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Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:07 PM

 

How much is Bill Clinton responsible for the culture today?

An actual question asked by Katy Tur during a straight 1/2 of either blaming Democrats or stating both sided do it.

She also stated Al Franked should retire.

I guess there is a price to pay for hosting Daily MTP.

It took a guest to actually state we have a current President who is accused by 14 different woman and that he stated he can grab them by the pussy and get away with it.

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Reply How much is Bill Clinton responsible for the culture today? (Original post)
rufus dog Nov 2017 OP
wryter2000 Nov 2017 #1
underpants Nov 2017 #6
BootinUp Nov 2017 #22
guillaumeb Nov 2017 #2
LisaL Nov 2017 #3
elfin Nov 2017 #21
Hortensis Nov 2017 #29
ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #4
rufus dog Nov 2017 #11
ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #20
Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #5
saidsimplesimon Nov 2017 #7
rufus dog Nov 2017 #13
Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #8
nolabear Nov 2017 #12
DURHAM D Nov 2017 #17
Leith Nov 2017 #9
Pathwalker Nov 2017 #10
Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #14
BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #15
DURHAM D Nov 2017 #16
DURHAM D Nov 2017 #18
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #19
pnwmom Nov 2017 #23
blueinredohio Nov 2017 #24
MichMan Nov 2017 #25
lapucelle Nov 2017 #26
quartz007 Nov 2017 #27
MichMan Nov 2017 #33
madinmaryland Nov 2017 #28
WhiteTara Nov 2017 #30
Takket Nov 2017 #31
delisen Nov 2017 #32
mainer Nov 2017 #34
unblock Nov 2017 #35

Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:08 PM

1. Lordy

I thought your subject line was a serious question from you. I was getting the flamethrower out. Expect a few odd responses.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:13 PM

6. I did too

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:28 PM

22. Me three. Nt

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:09 PM

2. How much does she get paid to be so insightful?

Or something--full.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:09 PM

3. I knew it was somehow all Clinton's fault.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:24 PM

21. Actually HILLARY'S fault for working to save their marriage

Rather than going all scorched earth and destroying Chelsea at the same time. (Yes, sarcasm here)

I regret that I, too, didn't take his early accusers seriously enough. Mainly due to a snap judgement on their character based on appearance. Does not speak well for the much younger me who should have known better. I did peg Monica in the "consenting" department, and she never deserved the trashing delivered to her.

He paid in reputation, money, and whatever personal costs to his family by his horrid behavior.

However, that is done. He paid. She lost her dream job.

Leave them alone.

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Response to elfin (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:57 PM

29. She was consenting and happy; they spoke together

for hours on the phone during their affair.

Take a good look at the others. They all have not just huge holes in their stories, but huge contradictions from various evidences, including witnesses who knew them and testified against, huge questions about anti-Clinton people some associated with before the claims went public, huge questions about motivation and character. They all gained fame and made money from their new identities as professional victims.

Notably, after reading everything I could about them and checking their behavior on social media these days, quite aside from the truth of any relationship claimed with Clinton, I would never dream of hiring any one of them to babysit our grandchildren or even invite them into our house if we were neighbors.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:12 PM

4. What was the response to the guest who brought up Dotard?

I'm not going to watch that crap, so someone is going to have to give me a synopsis.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:17 PM

11. Was listening not watching

 

So couldn't see her physical response. The guest made the comment back and included what BC did was 25 years ago and then she went to making her tRump comment. Katy jumped all over the 25 years ago and stated Moore's activities are 40 years ago.

So, she equated molesting a 14 year old to oral sex with a 24 year old, see, both sides do it.

She was truly disgusting.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:24 PM

20. False equivalence huh?

What will they say when we have a nurse's sworn testimony that Moore was banned from the neonatal room...

Their logic beggars logic.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:13 PM

5. And the comment by her about Al Franken makes me madder than hell.

There has to be a limit what ACTUAL patriots, like us and Al have to put up with.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:14 PM

7. I don't watch her show.

Do you have a link? Not that I doubt the accuracy, before sending anyone off to a new "career", I want proof of the Mueller standard.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:18 PM

13. She hosted MTP daily

 

The link to the show will be up on the MSNBC site. The comment was in the 2nd fifiteen minutes.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:14 PM

8. Of course it's all Bill Clinton's fault

I myself was the victim of a drive-by saxophoning just last week. If that's not Bill's fault I don't know what is.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:18 PM

12. ...





Yep. The fabric of society was rent asunder.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:21 PM

17. and I went out to dinner with friends

who insisted on eating barbecue and fried okra


It Is All Bill's Fault !

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:15 PM

9. How Responsible Are John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, and Thomas Jefferson?

Were the guests suggest that Barton was copying WJC? Is sexual misbehavior and crime something that started in the 1990s?

It started with the advent of sexual reproduction.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:15 PM

10. Ah, the Almightly Clenis! So powerful it turned tRump into

a sexual predator since back in the 70s! Yeah, right.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:18 PM

14. Caught that segment,

What the F-----,Comcast with all in with this Net Neutrality repeal and Franken has taken the lead by arguing in favor of Net Neutrality.

It has became easy to pick up on which Corporate American Companies Political Agendas are front and center. Katy just Bastardized herself today on live TV. Must have been a memo during her pre production meeting,from Andy Lack and the BOD of Comcast.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:19 PM

15. Why not pose that same question without naming just one POTUS?

 

Perhaps sex and power have been around a lot longer than Clinton?

https://www.salon.com/2015/02/08/the_7_biggest_presidential_sex_scandals_in_history_partner/

Grover Cleveland

Grover Cleveland had a reputation for being quite the ladies man. While practicing law in Buffalo, New York, Cleveland had a romance with a young woman named Maria Crofts Halpin. Years later, Halpin accused Cleveland of fathering her son, Oscar. Cleveland did not deny it, and while never admitting paternity, did send her child support. When he ran for president in 1884, that dalliance came back to bite him, as his opponents rallied around the slogan, Ma ma, wheres my pa, gone to the White House, ha ha ha. Still, Cleveland prevailed in the election to become president (an office he lost in the subsequent election, and then regained in 1892).


Franklin Roosevelt

FDRs paralysis, caused by the polio he contracted as a young man, was no impediment to his desires. Roosevelt had a lifelong affair with Lucy Mercer, his wifes social secretary. The affair probably began in 1916 (before FDRs polio struck in 1921), while Roosevelt was serving as Assistant Secretary of the Navy, with Eleanor and their children away for the summer. A couple of years later, Eleanor happened upon some steamy letters between her husband and Lucy. Threatening divorce (which would have ruined Roosevelt politically), Eleanor remained FDRs partner if not lover. Undaunted, FDR continued his relationship with Mercer until his death in 1945 (Mercer was actually with the president when he died.) Other rumored affairs included his secretary, Missy LeHand, and another with the Crown Princess Marta of Norway. Not to be outdone, Eleanor had her own extracurricular activities to keep her busy, not least of which were probable affairs with Nancy Cook, Marion Dickerman and Lorena Hickok.


Lyndon Baines Johnson

Lyndon Baines Johnson competed with John Kennedy in realms beyond politics. Referring to JFKs sexual voraciousness, LBJ once claimed, "I have had more women by accident than he has had on purpose."

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:20 PM

16. I guess Katy blames Bill for the way Trump treated her. nt

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:23 PM

18. Every since she has been in studio and not out on the trail

she just seems somewhat off. She is angry at everyone I guess.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:23 PM

19. He was punished heavily for his deeds with Lewinsky.

 

It was more than just a proper public shaming, he also had to deal with the right wing machine. Some on the left as well.

Trump wasnt impeached for his crap, he was elected President.

Thats a culture change. Seems women are working to turn things around quickly. I would even say it appears we might be seeing a womens revolution forming.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:35 PM

23. You mean, because he was the first President the media didn't cover up for, but made a spectacle

of him?

That's his fault?

Before Bill Clinton, Presidents were given a sphere of privacy. That ended with Clinton. I don't blame him for not realizing the rules were suddenly going to change.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:40 PM

24. Bill Clinton was not the first nor will he be the last politician to screw around

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:42 PM

25. I think there was a message sent out that intimidated women from speaking out against others

I wonder how many other women who saw how the allegations by Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones were handled by the administration were intimidated from speaking out about their own sexual harassment complaints against powerful men.

Seeing that accusers were ridiculed, attacked in the media and subject to private investigators digging up dirt from your past may have had a chilling effect on women speaking out with fear those tactics would be used against them.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:43 PM

26. After having read her father's perspective on their estrangement,

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:54 PM

27. A new word was coined?

 

Getting a "Lewinsky".

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Response to quartz007 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 07:10 PM

33. and "bimbo eruptions"

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:57 PM

28. He is not. Period. It's a culture that has been with the human race for thousands of years.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 07:01 PM

30. Why not blame JFK?

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 07:02 PM

31. yeah misogyny and sexual harassment never existed before Clinton



What an absolutely stupid ass question.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 07:10 PM

32. Eisenhower had an affair with a subordinate

while he was commander in World War II. Press did not report on it.
After the war was over he dumped her.

Dick Nixon was never known to engage in any questionable sexual behavior.

Harry Truman apparently never engaged in questionable sexual behavior. He and Bess were just folks.

JFK was notorious but protected by the press. By today's standards his behavior would be considered outrageous.

Johnson had some sketchy bathroom behaviors, insisted his biographer get in bed with him while interviewing him. Otherwise just rumors.

Amiable Gerald Ford-know nothing about any affairs.

Jimmy Carter committed adultery but only in his heart and preached forgiveness.

Reagan was first divorced president, at least in modern times. It signaled a new lowering of moral standards. Had their first child less than nine months after marriage-press did not write about it.
He seemed faithful to Nancy. I think he called her Mommy-so Pencian.

G H W Bush just one persistent rumor has followed him. He seems to get a senior pass for his more recent sexcapades-reaching out from his wheelchair to grab women and telling them naughty jokes. Maybe it's Parkinson medications.

Well, I just don't think Clinton is responsible for the sexual revolution or loosening of standards of behavior.
Had he been president in the 1960s we never would have heard about his sex life while he was in office.

In a sense his sex publicity is a perfect-storm product of the feminist movement of the 1970s, the sexual revolution, changing mores, and the free speech movement
The sex-crazed Christian Right railed against all of the above-but seized the opportunity they provided to wallow in the salacious-bless their hearts.

I suspect the Europeans ascribe our sex issues to our being a Puritan-founded nation.


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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 07:19 PM

34. Since the beginning of time. What about Lot and his daughters?

Biblical incest, considered "OK."

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Nov 22, 2017, 08:10 PM

35. He paid a price for what he did, so what is he supposed to be responsible for?

His experience proved even presidents pay a price for such things. His agenda suffered, his reputation suffered, and I think he paid a fine and was disbarred, at least for a while.

So what is he supposed to be responsible for? Harassment in today's culture? Hardly. If anything, the whole episode should have taught men to keep it in their pants.

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