 2017 #10
mreilly Nov 2017 #12
Berlin Expat Nov 2017 #46
TNNurse Nov 2017 #82
MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #47
Mariana Nov 2017 #69
bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #13
BootinUp Nov 2017 #14
NCjack Nov 2017 #15
FakeNoose Nov 2017 #62
GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #16
Persondem Nov 2017 #18
LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #30
paulkienitz Nov 2017 #19
FSogol Nov 2017 #20
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #23
lpbk2713 Nov 2017 #21
paleotn Nov 2017 #22
ck4829 Nov 2017 #24
Roland99 Nov 2017 #26
Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #27
Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #28
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #34
COLGATE4 Nov 2017 #41
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #42
madaboutharry Nov 2017 #29
tblue37 Nov 2017 #36
Initech Nov 2017 #31
workinclasszero Nov 2017 #38
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #39
Skittles Nov 2017 #51
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #52
Skittles Nov 2017 #55
47of74 Nov 2017 #40
Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #49
Kablooie Nov 2017 #54
Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #56
Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #57
Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #59
Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #75
oberliner Nov 2017 #58
Marthe48 Nov 2017 #61
muntrv Nov 2017 #66
DFW Nov 2017 #70
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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:21 PM

1. This will be fun to watch

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:22 PM

2. Might want to check in with your husband, Kayla

He's real big on the Ten Commandments, and it sounds a lot like you were bearing false witness by re-publishing that letter on your Facebook page. Is that what you and Roy consider to be honoring your faith? If it does, I'd have to say that you and I read the Bible very differently.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:25 PM

3. I have no doubt

that fundies can twist & contort scripture to allow for lying when they claim it's for a 'righteous' cause.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:17 PM

50. Sweet Home Alabama don't need a man like Moore around anyhow

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 07:11 PM

73. Lying for the lord is a thing

http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm

Similar ideas in the fundie baptist church I grew up in. I knew a TON of dishonest deacons and laymen.

I regularly refuse to do business with anyone that uses the fish symbol in their advertising. I assume they are crooks. I'm sure I'm wrong sometimes but I'm not losing sleep over it.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:14 PM

84. I don't do business with them either after not being paid

I've only not been paid twice, once by a religious business and once by a republican.


Evidence presented in this list establishes that when the church or its leaders needed protection, it was, and is, okay to fib, deceive, distort, inflate, minimize, exaggerate, prevaricate or lie. You will read quotations by church leaders who admitted that deception is a useful tool to protect the church and its leaders "when they are in a tight spot," or "to beat the devil at his own game." They admit engaging in moral gymnastics; that God approves of deception ? if it's done to protect the "Lord's Church" or "the brethren."

mormons yes, and catholic as well.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:57 PM

17. "bearing false witness" Bingo!

They don't actually follow the ten commandments,they just erect statues about it.

Its a religious dog and pony show for the rubes IMO.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:08 PM

43. Please don't......

talk about "erecting" anything when talking about "The Judge!"

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 02:24 AM

79. LOL!

My bad!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:53 PM

68. Them's that thump the Bible

Rarely take the time to read, learn from, or live by it.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:25 PM

4. What a FRAUD!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:26 PM

5. Why is he even running?

I don't delude myself that I am qualified to run for high office, so I can't seriously understand why someone with this much baggage, who's been ejected from office twice, and who will do nothing but shame the office even wants to be a Senator. He doesn't even seem to really believe in government, certainly not one that is separate from the church. I don't get it.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:33 PM

9. It's simple

Two times Moore got kicked off the Bench. The Senate seat opened up when Sessions took the AG position. Importantly, Moore saw Trump-- a fellow moron and abuser of females-- get elected.

Moore probably thought, "Hey, I could do that, too!"

Trump and Moore: idiots.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:37 PM

11. I've got too much baggage to even run for town butt wiper.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:22 PM

35. Your town has an elected position of "Butt Wiper"?

Huh......so....what's that pay, anyway? Is it a hard contested race?

And what are the schools like, the nightlife?

Ummm....asking for a friend

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:48 PM

60. It's a shitty job.

With shitty pay...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #60)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:13 PM

63. What if I'm a shitty guy?

What I really want to know is how many run in the primary.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:15 PM

64. I don't know.

But if you run, just be sure you don't fall behind. Or make an ass or yourself. Or you will be the butt of jokes.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:33 PM

67. Poop jokes are beneath the dignity of the office.

And as a prospective candidate, I just won't stand for that shit

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:10 PM

44. So...........

you're saying that you are extremely qualified to serve as a member of IQ45's cabinet?

Stand by - Mueller may be making room for you!

Oh, and that "job" that your town has makes "W's" quote quite significant:

"Heck of a job, Brownie!"

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:34 PM

37. You're not qualified because DC has mostly become a place where you fail UPWARDS.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:15 PM

48. Egostistical authoritarian manipulator.Me me me, more more more.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:23 PM

65. A Most Succinct Analysis Of The Situation

Well done!

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:31 PM

53. Until 1914 state legislators elected U.S. Senators

The 17th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution changed that state legislative elections to popular elections. The dearth of qualified candidates from some states reminds me of the cronyism the earlier elections invited. Here is a link to the Wikipedia, which seems to cover that part of U.S. history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:50 PM

72. Actually, I'm beginning to suspect he may be a sociopath

or psychopath after adding that statement from a former professor about his behavior in a college law class to everything else. They often choose work that allows them to maliciously manipulate people.

Presenting himself as a deeply religious politician offers a two-fer, and the more powerful the more powerful. And it's not at all uncommon for people who present themselves as blatantly devout believers to somehow feel they need not adhere to religious doctrine and routinely violate it. A special category of people, but well recognized.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:15 PM

77. That is my question for most people in the repuke party that are running

for any office.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:28 PM

6. Good.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:28 PM

7. Is it the 10 commandments or a to do list

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Response to lame54 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:17 PM

32. thou shallt not lie....

and get caught.......

There just wasn't enough room on the tablet for that.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:37 PM

78. That's hilarious!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:31 PM

8. Not exactly an accurate description

2 of the 53 Pastors have asked their names to be removed, the rest have said nothing.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:08 PM

25. wonder if the 2 really were appalled but instead are just covering their holy asses

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:17 PM

33. Yep. Moore still enjoys incredible support from his religious base. n/t

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:10 PM

45. Best to say nothing.

Can't have your donation plates having less money in them for taking a stance here.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:36 PM

10. That makes allot more sense to me

I had a hard time believing that 50 pastors ran to his defense immediately after the allegations. It seemed pretty reckless.

Not saying they wouldn't support him but usually they tend to get the pulse of their congregations before sticking their necks way out like that.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:51 PM

12. That makes his wife a dishonest POS too...

 

...this was deliberate. And this is the systemic problem I have always had with Republicans. I've been observing their antics for decades now and it's been clear for some time these people will lie, and lie, and lie with neither shame nor hesitation. Whatever helps their side; the ends justifies the means.

Me, I've only pointed to facts I know are real, and if I find out something I thought was true was in fact false I recant it and stop repeating it. Not them. That's the signature hallmark of Republicans:

THEY WILL LIE.

How do these people live with themselves?

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Response to mreilly (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:13 PM

46. Even better....

Kayla Moore tried claiming the restaurant in the yearbook that Moore signed didn't exist. A reporter found out that yes, it did exist.

She lied. Again.

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?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:24 AM

82. The Moores seem to be made for each other.

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Response to mreilly (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:15 PM

47. "How do these people live with themselves?"

You have to have a conscience for any of that to be a problem.........

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Response to mreilly (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:01 PM

69. How do they live with themselves?

Jesus forgives them, every time, so why should they feel guilty? In fact, feeling guilt after Jesus has forgiven you is a sin in itself, because guilt implies that Jesus's forgiveness isn't sufficient, which means you think he hung on that cross for nothing.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:51 PM

13. Wow.This sounds like a lawsuit and bearing false witness as well:)

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:55 PM

14. Lol.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:55 PM

15. My list of suspects for faking the letter.

1. Roy's wife. (She really wants to get her ass out of Aly-bamy and live in WDC. So many women are pointing at her and saying "Roy raped me when I was 14."
2. Roy's campaign manager. (He really wants Mr. & Mrs. Roy out of Aly-bamy.)
3. Roy (He really needs to get out of Aly-bamy to expand his hunting territory.)
And after those above, all the original pastors that signed the original letter. Including those who now want their names off the fake letter.

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Response to NCjack (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:11 PM

62. Yep - lots of suspects

I can't believe that THIS is all it takes. Somebody on DU could have done this a week ago and saved ourselves all this time and mental anguish.

Let's remember this for the next pedophile candidate!



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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:55 PM

16. Get that popcorn popping!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:58 PM

18. This needs more exposure (unlike Moore) ... K & R nt

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Response to Persondem (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:12 PM

30. They can control the message so dominantly there

This is from a liberal media site. I'l bet the vast majority are not, and never will be, aware of this story, and if they hear any rumblings they will dismiss it as "fake news" .

Trump deplorables are like they are on a big ratchet wheel. Once it clicks forward, they don't go back.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:00 PM

19. I think I just heard the toaster pop up.

He's done.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:02 PM

20. Typical Republican. Color me; not surprised.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:07 PM

23. Yep

Lyin sack of shit is a requirement to be one.

Its a plus if your spouse bears false witness too.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:05 PM

21. They will stretch their GOP loyalty up to a certain point.




But when credibility starts to work against them it's time to bail out.

So now they're saying "You're on your own Brother Roy" .

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:05 PM

22. Republicans lying?

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:07 PM

24. K&R

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:09 PM

26. What a fine, fine Christian thing to do!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:10 PM

27. Dont worry, pastors who would support him in the first place, their hatred

of women is much stronger than their distaste of him being a rapist and liar.

WAY more hatred of women.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:11 PM

28. Thou shalt bear false witness

as long as it's politically expedient.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:19 PM

34. $$$Church Of Rand disciples of Rayguns$$$

Can I get an Amen?

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:50 PM

41. Amen, Brother!

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:56 PM

42. Time to pass the plate dear brethren....

"Jesus" needs a new Lear jet brothers and sisters!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:12 PM

29. I don't think Kayla is too bright.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:26 PM

36. Obviously --she married Moore. nt

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:13 PM

31. So he's a liar, a fraud, and a predator! Just perfect for family values!

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Response to Initech (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:36 PM

38. Authentic republican family values!

So refreshing!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:39 PM

39. I am so happy to hear that the letter was false. I was horrified thinking of so many pastors endor-

 

sing a child molester!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:18 PM

51. whereas endorsing a racist, homophobe, misogynist was just fine

 

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Response to Skittles (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:28 PM

52. It is all bad cr*p. Just normalizing raping children is unimaginable.

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:32 PM

55. we don't have to imagine it - see the movie SPOTLIGHT

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:49 PM

40. With the Moores, it's more like the Ten Do As I Say, Not As I Do Commandments

Especially when it comes to things like adultery or bearing false witness.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:15 PM

49. OMG. He and his wife are truly soul(less)mates

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:31 PM

54. That will just endear him to conservative voters.

It seems the more illegal and disgusting the actions, the more support he gets from the right.

Trump has made being a horrible, dishonest person an extremely desirable quality for politicians today.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:32 PM

56. That's one misleading headline.

All the article says is that he faked the endorsement letter. I can't find a thing about the pastors turning on him because of it.

(I know you just copied the headine - but I was disappointed when I went looking for the response from the pastors.)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #56)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:41 PM

57. The article does mention two pastors who want their names taken off...but that is not the point

just yet.

Lying about the endorsements as being after the allegations when they were before is the point.

Bearing false witness yet another of the flexible Christian Commandments it seems, especially when there is an election to be had.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:45 PM

59. Thanks. I missed those two -

I saw the note about listing people who were not even pastors at the identified locations.

I agree the focus of the headline should be on the alteration of the endorsement letter, and misleading release that implied it was written in response to the allegations.

But still, two out of 50 is hardly turning on Moore.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:55 PM

75. Give it time. Kind of a lose/lose situation now for the clerics.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:43 PM

58. Deceptive headline

And that's being charitable.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:57 PM

61. No Commandment to protect the children

When I read that in "Three Farmers on their Way to a Dance", by Richard Powers, years ago, I thought about it ever since. I have faith and I know people that don't believe in God of the Bible, will read this, Don't forget that the Bible is a storehouse of some of the earliest Western literature. It helped me to read the Bible as literature, not as religious information. Anyway, I imagine that God in His wisdom thought his human creation had enough sense to protect the fruit of their loins. But our innate sense of survival doesn't keep them safe from evil-not from bullies with guns, not bullies in the schools, not bullies in the churches.

If all humans can't understand that our survival as a species depends on unequivocally protecting our offspring, we are screwed.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:31 PM

66. Bearing false witness much?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:28 PM

70. When the NRSC turns its back on him publicly, THEN it's over

Not before

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:38 PM

71. The comments on her Facebook post are terrifying

There are a lot of stupid people out there, and they all vote.

https://www.facebook.com/kaylamoor/posts/1917464514936191

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:52 AM

83. And they're all armed to the teeth!

Scary bunch of red-necked idiots!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 07:19 PM

74. There's a month left to shred this guy before the election....

I hope they tear his little evil wings off.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:01 PM

76. Moore is not what he wants others to believe. The stuff in getting deeper, more lies every day.

Moore is done, stick a fork in him.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 05:58 AM

80. Cheaters gotta cheat.

He may have finally managed to shoot himself in the foot this time.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:15 AM

81. I read his wife is from the same class as the child he assaulted? He had her post the faked 'letter'

he could be lying to her as well. IMO, his wife and his own 4? kids recently found out Daddys history of mall-banned creep & sexual attacks against children.

I hope they're all ok, IMO the wife & kids are usually the last to know. They could be victims too.

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