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riversedge

(70,199 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 03:53 PM Nov 2017

The House Just Voted to Bankrupt Graduate Students

I hope all are calling their Reps and Senators about this stupidity!



The House Just Voted to Bankrupt Graduate Students


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opinion/house-tax-bill-graduate-students.html?action=click&contentCollection=Asia%20Pacific&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article



Erin Rousseau
5-6 minutes


Republicans in the House of Representatives have just passed a tax bill that would devastate graduate research in the United States. Hidden in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is a repeal of Section 117(d)(5) of the current tax code, a provision that is vital to all students who pursue master’s degrees or doctorates and are not independently wealthy.

I’m a graduate student at M.I.T., where I study the neurological basis of mental health disorders. My peers and I work between 40 and 80 hours a week as classroom teachers and laboratory researchers, and in return, our universities provide us with a tuition waiver for school. For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a tuition bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. No money from the tuition waivers actually ends up in our pockets, so under Section 117(d)(5), it isn’t counted as taxable income.

But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on an $80,000 annual salary, when we actually earn $33,000 a year. That’s an increase of our tax burden by at least $10,000 annually.


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In a horrible twist, the repeal of Section 117 (d)(5) isn’t the only part of the tax bill that would hurt college students. The House bill would also end the student loan interest deduction, which allows individuals who make up to $80,000 and are repaying student loans to decrease their debt. It also eliminates the Lifetime Learning Credit, which is instrumental for many nontraditional students..........................




Republicans held a news conference on Capitol Hill after the House of Representatives passed a tax reform bill. Al Drago for The New York Times

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The House Just Voted to Bankrupt Graduate Students (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2017 OP
But estate tax is unfair MattP Nov 2017 #1
the fairest time to tax a person is upon their death questionseverything Nov 2017 #10
Greedy Old Perverts hate education because smart people hate the GOP. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #2
Wow! It's almost like somebody hired them to eff up our country. Girard442 Nov 2017 #3
Nyet! WinkyDink Nov 2017 #24
The hits just keep on coming hueymahl Nov 2017 #4
also send free faxes to your state reps by texting RESIST to 50409!!! samnsara Nov 2017 #5
This will affect both of my children. MelissaB Nov 2017 #6
But they put in a deduction for storing private airplanes! sinkingfeeling Nov 2017 #7
Wow. Just incredible underpants Nov 2017 #11
Be careful or you may piss off Orin Hatch about this tax bill not being a Godsend to the middle clas world wide wally Nov 2017 #8
I wanted to crawl.... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #15
Fortunately Boston has such a low cost of living mythology Nov 2017 #9
Yep, that is the Tax Scam. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #12
I have a son in a PhD program in physics. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #13
But money that... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #16
i cant figure out how that is even legal. mopinko Nov 2017 #17
My son is in a phd program at Utah ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #18
u utah? mopinko Nov 2017 #21
Yep! Word nerd in the Rhetoric dept ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #22
my son is nick. big biker, hiker and rock climber. mopinko Nov 2017 #25
Ian is a big hiker as well ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #26
I am a PhD student and myself and my colleagues are very nervous. Gravitycollapse Nov 2017 #19
I posted below. I am completely empathetic. I finished my diss in 2005 and managed to escape just in anneboleyn Nov 2017 #27
This is an extension of what happened under Reagan Blecht Nov 2017 #14
I know! PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #20
When I was finishing my Ph.D. in the Bush II era, the Repubs rumbled about passing this but it never anneboleyn Nov 2017 #23
Greedy Old Perverts want an ignorant society The Genealogist Nov 2017 #28

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
10. the fairest time to tax a person is upon their death
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 04:27 PM
Nov 2017

their heirs have already had every possible advantage

and the dead don't miss it

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. Greedy Old Perverts hate education because smart people hate the GOP.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017

Can't be having too many smart people in this country, ya know.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
3. Wow! It's almost like somebody hired them to eff up our country.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017

Not like there's anybody out there like that.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
5. also send free faxes to your state reps by texting RESIST to 50409!!!
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 04:00 PM
Nov 2017

..unlimited! its free but try to donate a bit if you can

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
15. I wanted to crawl....
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:43 PM
Nov 2017

through the TV screen last night when I saw him pontificating about how this bill is not a hand out to the wealthy. I would have strangled him had I been able to get within range of him. He obviously hasn't read the bill. There is no way in hell he read that bill before voting on it. He probably had some lying aide read it to him, but that damned bill never touched his stupid, old hands.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. Fortunately Boston has such a low cost of living
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 04:26 PM
Nov 2017

Republicans seem to sit around and think "how can I screw the most number of people at once?".

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
12. Yep, that is the Tax Scam.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:02 PM
Nov 2017

The small tax breaks that people who make $10,000-30,000 will actually get will make them end up paying more in taxes. Those who earn more than that will see a tax increase in a few years when the time expires for them under the bill. The only permanent tax cuts are for the uber rich. For those who do get a tax break it will be an actual increase since all of the former deductions that benefited them are not in this bill. Medical expenses, state and city taxes written off, student loans, teachers out of pocket classroom supplies, etc are no longer write offs. Therefore the small tax breaks will be zero and people will once again have to pay more to the government and receive less. The ACA changes will make everyone's insurance increase, whether you have the ACA or not. Increased costs of premiums will be passed onto employees from their employers (good bye Christmas bonus and next year's raise) and co pays will increase too. The GOP, the Mergers and the Kochs win again. Goodie!

Now, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?

We can DELAY the vote in the Senate. That is the goal. MoveOn.org, Bernie, Indivisible, etc have a plan and called people last Wed night. After the Thanksgiving Recess there is a "Week of Action" starting Nov 29th. While the senators are home during recess protest their homes, offices, attend town halls... When they return call, write their DC offices too. Go to protests and start protests. Sign petitions, do SOMETHING!

We did it before with the ACA repeal but this is getting pushed through fast and we do not have a lot of time so get up and get going.

Johnson (WI) and Collins (ME) are on the record for saying they aren't happy with the bill. Call them (202)224-3121.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
13. I have a son in a PhD program in physics.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

His tuition is waived and I believe his stipend for his research duties is about $18,000/year. And yes, his tuition would be 50k a year, were it not forgiven.

It's beyond ludicrous that money that does not pass through their hands is to be taxed.

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
16. But money that...
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:48 PM
Nov 2017

rich kids never earned isn't to be taxed. GOP world, where up is down, back is front, good is bad, etc.

I HATE THESE GOD-DAMNED PEOPLE!

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
25. my son is nick. big biker, hiker and rock climber.
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 12:02 AM
Nov 2017

and smart aleck. he is really happy being out there. finally found his tribe.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
19. I am a PhD student and myself and my colleagues are very nervous.
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:10 PM
Nov 2017

I barely see money back after tax season and this new "plan" would probably mean that I will owe money I simply don't have. It would be like making food stamps taxable income.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
27. I posted below. I am completely empathetic. I finished my diss in 2005 and managed to escape just in
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 12:13 AM
Nov 2017

time although the entire job market was collapsing around 05 and finding a job of any type was almost impossible.

In the old days because of my field and our school (top five university), and my publications and awards, I would have walked into a choice job at an Ivy League school. But not now! It all became a huge nightmare for all of us. Many people I know left academia after fruitlessly searching for three or even four years on the job market. They now work for private corporations and the government (there are many drawbacks but both private companies and the gov pay FAR FAR better than universities do for the same work).


Others are still drifting along in adjunct jobs that are really far beneath their ability level. It has been tragic and crushing. Truly. You work so incredibly hard for that degree, over many tough years, in a profession you plan to devote your life to and with the way things have been going (what I saw under Bush II and now Trump & his clown car 🚗 has been...well...devastating.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
14. This is an extension of what happened under Reagan
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:34 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Fri Nov 17, 2017, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)

When I started graduate school in the 1980s, my stipend itself was tax-free.

That changed under Reagan when it became taxable. It just meant that the school had to increase the amount, because it was barely enough to survive on as it was.

I don't think schools will be able to increase the amount enough to cover this insanity.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
20. I know!
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:19 PM
Nov 2017

The PhD students all need to buy their own airplanes so they can deduct the storage fees! Yeah, that'll work!

Somehow the sarcasm thingy seems entirely inadequate.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
23. When I was finishing my Ph.D. in the Bush II era, the Repubs rumbled about passing this but it never
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 11:50 PM
Nov 2017

happened (when the economy started going south a lot of those ideas were dropped by the republicans). It got close enough that we were all terrified as even though my degree was in a humanity rather than a science we still faced the same problem -- taxes on a $55,000 tuition waver -- paying for money that NEVER PASSED THROUGH OUR HANDS.


Our stipends plus income from teaching and working as research assistants totaled about $15,000 a year. And out of that came rent (which in 99% of cities means at least one roommate), food, medical care, car payments, clothing, pet food, etc, travel $$$ for conferences, $$$ for suits/skirts to attend job interviews, research travel (international travel in my case) and items for research such as extremely expensive but rare texts that we needed to have on hand for research. We walked our asses off because we were idealists and believed in the merits of our dream professions. If Trump and his cronies keep smashing these groups with these absurd and unfair tax laws we will lose generations of the brightest young students who wanted to go to Harvard for a Ph.D. or M.D. but who will be denied the chance because of these utterly shameful cash grabs by Trump and his totally corrupt team of big money swamp morons.


This will be a TERRIBLE blow to graduate students. I hope this gets more media coverage -- the universities should also be doing everything they can to defend their graduate students and expose this evil.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
28. Greedy Old Perverts want an ignorant society
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 12:16 AM
Nov 2017

No doubt this is part of their plan to tear down education. More than one reason for this. First, they see universities as nothing but liberals breeding more liberals. There is nothing they can do about that, so they come up with crap like this to destroy high education financially. Second, they want an entire country full of nothing but low-information deplorables, serfs who will never question their authority, or try to overthrow them. They are evil people. Evil.

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