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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"ME, TOO." I have been harassed, groped, and raped.
I have been harassed in the past, my boobs grabbed (which I would call groping), and there was a rape years ago.
As for Franken...are you fuckin' KIDDIN' ME? "He put his hand on my waist & grabbed flesh" is what an "accuser" calls groping? Are you f'in kiddin' me?
"He tried to kiss me!" ARE YOU F'IN KIDDIN' ME? (BTW, he says this is categorically untrue...her story is preposterous.)
Some women may need to read storie of REAL harassment, groping, and rape, to understand what it is. Watch the television accounts of Roy Moore's accusers.
Most of these women accusing Franken are anonymous. I can't see their televised allegations, and neither can you. We don't even know who they are. I wouldn't have believed Cosby's accusers if they were anonymous and said "He tried to kiss me" and that's it.
This is a shark frenzy. The sharks are going bananas eating their own, in the frenzy of the blood-filled waters, without regard to truth or logic or facts. One wonders why. Why throw their lion in the water to be eaten? Jealousy? Maybe so. The Senate is a club. It's possible that the one who shone during the hearings and became the most popular Senator in the nation...his name was bandied about as a possible Presidential candidate. It's very plausible there's some jealousy there, and some do not want interference with their chosen one(s) for the next Presidential election. Just trying to guess at this nonsensical approach.
Zoonart
(11,747 posts)and we are allowing them to do it.
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)We keep handing them new ammunition boxes.
Zoonart
(11,747 posts)legitimizing their false equivalence. If we force Franken out without a hearing, and without calling for Trumps ouster on sexual assault charges with equal fervor,
we are indeed allowing them to steer us. I have no idea how many internet bots are driving this story. We are giving them the key to drop any spurious accusation on any member of our caucus they should choose, because we denied Franken his hearing.
If we want to prove our moral superiority as a party, then Al should have his inquiry.
ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)I completely agree with what you said. But, we're not JUST allowing them. We keep handing them more magazines full of ammo. We're not allowing them to weaponize it. We're helping them use the darned weapon.
Sorry... we ARE vehemently agreeing. I am just barely keeping the lid on this morning. LOL
Wounded Bear
(58,436 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,413 posts)Both are appropriate, i think.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)On stage, while being filmed, while 1000 people were watching us. But it was sexual assault because I secretly knew that he WANTED to kiss me on the lips.
Al Franken and his defenders arent the offensive part of that accusation.
Theres politics involved. Laziness and ignorance. Jealousy, too. Mostly I think its cowardice. Defending Franken would be hard and would quite possibly backfire among the voters who get their news from CNN, which is also too cowardly to bother any substantive discussion of the allegations.
Instead they repeat ludicrous claims from Republican political operatives and anonymous people contacting bloggers infamous for falling for rape hoaxes. Because talking about that might be hard and theyre cowards.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and NOW they are getting lots of tv time about the Franken thing, and once he's gone, he'll stop being the focus of the cameras.
That won't work for me. I will remember who did what.