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Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:19 PM

Just. Too. Damn. Disgusted. To. Bother. Arguing.

Two identified women accuse a liberal senator (who just happens to be a kicker of Republican asses) of groping them and their accounts are found to have some "credibility problems". Then, five more anonymous women supposedly accuse the senator of improprieties ranging from groping to unwelcome kisses. He asks to be investigated by the Senate, but, NO-O-O! That's not good enough for our "we go high" party! In order to "regain the moral high ground", 24 Senators, led by Democratic Senator Gillibrand and armed only with "allegations", today DEMAND Al Franken's resignation. BEFORE any investigation. While Trump continues to squat in the White House. While Moore is supported by the GOP.

Hannity, Bannon, Moore and Trump et Al are laughing their asses off. This may do it. This may be Trump's ticket to not only survival, but a second term with a GOP Congress. I'll be "going dark" for a while as I realize this post is not welcome here.

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Reply Just. Too. Damn. Disgusted. To. Bother. Arguing. (Original post)
Atticus Wednesday OP
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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:22 PM

1. Never doubt that some of us value and share your thoughts on the current clusterfuck. (nt)

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:25 PM

2. gillibrand does not appreciate due process or the right to a fair hearing seems to me. nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:09 PM

47. Even though she says

he is entitled to one?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #47)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:15 AM

103. How's he going to get a fair hearing if he is railroaded before the investigation?

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Response to ollie10 (Reply #103)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:53 AM

113. Short answer:

He's not. Nearly the entire Senate Democratic Caucus wants him gone. Now.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:25 PM

3. I. Am. With. You. (n/t)

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:26 PM

4. I am sick.

And the rest of them better get in line if anonymous accusations is all it takes.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:26 PM

5. AGREE 100%.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:28 PM

6. Your post is welcome with many of US.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:28 PM

7. Which is why you start a whole new thread... right?

Newsflash... IF he resigns tomorrow... everyone will know that he actually did what he is accused of. There is no plausible story spinning that he would resign absent knowing that he's guilty of the conduct for which he is accused.

Hannity, Bannon, Moore and Trump et Al are laughing their asses off


Could be... but that's nothing like the laughing they'll be doing when a dozen DUers continue to defend his innocence AFTER he resigns.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:53 PM

19. i call bs

if he resigns it will be because idiot, spineless dems have convinced him it is for the good of the party

good luck ever finding a candidate that has never touched someone or tried to kiss someone...because those are the only accusations, nothing criminal

barely anything inappropriate has been alledged

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:58 PM

22. Now there's an internal monologue worthy of SNL

How would that conversation go in your imagination? "I know that I didn't do anything wrong and can't possibly be removed for years... but it's "best for the party" (the one that just stabbed me in the back)... so I should step aside.

Yeah... that makes sense

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:26 PM

25. i pray he does not resign but

I can also see where it would be difficult to stay when your supposed colleagues have abandoned you...over NOTHING

THIS WHOLE THING IS THE DEFUNDING OF ACORN ALL OVER AGAIN

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:37 PM

28. It makes perfect sense from a game theoretic perspective.

In the current environment if you can’t disprove an allegation (and maybe even if you can) you are guilty by reason of accusation.

If your primary motivation is the good of the party and you see yourself as hurting the party regardless of outcome removing yourself from the board is the logical play to make.

Sacrificing your queen to relieve a pin and open a line of attack is perfectly rational.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:31 PM

58. Horrible reasoning.

Horrible.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:52 PM

67. So how about explaining how it would

be good for Democrats -- if it's good for the Party it's good for its members. Who are the geniuses who decided this would get us more votes in 2018 and 2020? Indefensible guesswork with no past history to lean on.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:37 PM

92. Or maybe he'll resign because he's fed up with all the BS

I don't want him to resign but I couldn't blame him if he did for that reason.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:06 PM

44. Bullshit

He's being DRIVEN out by spineless morons who call a squeeze to the waist in public the same thing as Moore, the same as fuck me or you're fired, the same as cornering a woman in an office and exposing themselves, the same as asking a woman to put up with lewd and vulgar language in the workplace, the same as forcing yourself on someone who clearly doesn't want you to touch her or him. THOSE are actually harassment.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:23 PM

52. So he's not just falsely accused and put upon... he's stupid?

What kind of person would resign when he knows that he didn't do anything wrong and only apologized to keep from publicly humiliating those lying women?

And let's just ignore the implication that 32 Democratic senators are "spineless morons" while we can't find an unkind word to use for Franken.

by spineless morons who call a squeeze to the waist in public

What I call it is the eighth known accuser (including multiple women who told others at the time who have also backed up the story). I don't think there's a single Democrat who think that by itself grabbing someone at the waist would amount to much... but you seem desperate to pretend that it's the one we need to focus on.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:54 PM

70. So ... how will you feel when he

doesn't resign?

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Response to KPN (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:38 PM

89. I don't think there's much chance of that

There aren't that many Democrats who would call for his resignation unless they knew already that he was doing it and were just being allowed to scoring points.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #89)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:50 AM

110. You seem to have forgotten the shakiness of the first accuser's story, Tweeden,...

and the photo that emerged after she, Roger Stone and Hannity sprung the hit job on Franken with a USO tour, gag photo as evidence of him groping her (on closer review his hands were just hovering over her, after all it was just a posed, gag shot). I'm talking about the picture of her on stage actually groping a guitarist's ass during the same USO tour.

And here's something else about that fishy first attack on Franken: Tom Arnold‏Verified account @TomArnold

To put a button on this the only truth about my old pal Leeann Tweeden’s Al Franken story was the picture. The rest was created by KABC colleague & fellow Trump supporter John Phillips & his bud Roger Stone who coached Leeann for weeks to take Al down. Mission accomplished.
7:29 PM - 6 Dec 2017

And IMO it's naivete to think that they had nothing to do with the rest of the accusers, most anonymous, coming forward, including the last ridiculous accusation of a woman saying Franken "groped" her waist when she asked him to pose with her for a photo.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:51 AM

100. One who is

at the mercy of hysterics who can't handle nuance. The only thing you're going to accomplish by pretending FRANKEN is the same as Donnie is get male employers to throw up their hands and stop hiring women and I can't blame them. Nice going.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:37 PM

123. I certainly wouldn't resign if I was innocent. Its just bullshit.

Im not familiar with anything but the 1st two accusers. And the 1st one accepted his apology and said talk of him resigning was ridiculous. That was good enough for me. Now these later ones that have come up, I'm not up to speed on them. If its similar to the first ones, I wouldn't go anywhere. There has to be a line where this has to stop.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:47 PM

65. "If he resigns". Well, if he doesn't

Pelosi, Schumer, Perez have lost control of the Party, and Gillibrand and Kamari Harris deep-sized their Presidential nominee hopes.

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Response to KPN (Reply #65)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:17 PM

83. He's almost certainly resigning

I don't see 30+ senators calling for a resignation from their own party unless they already know it's happening

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:46 PM

93. It's not about defending innocence. . .

It's about defining the severity of guilt. If Franken is guilty of the actions his accusers allege, his behavior still does not fit a reasonable standard for charges of "assault", "harassment" or "abuse". Such non-criminal behaviors can be called out and the feelings of those who have been offended can be recognized and validated.

What other recompense is required? Are any of the Senator's accusers in need of therapy to deal with some form of trauma as a result of their interactions with him? Have their careers been negatively impacted?

Senator Franken has pledged to do better, to be more cognizant of his physical interactions with women in the public sphere, which-- for a politician-- is essentially his professional sphere. That should be enough to allow him to go about his job of serving his voters. Unfortunately, it is not enough for those seeking their pound of flesh.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:37 AM

96. I completely disagree.

I would know nothing except that the GOP won. He may be guilty, he may be innocent. But if he’s innocent and the GOP is bent on coming up with a new anonymous accuser every time the news switches to a different topic, what choice does he have? Plenty of people plead guilty to crimes they didn’t commit because they see no other way out.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:28 PM

8. This almost 70 yr old woman agrees with you.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:29 PM

9. Think "ACORN". Think "Swiftboat". Everybody getting the picture? n/t

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:49 PM

32. Bingo

You nailed it!

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:52 PM

36. Don't forget Shirley Sherrod.

For many Democrats, to be accused by the right wing is to be guilty.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:29 PM

56. This is also the REPUBLICAN PARTY trying to justify everyone aka Both Parties do it...

which is fucking Bullshit.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:35 PM

60. Exactly. n/t

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:57 PM

73. I don't see them getting tRump out?

plus the stupid imbecile is causing unrest among the Palestinians to move the fucking US embassy to Jerusalem. He has no clue with what he just did. I hate this imbecile.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #73)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:59 PM

75. So how long before Trump calls himself "a god" ....

He is fucking delusional!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #75)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:21 PM

122. His most sycophantic followers call him "God Emperor"

A callback to the Dune series, but they're pretty serious about it.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:56 PM

72. Exactly.

What a bunch of dupes -- or they want Frankenstein gone anyway.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:31 PM

10. I completely agree with you.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:35 PM

11. I feel exactly the same way, and appreciate your post.

I may go dark because I can't take much more of this shit.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:36 PM

12. Just for once, I'd like to see the Democrats FIGHT.

That is all I have to say.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:36 PM

13. Can you share the details

of the 2nd accuser's credibility problems? I've missed it. And I just got finished reading this article which unfortunately has me leaning anti-Franken: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029935646

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:12 PM

49. Roger Stone is all I needed to see in that article

to tell the story was not believable. Just google and read about Lee Atwater, that will tell you all you need to know. They are kings of dirty tricks.

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:21 PM

51. Okay, but that's not an answer to my question

But thanks anyway.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:39 PM

14. I'm with you

I'm sick about it, but ratfucking seems to be the rule of the day.

Anonymous accusations can bring anyone down now...as long as they have a D after their name.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:41 PM

15. I Agree - A "Stone" Job

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:49 PM

16. I agree

Ironic how the Republicans have gotten the Democrats to do their dirty work for them.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:50 PM

17. This is called a circular firing squad. We're firing inward and Repugs firing outward.

What the hell has happened to due process?

Is justice in the US now processed via trial by Twitter and internet blog?


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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:51 PM

18. Please don't "go dark," Atticus. Not all of us find your post unwelcome.

I, for one, find it absolutely spot-on, and hope you will continue to express your opinions (and mine) with your customary eloquence and precision. If anyone ever has been tried and convicted with very little evidence and no - NO - due process, it's Senator Franken.
I wish he'd write another book so I could buy it and add it to my collection.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:54 PM

20. He wasnt accused of unwanted kissing

He was accused of secretly wanting to kiss a woman but kissing her on the cheek instead;

recently he was accused of NOT kissing a total stranger in the same building (but secretly wanting to);

and accused of performing a well-rehearsed skit in which two actors kissed, on stage, for an audience.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:54 PM

21. A lot of us agree with you

It's ludicrous. A dark day in the Dem party.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:02 PM

23. Agree completely with your OP.

There is no way to make any sense out of why the Democrats are doing this to Franken.

It's like forcing a prize fighter to take a dive.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:14 PM

24. DO NOT RESIGN!!!!

 

Phone: (202) 224-5641 CALL AL FRANKEN AND TELL HIM DO NOT RESIGN!!!!!

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Response to SJMULE (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:55 PM

71. Done! I called.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:31 PM

26. WE ARE SO FUCKED.

Your have an endorsed pedophile and sexual assaulter in the white house but you demand the resignation of a guy who has phantom accusers. fuckity fucking fuck.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:34 PM

27. I am joining you in the dark...

Fuck this shit already. There is zero chance that Al Franken should go as long as Trump darkens the Oval Office, period.

This is handing the arsonists on the right a flamethrower to use against us, and do not doubt for a second that they will use...

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:41 PM

29. I agree with you completely.

But if we go dark aren’t we giving up ? As might be the goal.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:43 PM

30. PLs stick around. We need people to combat the ridiculous naivete of some who fall...

for obvious repug hit jobs.

We should be discounting Tweeden, the first accuser's account, where she submitted a gag photo that alleged Senator Franken groped her but upon closer review showed he wasn't actually touching her at all?

But a photo did emerge as the story developed of her actually groping a guitar player's ass on the same USO tour? Is everyone forgetting that, that she actually did grope someone but wasn't pilloried like Franken was.

Not to mention the fact that she, Roger Stone and Hannity concocted the whole hit job, with Stone predicting what was coming hours before the story broke.

Come on folks, a little analytical thinking is required if we're not to make all of our male office holders and candidates vulnerable to what seems like a repug test run for their latest dirty tricks tactic.

The first incident that started the drip, drip, drip of the others sounds very suspicious, folks.

Let's be smarter than to throw our accused Democrats under the bus without the investigaton Franken himself called for and from which Tweeden immediately back off of by saying it wasn't necessary and she didn't want him to resign.

What was she scared of us finding out?

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:44 PM

31. I agree with your statements.

When will Democrats learn to fight, I'm so tired of them bringing their "high ground" bullshit to the gun fight. We need to fight like our lives depend on it, cause IT DOES

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:50 PM

33. DON'T RESIGN! This is unfair! I say that as a feminist who hates harassers. But THIS is unfair and

uncalled for.

I'm taking names of politicians who insisted he resign without insisting on knowing the facts. Those people who have done that? They're followers. They are afraid they'll get in trouble politically for not jumping on the bandwagon.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:51 PM

34. I totally get how you feel. Right now, I don't know how much more of this shit I can take.

I really feel like this past year has taken a toll on my physical and mental health and this may have been the last straw. I may need to take some time off for my own well being.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:51 PM

35. Im really sickened by this. If he did this, he

Should pay in some way. But “anonymous”accusers take him down and chief gropes a lot and Mr “I like teenagers” are still in power.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:53 PM

37. I agree

I hope he doesn't resign.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:53 PM

38. So

Moore hasn't been found guilty of anything either. Should we drop the whole thing about him being a predator?

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:11 PM

48. Get lost

50 posts and all you want to do is defend a child molester. That pig claims he doesn't even know the brave women who came forward and the woman he called a liar has a mountain of evidence otherwise. Not to mention any 30 something man that openly claims he sought a CHILD'S mothers permission to date her is a degenerate.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:48 PM

66. Brava!!

Indeed!

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:19 PM

50. moore is a pedophile ............

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:08 PM

79. Isn't there a bit more corroboration of those allegations vs. the Franken ones?

I mean, yeah, nobody's filed charges against Moore either but we have other stories like him being banned from the mall and being watched by police when at high school games that seem to indicate that the allegations against him are more credible (and serious) than those against Franken.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:54 PM

39. No need to go dark. I think you are expressing the prevaling sentiment.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:59 PM

40. I agree 100%

But I have no intention of leaving here or getting cowed by anyone. Not that I blame you for not wanting to bother.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:03 PM

41. I feel the same way, and I'm a woman.. I just sent him an email asking him NOT TO RESIGN

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Response to secondwind (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:05 PM

43. So did I. n/t

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Response to secondwind (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 05:39 AM

102. So did I.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:05 PM

42. It is very reasonable that Franken could be innocent and still resign.

If his own party refuses to afford him due process, then he may elect to pursue another career. He fought hard for us, but his name is getting dragged through the mud. I can't believe how few people refuse to even consider the possibility that this was a hit job.

Bannon described it today,when he projected onto the democrats that we were bringing false charges agains Roy Moore, and weaponizing sexual assault charges, he put it out there for all to see what the Republicans are doing.

Why are we always so weak?

At the very least, make Franken's resignation contingent upon Trump's resignation.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:08 PM

45. This is a visceral pain for me. Al just cant quit

The right wing are abusive bullies and they always get to set the narrative because of money, donors and corporate power. I am sick about this. I hope he does not give in! His actions were silly antics not intended for sexual gratification, way different than the likes of Moore Et al.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:09 PM

46. Move over, Atticus, Ill sit by you!...

Let the ethics committee, which Franken openly suggested, do their job, giving him due process along the way.

On a day when Paul Ryan is openly gleeful about destroying Medicare and stealing our money, the first spawn of the Cretin is testifying behind closed doors, and a major statement about “capital”izing Jerusalem is being ignored so that all anyone is talking about is the Democratic Party shooting themselves in the face with a gun loaded by Republicans, I question how we will EVER as a political party regain any hope of helping our country avoid mass destruction.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:26 PM

53. Answer them back!!!! Call, tweet, facebook-lots of people are. We need a roar. This is bullshit.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:28 PM

54. We stay

On the high side and get our asses kicked every election and lose the best we have ...Great party this D, really really know how to win..NOT

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:29 PM

55. +1,000

I absolutely agree with you. And, these same 'courageous' Senators and House members aren't demanding Trump resign, are they? Or that the RNC get rid of Roy Moore? I've got some real, hard issues with this bullshit. I hear Pelosi and Steny on the impeachment vote, because we need to be focusing on making sure the tax scam doesn't get signed, but WHY IN HELL are these same people asking Franken to resign? I guess this whole day rates a big, huge, "WHAT THE FUCK?"

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:20 PM

84. Exactly, those same dems give the republicans a pass. I never hear them opining for any

republicans to resign. They go after none of them while the republicans pound, insult and bully democrats daily on Radio and TV.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:31 PM

57. No argument from me.

I may get piled on for this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

As an ex-Republican, and now Democrat, I am always still amazed that our Dems in power still haven't gotten it through their heads that anything, anything, any negative words or actions against the party will be seized on, immediately, and used by the Republicans. Like saying impeachment is off the table. Fuck that. Not only should impeachment be on the table, it should be the appetizer, main course and dessert. Franken was set up.

When your enemy shows you that he is an expert at knot-tying, you don't hand him rope. The party in power proves hourly that they will stand by any act or action that benefits them, including treason.

There's a lot of truth to don't be your own worst enemy.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:31 PM

59. I'm going to listen to some music. That always seems to help

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:36 PM

61. Agree.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:37 PM

62. Welcome

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:38 PM

63. I'm with you. Totally disgusted with this whole situation..

right or wrong Republicans stick together. Democrats run away with their tails between their legs as soon as there's a sign of trouble. How about fighting back for a change? Try it.. we may just win.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:47 PM

64. I e-mailed Franken and asked him not to resign

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:53 PM

68. I am absolutely livid.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:54 PM

69. Senator Franken

I know if you resign you'll have no worries about income, healtcare or lifeunder Trump.

But for those of us not as fortunate, losing you WILL be a death sentence for some. At least with you in office it will be a strong voice againt the tyranny of this current administration.

With you gone, we older Americans stand to lose (without a decent advocate) welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Pensions, Social Security and maybe even our lives.

If you go, the odds are very good the Republicans will totally destroy anything we Americans have worked for, fought for or wished for. If you stay, while you can't guarantee that won't happen, we need to trust you to do your best, as you have done these last years to help out those of us who can't afford a life of even modest luxury.

I can probably cite 7 or 8 (questionable) reasons you could go. And I can't think of why, after being slurred by anonymous people AND your own party, you'd want to stay...but stay anyway...at least for us.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:57 PM

74. I feel the same.

This is insanity. Franken should NOT resign.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #74)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:00 PM

76. So many of us feel this way

It can only be internal politics driving this.

I find it shameful if it's about getting points to run for Potus or other short term thinking reasons.

They think we can beat Moore by destroying one of our best? Herd mentality, they're not thinking straight.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #76)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:02 PM

77. I know.

There must be something behind the scenes we don’t know.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:07 PM

78. I agree with you.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:12 PM

80. All of us except the trolls are with you.

I think this thing with Franken is a set-up from start to finish. There's a huge difference between a man involved in comedy skits, and a pedophile. Unless, of course, you're a republican, and as Rachel reminds us regularly, IOKIYAR.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:12 PM

81. For some reason, we're unable to see a nakedly orchestrated political assassination for what it is.

And we'll take out one of the most effective Senators we've got in the face of a perversion of the recently heightened sensitivity to sexual harassment.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #81)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:20 AM

105. This is all about Gillebrand For President 2020

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Response to ollie10 (Reply #105)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:22 AM

107. Bad call then. I'm a reasonably generous Democratic donor . . .

And if Franken goes, my wallet snaps shut.

I won't support Democrats who won't support Democrats.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #107)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:32 AM

109. I think we need to take names

If any of these Lynch Mob Democrats tries to run in the primaries, I will NOT support them.

We know who they are.

As for Gillebrand....she also wanted Bill Clinton to resign.....

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:13 PM

82. K&rR nt

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:24 PM

85. I'm so depressed lately. All this is really harming my health.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:25 PM

86. AGREED

I am a 66 old woman and I completely agree. What happened to the senate investigation? Why do only the republicans practice, in the words of Bertie Wooster, 'stout denial and the democrats fall all over themselves to give-up.
The only saving grace is that the governor is a democrat so will appoint another democrat.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:27 PM

87. Totally agree!

Let the investigation proceed and find out the facts. I am so sick of the spineless Dems! Franken is threat to the Repugnants and they are laughing their asses off at he Dems reaction to allegations. Their are different levels of harassment starting with slaps on the asses or friendly banter to rape, loss of job due to not wanting to do sexual favors and child molestation. Franked is on the low end of this if the accusers are telling the truth. Republicans support a child molester and a know sexual predator in chief. We're screwed!!!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:28 PM

88. If he is basically forced to resign I am done

 

I will leave the democratic party and put money towards other ground level politicians that run a liberal campaign and are not affiliate with the democratic party.

And anyone that knows me would have their jaw hit the floor to jear that statement.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:44 PM

90. Your sentiment is shared by many

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:17 PM

91. Why are Dems always loading the guns for the Repubs?

I want an investigation of him before I make a judgment.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:50 PM

94. Ya know what I like abut posts like this? I can click on the number of recs and see . . . .

. . . . . a nice, neat list of people I agree with.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:22 AM

95. Agree 100%

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:44 AM

97. Your voice is welcome, and I share your outrage.

This is wrong, and the fascists are indeed, laughing their collective asses off. I am disgusted as well. Fucking idiots!!! Arrgh.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:17 AM

98. unwelcome? no

agree. i've been tweeting the senator repeatedly not to resign and hope like hell he will not, and am thoroughly disgusted by the democrats piling on this bunch of shit.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:33 AM

99. I, too

 

am alarmed at the lack of unity on this forum. Alarmed so much I came back after years of just following. Al Franken should not resign no matter how many senators call for him too. These accusers, let's see their bank accounts for any recent deposits! Al called for an investigation. Why convict him before the trial? This stinks of a Rove/Stone hit job.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 05:09 AM

101. It is welcome to me

Agree with you completely.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:16 AM

104. The anonymous accusers may not even be women for all we know....

...same goes for the rest of their stories. One of them might be Donald J Trump himself!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:20 AM

106. I heard one of the Senators say that she took the allegations seriously because of "numerocity."

Apparently the magic number to take down Democrats is eight, then numerocity kicks in.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:23 AM

108. Im with you Atticus...

This is just too much for me to take. I’m beyond disgusted. The daily outrage fatigue has become overwhelming- and now this...from the very people who should believe in due process and not participate in a political mob lynching.

I’m losing hope.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:00 AM

111. Does Senator Gillibrand et al realize she's severing our base?

This is not a religion, this is war.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #111)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:24 AM

114. I'm done with THEM. Period full stop!

I have voted in every election since I turned 18. I'm now nearly 71. I've donated money to Democratic candidates starting at a point in my life when I had a few extra dollars. Wrote the last check (actually PayPal) just last week.

But this capitulation to help destroy a strong voice is the final straw.

I know my small donations and single vote will not make or break anyone.

But I'm tired of being insulted by a gutless party.

FU*K!!!!!!!!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:31 AM

112. Couldn't be madder

…at the Dems than I am now.

Call Gillibrand TODAY: 212-688-6262

I'm disgusted.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:23 AM

115. I feel the same way you do.

Kirsten Gillibrand is awesome but she’s gone down a seriously misguided road that hurts us all. I’m so disappointed and feel like I could barf.

I am.....tired. I don’t know what to do, except buckle down on my Buddhist practice.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:49 AM

116. Atticus

From the remarks, most of US agree. Senator Franken should not resign, unless there is more to the accusations than what has been uncovered.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:10 PM

117. I fully expect all the DU accounts that have been calling for Franken to resign

to now turn and attack the GOP with the same zeal as they employed on Al.


Not really, I'm not going to hold my breath, as I expect that many accounts will go silent until the next opportunity to seed division here.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:31 PM

118. 226 recommends, seems pretty welcome to me. Nt

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:45 PM

119. It is certainly very frustrated

Sad day for democrats

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:02 PM

120. K & R

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:15 PM

121. We are fucked. Thoroughly.

If I were younger, I’d be looking to move to Vancouver, BC or Nelson, NZ. But I’m 68 and don’t make the cut (on several counts) for citizenship elsewhere.

I’ve been a registered, voting and donating Democrat since 1971. I’m about done, I have no fight left in me. Democrats have been self-immolating for decades. 32 states now have top-to-bottom GOP rule. There are the Kochs, Sheldon Adelson, the Mercers, Citizens United. SCOTUS is right-wing for the next 20-odd years. There are also too many additional lower-level, lifetime judgeships being confirmed that they will be interpreting the law for decades. The right wing has its own 25/7 news network, and countless radio personalities. They have plotted and planned for decades, content to play the “long game,” and now, with control over all three branches of government, they are running the table.

And Democrats? They’ll always have ideological purity. But that’s all.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:49 PM

124. I am sick to my stomach...

that Franken has been thrown under the bus by so many fellow Dems. I may have to leave the Democratic Party over this. I mean that.

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