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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe have to have a national discussion about Fox News. We are in danger.
I have talked to some Trump voters after Flynn was arrested. The people I talked to are normal middle class americans. All of them repeated the same exact words. Words they heard on Fox News. No big deal, fake news, Trump is doing a great job. They all sounded like robots repeating a recording. It scared the shit out of me and I don't scare easy.
Fox News has turned millions of americans into the people of 1930s Germany. They are blindly following propaganda, they will destroy themselves if given the chance and take us down with them.
I am going to e-mail my senators and mention what I am seeing. I hope you all do the same.
greeny2323
(590 posts)Fox News consistently has a very old audience. They won't be able to hold on forever. We just need to get more people to vote, fight gerrymandering and fight voter suppression.
haele
(12,646 posts)It's "entertainment" - the hosts and hostesses are very earnest Barbie and Ken dolls who won't seem to be too smart for the average customer or casual viewer. It's insidious background noise for people who aren't really interested in the world outside their jobs, families, and maybe their communities - basically, Faux brings the outside world to a large number of younger adults who are too busy to pay attention to anything that doesn't directly affect them.
And some of these adults are educated professionals. But Faux gives them an easier and quicker news soundbyte, that allows them to avoid having to actually take the time and effort to pay attention.
Haele
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)to music while waiting for my car, or the doctor. So many people in those waiting rooms sit entranced with Fox. It is truly scary.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)During his volunteer shift he makes a point of changing the channel away from Fox in the waiting rooms every chance he gets.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)...the Greed Is Good message.
Stryst
(714 posts)That means that it might be one of two 24 hours news (The other channel being CSPAN) channels that are part of the cheapest basic cable package in many regions. Free poison is more appealing to some than cheap vegetables.
Duppers
(28,118 posts)I've actually complained about Faux being on in restaurants' bars' tv's and asked that it be changed. One obligated me, one said management would not permit them to turn it.
Your description is perfect and almost complete: "people who aren't really interested in the world outside their jobs, families, and maybe their communities."
To which I would definitely add churches.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)I know more 30-50 aged people who watch that chit than I do older ones.
It is scary how delusional and frozen in their rhetoric these people are.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I't is the whole cabal fox and right wing radio. They have created an alternate reality that has millions nodding along in agreement.
Initech
(100,063 posts)They are a foreign intelligence agency with clear, hostile intentions. They screwed up one election in 2000, and they did it again last year. And have they been punished? No. Something has to be done.
FarPoint
(12,336 posts)No one knows how to confront this National Assult.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)Fox is the evil step child of hate radio. My liberal mother got a job at a place that played Limbaugh in the back room every day. In less than two years she was a rwnj. Fortunately she never went religious or I might have stopped talking to her. When Fox came on the tube, she switched to it. She spent the last 20 years of her life believing right wing lies & voting against her best interest.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)Third, we have seen the impact of significant changes in the news media, which had a far greater importance on the right than on the left. The development of the modern conservative media echo chamber began with the rise of Rush Limbaugh and talk radio in the late 1980s and ramped up with the birth of Fox News. Matt Drudge, his protégé Andrew Breitbart and Breitbarts successor Steve Bannon leveraged the power of the internet to espouse their far-right views. And with the advent of social media, we saw the emergence of a radical alt-right media ecosystem able to create its own facts and build an audience around hostility to the establishment, anti-immigration sentiment and racial resentment. Nothing even close to comparable exists on the left.
The entire commentary is worth the read. But hate radio/Fox is something that the dems largely ignore.
My ex and ex in-laws used to be Democrats and now they're all posting RW rhetoric on their FB pages. I'm 800 miles away from them and haven't seen them for a couple of decades now, so I'm not sure what changed changed their politics so dramatically, but my guess is that they probably watched too much Fox news. People whose only sources for news are hate radio, Breitbart and Fox suffer from cognitive dissonance. That's why when Trump started parroting RW media, they thought he was telling it like it is.
calimary
(81,210 posts)And do not forget the sinister objectives of the Sinclair network. They've merged with Tribune. That brings them another 250-or-so local TV stations into their clutches, and they can then shove Boris Epshteyn down more people's throats with MORE far-right/alt-right propaganda that will, guaranteed, NOT feature an opposing view.
And you can thank ronald fucking reagan for that. HE was the one who did away with the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Provision that required stations to present more genuinely balanced news and information programming. reagan said TV and radio station owners didn't have to do that anymore. As it used to be - you had to prove you were responsive to your community's needs and issues, WITH YOUR PROGRAMMING, in order to keep your license to broadcast.
And you had to document it. It was called "ascertainment." I had to do this all the time, as a news director. So did my usual partner in these things: the public affairs director. You'd invite some local official or leader-type (government, law enforcement, academic, business) and do a public affairs interview with him or her, to fill one of the half-hour or hour-long public affairs slots that tended to cluster on weekend early mornings and overnights. After that, you'd keep him or her for a few extra minutes to do an ascertainment interview, asking what they considered the most important local issues facing the community. There was a form to fill out, and room to fill in the answers as well as the identifiers for the interview subject. I'd go according to the form and follow along with everything that needed to be filled out - issue-wise, and fill those out on the spot. Then, after walking the guest out and thanking them, the form went into BIG binders that were kept to show to anyone in the public who asked, to prove that we were dutifully "ascertaining" what various kinds of community leaders thought were the local issues of the day, and then developing programming to address those issues.
We kept those records, as all stations did, because when it came time for license renewal, those books provided proof that we were responsive to the community and therefore deserving of holding that precious broadcast license in the public interest. Those books were open to anyone who asked to see them, including potential license challengers. I remember working at one station that had ongoing legal troubles based on what its corporate owners had done much earlier, and its license was always being challenged by interested groups. One of those groups had the actress Marla Gibbs (from "The Jeffersons" as a member.
But reagan did away with those regulations because-regulations-are-horrible and now, basically, no station has to prove any community responsibility to anybody, any longer. Neat, huh?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)For has managed to harness this love of evil, as well as love of hate, lies and ever present persecution.
Yes, a clear danger for years and ever growing as they direct the madman in the WH with their daily public briefings meant for The Cult.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Fox news is a big part of it. Things have changed. We have always had a small percentage of americans who followed propaganda. Fox News has changed that. Now its big enough to win an election. History does not repeat itself but it sure does rhythm. 1930s Germany.
marybourg
(12,618 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)Usually it stops when they destroy themselves. All you can do is speak out about it.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)...won't dissuade these people. I used to think that conservatism was a legitimate political philosophy - not one I agreed with, but it at least had coherent arguments and I felt it was useful to have another "side" to bounce things off of. I remember debating the College Republicans in college, and they weren't nuts back then. We'd disagree on abortion, taxes, militarization, welfare. I found it productive at least. But Trump and his supporters are extremists and the right wing has not stood up to them or drawn a line, so I think that's probably the death of real conservatism. There is very little conservatism out there that is not serving Trump. He could get away with anything as far as these people are concerned.
Then again, I have always believed that the true conservatives were small in number and that the GOP was essentially driven by racists and theocrats, many of whom inclined toward fascism.
fallout87
(819 posts)you're senators can do about a news channel protected under the first amendment?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)If you check out Briebert or Red State the big stories last night were:
Obama appointee Flynn acted alone.
Obama should be locked up for speaking ill of Trump while overseas.
An ABC News reporter is suspended for peddling fake news.
Arrests are imminent for people ignoring subpoenas issued by Devin Nunes.
It is surreal in that corner of the world. It's a mix of distortions and lies.
Duppers
(28,118 posts)pwb
(11,261 posts)Never watch it. Try not to read about it here.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)I mean it. People have to start lawsuits against Fox when they are personally damaged by their diatribes. The old liberal adage is that you ignore bad press. That isn't working in this case.
Fox needs to be held financially accountable when they act as propaganda machines.
I really think more people need to sue.
Jim__
(14,074 posts)The November/December issue of Mother Jones has an article on the Sinclair Broadcast Group, Ready for Trump TV? Inside Sinclair Broadcastings Plot to Take Over Your Local News. An excerpt:
Station staffers thought it odd to see Smith, one of four brothers who control Sinclair, aimlessly show up at this evening hour. According to a source familiar with the newsroom, he assured them that he wouldnt be staying long; he was just killing time until a dinner appointment. Before he left, he confided that he was headed to the White House, to dine with President Donald Trump himself.
At 67, Smith has thick jowls and a head full of silver hair with wide-set eyes shaped like crescents. A longtime Republican donor who travels in rarefied circles (he once hosted a party for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas), Smith lives outside Baltimore in Marylands horse country, where his company is headquartered. Over the past 30 years, Smith and his brothers have transformed a small family company with three TV stations into a media goliath with entrée to the Oval Office. Along the way he has shown no qualms about using his stations for political purposes and has salivated at the prospect of acquiring more under Trumps friendly regulatory regime. In April, Sinclair hired Boris Epshteyn, a former Trump White House staffer and frequent television surrogate, as its chief political analyst. Epshteyns softball interviews with administration officials and brusque commentaries are slavishly pro-Trump; a Baltimore Sun columnist wrote that the segments are as close to classic propaganda as anything I have seen in broadcast television in the last 30 years.
Boris Epshteyns Sinclair segments are as close to classic propaganda as anything I have seen in broadcast television in the last 30 years.
After a campaign season spent boosting Trump, Sinclair looks set to grow even bigger thanks to the presidents appointees at the Federal Communications Commission: In May, the company announced a $3.9 billion deal to acquire Tribune Medias 42 TV stations, which would give Sinclair access to New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, the nations three largest media markets. The dealand, for many, Sinclair itselfcame to prominence after John Oliver blasted it in an episode of his HBO show, Last Week Tonight, that has been seen more than 6 million times on YouTube. Experts believe the FCC will approve the merger, despite critics on the left and right who argue the deal will give Sinclair far more reach into American households than the law allows.
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calimary
(81,210 posts)gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)have talked with also
moondust
(19,972 posts)Ain't got time. Too much fake newz. Watchin' the games. Murcan Idol on after that. Prefer blonds. Fox is boss. ...
How much is ignorance, how much stupidity, how much lack of analytical skills, how much incuriosity, how much brainwashing, how much "Future Shock" (information overload; Alvin Toffler, 1970)? I'm sure a lot of it is just good old tribal bigotry unfortunately made worse by the reach of the Internet.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)"State Television"
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Even more insidious is Sinclair, now that the FCC has relaxed (again) ownership rules. They inject right wing commentary into local news, where most people still go to get their news. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 relaxed rules and led to more concentrated ownership as well. Clinton signed, just another travesty of that administration.
rainin
(3,011 posts)We have to get very serious about this. I don't believe our congressmen even know how powerful the RW media are. I keep hearing democratic leaders say things that reveal the lack of awareness of what is going on in the minds of rural voters, and red state voters. I live with a fox viewer so I have an inside view of it's impact. It is constant brainwashing with "alternative facts". For example, saying they will see that the tax bill hurts them is fantasy. Everything bad that happens is Obama's fault or Hillary's fault. And everything good that happens is Trump's doing.
We need to get great minds together to take this on.
Ideas?
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)I have two totally unrelated friends both Libertarian. One a co-workder the other a friend by association. It is interesting they kept bringing up the same points at the same time. I think they were both Fox / Rush fans. Both of them could not hold a scientific argument about anything.
-Airplane
jrthin
(4,835 posts)nation stand by and watch as it being destroyed from the inside out.
Dr_Pretorius
(71 posts)We have our telescreens, as Orwell predicted.