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Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:22 PM

It's time to declare the White House, the House, the Senate, and Courts no longer Constitutional

I think we need to start looking at this option. They simply are not the bodies as described as per the US Constitution, but have degenerated into mockeries of it.

Common defense and general welfare - Article I, Section 8. I'll tell you what national security isn't - "There's a mass shooter but he didn't shout "Allahu Ackbar", so it's *just* a mass murder." If this is your idea of public safety, then you aren't contributing to the defense of this country. Period.

We have placed the interests of few (The stock market or as we are seeing in the tax bill, donors) over the interests as the American people as a whole. This is not what representative government is about.

And the interests of the people and what we see our government do keep widely diverging... support for Planned Parenthood, the War on Drugs, healthcare, etc.

An election is not going to fix this. Not by itself. The problem is systemic, and so there must be a systemic way to push back. That means forming organizations and telling bodies overseas to stop recognizing the DC state within a state as a legitimate government. That means having elections free from the occupying party of Trump, McConnell, and Ryan. I have no illusions Trump can be removed from power, but we can take away from the power of the President, so we have to crack the bully pulpit... express disbelief just because the President says it, and yes, leave your "respect for the office" by the door.

We have to withdraw our consent.

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Reply It's time to declare the White House, the House, the Senate, and Courts no longer Constitutional (Original post)
ck4829 Dec 2017 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #1
sl8 Dec 2017 #15
FarCenter Dec 2017 #2
snooper2 Dec 2017 #3
WillowTree Dec 2017 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #8
WillowTree Dec 2017 #9
NCTraveler Dec 2017 #5
AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #6
sarisataka Dec 2017 #7
Lurks Often Dec 2017 #10
delisen Dec 2017 #17
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #11
LanternWaste Dec 2017 #12
delisen Dec 2017 #18
Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2017 #13
Codeine Dec 2017 #14
delisen Dec 2017 #16
librechik Dec 2017 #19
onenote Dec 2017 #20

Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:27 PM

1. So "we" make that declaration, which, along with $3.00, will get you

a small latte at Starbucks. We can't declare squat. Or, we can "declare" until we're purple in the face and shitting patio blocks, but then what? The only power we have is voting. If voting doesn't work, then what?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:21 PM

15. I don't think you understand the full power of declarations


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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:31 PM

2. There's already a movement for that

 

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:33 PM

3. m, okay- DECLARED! LOL, now what? do we get the army on our side for a coup?

 

Form our own? Stop paying taxes to break the bank? Can I be ambassador to Antarctica before it is gone? LOL

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:35 PM

4. What you're suggesting would require a new Constitutional Convention.

How likely do you think it is that that's going to happen?

Really. How likely?

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:37 PM

8. That would be the WORST thing that could happen

because with right-wingers controlling a lot of state governments a rewritten constitution could be a real disaster.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:38 PM

9. Also that.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:36 PM

5. A couple of issues.

 

1) No one is going to claim anything constitutional because elected politicians call a mass murderer a mass murderer.
2) "We have placed the interests of few (The stock market or as we are seeing in the tax bill, donors) over the interests as the American people as a whole." - "We have almost always...." There is nothing new about this with respect to the US. It's par for the course and what we are fighting to change.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:36 PM

6. K n R nm

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:36 PM

7. Sure, I'll help

I declare the White House, the House, the Senate, and Courts no longer Constitutional

Ok, now what?

I guess I can write a new governing document but I am only Me the Person, not We the People so don't know if it will go very far.


I think what you are suggesting is a revolution. Those can get messy as the sitting government rarely is complacent when it is ignored and replaced.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:50 PM

10. LOL, you go right ahead and see how far it gets you

 

The most likely result would be you either getting arrested or sent for psychiatric evaluation at the nearest hospital.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:04 PM

17. Pretty much what colonists were told in 1775 I guess

but they did go on to win.

In 1775 those in revolt won.

In 1860 those in revolt lost.

In 2017 we do not not yet know the outcome.

All three struggles center on legality and legitimacy.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:52 PM

11. I hereby declare the White House, the House, the Senate, and Courts no longer Constitutional.

OK. All done; good to go.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:56 PM

12. Reading stuff like this compels me to wish civics and government classes were still taught.

Reading stuff like this compels me to wish civics and government classes were still taught.

Withdraw your consent from science while you're at it... it's just as valid.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:07 PM

18. Principle of the consent of the governed is taught.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:58 PM

13. What? Nt

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:12 PM

14. Skinner needs to make high school civics knowledge

a basic requirement for posting privileges here.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:59 PM

16. You have a good point. We are in Revolution #3


















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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:09 PM

19. complicit . Period. Soldout for cash and forcing women to bring all pregnancies to term

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:09 PM

20. This option as you call it is non-existent as a legal matter

But itís certainly your right under the constitution to advocate the making of pointless declarations

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