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Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:57 AM

If Franken is forced out the Democrats are stupid and it's hopeless

Stupid, stupid people. Why not just let the Trumpsters and the rest of the nasty GOP shoot you in the heads.

Trump and Moore were real offenders and you cannot tell the difference and want to throw one of our BEST senators out NOW when were're up against the ropes?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:57 AM

1. I agree.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:57 AM

2. There is certainly a "plan" to all of this....

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:00 PM

6. By the Democrats?

Moral outrage is not a very good strategy. By the GOP sure! With billions in dark money - and now even more billions after tax "reform" passes this will NEVER END.

The Democrats will be destroyed by hearsay.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:04 PM

12. No - there is some sort of targeting going on by the "other side"

again - not to condone any of this behavior - but just all seems quite fishy to me.

Grab them by the pussy still in office going completely unscathed?

It all stinks.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:05 PM

15. I agree, anything anonymous should be suspect

and the six female dems are really, really gullible.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:09 PM

19. we are going to need new analogies - we bring silly putty to a nuke fight?

Decades of taking the high road doesn't seem to be serving our party very well.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:04 PM

70. THIS .... "we bring silly putty"!!!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:38 PM

113. Careful!

I got alerted twice of late for saying something - true, but unflattering - about an EX-Dem. And here you are demeaning the whole Demned party! Surely, the mods will do something once get up off the floor! Look forward - only forward. We gave the White House keys to Donny and that's OLD history. Just look to the future! I mean: "Stupid, stupid Dems" - I don't see how that paints the party in a soothing hue.


<- this lest some genius take me to task.

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #113)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:15 PM

253. Dear Mods

I've been looking thru the many posts this morning. And with SO MUCH anger and defaming against the Dems and Bernie..... Is there any chance you could reinstate the two posts I recently had pulled? I don't really NEED a reminder of the "rules" of DU. If the rules meant anything, there'd be a genuine dearth of posts and OPs today.

Whaddya say? Just kiddin' of course. I've hung out here long enough that I've figured out how things "work".

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:54 AM

234. There are 6 including Tweendan? I thought she was one and the other girl was 2 and then 2 anonymous

ones

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:46 PM

178. heresay and 'popular' outrage generated mainly by 300 POS on 1500 radio stations

because the idiot dem party and idiot progressive orgs ignore it.

really fucking stupid.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:44 PM

199. Like the election plan?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:59 AM

3. Its pretty simple.

GOP slime machine: Jump dems!

Dems: How high should we jump? Thank you sir may we have another.

At this point I'd vote for Bernie over Gillibrand. I regret buying her book to cheer my wife up after the election.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:09 PM

205. Bernie said he should step down.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #205)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:42 PM

216. My post was made several hours before that.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #216)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:45 PM

217. So what do you have to say now?

This is horrible. I hope he renews calls for every fucking pol under the shadow of similar accusations. Let's do THAT!

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #217)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:52 PM

218. ANYONE who has called for Franken to resign has lost my support.

As far as the 2020 primary goes. As far as 2018 goes, I’m not going to be donating to Dems who called for him to resign, specifically Claire McCaskill. I will continue to support obstruction of the Drumpf agenda, regardless. This day will likely have long term affects on my relationship with the party that are not yet fully understood. I am deeply disillusioned right now.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #218)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:16 AM

225. I am soo pissed and hope there is something we don't know.

Will await his statement tomorrow to judge this. Something feels really off with the coordination of all this. Becasue of a hug? WTF? The blowback from this will destroy the complaints of working women.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #225)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:01 AM

232. That is one of my biggest fears in all of this

I genuinely want a safer environment for women to be able to expose misconduct but this has set the bar so low it makes a mockery of justice and completely undercuts women who have legitimately been abused.

As a man watching this all I can think is if we have now set the bar for sexual assault at squeezing someones waist during a hug we have just ensured that all women are a liability in the workplace. Seems to be the complete opposite of the intent. Rather than working to protect them we have made every man in america look at them with trepidation.

Maybe that is justice to sow fear into the hearts of every man in america but I suspect the blowback towards women is going to be enormous.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #232)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:18 AM

242. Yeah, the fact that none of this has to do with workplace stuff is maddening.

And I really think accuser #1 was encouraged or out right paid to lie. I just don't believe her.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:59 AM

4. We will get a good replacement out of

Dayton, Minnesota's Dem governor.

I think it's time to move forward and take Franken off the table as an excuse for rethugs. Then we can say with pride that we did what we should, while they still allow tRump, Farenthold, and now possibly Moore, to stay in power.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:01 PM

7. Disagree

Where does it end?

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:02 PM

9. Exactly

If he steps down the GOP will just use this tactic over and over.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:29 PM

28. I foresee religious right demogogery against a Senator Ellison.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:02 PM

68. Bingo!

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:01 PM

8. Franken is one of best attackers of the GOP

The best on Russia. That kind of intelligence it not easily replaced,

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Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:33 PM

32. Yep. Been going on forever. Never standing their ground. Tired of the

Spineless dems.

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Response to notdarkyet (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:34 PM

37. It's just a reminder that these people don't have a moral or ethical backbone in their body

and you have to vote for these sadsacks to keep much worse sadsacks from winning. Yay.

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Response to kcr (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:00 PM

202. yep!

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Response to kcr (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:31 AM

244. Yep. It's so depressing. No one has our backs. No one. nt

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Response to notdarkyet (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:18 PM

133. It sure isn't

...the feisty party it used to be.

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Response to notdarkyet (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:15 PM

214. And above all.....

don't offend anyone. We can't use language that offends anyone!

That is all. Love and peace to everyone!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:35 PM

110. His authority and ability to critique

has been utterly destroyed. If he stayed on the Al Franken going forward would be a shadow of the senator he was prior to this foofarah.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:51 PM

58. So, we give in on the eternal game of chicken

and we get rid of Franken.

Next time a Dem challenges them, they find some anonymous people with iffy claims and we get rid of that person too.

Then there is another and another as they fill the house and senate with truly evil people who are above any sort of recriminations because our side is too busy purging all of our effective legislators.

They will never stop and we'll just form another circular firing squad...I'm sickened by this.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #58)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:18 PM

88. Honestly why bother voting...just keep making Democrats resign

This is just stupid...apparently easier and cheaper to "win" back house and senate seats is Tim push out strong sitting Democrats

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #88)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:25 PM

98. I was feeling hopeful with the Mueller indictments

Now?

We'll never get another Dem elected...unlimited money from PACs and Churches will find all kinds of anonymous accusers and our party will demand that the candidates/elected officials just quit.

Why even bother?

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Response to Bettie (Reply #98)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:03 PM

181. It's just getting to be too heartbreaking. We get our hopes up only to have them shattered again.

I don't know how much more of this I can take. I feel so betrayed by our own spineless "leaders". When the going gets tough, they roll over and play possum. Frankly, I am thoroughly disgusted. I don't think I could be any more despairing than I am right now.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:51 PM

59. And, once that happens...

...we'll see similar charges against a Democrat from a state with a Republican governor to make the appointment. And, if we don't press for that Democrat to resign immediately as well, we'll be painted as hypocrites. Count on it.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:14 PM

83. Yeah let's have Repubs dictate what we do

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:03 PM

125. Franken's answer

Franken's standard answer from now on should be: "I'll resign when Mr. Trump resigns."

That's it. The conversation ends there. No discussion. Walk away.

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Response to Bibluca (Reply #125)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:21 PM

135. Works for me.

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Response to Bibluca (Reply #125)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:11 PM

206. Agreed!

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Response to Bibluca (Reply #125)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:38 AM

250. That works for me also Bibluca, Welcome to DU

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:02 PM

152. Yep, lets all just roll over and take it ONE more time...when does it end?

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:31 PM

164. so glad you are in the minority

good luck ever keeping any decent democrat in office if the bar is
they have never touched another human being

the repubs hate franken because he had the audacity to actually count the votes in the election they had stolen

another dem will not be the same and no dem will ever be safe again

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:05 PM

183. What? This rape, assault, incest, harassment survivor does not agree.

It's BS and I would never expect anyone to be indicted on my hearsay. We will have all kinds of problems stemming from this. It will not be as easy as you think. Why doesn't Franken get due process?

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #183)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:37 PM

197. Absolutely correct. nt

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:48 AM

228. There is no "pride" later after having joined a lynch mob

Railroading a colleague out of the Senate without due process is not "the right thing to do."

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:00 PM

5. We will never ever win a war on 3 fronts

we are battling the GOP on the right flank, and battling ourselves from the left and center

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Response to GusBob (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:34 PM

36. +1000000000000000000

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Response to GusBob (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:41 PM

47. well said

nm

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Response to GusBob (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:01 PM

212. here's an idea:

the center moves left and we all fight the republicans, kinda like roosevelt. Worked before.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:03 PM

11. This will end

when all the MOC who have exposure on this issue are gone.

Sad but true.

And if much of this is fabricated, Franken will have his opportunity to rebut, while Congressional Dems have a clear field to go hard after all the rethugs still in office.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:07 PM

17. No. There are very, very few as talented as Franken

He will not be easily replaced.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:04 PM

13. JFC he's one person.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:18 PM

23. The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim.

But hey, when they go low, we go high. And after 40 years of that policy, the GOP has their boot on our neck. We're just battling for our country, so why not sacrifice one of our best bulldogs, based on specious claims, without any kind of inquiry? WTF?
I've lost respect for the Democratic Party. They need a spine implant & have needed one for about 40 years, & more recently I think they could use a brain implant, too.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:26 PM

25. "The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim."

This argument puzzles me. Do we really think that out of 5 million people, Franken is the only one who's that sharp, articulate and outspoken?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:28 PM

27. I do

Give us some names from those '5 million people' you mentioned and I'll reevaluate my position.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:32 PM

31. If you think he's the only one who could do the job, I'm pretty sure I can't convince you otherwise.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:34 PM

34. You didn't offer up any names.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:36 PM

42. I know.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:38 PM

44. there are plenty of people that could "do the job"

but, the list of Minnesota Democrats that could do the job as well as Al Franken is probably a very short one. How many Democrats in all of the US that you can name that are Harvard graduates, have a history in media, are best selling authors with a great sense of humor and are also hard working, diligent and great at questioning witnesses?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:49 PM

56. I'm more puzzled by dems who want him to resign without an inquiry.

And yes, I do think that combination of attributes is difficult to find. Sharp, or quick on your feet, I think, is a quality that good comedians share. Attorneys, you'd hope so, but not always so much.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:28 PM

162. 'optics'

This is all about dems looking good, nothing about right and wrong.

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Response to scipan (Reply #162)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:05 AM

233. But really all it did was make them look weak again.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:18 AM

239. There are a few hundred democrats/progressives already in congress

He is undeniably one of the handful of strongest voices we have, with Bernie, Warren ... Can't find many more.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:36 PM

40. This . +10000000000000000000

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:55 PM

62. Franken is the one who asked Sessions the question that got him recused

Please tell us who you think could have done that. Because no one else in the Senate did.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:49 PM

122. The GOP is playing to win

at all costs. We're not. They are using our sense of fairness against us. This will end poorly.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #122)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:16 PM

131. This

I don’t get it at all. I’ve beaten myself up wording what’s so hard to figure out?! The GOP have been fighting with no regards to the country and what the majority of the people think...Cutthroat win at all costs, yet the Dems seem to want play by the book, take the high road. When will they get it through their thick heads that playing fair and nice the last 20 yrs only gets your teeth kicked in politically?

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Response to OkieLib41 (Reply #131)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:43 PM

198. Yep, what is really going on?

He can't quit for this

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:05 PM

14. Good week for Bannon...

His dirty tricks push out our strongest Senator while he shoves a pedophile through the system in time to vote on a devastating tax bill

A Moore victory will embolden Bannon in his scheme to fill Washington with the worst of the worst

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Response to lame54 (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:07 PM

18. Exactly

They're laughing at us

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Response to lame54 (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:41 PM

48. That filthy, scabrous, seditious piece of shit

should NEVER be showcased the way he has been on TV today.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:49 PM

55. Sam Seder too

The pizza gate, alt right fascist was able to get Seder fired from MSNBC.

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Response to HootieMcBoob (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:05 PM

126. And there were people here cheering it on. n/t

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Response to lame54 (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:20 PM

90. THIS

He is no doubt rotf

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:15 PM

20. Agree..

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:17 PM

21. Agree

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:17 PM

22. No one sets up a circular firing squad as well as the Democratic Party.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:24 PM

156. Jesus Christ on a Crutch - it isn't enough that the Rethugs regularly

kick the shit out of us - now we're committed to kicking ourselves!!! Franken's response should be one sentence: "I'll resign when Trump does". Nothing more. Let the Rethugs choke on it.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #156)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:05 PM

182. This!



There is no other response to this bullshit!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:25 PM

24. At the rate things are going now

Anybody running or thinking about running for office will need to ensure that there is absolutely NOTHING.....I MEAN NOTHING.....questionable or problematic lurking in their past history. Of course, everybody's got skeletons and opponents and opportunists seeking to bring you down in politics, so the possibility that one can avoid any problems during a campaign or even years later when in office seems extremely low, especially when people can make accusations until they start mounting up, forcing you into a position where you may be pressured to resign without fully examining everything. I'm not saying we shouldn't take accusations of misconduct seriously but if we start throwing everybody out of office before fully examining charges and taking account of everything, we won't have anybody left considered fit or "pure" enough to serve.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:30 PM

29. True! And if you don't have a skeleton the repugs will invent one

Nothing anonymous should be allowed when it comes to accusations of impropriety.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:56 PM

63. Even if you've never done anything wrong

if you ever hugged someone, they can claim that you touched their butt and you are out!

If you ever hit on someone and got shot down, you are evil and must leave the race.

If you ever told an off-color joke, sorry, you're gone.

If you have ever been human....nope, can't risk it.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:27 PM

26. Yep. If we Dems knuckle under AGAIN, this time about Al Franken,

when that fat ugly fuck in Texas with the duckie pajamas is still leering and grinning at us, and they're seating a known pedophile in the Senate, ugh!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:30 PM

30. Remember when the Russian trolls were pushing

The second story? Ask yourselves why.
I can’t believe the Democrats are so stupid to be manipulated by Roger Stone like this. Unbelievable

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:33 PM

33. Democrats walking right into a trap set by repukes

If Franken were to resign over this the repukes will pull a bait and switch right around the time of the Minnesota special election and portray the Democratic party as being overran by hyper feminist for forcing out Franken to suppress turnout among Democratic males.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:34 PM

35. I agree

The callers for his scalp are emboldened by the fact that the Dem governor of Minn would appoint another Dem to fill the vacancy. I think it is a woman, but not sure.

There is a process - use it. The ethics committee. Then if it keeps piling on, Franken can announce he won't run when his term is up, but will continue to serve until then.

I haven't seen anything yet that suggests more than very bad and stupid behavior. I still do not think he is a predatory danger to females. Just icky.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:34 PM

38. I am sick of this

When is our side going to play by the same rules the GOP does? David Vitter never resigned, Moore is still in, yet we have to resign. Our pundits like Sam Seder are fired, I am sick of this.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:35 PM

39. Make lemonade out of a lemon!

I prefer the unrestrained, over-the-top Al Franken who "wrote the book" on how fucked up Washington is!

Anybody can be a senator - or president - but there is only one gawdam Al Franken!!!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:25 PM

208. YES! THAT GUY!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:36 PM

41. Everybody who stands against the Trump cabal is a target.

Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell could be next.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:41 PM

49. Attempts were made to paint Schiff as gay

a couple of months ago. They really don't have anything on him just innuendo.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:02 PM

124. Inuendo is enough.

So it seems.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:56 PM

146. Is there something wrong about being gay?

There isn't, obviously, so how could that "accusation" be used to smear him

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #146)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:57 PM

147. Point they were trying to make is that he's married and secretly

gay or some bullshit.

Failed attempt

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #147)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:16 PM

173. Ok, context is everything

Thanks

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:38 PM

43. As a party, one of the Democrats' great strengths...

is the ability to lie down belly-up in response to Republican bluster.

If Franken steps down, then look for his replacement to be weak, non-wave-making figure who'll sit quietly in the back of the room until a Republican can come along to replace him or her.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:40 PM

45. The only resignation they should be calling for

is Donald Trump.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:40 PM

46. The only way to fend off this shit is to elect women

 

Because all they have to do is say they grabbed my ass and it's all over for a man. If Dems are to go forward as a party they need to get rid of men because they have dicks so are not to be believed when it comes to sex .no matter how many hundreds of women sign statements vouching for their charachter.

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Response to tapermaker (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:44 PM

51. At this point they're a lot of gain in saying he grabbed my whatever

This is BAD for feminism and makes women look ridiculous when or if it's used for personal gain at the expense of someone else.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:36 PM

220. This may not be a popular opinion.

But this could turn even more men away from the party.

Relatively innocuous behavior (and be honest - it is) that could happen to anyone in the same position (its happened to me in group photos or in quick meet and greet photo ops) is being exaggerated (without clear evidence it even happened) and a popular male Democratic Senator has had his party leadership and colleagues turn against him.

Guys will see the knives come out over this “scandal” and wonder - is there a place for me in the Democratic Party?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:42 PM

50. Also possibly zero chance to impeach DT.

The GOP keeps their voters while the dems agreeably fall on their swords.

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Response to BadgerKid (Reply #50)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:37 PM

112. There was never any chance to impeach Trump.

That's a ridiculous pipe dream. We vote him out.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:45 PM

52. Can't believe this is happening!

NEVER been so angry in all my life. This is a GOP hit job!!!!

FUCK the GOP and the goddamn republicans they can all burn in hell!!!!

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Response to DemKittyNC (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:51 PM

57. Fuck the Dems

 

There the ones rolling over and calling for this champion of feminism to to be removed

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:47 PM

53. Sure as shit they'll vote in a republican in that seat.

But we will have a moral victory.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:52 PM

60. Who needs enemies . . .

when we have fellow Dems willing to trash one another.

Franken has admitted to boorish behavior and frat-boy pranks. He's owned the incident (s) and apologized. Short of crucifying himself what else is required?

All things in the world of harassment are not equal. As thinking human beings we need to make distinctions. Al Franken does not = Roy Moore. Al Franken does not = Donald J. Trump or Blake Farenthold who paid out $84000 in taxpayer money for a harassment allegation. Where are the cries for Farenthold to resign??

Franken is a strong Democratic voice and fighter. He has openly invited an ethics investigation. So why preempt that investigation with a pointless purge?

Democrats excel at shooting themselves in the foot while allowing the right-wing to get away with murder.

Who needs enemies??

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #60)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:47 PM

120. Who needs enemies

Thanks for voicing aloud what a lot of us are thinking.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:54 PM

61. This is getting ridiculous

Why can't the Democrats just let the Senate ethics investigation take its course? Why hold a press conference and demand Franken's resignation? What good does that do, other than allowed them to pat themselves on the back for their smug self-righteousness?

As far as the men go, they should never touch a woman they don't know (other than a handshake). Don't even put a hand on a woman's back or shoulder during a picture. That's the best way to protect yourself from any sexual harassment claims later on. Republicans don't care about sexual harassment or sexual assault, but they know it outrages Democrats.

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Response to Lanius (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:24 PM

157. Same word I was going to use

I mean, C'mon man! Really!? Really!

This is not what I expect from Democratic party leaders! Come on and fight dammit!

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Response to Lanius (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:56 PM

211. Pence!

People made fun of him for saying he won't be alone at dinner etc with a woman unless his wife is there too. Maybe he was onto something! Always have a chaperone.
(I think he's as creepy and crooked as hell, but he came to mind when I read your second paragraph.)

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:56 PM

64. I just called Gillibrands office and told her secretary my feelings

She was very nice and took my pissed off message with good grace. Told her I thought her calling for his resignation was reprehensible and why was she not allowing the ethics office do their job?
Not sure it will do anything but I at least tried.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:24 PM

96. Good for you!

As I remarked in a previous thread about the call for Franken's resignation, I wonder if Gillibrand et al will welcome Roy Moore with open arms when he takes office, which I'm pretty sure will happen. I am becoming more and more disenchanted with Democratic MOC, which leaves me with this awful empty feeling there's no place for progressives to turn in today's political climate. Not quite ready to give up, but I too am so pissed off I can hardly find words to express my despair. Right now I'm going to e-mail Al Franken (once again) and tell him not to resign. Hope he listens!

Peace.

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Response to classof56 (Reply #96)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:15 PM

129. I just an email to Franken

Begging him not to resign.
He is one of the few sane voices in the senate and it would be tragic to lose him.

I smell this as a Roger Stone dirty tricks campaign.
He and his cohorts will not stop. Watch them come up with more complainants against other Dems.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:57 PM

65. Agreed

What he's done doesn't rise to real harassment. it doesn't fit the pattern. We're playing the Republican's game for them. It needs to stop!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:00 PM

66. These same Democratic senators will soon call...

Roy Moore "My esteemed colleague from Alabama." LUDICROUS!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:01 PM

67. When they go low, we go high.

And the American people get screwed.

While going high is admirable, in this case the medicine is particularly hard to swallow. We're in the midst of a war to save our democracy and our Constitution. We can't tell the difference or make a distinction between frigging Moore, Barton, Trump et al and Al Franken to save our country????

Instead of temporarily adopting the standard GOP guidelines for comportment (Principles will kill you; it's either them or it's us; nice guys/gals come in last; etc.) how about let's just surrender and be done with it.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:03 PM

69. Smells like party politics. PU.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #69)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:09 PM

75. Yes, am beginning to wonder what they've decided and why

but along the way they can lose us - because of their choices.

I don't agree with sacrificing Franken for some greater good.

It feels poorly considered and must have to do with the person or people they want to run in 2020.

Those people want Franken out of the way and they may be going after the female vote.

As in run a female again. Gillibrand thinks so

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:05 PM

71. I agree. n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:06 PM

72. I agree

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:08 PM

74. Meanwhile,,,,,,,,,

MSM has maybe a half second coverage of Doug Jones camping in AL in between dragging Franken out for his hourly flogging!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:10 PM

76. Franken pales into comparison to Moore.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:10 PM

77. Keep the GOP weapons loaded. That seems to be the goal for the democratic party.

Fight is not in their vocabulary. I've given up on them as a defender of the rights and needs of the majority of the American citizens. They are useless. I used to get frustrated when they only brought "knives to political gun fights". Now they bring the extra high capacity magazines for the guns the republicans are carrying. If Franken is to go it will (SHOULD) be the voters in MN that should decide. After all McConnell, Ryan and Trump have said that is the case for Roy Moore. And to all MN voters who fail to vote for Franken. Make sure when you are out buying bullets for the republicans weapons that they are the right caliber. Hint you can't go wrong if you by loud, useless, bigoted GOP specials. They work especially well in the deep the mud and BS.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:10 PM

78. Just called Franken and Kamala Harris

I'm in CA, so I called my wonderful senator, who's absolutely wrong for all the right reasons on this issue. I hope Al gets thousands of calls in support. He should not resign.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #78)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:12 PM

80. Thanks. I'm going to call her right now

She should know how we feel in California

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:11 PM

79. Never. Franken should never step down. This silly Democratic Party makes a purist argument

Last edited Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Never. Franken should never step down.

This silly Democratic Party makes a purist argument that says all who relate inappropriately to females -- without reference to contexts or males' admitted misjudgments -- should resign. Fuck women who don't know their male allies.

No way should a feminist like Franken resign. His conduct with hundreds, even thousands of women in his public office, and even in the comedy field, is supported by far more females than the few brought forward by Roger Stone and his O'Keeferans.

We Democrats call out and jail our criminals. But I'm one Dem who won't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We can win voters, and the presidency again, with that stance.

THINK, WOMEN. THINK! REALIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MALE ALLIES AND PREDATORS!

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Response to ancianita (Reply #79)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:07 PM

188. "Silly female Democratic party"??

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Response to whathehell (Reply #188)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:19 PM

193. Glad you caught that error. I meant "silly Democratic party." Yes. I'll edit. Thanks.

The whole party is not female.
Not all the female Democrats are silly.

But the ones calling for Franken's resignation without due process are.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #193)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:56 PM

200. Ok, good

.I agree that the party IS acting weak and silly...I'm a woman as well, and I just called Franken's office and urged him to hang tough, to stay and not resign...I said "The Republicans aren't resigning, why should you"?

The Dems are always caving...When will they grow a spine?






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Response to whathehell (Reply #200)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:59 PM

201. ...

They'll grow a spine when their leadership does. Or what the hell is a party leadership for.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #201)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:02 PM

203. Did Schumer call for his resignation too?

This just sucks...I hate it.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #203)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:05 PM

204. He didn't. He'd better encourage the 35 tossers to allow an ethics hearing to get answers.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #204)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:18 PM

207. That's good and yes, your suggestion is perfect

The Senators addressing the issue could have asily have given that in response to any questions on regarding resignation. I am depressed and I think we should all give these spineless Dems hell.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #79)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:17 PM

191. Seriously? This is really the post you want to put up?

"This silly female Democratic Party?"

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Response to StevieM (Reply #191)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:21 PM

194. No. Sorry. I've been beyond upset all day, and just blurt-typed. I made a correction.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:12 PM

81. IMO dems often have a track record of F'ing things up to the advantage of the GOP.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:13 PM

82. Next time the Republicans will be smarter and target a Dem, with an R governor.

So that they (may, depending on the state's rules) replace a D with an R. Of course that all depends on whether the state requires the replacement to be of the same party as the one who quits.

I know whoever Dayton appoints would probably be fine, but how soon would they be seated? Before or after the final tax vote? And of course, they would likely not be the attack dog that Franken is, or at least not right away. (I personally hope he appoints Ellison in the event of a resignation).

Still, nothing that Franken is alleged to have done (but the evidence is paper-think at best) compares at all to Conyers or Farenthold (who seems to be staying put, the utter pig) and certainly not to Moore or Trump himself.


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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:15 PM

84. He knows if he did it or not

And if he did he needs to go. To act like you all know 100% for sure what's going on makes you all sound as silly as republicans. Hit job or not...
I have gone almost 40 years without harassing a woman and expect the same from every American politician. And to whine about how he can't be replaced makes the party sound kinda desperate.

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Response to askyagerz (Reply #84)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:34 PM

209. How about you act like you know the difference between inappropriate behavior and sexual predation.

Don't think good senators are as replaceable as car parts. They're not.

There's no "if he did" until there is an ethics hearing. You don't even mention that.

The fact that your 40 years of perfect behavior hasn't translated into your being an examplary model of a political leader might mean that you don't have many other important qualifications which I expect from every American politician.

You can stop holding up the perfect as the enemy of the good. Like now.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #209)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:06 PM

213. Surely the man knows if he did it or not

Without needing a ethics investigation on himself. And yes I expect my senators to be better people then me and I'm not even that great of person so if they can't pass that test they can go. And again to say he can't be replaced makes this party sound desperate. It's about the message not the messenger

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:15 PM

85. If he's guilty he needs to resign.

The investigation needs to finish first. He denies the allegations and I think we should withhold judgement for now.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:16 PM

86. Republicans are scared of Franken, and that's why they've targeted him . . .

For this most blatant of political assassinations.

Unfortunately, Dems are more afraid of the Republicans, and so are going to let them get away with it.

This is how we continue to lose, even when Democratic values predominant among voters.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:16 PM

87. What I HOPE is going on is that the Dem senators

are making statements for public consumption ("See? WE don't tolerate sexual misconduct of any kind, unlike those child-molesting, pussy-grabbing Republicans! We're so virtuous that we'd happily throw out one of our most effective members just to show the world how totally virtuous we are!) and that once that is done, Franken will announce that he will not resign unless the ethics investigation supports the claims of the accusers. And the other Dems, having established their virtue, will accept the outcome of the ethics investigation if it substantially exonerates him.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #87)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:19 PM

89. Do you think he can withstand all the pressure?

They've really pushed him out at this point. Mostly to further their own careers I bet.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #89)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:20 PM

91. Yes, I think he can.

I think he probably understands that a lot of this virtuous gum-flapping is for public consumption.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:21 PM

92. If Franken is forced out, the Democrats really are committing suicide

They're giving the Republicans even more power on a silver platter

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #92)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:29 PM

163. I've said it before

I guess it's time to say it again. It seems to me sometimes they (both parties) are in some kind of game to keep fucking with us and keep some club together. I can see no other explanation for this type of thing happening.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #163)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:31 AM

237. Sadly I often feel the same

and it makes the two parties are the same meme sting.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:21 PM

93. What's the point of an ethics investigation if they force Franken out?

Sounds like even if he is cleared, the decision has already been made.

I'm disgusted at how quick Dems are to turn on their own.

This is just insanity.

So what, if the investigation exonerates Franken but he stepped down...what was the point?

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #93)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:36 PM

210. If the investigation finds him only deserving of censure, he can stay. And he should.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:23 PM

94. The Circular Firing Squad

Amazing how well choreographed this is...

The timing of all this is so suspect, but no one can come out and question the sincerity of the accusers as that would be an intolerable offense in and of itself.

Note how the accusations seem to just slide off of the elder Bush and won’t adhere to Moore or Trump. Where are Franken’s ardent defenders? Where are Conyer’s?

The Democrats own leadership call for resignations to demonstrate our comparative moral purity.

We have formed the circular firing squad.

Listo! Apunte! Fuego!



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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:24 PM

95. Totally agree!!! nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:24 PM

97. No kidding

I'm not excusing Franken if he did those things but let the system play out. Investigate it. What he's accused of doesn't even rise to the level of Roy Moore.

The timing of this is bone headed as it gets. So let's assure the GOP tax cuts go through. Limousine liberals like Gillibrand and Tom Perez won't be hurt by them.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:25 PM

99. Not now!

Don't do it, Franken.
Tweeden was part of the comedy skit, and she wasn't even asleep in that comedy pictrure, according to the photographer.
Another woman claimas, years later, that Franken touched her butt while her husband was taking their picture! Not credible.
Staff from SNL and from his Senate office have all come out in his defense whereas his accusers are anonymous.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:25 PM

100. Its rat-fuck politics!

The party is willing to sacrifice Al despite his accomplishments, because how can they claim the moral high ground should Pedophile Roy Moore get elected. It is an idiotic move because the Republican senate will not exclude more. They will embrace him like a newborn babe despite him being covered in child molesting scandal. They just don't " want "A Nancy Pelosi/ Chuck Schumer" automaton (Their words not mine). So we throw one the top Dems to the lions in hope Repubs will do likewise. Good Luck with that!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:25 PM

101. No shit.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:26 PM

102. Agree totally

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:27 PM

103. Agree 100%. When do the repubs start getting nailed? (nt)

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:28 PM

104. Democratic Battle Cry:

RUNAWAY! RUNAWAY!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:30 PM

105. agreed.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:30 PM

106. WMDs in Iraq, Obama eats arugula, the IRS is after conservatives, Al Gore said, "I invented the ...

.... internet.", Hillary did nothing to save those people in Benghazi, John Kerry was not
a war hero, Ohio 2004 was clean, and on and on.

This is a right wing hit job. see this "“It’s my right as an entertainer.” please


Another woman says Franken tried to forcibly kiss her

Source: Politico

A former Democratic congressional aide said Al Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after a taping of his radio show in 2006, three years before he became a U.S. senator.

The aide, whose name POLITICO is withholding to protect her identity, said Franken (D-Minn.) pursued her after her boss had left the studio. She said she was gathering her belongings to follow her boss out of the room. When she turned around, Franken was in her face.

The former staffer ducked to avoid Franken’s lips. As she hastily left the room, she said, Franken told her: “It’s my right as an entertainer.”

“He was between me and the door and he was coming at me to kiss me. It was very quick and I think my brain had to work really hard to be like ‘Wait, what is happening?’ But I knew whatever was happening was not right and I ducked,” the aide said in an interview. “I was really startled by it and I just sort of booked it towards the door and he said, ‘It’s my right as an entertainer.’”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/al-franken-accusation-sexual-harassment-2006-281049

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Response to Botany (Reply #106)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:31 PM

107. Yep.

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Response to Botany (Reply #106)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:55 PM

145. Bullshit!

Time for the men to stand up and force the facts to come out!

Al loves Frannie and would never do this.

If I am wrong, then he must go, BUT, prove these events happened.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:33 PM

108. Sue Them

If Al Franken wants to turn this around he needs to sue the accusers. Nothing will change the dialog faster than a lawsuit where the accusers have to show up in court with proof.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:34 PM

109. If he is forced out without doing anything wrong we are too weak to survive this.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:36 PM

111. This will not add one vote for the Dems.

These accusations are payback for Franken’s aggressive interrogation of Sessions. That and trying to diminish the accusations against Roy Moore. The timing is no coincidence. Unless there are more damaging accusations we don’t know about I hope he waits out the ethics investigation.

In the meantime I’ve lost tremendous respect for several members of the Senate who seem to have buckled to Republicans’ pressure.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:38 PM

114. Democratic women will be next to be accused.n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:39 PM

115. Didn't this party learn its lesson about purity politics in the 2016 presidential election?

Christ on a crutch.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:39 PM

116. My biggest issue with this....

...is that once again Dems fall all over themselves to do the right thing, and then they actually, naively (or maybe stupidly) expect that it somehow inoculates them against Republican criticism, or even more naively (or stupidly) think that it means that Republicans will actually be forced to hold themselves to the same standard.


It's not going to happen. Republicans have no shame. Republicans don't care how hypocritical they seem. They don't care about doing the right thing. Democrats will not get any credit for doing anything.

And you can throw in the useless DC beltway media as well to all of this.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #116)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:06 PM

153. Worse than that. It's not just naively

expecting to get credit for taking the moral high ground, it's naively expecting it will win votes. It won't. In fact, it'll probably lead to more I's, Green Party and Working Family Party members.

Maybe it's time to finally examine my own loyalty to the Democratic Party. Doesn't make much sense to keep riding a horse that doesn't seem to have the moxie to actually win this war. I am increasingly disappointed in the leaders of this party.

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Response to KPN (Reply #153)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:46 PM

169. I just don't know what to do any more...

I'm in the same boat. It feels like a 35 year one sided, dysfunctional relationship.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #169)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:38 PM

185. It is!

Where were all the high minded leaders when our economy, its structure, its jobs, the wage scale, benefits got pillaged over the past 35 years?!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:41 PM

117. I sent a message to the party


my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

I told them that Republicans would love to see me dead and that they’d gladly help the GOP pull the trigger by trying to force Franken from office.

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #117)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:02 PM

150. Thanks for that, what is the best way to get through?

I'm trying all the emails and numbers

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:44 PM

118. Absolutely! This is a right wing hit job for pecadillos. I've

Done civil rights, sex harassment 30 years. They aren't even letting him have an investigation!!!

If they put half as much energy into fighting this tax bill, maybe they could stop it. Many of those women, I have raised money for in close races. This is what they bring to the Senate. We should call them! Call him and encourage him to hang on.

If after a complee and full investigation, he is truly guilty of something non trivial, kick his butt out. Holy moly, we are eating our own, and the Repubs are lauging all of the way to the bank.

Hell, get Ronan Farrow on it. Someone ivestigate this, and sliw down. It's a lynch mob.

Another false equivalency!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:44 PM

119. Should Franken resign, I hope no one is under the illusion that this will stop.

The Repigs have found that this works, so they will keep doing it and doing it and doing it.

Foolish move if this happens.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:47 PM

121. When we quit letting even our own part

Shit all over us?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:55 PM

123. So Franken will resign and Moore/Trump not only go nowhere...

Last edited Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:43 AM - Edit history (1)

.... but actually profit from what they did, since their worthless, shithole supporters just shriek they're "being picked on," "all those women are lying," but oh, of course, Al Franken is a serial rapist who must resign.

They're being allowed to frame the narrative. If Franken isn't gutsy enough to stick it out and fight them I question whether he was fit to square off against the GOP in the first place.

If this happens, it will only be the first time. The GOP will learn they can use this tactic to destroy anyone who gets in their way, while steadfastly protecting their own 100% of the time. They honestly insist that Moore and Trump not admitting what they did clears them and proves them 100%.

As if every single criminal defendant who files a plea of "Not Guilty" is automatically exonerated and should just be immediately released.

I expect nauseating, hypocritical, loathsome assholery of the lowest order from the GOP. That's the kind of walking shit they are.

What I also expect is for Democrats to stand up to this walking shit and not obediently be manipulated into falling on their swords, when there is not a single Republican out there EVER who would do the same; they'll just whine and lie and deny it and sob how mean everyone is being to them.

If they aren't going to exhibit one shred of decency and integrity and use that of our guys to hang them, we're screwed.

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Response to mreilly (Reply #123)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:19 PM

215. This

I agree with you 100%

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:08 PM

127. Vile republicans thrive on this crap

They brazen it out.
They call accusers LIARS.
No matter if 16 or 100 accuse them.
We cave.
We "do the right thing" and sit warmly on our moral superority
and LOSE
and LOSE again
The rapists and child molesters make the bills that
destroy our lives and KILL our family members.

great plan.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:15 PM

128. Agree+10000

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:16 PM

130. AGREE !!

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, somebody knows something 'we' don;t know and there really is an issue.
BUT, as of now I do NOT believe it.

And what the fuck is my senator GILLI doing saying Al should quit.. ???
Does SHE know something?? Hummm....
I seriously doubt it...


I think it is a hit job.
And until that is proven otherwise...

AL- stay right where you are..

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:16 PM

132. Dear Senator Franken

https://www.franken.senate.gov/?p=contact&success=true

We need you. Stand firm.

PLEASE!!!! DO NOT RESIGN!!! Your intelligence and integrity are needed now in these terrible times. Don't make Elizabeth and Bernie stand up alone for Americans without your voice and vision.

It's the height of folly for any Democrat to suggest that you resign. I doubt the allegations against you are true. You doubt them yourself, don't you. Even if they were true, your apology is sufficient to put the matter behind you. We have a pussy grabber in the White House and it appears we're about to have a pedophile from Alabama in the Senate. Your alleged actions are nothing next to those.

If not you, who will stand up to the terrible Republicans who gerrymandered and cheated their way into power? You are America's greatest hope for surviving the horror that is US politics nowadays.

If you and all the Democrats don't stand up to the Republicans many will die. Yes. Die. When they demolish the safety net.

What do you think of the rumor that tRump is considering private security police? Think he won't try it? Think it's bad now? It could get way worse.

Please re-read Kipling's poem "If."
http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_if.htm

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:20 PM

134. I sent an email

and begged him not to resign.

https://www.franken.senate.gov/?p=email_al

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #134)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:02 PM

151. Excellent. We need to flood him with support emails

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #151)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:17 PM

154. I also responded to the 24 stupid tweets.

It is absolutely ridiculous to call for his resignation prior to an Ethics investigation. Anonymous accusations should not override the will of the voters. The fact that they are not calling for Trump's resignation and Moore to withdraw in the same breath is infuriating!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #134)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:08 PM

172. Thanks. I just did too. n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:22 PM

136. Merry Fucking Christmas Present, GOP, tied with a limp Democrat bow...

Stay in Congress, Al.
Let the ethics committee do their job.
Then we shall see.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:28 PM

137. +1∅000000000000000

 

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:30 PM

138. I agree. This is a hit job and we're failing

no one cares if we take the high road.. Republicans will stay in power. No, Al should not resign.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:40 PM

139. Just went to Franken's website

franken.senate.gov. Sent him a note asking him to stay in spite of the whine we are hearing. He is the only out-of-state Democratic candidate I have ever given donations (other than presidential candidates).

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #139)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:18 PM

155. Did you put in your name and address?

I thought I'd have to be a Minn voter.

Maybe I'll just do it anyway as a CA voter

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #155)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:06 PM

159. I'm a CA voter

and I used my CA address. This is a national, not a state issue. We all need him in the senate

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #155)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:14 AM

224. Late nite response. Emailed him this afternoon, included my address (not a MN resident),

got a thank you acknowledgment.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:41 PM

140. AGREE!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:41 PM

141. I know! This is fucking scary!

I have this horrible sinking feeling in my stomach ...

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:43 PM

142. +1

If anything, Franken should have been dangled as part of a deal...

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:44 PM

143. It would not encourage any Republicans to resign. Just the opposite. . . nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:48 PM

144. I agree

He's being railroaded. Fuck Kristen Gillibrand.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:58 PM

148. I just posted a please do not resign post on his fb page

Tried to send a message through his official senate office site and got an oops, couldn't find the page response
after I clicked send.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:59 PM

149. Agree. They let the Repubs destroy ACORN, steal the election in 2000 and

2004, destroy Planned Parenthood, and now are most progressive Senator. If Franken quits, I'm done with the DNC.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #149)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:14 PM

190. They stole the 2016 election too, through the Republican-controlled FBI. (eom)

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:04 PM

158. If Dems do this, we are toast.

The party will have abdicated and Russia and the RW Christo-fascists, rapists, child molesters and orange assface win. As long as I'm here, I will continue to vote for the Dems, but I will do my best to get my family to agree to move to Portugal. This country will be over because all power will have been ceded to the enemies of democracy.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:07 PM

160. agree. i am so mad about this!! n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:12 PM

161. Yep

head shake

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:36 PM

165. I hope Franken comes out and say he'll step down

right after Trump and Moore do.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:43 PM

166. Not so fast. Here's a message from Al Franken

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Response to ffr (Reply #166)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:45 PM

167. This is why we have to call Franken here: (202) 224-5641

(202) 224-5641

Call this number, Franken's Washington office and leave your message of support.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #167)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:48 PM

170. Already done

I think he should announce that he'll wait until the ethics investigation is over. That investigation will produce no good evidence he did anything wrong.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:46 PM

168. Zero tolerance

and... the punishment should fit the crime. Resignation is not called for for these offenses for someone who has admitted and apologized.


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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:01 PM

171. 100% agreement. I'm glad it happened now

Rather than later in the process however. I feel bad for Franken, he's a favorite, but he lost the handle on the story immediately. All this was, a takedown of a possible candidate, and the pitbull who's been nipping at the heels, and it was easy. Easy peasy.

K

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #171)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:18 PM

175. You mean 2020, I suspect as much as well

Especially with Gillibrand leading the way and Harris closely following.

Problem is neither are terribly talented

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:16 PM

174. I am reminded of Yeats

The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

Dems are so spineless.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:19 PM

176. we want trumps head for this!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #176)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:21 PM

177. But 127 dems did not vote for that!



127 dems would not vote for impeachment today

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:46 PM

179. I respectfully disagree

First, that belittles the significance of coming forth as a victim of sexual misconduct. That is no easy admission. I am a victim of child molestation and admitting that in public is not easy or without it’s own costs, both emotionally and physically.

We can get past this and still be successful. As we saw in the off-year elections a month ago: there are intelligent, committed and well-spoken people out there willing to step up and serve their their community and their country.
This may be the end of one tale but the beginning of so many more.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #179)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:07 PM

189. You don't know the facts, do you?

There are TWO public accusations: One by the altrightwingnut, who had allegations that he disagreed with and which the photo did not support. He admitted to conducting a practice session with her of a comedy sketch where they had to kiss. Come on, now. That's a stretch.

The second was someone who says in 2006 he tried to kiss her, when he was a DJ on some show..saying that "it was his right as an entertainer" to kiss her. She was able to avoid the kiss & left. HE HAS STRONGLY DENIED THIS HAPPENED, and said that her saying he said that about it being his right is preposterous.

Not really in the same league of what we normally see in public accusers of sexual harassment or molestation or abuse of power. These were two specious things.

I'm inclined to believe all women who PUBLICLY claim molestation. These two incidents are hard to believe. They sound contrived.

Is that all that is required? An allegation of "he tried to kiss me once," and we demand he resign from the Senate? Is that all that is required? There was no abuse of power...he wasn't in a power position. He denies both instances of what they claim. He has NO history of this. An entire group of women he worked with for years have signed a letter verifying his respectful treatment of them.

So...is this all that's required? We don't even wait to catch a breath? No investigation?

This is like a shark frenzy. An overreaction to any claim by anyone, even anonymously. But only on the Democratic Party side. There are no calls for Trump to resign, despite public accusations of I think almost 20 women. Sen. Schumer has called for Franken to resign, but has never called for Trump to resign. Odd, don't you think? Why is that?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #189)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:51 PM

222. Eight women. nt

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #222)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 05:42 AM

238. One of them says he squeezed her side too hard during a picture oneis a birther. It could be ...

.. 80 women if this is the type of shit that's being claimed its not worthy of losing a job

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #238)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:37 AM

245. Yes. At HER request, he gets in close to take a pic, and puts hand on her WAIST & grabs too hard.

She actually said "I don't let my HUSBAND touch me that way!" and called it groping. OMG!

This is a setup. Something's up. A group of women have banded to together against him for some reason, w/o evidence.

Either that, or it's a shark frenzy. Which means these women are incapable of behaving like adults in the midst of a crowd of kids.

This matters. This railroading. This coordinated effort to oust an elected official based on allegations (mild ones) by anonymous people.

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #222)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:19 AM

243. Really? Name them. And don't incl. the one that says he put his arm around her waist - groping.

Seriously. He put his arm on her waist to get close to take a pic...at HER request...that's right. He put his hand on her waist...and she calls that groping. But hey...she got her pic in the paper, right? That's what matters.

As I said, you don't know the facts.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:50 PM

180. Its so obvious that its GOP sabotage.

I could puke that anyone who believes this false equivalence to longstanding patterns of sexual assaults on minors by Moore and Dump.

I could scream that anyone is letting themselves be distracted, let alone Democrats demanding Franken’s resignation, all started by this backstabbing assault begun by a reich-wing soft-porn entertainment personality, years after the supposed incident, in which she acted out improprieties with performers on stage.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:15 PM

184. I agree!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:43 PM

186. So obviously a hit job for taking on Sessions.

Hit job and Dems going along. Will we ever learn? This is how they roll and win.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:57 PM

187. This is out of hand. All is lost. nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:19 PM

192. Yeah, I agree. Very sadly, but I agree.

About these calls from Democrats for Franken to resign:

Some might say the word 'stupid?'

Others might say 'short sighted?'

Oh, and did you know that millennials overwhelmingly favor a third party. The Democrats will have to earn their votes and their commitment. Not to mention that:

Independent voters = 42%
Democrats = 29%
Republicans = 22%

So...what is the party doing to capture those 42% of independents? Demanding that Franken resign while staying silent on Roy Moore and Trump isn't gonna do it. And the millennials, 80 million strong, voting age? They are savvy and cynical, and they quite know bullshit when they see it. And this is it.

Force Franken to resign before the investigation is done, and the Democratic party will lose all momentum going into an election they should sweep.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #192)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:24 PM

195. Yes, it shows lack of strategy and unity. They think it will get the female vote

You might say they're pandering to it.

I'd like to hear a solid explanation and so far the spokespeople seem to think it's the obvious thing to do.

NO IT IS NOT

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #195)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:08 AM

248. They sure as shit won't get this female's vote.

And IDGAF if this gets me banned from this site. This is outrageous.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:28 PM

196. If Franken resigns expect sexual harassment allegations to be the new ratfucking tactic.

Republicans know their candidates can get away with bad behavior because their voters don't care. Trump proved this as does the fact that Moore might win his race which will be close even if he loses. Democrats are held to a higher standard and the GOP knows that a lot of Democratic voters are fair weather and might stay home if they smear a Democratic candidate enough.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:11 PM

219. I agree, and then I become an Independent.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:40 PM

221. I agree

And the democratic senator of my state Tammy Baldwin is leading the ouster, I am so ashamed, we are DOOMED!

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Response to Soxderrube (Reply #221)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:07 AM

223. Same with my senator - Kirsten Gillibrand.

I always liked her a great deal - she used to be my congresswoman.

Welcome to DU, Soxderrube! We're glad to have you with us!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:34 AM

226. It's a horrible thing to oust someone on hearsay. He should keep his seat. Let MN decide.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:37 AM

227. If Al stays in, he'll be hit with this issue until 2020

Norm Coleman was on some righty show the other day making noise like he might run again - remember Al had a lengthy recount against Coleman in 2008. So there's that. I'd also remind everyone that Al had issues with feminists during his '08 run over a piece he had written for Playboy.

If Al & Conyers had stayed, the Dems would be open to charges of hypocrisy over Moore, the Access Hollywood recording, etc.

I think if he rode it out, he'd survive 2020, but they also know if Conyers and Franken leave, the treatment of women by GOPers like Moore will become a sharp stick in their hind quarters in 2018 -- assuming that we, in fact, have free and fair elections next year. The Dems can rightly claim to have done their own house cleaning.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #227)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:17 AM

230. I don't think they'll gain much with that sharp stick, repugs don't care and independents aren't PC

A very bad decision - Al could survive once the media attention moves elsewhere and the claims are proven to be baseless and / or not provable

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #227)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:52 AM

231. in fact, have free and fair elections next year.

What have you seen that's given you HOPE that we will have fair elections in 2018?

I've seen not a lot.

Yes, Dems did well in Virginia. They have a Dem governor. And next year, they'll be going to paper ballots and a Dem Gov./Lt. Dem Gov. will be replacing the departing ones. Yes, that's a wonderful improvement and a great victory in Virginia. In NC, there is a Dem governor in place, and a Jim Crow era voter-suppression law died as the Supreme Court would not hear N.C.vs N.C. NAACP ..... case earlier this year. But, did that Jim Crow really die? Chief Justice Roberts wrote a brief opinion strongly implying that laws like this one could survive review, and it'll be before a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, and I don't trust Goursuch as far as I can throw a semi-truck. It's a wait and see concerning NC down the road. As for Texas , courts had ruled that there were voting districts which were drawn in a racist way that hurt a certain part of the population (We know which part of the population those laws hurt) which had to be redrawn by 2018's mid-terms. However, thuglican Gov. Abbot signed a law which once AGAIN will make it difficult for "certain parts of the population" to vote. Those rulings in Texas are so back and fourth/up and down that it's difficult to keep up. Suffice it to say however, that Texas won't be going Dem anytime soon if thuglicans have anything to do with it, and if voter ID laws are strictly enforced like they will be. The current Abbot regime of course doesn't believes in fair voting rights in Texas, because if they did they'd see to it that minorities, the poor, the elderly (Who may not have birth certificates to get ID's) had access to the voter ID's that you need in order to vote there.

Also, there's a huge ruling coming from a right-winged Supreme Court which will more than likely give Wisconsin thuglicans the go ahead to resume their gerrymandering ways, which will take Wisconsin OUT of Dem's hands for the unforeseeable future. Chalk Wisconsin up for thuglicans.

Now, we know that thuglicans WILL continue on with Citizens United. Voter-crosschecking & Voter Id'ing, ANY form of voter-suppression that they can come up with "off the chain" in 2018 to stop Dems votes from counting and to stop them from voting period. We know that our voting machines can be comprised/hacked. That they malfunction. Are not maintained thanks to tRumputin getting rid of laws maintaining them. We also know that the ruskies will continue helping thuglicans and spreading the seeds of discord into our elections. In what way this next time, who knows? I've seen NO upside to moral purity at this time, especially since thuglicans control the collection of votes and of tallying of them. Do you really trust them to count all Dem votes fairly or at ALL? Do you trust tRump, Kris Kobach, Bannon, Roger Stone and that cabal of cheating thugs to be fair to Dems? Do you think thuglicans want to give up all that power to pass tax cuts and get rid of Social Security and Medicare?

Dems can do all the moral high-grounding they want to which they think will get them the Senate, House and Presidency. But, with thuglicans firmly in place and putting their WHOLE bodies on the voting scales, I know whose clock will be getting cleaned by whom in 2018 and 2020. That's if we have elections in 2020. My friend laughs at me when I say that to him, but when I ask him if he ever though that the ruskies would be interfering into our elections to the point of helping tRumputin earn his illegitimate presidential win over Hillary Clinton, he stops laughing. I'll be going Independent in January 2018. I'm tired of watching Dems play Charlie Brown to thuglicans Lucy.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #231)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:53 AM

251. Election cheating is where the dems should be aiming their fire not as one of their best Senators

I cross my fingers that Mueller can help us - that's where my hope is - and I think election reform should be a number 1 priority

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:57 AM

229. Kick.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:23 AM

235. Agree nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:24 AM

236. Trump and cronies will be blasting out that Franken would not have resigned if he wasnt guilty

Over and over and over again.

Then they’ll say that they and their buddies NOT resigning shows they aren’t guilty.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:26 AM

240. We need to rebuild

…the party from the ground up.

It seems unable to stand up straight any more.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 08:48 AM

241. Dems are playing long ball

Well at least the gov - Dayton - is a Dem and will appoint a Dem that votes our way. With Franken and Conyers out, the Dems will be able to hit the repubs hard on their family values crap with trump in the White House and Roy Moore in the Senate.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:42 AM

246. Totally agree. Hope he doesn't resign. Those supporting his resignation are despicable.

Those as in the other Dem Senators.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:58 AM

247. This is so true

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:32 AM

249. Totally agree!

It's infuriating that the Democrats constantly fall for republican dirty tricks and hypocritical finger pointing without any kind of pushback or even a full investigation of the facts. I'm all for taking the high road but not when it's based on unproven (or possibly false or over exaggerated) allegations.

I'm so sick of republicans letting their own get away with the most horrendous crimes and misbehavior just to stay in power, while the Democrats cave immediately—even before they know for sure exactly what happened.

I emailed Senator Franken's office and encouraged him to stay in the Senate, where he is desperately needed as a strong, intelligent, and articulate voice for us. He should not be pushed out without getting all the facts. Nobody should be pushed out over anonymous, unverified accusations. If he's willing to be investigated, they need to do it and shut up about him resigning! Yes, I'm pissed!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:33 AM

252. Dems call on Mueller to resign.

That's next, right? He's also being smeared by the right wing.

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