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flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:57 PM Dec 2017

If Franken is forced out the Democrats are stupid and it's hopeless

Stupid, stupid people. Why not just let the Trumpsters and the rest of the nasty GOP shoot you in the heads.

Trump and Moore were real offenders and you cannot tell the difference and want to throw one of our BEST senators out NOW when were're up against the ropes?

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If Franken is forced out the Democrats are stupid and it's hopeless (Original Post) flamingdem Dec 2017 OP
I agree. ret5hd Dec 2017 #1
There is certainly a "plan" to all of this.... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #2
By the Democrats? flamingdem Dec 2017 #6
No - there is some sort of targeting going on by the "other side" NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #12
I agree, anything anonymous should be suspect flamingdem Dec 2017 #15
we are going to need new analogies - we bring silly putty to a nuke fight? NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #19
THIS .... "we bring silly putty"!!! KPN Dec 2017 #70
Careful! Plucketeer Dec 2017 #113
Dear Mods Plucketeer Dec 2017 #253
There are 6 including Tweendan? I thought she was one and the other girl was 2 and then 2 anonymous Maraya1969 Dec 2017 #234
heresay and 'popular' outrage generated mainly by 300 POS on 1500 radio stations certainot Dec 2017 #178
Like the election plan? lame54 Dec 2017 #199
Its pretty simple. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #3
Bernie said he should step down. bettyellen Dec 2017 #205
My post was made several hours before that. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #216
So what do you have to say now? bettyellen Dec 2017 #217
ANYONE who has called for Franken to resign has lost my support. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #218
I am soo pissed and hope there is something we don't know. bettyellen Dec 2017 #225
That is one of my biggest fears in all of this Egnever Dec 2017 #232
Yeah, the fact that none of this has to do with workplace stuff is maddening. bettyellen Dec 2017 #242
We will get a good replacement out of cilla4progress Dec 2017 #4
Disagree MFM008 Dec 2017 #7
Exactly flamingdem Dec 2017 #9
I foresee religious right demogogery against a Senator Ellison. Marcuse Dec 2017 #28
Bingo! ollie10 Dec 2017 #68
Franken is one of best attackers of the GOP flamingdem Dec 2017 #8
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #10
Yep. Been going on forever. Never standing their ground. Tired of the notdarkyet Dec 2017 #32
It's just a reminder that these people don't have a moral or ethical backbone in their body kcr Dec 2017 #37
yep! rainy Dec 2017 #202
Yep. It's so depressing. No one has our backs. No one. nt Nay Dec 2017 #244
It sure isn't zentrum Dec 2017 #133
And above all..... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #214
His authority and ability to critique Codeine Dec 2017 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Cattledog Dec 2017 #16
So, we give in on the eternal game of chicken Bettie Dec 2017 #58
Honestly why bother voting...just keep making Democrats resign nadine_mn Dec 2017 #88
I was feeling hopeful with the Mueller indictments Bettie Dec 2017 #98
It's just getting to be too heartbreaking. We get our hopes up only to have them shattered again. smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #181
And, once that happens... regnaD kciN Dec 2017 #59
Yeah let's have Repubs dictate what we do SHRED Dec 2017 #83
Franken's answer Bibluca Dec 2017 #125
Works for me. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #135
Agreed! bettyellen Dec 2017 #206
That works for me also Bibluca, Welcome to DU Old Vet Dec 2017 #250
Yep, lets all just roll over and take it ONE more time...when does it end? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #152
so glad you are in the minority questionseverything Dec 2017 #164
What? This rape, assault, incest, harassment survivor does not agree. 58Sunliner Dec 2017 #183
Absolutely correct. nt spotthebird Dec 2017 #197
There is no "pride" later after having joined a lynch mob WyLoochka Dec 2017 #228
We will never ever win a war on 3 fronts GusBob Dec 2017 #5
+1000000000000000000 notdarkyet Dec 2017 #36
well said Cosmocat Dec 2017 #47
here's an idea: tomp Dec 2017 #212
This will end cilla4progress Dec 2017 #11
No. There are very, very few as talented as Franken flamingdem Dec 2017 #17
JFC he's one person. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #13
The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #23
"The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim." WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #25
I do bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #27
If you think he's the only one who could do the job, I'm pretty sure I can't convince you otherwise. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #31
You didn't offer up any names. bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #34
I know. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #42
there are plenty of people that could "do the job" NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #44
I'm more puzzled by dems who want him to resign without an inquiry. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #56
'optics' scipan Dec 2017 #162
But really all it did was make them look weak again. Egnever Dec 2017 #233
There are a few hundred democrats/progressives already in congress Cosmocat Dec 2017 #239
This . +10000000000000000000 notdarkyet Dec 2017 #40
Franken is the one who asked Sessions the question that got him recused More_Cowbell Dec 2017 #62
The GOP is playing to win Adrahil Dec 2017 #122
This OkieLib41 Dec 2017 #131
Yep, what is really going on? spotthebird Dec 2017 #198
Good week for Bannon... lame54 Dec 2017 #14
Exactly flamingdem Dec 2017 #18
That filthy, scabrous, seditious piece of shit annabanana Dec 2017 #48
Sam Seder too HootieMcBoob Dec 2017 #55
And there were people here cheering it on. n/t Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #126
THIS orangecrush Dec 2017 #90
Agree.. HipChick Dec 2017 #20
Agree grantcart Dec 2017 #21
No one sets up a circular firing squad as well as the Democratic Party. mac56 Dec 2017 #22
Jesus Christ on a Crutch - it isn't enough that the Rethugs regularly COLGATE4 Dec 2017 #156
This! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #182
At the rate things are going now Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #24
True! And if you don't have a skeleton the repugs will invent one flamingdem Dec 2017 #29
That's the way the Screw World Order is. HughBeaumont Dec 2017 #54
Even if you've never done anything wrong Bettie Dec 2017 #63
Yep. If we Dems knuckle under AGAIN, this time about Al Franken, Greybnk48 Dec 2017 #26
Remember when the Russian trolls were pushing riverwalker Dec 2017 #30
Democrats walking right into a trap set by repukes standingtall Dec 2017 #33
I agree elfin Dec 2017 #35
I am sick of this bhusar Dec 2017 #38
Make lemonade out of a lemon! yallerdawg Dec 2017 #39
YES! THAT GUY! ancianita Dec 2017 #208
Everybody who stands against the Trump cabal is a target. Turbineguy Dec 2017 #41
Attempts were made to paint Schiff as gay flamingdem Dec 2017 #49
Inuendo is enough. Turbineguy Dec 2017 #124
Is there something wrong about being gay? rusty fender Dec 2017 #146
Point they were trying to make is that he's married and secretly flamingdem Dec 2017 #147
Ok, context is everything rusty fender Dec 2017 #173
As a party, one of the Democrats' great strengths... Orrex Dec 2017 #43
The only resignation they should be calling for Mr.Bill Dec 2017 #45
The only way to fend off this shit is to elect women tapermaker Dec 2017 #46
At this point they're a lot of gain in saying he grabbed my whatever flamingdem Dec 2017 #51
This may not be a popular opinion. liberal_patriot_md Dec 2017 #220
Also possibly zero chance to impeach DT. BadgerKid Dec 2017 #50
There was never any chance to impeach Trump. Codeine Dec 2017 #112
Can't believe this is happening! DemKittyNC Dec 2017 #52
Fuck the Dems tapermaker Dec 2017 #57
Sure as shit they'll vote in a republican in that seat. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #53
Who needs enemies . . . peggysue2 Dec 2017 #60
Who needs enemies alwaysinasnit Dec 2017 #120
This is getting ridiculous Lanius Dec 2017 #61
Same word I was going to use roscoeroscoe Dec 2017 #157
Pence! catchnrelease Dec 2017 #211
I just called Gillibrands office and told her secretary my feelings dhol82 Dec 2017 #64
Good for you! classof56 Dec 2017 #96
I just an email to Franken dhol82 Dec 2017 #129
Agreed wryter2000 Dec 2017 #65
These same Democratic senators will soon call... dchill Dec 2017 #66
When they go low, we go high. KPN Dec 2017 #67
Smells like party politics. PU. BootinUp Dec 2017 #69
Yes, am beginning to wonder what they've decided and why flamingdem Dec 2017 #75
I agree. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #71
I agree Jeroen Dec 2017 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Dec 2017 #73
Meanwhile,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Dec 2017 #74
Franken pales into comparison to Moore. cstanleytech Dec 2017 #76
Keep the GOP weapons loaded. That seems to be the goal for the democratic party. usaf-vet Dec 2017 #77
Just called Franken and Kamala Harris wryter2000 Dec 2017 #78
Thanks. I'm going to call her right now flamingdem Dec 2017 #80
Never. Franken should never step down. This silly Democratic Party makes a purist argument ancianita Dec 2017 #79
"Silly female Democratic party"?? whathehell Dec 2017 #188
Glad you caught that error. I meant "silly Democratic party." Yes. I'll edit. Thanks. ancianita Dec 2017 #193
Ok, good whathehell Dec 2017 #200
... ancianita Dec 2017 #201
Did Schumer call for his resignation too? whathehell Dec 2017 #203
He didn't. He'd better encourage the 35 tossers to allow an ethics hearing to get answers. ancianita Dec 2017 #204
That's good and yes, your suggestion is perfect whathehell Dec 2017 #207
Seriously? This is really the post you want to put up? StevieM Dec 2017 #191
No. Sorry. I've been beyond upset all day, and just blurt-typed. I made a correction. ancianita Dec 2017 #194
IMO dems often have a track record of F'ing things up to the advantage of the GOP. RKP5637 Dec 2017 #81
Next time the Republicans will be smarter and target a Dem, with an R governor. alarimer Dec 2017 #82
He knows if he did it or not askyagerz Dec 2017 #84
How about you act like you know the difference between inappropriate behavior and sexual predation. ancianita Dec 2017 #209
Surely the man knows if he did it or not askyagerz Dec 2017 #213
If he's guilty he needs to resign. Lunabell Dec 2017 #85
Republicans are scared of Franken, and that's why they've targeted him . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #86
What I HOPE is going on is that the Dem senators The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #87
Do you think he can withstand all the pressure? flamingdem Dec 2017 #89
Yes, I think he can. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #91
If Franken is forced out, the Democrats really are committing suicide Dopers_Greed Dec 2017 #92
I've said it before kacekwl Dec 2017 #163
Sadly I often feel the same Egnever Dec 2017 #237
What's the point of an ethics investigation if they force Franken out? nadine_mn Dec 2017 #93
If the investigation finds him only deserving of censure, he can stay. And he should. ancianita Dec 2017 #210
The Circular Firing Squad Moral Compass Dec 2017 #94
Totally agree!!! nt avebury Dec 2017 #95
No kidding Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #97
Not now! mehrrh Dec 2017 #99
Its rat-fuck politics! nvme Dec 2017 #100
No shit. dalton99a Dec 2017 #101
Agree totally Pepsidog Dec 2017 #102
Agree 100%. When do the repubs start getting nailed? (nt) Paladin Dec 2017 #103
Democratic Battle Cry: BootinUp Dec 2017 #104
agreed. electron_blue Dec 2017 #105
WMDs in Iraq, Obama eats arugula, the IRS is after conservatives, Al Gore said, "I invented the ... Botany Dec 2017 #106
Yep. dalton99a Dec 2017 #107
Bullshit! SCVDem Dec 2017 #145
Sue Them Gymbo Dec 2017 #108
If he is forced out without doing anything wrong we are too weak to survive this. bullimiami Dec 2017 #109
This will not add one vote for the Dems. badhair77 Dec 2017 #111
Democratic women will be next to be accused.n/t delisen Dec 2017 #114
Didn't this party learn its lesson about purity politics in the 2016 presidential election? Efilroft Sul Dec 2017 #115
My biggest issue with this.... vi5 Dec 2017 #116
Worse than that. It's not just naively KPN Dec 2017 #153
I just don't know what to do any more... vi5 Dec 2017 #169
It is! KPN Dec 2017 #185
I sent a message to the party 47of74 Dec 2017 #117
Thanks for that, what is the best way to get through? flamingdem Dec 2017 #150
Absolutely! This is a right wing hit job for pecadillos. I've Alice11111 Dec 2017 #118
Should Franken resign, I hope no one is under the illusion that this will stop. hadEnuf Dec 2017 #119
When we quit letting even our own part samplegirl Dec 2017 #121
So Franken will resign and Moore/Trump not only go nowhere... mreilly Dec 2017 #123
This Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #215
Vile republicans thrive on this crap MFM008 Dec 2017 #127
Agree+10000 zentrum Dec 2017 #128
AGREE !! pangaia Dec 2017 #130
Dear Senator Franken steventh Dec 2017 #132
I sent an email Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #134
Excellent. We need to flood him with support emails flamingdem Dec 2017 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #154
Thanks. I just did too. n/t scipan Dec 2017 #172
Merry Fucking Christmas Present, GOP, tied with a limp Democrat bow... Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #136
+1∅000000000000000 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #137
I agree. This is a hit job and we're failing mountain grammy Dec 2017 #138
Just went to Franken's website xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #139
Did you put in your name and address? flamingdem Dec 2017 #155
I'm a CA voter xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #159
Late nite response. Emailed him this afternoon, included my address (not a MN resident), sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #224
AGREE! beaglelover Dec 2017 #140
I know! This is fucking scary! ananda Dec 2017 #141
+1 Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #142
It would not encourage any Republicans to resign. Just the opposite. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #143
I agree lillypaddle Dec 2017 #144
I just posted a please do not resign post on his fb page mnhtnbb Dec 2017 #148
Agree. They let the Repubs destroy ACORN, steal the election in 2000 and sinkingfeeling Dec 2017 #149
They stole the 2016 election too, through the Republican-controlled FBI. (eom) StevieM Dec 2017 #190
If Dems do this, we are toast. lark Dec 2017 #158
agree. i am so mad about this!! n/t orleans Dec 2017 #160
Yep kacekwl Dec 2017 #161
I hope Franken comes out and say he'll step down Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #165
Not so fast. Here's a message from Al Franken ffr Dec 2017 #166
This is why we have to call Franken here: (202) 224-5641 flamingdem Dec 2017 #167
Already done wryter2000 Dec 2017 #170
Zero tolerance XRubicon Dec 2017 #168
100% agreement. I'm glad it happened now ghostsinthemachine Dec 2017 #171
You mean 2020, I suspect as much as well flamingdem Dec 2017 #175
I am reminded of Yeats scipan Dec 2017 #174
we want trumps head for this! samnsara Dec 2017 #176
But 127 dems did not vote for that! flamingdem Dec 2017 #177
I respectfully disagree angrychair Dec 2017 #179
You don't know the facts, do you? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #189
Eight women. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #222
One of them says he squeezed her side too hard during a picture oneis a birther. It could be ... uponit7771 Dec 2017 #238
Yes. At HER request, he gets in close to take a pic, and puts hand on her WAIST & grabs too hard. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #245
Really? Name them. And don't incl. the one that says he put his arm around her waist - groping. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #243
Its so obvious that its GOP sabotage. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #180
I agree! MojoWrkn Dec 2017 #184
So obviously a hit job for taking on Sessions. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #186
This is out of hand. All is lost. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #187
Yeah, I agree. Very sadly, but I agree. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #192
Yes, it shows lack of strategy and unity. They think it will get the female vote flamingdem Dec 2017 #195
They sure as shit won't get this female's vote. a la izquierda Dec 2017 #248
If Franken resigns expect sexual harassment allegations to be the new ratfucking tactic. Willie Pep Dec 2017 #196
I agree, and then I become an Independent. wisteria Dec 2017 #219
I agree Soxderrube Dec 2017 #221
Same with my senator - Kirsten Gillibrand. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #223
It's a horrible thing to oust someone on hearsay. He should keep his seat. Let MN decide. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #226
If Al stays in, he'll be hit with this issue until 2020 Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #227
I don't think they'll gain much with that sharp stick, repugs don't care and independents aren't PC flamingdem Dec 2017 #230
in fact, have free and fair elections next year. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #231
Election cheating is where the dems should be aiming their fire not as one of their best Senators flamingdem Dec 2017 #251
Kick. sarcasmo Dec 2017 #229
Agree nt Raine Dec 2017 #235
Trump and cronies will be blasting out that Franken would not have resigned if he wasnt guilty suffragette Dec 2017 #236
We need to rebuild zentrum Dec 2017 #240
Dems are playing long ball DownriverDem Dec 2017 #241
Totally agree. Hope he doesn't resign. Those supporting his resignation are despicable. harun Dec 2017 #246
This is so true Rene Dec 2017 #247
Totally agree! karin_sj Dec 2017 #249
Dems call on Mueller to resign. SansACause Dec 2017 #252

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
6. By the Democrats?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:00 PM
Dec 2017

Moral outrage is not a very good strategy. By the GOP sure! With billions in dark money - and now even more billions after tax "reform" passes this will NEVER END.

The Democrats will be destroyed by hearsay.

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
12. No - there is some sort of targeting going on by the "other side"
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:04 PM
Dec 2017

again - not to condone any of this behavior - but just all seems quite fishy to me.

Grab them by the pussy still in office going completely unscathed?

It all stinks.

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
19. we are going to need new analogies - we bring silly putty to a nuke fight?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:09 PM
Dec 2017

Decades of taking the high road doesn't seem to be serving our party very well.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
113. Careful!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:38 PM
Dec 2017

I got alerted twice of late for saying something - true, but unflattering - about an EX-Dem. And here you are demeaning the whole Demned party! Surely, the mods will do something once get up off the floor! Look forward - only forward. We gave the White House keys to Donny and that's OLD history. Just look to the future! I mean: "Stupid, stupid Dems" - I don't see how that paints the party in a soothing hue.


<- this lest some genius take me to task.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
253. Dear Mods
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:15 PM
Dec 2017

I've been looking thru the many posts this morning. And with SO MUCH anger and defaming against the Dems and Bernie..... Is there any chance you could reinstate the two posts I recently had pulled? I don't really NEED a reminder of the "rules" of DU. If the rules meant anything, there'd be a genuine dearth of posts and OPs today.

Whaddya say? Just kiddin' of course. I've hung out here long enough that I've figured out how things "work".

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
234. There are 6 including Tweendan? I thought she was one and the other girl was 2 and then 2 anonymous
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:54 AM
Dec 2017

ones

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
178. heresay and 'popular' outrage generated mainly by 300 POS on 1500 radio stations
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:46 PM
Dec 2017

because the idiot dem party and idiot progressive orgs ignore it.

really fucking stupid.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
3. Its pretty simple.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:59 PM
Dec 2017

GOP slime machine: Jump dems!

Dems: How high should we jump? Thank you sir may we have another.

At this point I'd vote for Bernie over Gillibrand. I regret buying her book to cheer my wife up after the election.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
217. So what do you have to say now?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:45 PM
Dec 2017

This is horrible. I hope he renews calls for every fucking pol under the shadow of similar accusations. Let's do THAT!

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
218. ANYONE who has called for Franken to resign has lost my support.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:52 PM
Dec 2017

As far as the 2020 primary goes. As far as 2018 goes, I’m not going to be donating to Dems who called for him to resign, specifically Claire McCaskill. I will continue to support obstruction of the Drumpf agenda, regardless. This day will likely have long term affects on my relationship with the party that are not yet fully understood. I am deeply disillusioned right now.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
225. I am soo pissed and hope there is something we don't know.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:16 AM
Dec 2017

Will await his statement tomorrow to judge this. Something feels really off with the coordination of all this. Becasue of a hug? WTF? The blowback from this will destroy the complaints of working women.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
232. That is one of my biggest fears in all of this
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:01 AM
Dec 2017

I genuinely want a safer environment for women to be able to expose misconduct but this has set the bar so low it makes a mockery of justice and completely undercuts women who have legitimately been abused.

As a man watching this all I can think is if we have now set the bar for sexual assault at squeezing someones waist during a hug we have just ensured that all women are a liability in the workplace. Seems to be the complete opposite of the intent. Rather than working to protect them we have made every man in america look at them with trepidation.

Maybe that is justice to sow fear into the hearts of every man in america but I suspect the blowback towards women is going to be enormous.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
242. Yeah, the fact that none of this has to do with workplace stuff is maddening.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:18 AM
Dec 2017

And I really think accuser #1 was encouraged or out right paid to lie. I just don't believe her.

cilla4progress

(24,585 posts)
4. We will get a good replacement out of
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:59 PM
Dec 2017

Dayton, Minnesota's Dem governor.

I think it's time to move forward and take Franken off the table as an excuse for rethugs. Then we can say with pride that we did what we should, while they still allow tRump, Farenthold, and now possibly Moore, to stay in power.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
8. Franken is one of best attackers of the GOP
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:01 PM
Dec 2017

The best on Russia. That kind of intelligence it not easily replaced,

Response to flamingdem (Reply #8)

kcr

(15,300 posts)
37. It's just a reminder that these people don't have a moral or ethical backbone in their body
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017

and you have to vote for these sadsacks to keep much worse sadsacks from winning. Yay.

SergeStorms

(18,882 posts)
214. And above all.....
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:15 PM
Dec 2017

don't offend anyone. We can't use language that offends anyone!

That is all. Love and peace to everyone!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
110. His authority and ability to critique
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:35 PM
Dec 2017

has been utterly destroyed. If he stayed on the Al Franken going forward would be a shadow of the senator he was prior to this foofarah.

Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Bettie

(15,995 posts)
58. So, we give in on the eternal game of chicken
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:51 PM
Dec 2017

and we get rid of Franken.

Next time a Dem challenges them, they find some anonymous people with iffy claims and we get rid of that person too.

Then there is another and another as they fill the house and senate with truly evil people who are above any sort of recriminations because our side is too busy purging all of our effective legislators.

They will never stop and we'll just form another circular firing squad...I'm sickened by this.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
88. Honestly why bother voting...just keep making Democrats resign
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

This is just stupid...apparently easier and cheaper to "win" back house and senate seats is Tim push out strong sitting Democrats

Bettie

(15,995 posts)
98. I was feeling hopeful with the Mueller indictments
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

Now?

We'll never get another Dem elected...unlimited money from PACs and Churches will find all kinds of anonymous accusers and our party will demand that the candidates/elected officials just quit.

Why even bother?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
181. It's just getting to be too heartbreaking. We get our hopes up only to have them shattered again.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:03 PM
Dec 2017

I don't know how much more of this I can take. I feel so betrayed by our own spineless "leaders". When the going gets tough, they roll over and play possum. Frankly, I am thoroughly disgusted. I don't think I could be any more despairing than I am right now.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
59. And, once that happens...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:51 PM
Dec 2017

...we'll see similar charges against a Democrat from a state with a Republican governor to make the appointment. And, if we don't press for that Democrat to resign immediately as well, we'll be painted as hypocrites. Count on it.

 

Bibluca

(63 posts)
125. Franken's answer
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:03 PM
Dec 2017

Franken's standard answer from now on should be: "I'll resign when Mr. Trump resigns."

That's it. The conversation ends there. No discussion. Walk away.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
164. so glad you are in the minority
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:31 PM
Dec 2017

good luck ever keeping any decent democrat in office if the bar is
they have never touched another human being

the repubs hate franken because he had the audacity to actually count the votes in the election they had stolen

another dem will not be the same and no dem will ever be safe again

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
183. What? This rape, assault, incest, harassment survivor does not agree.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:05 PM
Dec 2017

It's BS and I would never expect anyone to be indicted on my hearsay. We will have all kinds of problems stemming from this. It will not be as easy as you think. Why doesn't Franken get due process?

WyLoochka

(1,629 posts)
228. There is no "pride" later after having joined a lynch mob
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:48 AM
Dec 2017

Railroading a colleague out of the Senate without due process is not "the right thing to do."

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
5. We will never ever win a war on 3 fronts
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:00 PM
Dec 2017

we are battling the GOP on the right flank, and battling ourselves from the left and center

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
212. here's an idea:
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:01 PM
Dec 2017

the center moves left and we all fight the republicans, kinda like roosevelt. Worked before.

cilla4progress

(24,585 posts)
11. This will end
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:03 PM
Dec 2017

when all the MOC who have exposure on this issue are gone.

Sad but true.

And if much of this is fabricated, Franken will have his opportunity to rebut, while Congressional Dems have a clear field to go hard after all the rethugs still in office.

CrispyQ

(36,221 posts)
23. The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:18 PM
Dec 2017

But hey, when they go low, we go high. And after 40 years of that policy, the GOP has their boot on our neck. We're just battling for our country, so why not sacrifice one of our best bulldogs, based on specious claims, without any kind of inquiry? WTF?
I've lost respect for the Democratic Party. They need a spine implant & have needed one for about 40 years, & more recently I think they could use a brain implant, too.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
25. "The chances of getting someone as sharp, articulate, & outspoken as Franken are slim."
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:26 PM
Dec 2017

This argument puzzles me. Do we really think that out of 5 million people, Franken is the only one who's that sharp, articulate and outspoken?

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
44. there are plenty of people that could "do the job"
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:38 PM
Dec 2017

but, the list of Minnesota Democrats that could do the job as well as Al Franken is probably a very short one. How many Democrats in all of the US that you can name that are Harvard graduates, have a history in media, are best selling authors with a great sense of humor and are also hard working, diligent and great at questioning witnesses?

CrispyQ

(36,221 posts)
56. I'm more puzzled by dems who want him to resign without an inquiry.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:49 PM
Dec 2017

And yes, I do think that combination of attributes is difficult to find. Sharp, or quick on your feet, I think, is a quality that good comedians share. Attorneys, you'd hope so, but not always so much.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
239. There are a few hundred democrats/progressives already in congress
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:18 AM
Dec 2017

He is undeniably one of the handful of strongest voices we have, with Bernie, Warren ... Can't find many more.

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
62. Franken is the one who asked Sessions the question that got him recused
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:55 PM
Dec 2017

Please tell us who you think could have done that. Because no one else in the Senate did.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
122. The GOP is playing to win
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:49 PM
Dec 2017

at all costs. We're not. They are using our sense of fairness against us. This will end poorly.

OkieLib41

(39 posts)
131. This
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:16 PM
Dec 2017

I don’t get it at all. I’ve beaten myself up wording what’s so hard to figure out?! The GOP have been fighting with no regards to the country and what the majority of the people think...Cutthroat win at all costs, yet the Dems seem to want play by the book, take the high road. When will they get it through their thick heads that playing fair and nice the last 20 yrs only gets your teeth kicked in politically?

lame54

(35,130 posts)
14. Good week for Bannon...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:05 PM
Dec 2017

His dirty tricks push out our strongest Senator while he shoves a pedophile through the system in time to vote on a devastating tax bill

A Moore victory will embolden Bannon in his scheme to fill Washington with the worst of the worst

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
48. That filthy, scabrous, seditious piece of shit
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:41 PM
Dec 2017

should NEVER be showcased the way he has been on TV today.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
156. Jesus Christ on a Crutch - it isn't enough that the Rethugs regularly
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

kick the shit out of us - now we're committed to kicking ourselves!!! Franken's response should be one sentence: "I'll resign when Trump does". Nothing more. Let the Rethugs choke on it.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,353 posts)
24. At the rate things are going now
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dec 2017

Anybody running or thinking about running for office will need to ensure that there is absolutely NOTHING.....I MEAN NOTHING.....questionable or problematic lurking in their past history. Of course, everybody's got skeletons and opponents and opportunists seeking to bring you down in politics, so the possibility that one can avoid any problems during a campaign or even years later when in office seems extremely low, especially when people can make accusations until they start mounting up, forcing you into a position where you may be pressured to resign without fully examining everything. I'm not saying we shouldn't take accusations of misconduct seriously but if we start throwing everybody out of office before fully examining charges and taking account of everything, we won't have anybody left considered fit or "pure" enough to serve.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
29. True! And if you don't have a skeleton the repugs will invent one
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:30 PM
Dec 2017

Nothing anonymous should be allowed when it comes to accusations of impropriety.

Bettie

(15,995 posts)
63. Even if you've never done anything wrong
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:56 PM
Dec 2017

if you ever hugged someone, they can claim that you touched their butt and you are out!

If you ever hit on someone and got shot down, you are evil and must leave the race.

If you ever told an off-color joke, sorry, you're gone.

If you have ever been human....nope, can't risk it.

Greybnk48

(10,147 posts)
26. Yep. If we Dems knuckle under AGAIN, this time about Al Franken,
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:27 PM
Dec 2017

when that fat ugly fuck in Texas with the duckie pajamas is still leering and grinning at us, and they're seating a known pedophile in the Senate, ugh!

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
30. Remember when the Russian trolls were pushing
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:30 PM
Dec 2017

The second story? Ask yourselves why.
I can’t believe the Democrats are so stupid to be manipulated by Roger Stone like this. Unbelievable

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
33. Democrats walking right into a trap set by repukes
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:33 PM
Dec 2017

If Franken were to resign over this the repukes will pull a bait and switch right around the time of the Minnesota special election and portray the Democratic party as being overran by hyper feminist for forcing out Franken to suppress turnout among Democratic males.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
35. I agree
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017

The callers for his scalp are emboldened by the fact that the Dem governor of Minn would appoint another Dem to fill the vacancy. I think it is a woman, but not sure.

There is a process - use it. The ethics committee. Then if it keeps piling on, Franken can announce he won't run when his term is up, but will continue to serve until then.

I haven't seen anything yet that suggests more than very bad and stupid behavior. I still do not think he is a predatory danger to females. Just icky.

bhusar

(131 posts)
38. I am sick of this
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017

When is our side going to play by the same rules the GOP does? David Vitter never resigned, Moore is still in, yet we have to resign. Our pundits like Sam Seder are fired, I am sick of this.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
39. Make lemonade out of a lemon!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:35 PM
Dec 2017

I prefer the unrestrained, over-the-top Al Franken who "wrote the book" on how fucked up Washington is!

Anybody can be a senator - or president - but there is only one gawdam Al Franken!!!

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
49. Attempts were made to paint Schiff as gay
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:41 PM
Dec 2017

a couple of months ago. They really don't have anything on him just innuendo.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
146. Is there something wrong about being gay?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:56 PM
Dec 2017

There isn't, obviously, so how could that "accusation" be used to smear him

Orrex

(63,084 posts)
43. As a party, one of the Democrats' great strengths...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:38 PM
Dec 2017

is the ability to lie down belly-up in response to Republican bluster.

If Franken steps down, then look for his replacement to be weak, non-wave-making figure who'll sit quietly in the back of the room until a Republican can come along to replace him or her.

 

tapermaker

(244 posts)
46. The only way to fend off this shit is to elect women
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:40 PM
Dec 2017

Because all they have to do is say they grabbed my ass and it's all over for a man. If Dems are to go forward as a party they need to get rid of men because they have dicks so are not to be believed when it comes to sex .no matter how many hundreds of women sign statements vouching for their charachter.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
51. At this point they're a lot of gain in saying he grabbed my whatever
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:44 PM
Dec 2017

This is BAD for feminism and makes women look ridiculous when or if it's used for personal gain at the expense of someone else.

liberal_patriot_md

(194 posts)
220. This may not be a popular opinion.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:36 AM
Dec 2017

But this could turn even more men away from the party.

Relatively innocuous behavior (and be honest - it is) that could happen to anyone in the same position (its happened to me in group photos or in quick meet and greet photo ops) is being exaggerated (without clear evidence it even happened) and a popular male Democratic Senator has had his party leadership and colleagues turn against him.

Guys will see the knives come out over this “scandal” and wonder - is there a place for me in the Democratic Party?

BadgerKid

(4,541 posts)
50. Also possibly zero chance to impeach DT.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:42 PM
Dec 2017

The GOP keeps their voters while the dems agreeably fall on their swords.

DemKittyNC

(743 posts)
52. Can't believe this is happening!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

NEVER been so angry in all my life. This is a GOP hit job!!!!

FUCK the GOP and the goddamn republicans they can all burn in hell!!!!

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
60. Who needs enemies . . .
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:52 PM
Dec 2017

when we have fellow Dems willing to trash one another.

Franken has admitted to boorish behavior and frat-boy pranks. He's owned the incident (s) and apologized. Short of crucifying himself what else is required?

All things in the world of harassment are not equal. As thinking human beings we need to make distinctions. Al Franken does not = Roy Moore. Al Franken does not = Donald J. Trump or Blake Farenthold who paid out $84000 in taxpayer money for a harassment allegation. Where are the cries for Farenthold to resign??

Franken is a strong Democratic voice and fighter. He has openly invited an ethics investigation. So why preempt that investigation with a pointless purge?

Democrats excel at shooting themselves in the foot while allowing the right-wing to get away with murder.

Who needs enemies??

Lanius

(599 posts)
61. This is getting ridiculous
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:54 PM
Dec 2017

Why can't the Democrats just let the Senate ethics investigation take its course? Why hold a press conference and demand Franken's resignation? What good does that do, other than allowed them to pat themselves on the back for their smug self-righteousness?

As far as the men go, they should never touch a woman they don't know (other than a handshake). Don't even put a hand on a woman's back or shoulder during a picture. That's the best way to protect yourself from any sexual harassment claims later on. Republicans don't care about sexual harassment or sexual assault, but they know it outrages Democrats.

roscoeroscoe

(1,369 posts)
157. Same word I was going to use
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

I mean, C'mon man! Really!? Really!

This is not what I expect from Democratic party leaders! Come on and fight dammit!

catchnrelease

(1,941 posts)
211. Pence!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:56 PM
Dec 2017

People made fun of him for saying he won't be alone at dinner etc with a woman unless his wife is there too. Maybe he was onto something! Always have a chaperone.
(I think he's as creepy and crooked as hell, but he came to mind when I read your second paragraph.)

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
64. I just called Gillibrands office and told her secretary my feelings
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:56 PM
Dec 2017

She was very nice and took my pissed off message with good grace. Told her I thought her calling for his resignation was reprehensible and why was she not allowing the ethics office do their job?
Not sure it will do anything but I at least tried.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
96. Good for you!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

As I remarked in a previous thread about the call for Franken's resignation, I wonder if Gillibrand et al will welcome Roy Moore with open arms when he takes office, which I'm pretty sure will happen. I am becoming more and more disenchanted with Democratic MOC, which leaves me with this awful empty feeling there's no place for progressives to turn in today's political climate. Not quite ready to give up, but I too am so pissed off I can hardly find words to express my despair. Right now I'm going to e-mail Al Franken (once again) and tell him not to resign. Hope he listens!

Peace.

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
129. I just an email to Franken
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:15 PM
Dec 2017

Begging him not to resign.
He is one of the few sane voices in the senate and it would be tragic to lose him.

I smell this as a Roger Stone dirty tricks campaign.
He and his cohorts will not stop. Watch them come up with more complainants against other Dems.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
65. Agreed
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

What he's done doesn't rise to real harassment. it doesn't fit the pattern. We're playing the Republican's game for them. It needs to stop!

dchill

(38,315 posts)
66. These same Democratic senators will soon call...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:00 PM
Dec 2017

Roy Moore "My esteemed colleague from Alabama." LUDICROUS!

KPN

(15,585 posts)
67. When they go low, we go high.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:01 PM
Dec 2017

And the American people get screwed.

While going high is admirable, in this case the medicine is particularly hard to swallow. We're in the midst of a war to save our democracy and our Constitution. We can't tell the difference or make a distinction between frigging Moore, Barton, Trump et al and Al Franken to save our country????

Instead of temporarily adopting the standard GOP guidelines for comportment (Principles will kill you; it's either them or it's us; nice guys/gals come in last; etc.) how about let's just surrender and be done with it.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
75. Yes, am beginning to wonder what they've decided and why
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:09 PM
Dec 2017

but along the way they can lose us - because of their choices.

I don't agree with sacrificing Franken for some greater good.

It feels poorly considered and must have to do with the person or people they want to run in 2020.

Those people want Franken out of the way and they may be going after the female vote.

As in run a female again. Gillibrand thinks so

Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
74. Meanwhile,,,,,,,,,
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:08 PM
Dec 2017

MSM has maybe a half second coverage of Doug Jones camping in AL in between dragging Franken out for his hourly flogging!

usaf-vet

(6,092 posts)
77. Keep the GOP weapons loaded. That seems to be the goal for the democratic party.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

Fight is not in their vocabulary. I've given up on them as a defender of the rights and needs of the majority of the American citizens. They are useless. I used to get frustrated when they only brought "knives to political gun fights". Now they bring the extra high capacity magazines for the guns the republicans are carrying. If Franken is to go it will (SHOULD) be the voters in MN that should decide. After all McConnell, Ryan and Trump have said that is the case for Roy Moore. And to all MN voters who fail to vote for Franken. Make sure when you are out buying bullets for the republicans weapons that they are the right caliber. Hint you can't go wrong if you by loud, useless, bigoted GOP specials. They work especially well in the deep the mud and BS.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
78. Just called Franken and Kamala Harris
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

I'm in CA, so I called my wonderful senator, who's absolutely wrong for all the right reasons on this issue. I hope Al gets thousands of calls in support. He should not resign.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
79. Never. Franken should never step down. This silly Democratic Party makes a purist argument
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:11 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Never. Franken should never step down.

This silly Democratic Party makes a purist argument that says all who relate inappropriately to females -- without reference to contexts or males' admitted misjudgments -- should resign. Fuck women who don't know their male allies.

No way should a feminist like Franken resign. His conduct with hundreds, even thousands of women in his public office, and even in the comedy field, is supported by far more females than the few brought forward by Roger Stone and his O'Keeferans.

We Democrats call out and jail our criminals. But I'm one Dem who won't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We can win voters, and the presidency again, with that stance.

THINK, WOMEN. THINK! REALIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MALE ALLIES AND PREDATORS!

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
193. Glad you caught that error. I meant "silly Democratic party." Yes. I'll edit. Thanks.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:19 PM
Dec 2017

The whole party is not female.
Not all the female Democrats are silly.

But the ones calling for Franken's resignation without due process are.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
200. Ok, good
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:56 PM
Dec 2017

.I agree that the party IS acting weak and silly...I'm a woman as well, and I just called Franken's office and urged him to hang tough, to stay and not resign...I said "The Republicans aren't resigning, why should you"?

The Dems are always caving...When will they grow a spine?






whathehell

(28,968 posts)
207. That's good and yes, your suggestion is perfect
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:18 PM
Dec 2017

The Senators addressing the issue could have asily have given that in response to any questions on regarding resignation. I am depressed and I think we should all give these spineless Dems hell.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
82. Next time the Republicans will be smarter and target a Dem, with an R governor.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

So that they (may, depending on the state's rules) replace a D with an R. Of course that all depends on whether the state requires the replacement to be of the same party as the one who quits.

I know whoever Dayton appoints would probably be fine, but how soon would they be seated? Before or after the final tax vote? And of course, they would likely not be the attack dog that Franken is, or at least not right away. (I personally hope he appoints Ellison in the event of a resignation).

Still, nothing that Franken is alleged to have done (but the evidence is paper-think at best) compares at all to Conyers or Farenthold (who seems to be staying put, the utter pig) and certainly not to Moore or Trump himself.


askyagerz

(776 posts)
84. He knows if he did it or not
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

And if he did he needs to go. To act like you all know 100% for sure what's going on makes you all sound as silly as republicans. Hit job or not...
I have gone almost 40 years without harassing a woman and expect the same from every American politician. And to whine about how he can't be replaced makes the party sound kinda desperate.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
209. How about you act like you know the difference between inappropriate behavior and sexual predation.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:34 PM
Dec 2017

Don't think good senators are as replaceable as car parts. They're not.

There's no "if he did" until there is an ethics hearing. You don't even mention that.

The fact that your 40 years of perfect behavior hasn't translated into your being an examplary model of a political leader might mean that you don't have many other important qualifications which I expect from every American politician.

You can stop holding up the perfect as the enemy of the good. Like now.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
213. Surely the man knows if he did it or not
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:06 PM
Dec 2017

Without needing a ethics investigation on himself. And yes I expect my senators to be better people then me and I'm not even that great of person so if they can't pass that test they can go. And again to say he can't be replaced makes this party sound desperate. It's about the message not the messenger

Lunabell

(5,919 posts)
85. If he's guilty he needs to resign.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

The investigation needs to finish first. He denies the allegations and I think we should withhold judgement for now.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
86. Republicans are scared of Franken, and that's why they've targeted him . . .
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:16 PM
Dec 2017

For this most blatant of political assassinations.

Unfortunately, Dems are more afraid of the Republicans, and so are going to let them get away with it.

This is how we continue to lose, even when Democratic values predominant among voters.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
87. What I HOPE is going on is that the Dem senators
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:16 PM
Dec 2017

are making statements for public consumption ("See? WE don't tolerate sexual misconduct of any kind, unlike those child-molesting, pussy-grabbing Republicans! We're so virtuous that we'd happily throw out one of our most effective members just to show the world how totally virtuous we are!) and that once that is done, Franken will announce that he will not resign unless the ethics investigation supports the claims of the accusers. And the other Dems, having established their virtue, will accept the outcome of the ethics investigation if it substantially exonerates him.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
89. Do you think he can withstand all the pressure?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:19 PM
Dec 2017

They've really pushed him out at this point. Mostly to further their own careers I bet.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
91. Yes, I think he can.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

I think he probably understands that a lot of this virtuous gum-flapping is for public consumption.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
92. If Franken is forced out, the Democrats really are committing suicide
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

They're giving the Republicans even more power on a silver platter

kacekwl

(6,993 posts)
163. I've said it before
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:29 PM
Dec 2017

I guess it's time to say it again. It seems to me sometimes they (both parties) are in some kind of game to keep fucking with us and keep some club together. I can see no other explanation for this type of thing happening.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
93. What's the point of an ethics investigation if they force Franken out?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

Sounds like even if he is cleared, the decision has already been made.

I'm disgusted at how quick Dems are to turn on their own.

This is just insanity.

So what, if the investigation exonerates Franken but he stepped down...what was the point?

Moral Compass

(1,498 posts)
94. The Circular Firing Squad
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:23 PM
Dec 2017

Amazing how well choreographed this is...

The timing of all this is so suspect, but no one can come out and question the sincerity of the accusers as that would be an intolerable offense in and of itself.

Note how the accusations seem to just slide off of the elder Bush and won’t adhere to Moore or Trump. Where are Franken’s ardent defenders? Where are Conyer’s?

The Democrats own leadership call for resignations to demonstrate our comparative moral purity.

We have formed the circular firing squad.

Listo! Apunte! Fuego!



Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,063 posts)
97. No kidding
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

I'm not excusing Franken if he did those things but let the system play out. Investigate it. What he's accused of doesn't even rise to the level of Roy Moore.

The timing of this is bone headed as it gets. So let's assure the GOP tax cuts go through. Limousine liberals like Gillibrand and Tom Perez won't be hurt by them.

mehrrh

(233 posts)
99. Not now!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

Don't do it, Franken.
Tweeden was part of the comedy skit, and she wasn't even asleep in that comedy pictrure, according to the photographer.
Another woman claimas, years later, that Franken touched her butt while her husband was taking their picture! Not credible.
Staff from SNL and from his Senate office have all come out in his defense whereas his accusers are anonymous.

nvme

(860 posts)
100. Its rat-fuck politics!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

The party is willing to sacrifice Al despite his accomplishments, because how can they claim the moral high ground should Pedophile Roy Moore get elected. It is an idiotic move because the Republican senate will not exclude more. They will embrace him like a newborn babe despite him being covered in child molesting scandal. They just don't " want "A Nancy Pelosi/ Chuck Schumer" automaton (Their words not mine). So we throw one the top Dems to the lions in hope Repubs will do likewise. Good Luck with that!

Botany

(70,281 posts)
106. WMDs in Iraq, Obama eats arugula, the IRS is after conservatives, Al Gore said, "I invented the ...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:30 PM
Dec 2017

.... internet.", Hillary did nothing to save those people in Benghazi, John Kerry was not
a war hero, Ohio 2004 was clean, and on and on.

This is a right wing hit job. see this "“It’s my right as an entertainer.” please


Another woman says Franken tried to forcibly kiss her

Source: Politico

A former Democratic congressional aide said Al Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after a taping of his radio show in 2006, three years before he became a U.S. senator.

The aide, whose name POLITICO is withholding to protect her identity, said Franken (D-Minn.) pursued her after her boss had left the studio. She said she was gathering her belongings to follow her boss out of the room. When she turned around, Franken was in her face.

The former staffer ducked to avoid Franken’s lips. As she hastily left the room, she said, Franken told her: “It’s my right as an entertainer.”

“He was between me and the door and he was coming at me to kiss me. It was very quick and I think my brain had to work really hard to be like ‘Wait, what is happening?’ But I knew whatever was happening was not right and I ducked,” the aide said in an interview. “I was really startled by it and I just sort of booked it towards the door and he said, ‘It’s my right as an entertainer.’”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/al-franken-accusation-sexual-harassment-2006-281049

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
145. Bullshit!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:55 PM
Dec 2017

Time for the men to stand up and force the facts to come out!

Al loves Frannie and would never do this.

If I am wrong, then he must go, BUT, prove these events happened.

Gymbo

(133 posts)
108. Sue Them
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

If Al Franken wants to turn this around he needs to sue the accusers. Nothing will change the dialog faster than a lawsuit where the accusers have to show up in court with proof.

badhair77

(4,191 posts)
111. This will not add one vote for the Dems.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:36 PM
Dec 2017

These accusations are payback for Franken’s aggressive interrogation of Sessions. That and trying to diminish the accusations against Roy Moore. The timing is no coincidence. Unless there are more damaging accusations we don’t know about I hope he waits out the ethics investigation.

In the meantime I’ve lost tremendous respect for several members of the Senate who seem to have buckled to Republicans’ pressure.

Efilroft Sul

(3,573 posts)
115. Didn't this party learn its lesson about purity politics in the 2016 presidential election?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:39 PM
Dec 2017

Christ on a crutch.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
116. My biggest issue with this....
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:39 PM
Dec 2017

...is that once again Dems fall all over themselves to do the right thing, and then they actually, naively (or maybe stupidly) expect that it somehow inoculates them against Republican criticism, or even more naively (or stupidly) think that it means that Republicans will actually be forced to hold themselves to the same standard.


It's not going to happen. Republicans have no shame. Republicans don't care how hypocritical they seem. They don't care about doing the right thing. Democrats will not get any credit for doing anything.

And you can throw in the useless DC beltway media as well to all of this.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
153. Worse than that. It's not just naively
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:06 PM
Dec 2017

expecting to get credit for taking the moral high ground, it's naively expecting it will win votes. It won't. In fact, it'll probably lead to more I's, Green Party and Working Family Party members.

Maybe it's time to finally examine my own loyalty to the Democratic Party. Doesn't make much sense to keep riding a horse that doesn't seem to have the moxie to actually win this war. I am increasingly disappointed in the leaders of this party.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
169. I just don't know what to do any more...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:46 PM
Dec 2017

I'm in the same boat. It feels like a 35 year one sided, dysfunctional relationship.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
185. It is!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:38 PM
Dec 2017

Where were all the high minded leaders when our economy, its structure, its jobs, the wage scale, benefits got pillaged over the past 35 years?!

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
117. I sent a message to the party
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:41 PM
Dec 2017

my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

I told them that Republicans would love to see me dead and that they’d gladly help the GOP pull the trigger by trying to force Franken from office.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
118. Absolutely! This is a right wing hit job for pecadillos. I've
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:44 PM
Dec 2017

Done civil rights, sex harassment 30 years. They aren't even letting him have an investigation!!!

If they put half as much energy into fighting this tax bill, maybe they could stop it. Many of those women, I have raised money for in close races. This is what they bring to the Senate. We should call them! Call him and encourage him to hang on.

If after a complee and full investigation, he is truly guilty of something non trivial, kick his butt out. Holy moly, we are eating our own, and the Repubs are lauging all of the way to the bank.

Hell, get Ronan Farrow on it. Someone ivestigate this, and sliw down. It's a lynch mob.

Another false equivalency!

hadEnuf

(2,149 posts)
119. Should Franken resign, I hope no one is under the illusion that this will stop.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:44 PM
Dec 2017

The Repigs have found that this works, so they will keep doing it and doing it and doing it.

Foolish move if this happens.

 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
123. So Franken will resign and Moore/Trump not only go nowhere...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:55 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Thu Dec 7, 2017, 08:43 AM - Edit history (1)

.... but actually profit from what they did, since their worthless, shithole supporters just shriek they're "being picked on," "all those women are lying," but oh, of course, Al Franken is a serial rapist who must resign.

They're being allowed to frame the narrative. If Franken isn't gutsy enough to stick it out and fight them I question whether he was fit to square off against the GOP in the first place.

If this happens, it will only be the first time. The GOP will learn they can use this tactic to destroy anyone who gets in their way, while steadfastly protecting their own 100% of the time. They honestly insist that Moore and Trump not admitting what they did clears them and proves them 100%.

As if every single criminal defendant who files a plea of "Not Guilty" is automatically exonerated and should just be immediately released.

I expect nauseating, hypocritical, loathsome assholery of the lowest order from the GOP. That's the kind of walking shit they are.

What I also expect is for Democrats to stand up to this walking shit and not obediently be manipulated into falling on their swords, when there is not a single Republican out there EVER who would do the same; they'll just whine and lie and deny it and sob how mean everyone is being to them.

If they aren't going to exhibit one shred of decency and integrity and use that of our guys to hang them, we're screwed.

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
127. Vile republicans thrive on this crap
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:08 PM
Dec 2017

They brazen it out.
They call accusers LIARS.
No matter if 16 or 100 accuse them.
We cave.
We "do the right thing" and sit warmly on our moral superority
and LOSE
and LOSE again
The rapists and child molesters make the bills that
destroy our lives and KILL our family members.

great plan.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
130. AGREE !!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:16 PM
Dec 2017

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, somebody knows something 'we' don;t know and there really is an issue.
BUT, as of now I do NOT believe it.

And what the fuck is my senator GILLI doing saying Al should quit.. ???
Does SHE know something?? Hummm....
I seriously doubt it...


I think it is a hit job.
And until that is proven otherwise...

AL- stay right where you are..

steventh

(2,143 posts)
132. Dear Senator Franken
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:16 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.franken.senate.gov/?p=contact&success=true

We need you. Stand firm.

PLEASE!!!! DO NOT RESIGN!!! Your intelligence and integrity are needed now in these terrible times. Don't make Elizabeth and Bernie stand up alone for Americans without your voice and vision.

It's the height of folly for any Democrat to suggest that you resign. I doubt the allegations against you are true. You doubt them yourself, don't you. Even if they were true, your apology is sufficient to put the matter behind you. We have a pussy grabber in the White House and it appears we're about to have a pedophile from Alabama in the Senate. Your alleged actions are nothing next to those.

If not you, who will stand up to the terrible Republicans who gerrymandered and cheated their way into power? You are America's greatest hope for surviving the horror that is US politics nowadays.

If you and all the Democrats don't stand up to the Republicans many will die. Yes. Die. When they demolish the safety net.

What do you think of the rumor that tRump is considering private security police? Think he won't try it? Think it's bad now? It could get way worse.

Please re-read Kipling's poem "If."
http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_if.htm

Response to flamingdem (Reply #151)

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
136. Merry Fucking Christmas Present, GOP, tied with a limp Democrat bow...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:22 PM
Dec 2017

Stay in Congress, Al.
Let the ethics committee do their job.
Then we shall see.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
138. I agree. This is a hit job and we're failing
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:30 PM
Dec 2017

no one cares if we take the high road.. Republicans will stay in power. No, Al should not resign.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
139. Just went to Franken's website
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:40 PM
Dec 2017

franken.senate.gov. Sent him a note asking him to stay in spite of the whine we are hearing. He is the only out-of-state Democratic candidate I have ever given donations (other than presidential candidates).

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
155. Did you put in your name and address?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:18 PM
Dec 2017

I thought I'd have to be a Minn voter.

Maybe I'll just do it anyway as a CA voter

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
159. I'm a CA voter
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:06 PM
Dec 2017

and I used my CA address. This is a national, not a state issue. We all need him in the senate

sprinkleeninow

(20,133 posts)
224. Late nite response. Emailed him this afternoon, included my address (not a MN resident),
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:14 AM
Dec 2017

got a thank you acknowledgment.

mnhtnbb

(31,316 posts)
148. I just posted a please do not resign post on his fb page
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:58 PM
Dec 2017

Tried to send a message through his official senate office site and got an oops, couldn't find the page response
after I clicked send.

sinkingfeeling

(51,274 posts)
149. Agree. They let the Repubs destroy ACORN, steal the election in 2000 and
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:59 PM
Dec 2017

2004, destroy Planned Parenthood, and now are most progressive Senator. If Franken quits, I'm done with the DNC.

lark

(22,995 posts)
158. If Dems do this, we are toast.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:04 PM
Dec 2017

The party will have abdicated and Russia and the RW Christo-fascists, rapists, child molesters and orange assface win. As long as I'm here, I will continue to vote for the Dems, but I will do my best to get my family to agree to move to Portugal. This country will be over because all power will have been ceded to the enemies of democracy.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
167. This is why we have to call Franken here: (202) 224-5641
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:45 PM
Dec 2017

(202) 224-5641

Call this number, Franken's Washington office and leave your message of support.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
170. Already done
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

I think he should announce that he'll wait until the ethics investigation is over. That investigation will produce no good evidence he did anything wrong.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
168. Zero tolerance
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:46 PM
Dec 2017

and... the punishment should fit the crime. Resignation is not called for for these offenses for someone who has admitted and apologized.


ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
171. 100% agreement. I'm glad it happened now
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:01 PM
Dec 2017

Rather than later in the process however. I feel bad for Franken, he's a favorite, but he lost the handle on the story immediately. All this was, a takedown of a possible candidate, and the pitbull who's been nipping at the heels, and it was easy. Easy peasy.

K

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
175. You mean 2020, I suspect as much as well
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:18 PM
Dec 2017

Especially with Gillibrand leading the way and Harris closely following.

Problem is neither are terribly talented

scipan

(2,295 posts)
174. I am reminded of Yeats
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:16 PM
Dec 2017

The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

Dems are so spineless.

angrychair

(8,592 posts)
179. I respectfully disagree
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:46 PM
Dec 2017

First, that belittles the significance of coming forth as a victim of sexual misconduct. That is no easy admission. I am a victim of child molestation and admitting that in public is not easy or without it’s own costs, both emotionally and physically.

We can get past this and still be successful. As we saw in the off-year elections a month ago: there are intelligent, committed and well-spoken people out there willing to step up and serve their their community and their country.
This may be the end of one tale but the beginning of so many more.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
189. You don't know the facts, do you?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:07 PM
Dec 2017

There are TWO public accusations: One by the altrightwingnut, who had allegations that he disagreed with and which the photo did not support. He admitted to conducting a practice session with her of a comedy sketch where they had to kiss. Come on, now. That's a stretch.

The second was someone who says in 2006 he tried to kiss her, when he was a DJ on some show..saying that "it was his right as an entertainer" to kiss her. She was able to avoid the kiss & left. HE HAS STRONGLY DENIED THIS HAPPENED, and said that her saying he said that about it being his right is preposterous.

Not really in the same league of what we normally see in public accusers of sexual harassment or molestation or abuse of power. These were two specious things.

I'm inclined to believe all women who PUBLICLY claim molestation. These two incidents are hard to believe. They sound contrived.

Is that all that is required? An allegation of "he tried to kiss me once," and we demand he resign from the Senate? Is that all that is required? There was no abuse of power...he wasn't in a power position. He denies both instances of what they claim. He has NO history of this. An entire group of women he worked with for years have signed a letter verifying his respectful treatment of them.

So...is this all that's required? We don't even wait to catch a breath? No investigation?

This is like a shark frenzy. An overreaction to any claim by anyone, even anonymously. But only on the Democratic Party side. There are no calls for Trump to resign, despite public accusations of I think almost 20 women. Sen. Schumer has called for Franken to resign, but has never called for Trump to resign. Odd, don't you think? Why is that?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
238. One of them says he squeezed her side too hard during a picture oneis a birther. It could be ...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:42 AM
Dec 2017

.. 80 women if this is the type of shit that's being claimed its not worthy of losing a job

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
245. Yes. At HER request, he gets in close to take a pic, and puts hand on her WAIST & grabs too hard.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:37 AM
Dec 2017

She actually said "I don't let my HUSBAND touch me that way!" and called it groping. OMG!

This is a setup. Something's up. A group of women have banded to together against him for some reason, w/o evidence.

Either that, or it's a shark frenzy. Which means these women are incapable of behaving like adults in the midst of a crowd of kids.

This matters. This railroading. This coordinated effort to oust an elected official based on allegations (mild ones) by anonymous people.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
243. Really? Name them. And don't incl. the one that says he put his arm around her waist - groping.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:19 AM
Dec 2017

Seriously. He put his arm on her waist to get close to take a pic...at HER request...that's right. He put his hand on her waist...and she calls that groping. But hey...she got her pic in the paper, right? That's what matters.

As I said, you don't know the facts.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
180. Its so obvious that its GOP sabotage.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:50 PM
Dec 2017

I could puke that anyone who believes this false equivalence to longstanding patterns of sexual assaults on minors by Moore and Dump.

I could scream that anyone is letting themselves be distracted, let alone Democrats demanding Franken’s resignation, all started by this backstabbing assault begun by a reich-wing soft-porn entertainment personality, years after the supposed incident, in which she acted out improprieties with performers on stage.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
186. So obviously a hit job for taking on Sessions.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:43 PM
Dec 2017

Hit job and Dems going along. Will we ever learn? This is how they roll and win.

PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
192. Yeah, I agree. Very sadly, but I agree.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:19 PM
Dec 2017

About these calls from Democrats for Franken to resign:

Some might say the word 'stupid?'

Others might say 'short sighted?'

Oh, and did you know that millennials overwhelmingly favor a third party. The Democrats will have to earn their votes and their commitment. Not to mention that:

Independent voters = 42%
Democrats = 29%
Republicans = 22%

So...what is the party doing to capture those 42% of independents? Demanding that Franken resign while staying silent on Roy Moore and Trump isn't gonna do it. And the millennials, 80 million strong, voting age? They are savvy and cynical, and they quite know bullshit when they see it. And this is it.

Force Franken to resign before the investigation is done, and the Democratic party will lose all momentum going into an election they should sweep.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
195. Yes, it shows lack of strategy and unity. They think it will get the female vote
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:24 PM
Dec 2017

You might say they're pandering to it.

I'd like to hear a solid explanation and so far the spokespeople seem to think it's the obvious thing to do.

NO IT IS NOT

a la izquierda

(11,784 posts)
248. They sure as shit won't get this female's vote.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:08 AM
Dec 2017

And IDGAF if this gets me banned from this site. This is outrageous.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
196. If Franken resigns expect sexual harassment allegations to be the new ratfucking tactic.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:28 PM
Dec 2017

Republicans know their candidates can get away with bad behavior because their voters don't care. Trump proved this as does the fact that Moore might win his race which will be close even if he loses. Democrats are held to a higher standard and the GOP knows that a lot of Democratic voters are fair weather and might stay home if they smear a Democratic candidate enough.

Soxderrube

(37 posts)
221. I agree
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:40 AM
Dec 2017

And the democratic senator of my state Tammy Baldwin is leading the ouster, I am so ashamed, we are DOOMED!

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
223. Same with my senator - Kirsten Gillibrand.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:07 AM
Dec 2017

I always liked her a great deal - she used to be my congresswoman.

Welcome to DU, Soxderrube! We're glad to have you with us!

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
227. If Al stays in, he'll be hit with this issue until 2020
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:37 AM
Dec 2017

Norm Coleman was on some righty show the other day making noise like he might run again - remember Al had a lengthy recount against Coleman in 2008. So there's that. I'd also remind everyone that Al had issues with feminists during his '08 run over a piece he had written for Playboy.

If Al & Conyers had stayed, the Dems would be open to charges of hypocrisy over Moore, the Access Hollywood recording, etc.

I think if he rode it out, he'd survive 2020, but they also know if Conyers and Franken leave, the treatment of women by GOPers like Moore will become a sharp stick in their hind quarters in 2018 -- assuming that we, in fact, have free and fair elections next year. The Dems can rightly claim to have done their own house cleaning.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
230. I don't think they'll gain much with that sharp stick, repugs don't care and independents aren't PC
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:17 AM
Dec 2017

A very bad decision - Al could survive once the media attention moves elsewhere and the claims are proven to be baseless and / or not provable

LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
231. in fact, have free and fair elections next year.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:52 AM
Dec 2017

What have you seen that's given you HOPE that we will have fair elections in 2018?

I've seen not a lot.

Yes, Dems did well in Virginia. They have a Dem governor. And next year, they'll be going to paper ballots and a Dem Gov./Lt. Dem Gov. will be replacing the departing ones. Yes, that's a wonderful improvement and a great victory in Virginia. In NC, there is a Dem governor in place, and a Jim Crow era voter-suppression law died as the Supreme Court would not hear N.C.vs N.C. NAACP ..... case earlier this year. But, did that Jim Crow really die? Chief Justice Roberts wrote a brief opinion strongly implying that laws like this one could survive review, and it'll be before a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, and I don't trust Goursuch as far as I can throw a semi-truck. It's a wait and see concerning NC down the road. As for Texas , courts had ruled that there were voting districts which were drawn in a racist way that hurt a certain part of the population (We know which part of the population those laws hurt) which had to be redrawn by 2018's mid-terms. However, thuglican Gov. Abbot signed a law which once AGAIN will make it difficult for "certain parts of the population" to vote. Those rulings in Texas are so back and fourth/up and down that it's difficult to keep up. Suffice it to say however, that Texas won't be going Dem anytime soon if thuglicans have anything to do with it, and if voter ID laws are strictly enforced like they will be. The current Abbot regime of course doesn't believes in fair voting rights in Texas, because if they did they'd see to it that minorities, the poor, the elderly (Who may not have birth certificates to get ID's) had access to the voter ID's that you need in order to vote there.

Also, there's a huge ruling coming from a right-winged Supreme Court which will more than likely give Wisconsin thuglicans the go ahead to resume their gerrymandering ways, which will take Wisconsin OUT of Dem's hands for the unforeseeable future. Chalk Wisconsin up for thuglicans.

Now, we know that thuglicans WILL continue on with Citizens United. Voter-crosschecking & Voter Id'ing, ANY form of voter-suppression that they can come up with "off the chain" in 2018 to stop Dems votes from counting and to stop them from voting period. We know that our voting machines can be comprised/hacked. That they malfunction. Are not maintained thanks to tRumputin getting rid of laws maintaining them. We also know that the ruskies will continue helping thuglicans and spreading the seeds of discord into our elections. In what way this next time, who knows? I've seen NO upside to moral purity at this time, especially since thuglicans control the collection of votes and of tallying of them. Do you really trust them to count all Dem votes fairly or at ALL? Do you trust tRump, Kris Kobach, Bannon, Roger Stone and that cabal of cheating thugs to be fair to Dems? Do you think thuglicans want to give up all that power to pass tax cuts and get rid of Social Security and Medicare?

Dems can do all the moral high-grounding they want to which they think will get them the Senate, House and Presidency. But, with thuglicans firmly in place and putting their WHOLE bodies on the voting scales, I know whose clock will be getting cleaned by whom in 2018 and 2020. That's if we have elections in 2020. My friend laughs at me when I say that to him, but when I ask him if he ever though that the ruskies would be interfering into our elections to the point of helping tRumputin earn his illegitimate presidential win over Hillary Clinton, he stops laughing. I'll be going Independent in January 2018. I'm tired of watching Dems play Charlie Brown to thuglicans Lucy.

flamingdem

(39,303 posts)
251. Election cheating is where the dems should be aiming their fire not as one of their best Senators
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:53 AM
Dec 2017

I cross my fingers that Mueller can help us - that's where my hope is - and I think election reform should be a number 1 priority

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
236. Trump and cronies will be blasting out that Franken would not have resigned if he wasnt guilty
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 05:24 AM
Dec 2017

Over and over and over again.

Then they’ll say that they and their buddies NOT resigning shows they aren’t guilty.

DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
241. Dems are playing long ball
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:48 AM
Dec 2017

Well at least the gov - Dayton - is a Dem and will appoint a Dem that votes our way. With Franken and Conyers out, the Dems will be able to hit the repubs hard on their family values crap with trump in the White House and Roy Moore in the Senate.

harun

(11,348 posts)
246. Totally agree. Hope he doesn't resign. Those supporting his resignation are despicable.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:42 AM
Dec 2017

Those as in the other Dem Senators.

karin_sj

(805 posts)
249. Totally agree!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:32 AM
Dec 2017

It's infuriating that the Democrats constantly fall for republican dirty tricks and hypocritical finger pointing without any kind of pushback or even a full investigation of the facts. I'm all for taking the high road but not when it's based on unproven (or possibly false or over exaggerated) allegations.

I'm so sick of republicans letting their own get away with the most horrendous crimes and misbehavior just to stay in power, while the Democrats cave immediately—even before they know for sure exactly what happened.

I emailed Senator Franken's office and encouraged him to stay in the Senate, where he is desperately needed as a strong, intelligent, and articulate voice for us. He should not be pushed out without getting all the facts. Nobody should be pushed out over anonymous, unverified accusations. If he's willing to be investigated, they need to do it and shut up about him resigning! Yes, I'm pissed!

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