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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHolmes: A first year graduate student gets 90 packages at his workplace?
Even over the course of a year, that is one helluva lot of "packages" for someone barely into graduate study. WTF? Didn't anyone confront him with "What on earth are you ordering that is being sent here so regularly?" Using University resources for mail delivery, etc., someone should have wondering what was going on. A small link in a huge chain of tragedy.
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Home delivery is problematic if you work because it will either require the package to be left outside the residence where it will be subject to possible theft or have to be picked up later at the PO/UPS whatever..
It's just easier and more secure for a lot of people to get their packages at work.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)My apartment complex has an office so it's not a problem for me.
Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)Some of my coworkers do the same. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)And get two to four packages a month.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)-..__...
(7,776 posts)Sounds too good to be true.
I'll bet the deals look enticing, but you end up paying more with the shipping and handling fees added in.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)but not much you can do about that. You can't open someone's mail on a hunch. Or incarcerate them for receiving too many care-packages.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Homeless or brown, open and incarcerate away baby..
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)without a warrant.
/seeing a lot of support for fascism following this event.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You evidently are more interested in theory..
Unless you are wealthy enough to fund an extended court fight out of pocket you actually have very few if any rights, skin color is really more or less irrelevant any more, I was being sardonic about that..
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)without any cause?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's all about wealth and class these days, of course the great majority of the wealthy in the USA are white but that's just an accident of history..
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)without cause?
/also when did grad students become wealthy? That certainly hasn't been my experience.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)There are wealthy grad students. How do you know he wasn't one?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Not the person who claimed the police open the mail of poor people all the time without a warrant?
/grad students, the new 1%
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)But once you start straying off into hyperbole, you effectively (not actually mind you) undercut your previously rational statements.
Just calling you out on it. The way you called others out on theirs.
That's why it's called a discussion board. We discuss things.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)unless someone else can prove that rich people don't get their mail searched while poor people do.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)n/t
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)but since he left I don't think it matters either way.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Really, you just said that?
otohara
(24,135 posts)Wow, there so cheap.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)votedems999
(10 posts)the guns are disguised as antiques...under federal law, any gun over 10 yrs old is an antique...plenty of operational tommy guns are available on ebay..but, they are not cheap...many have been made non-functional by a wood peg in the barrel...how easy is that to remove? real easy
belcffub
(595 posts)http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/
10 years... um... no... no such law...
and I search ebay... did not see any firearms... which is their policy... ebay is not gun friendly...
and de-milling a firearm requires more then a wooden dowel...
give me a link to an ebay tommy gun with a wooden dowel down the barrel... would love to see that...
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)belcffub
(595 posts)I see lots of stocks... some sights... some magazine followers...
so I can use the stock as a club to beat someone... laser sights to blind them... mag followers... ummm.. could grind them up and feed them to someone...
ok... yup all real lethal
I stand by my post...
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Not gun friendly would be nothing gun related at all.
They are still making a profit off guns.
Otherwise, I agree.
belcffub
(595 posts)this change in policy was about six months ago... still the parts they allow are the most benign "gun parts" you can... they are still not gun friendly...
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Wrong.
plenty of operational tommy guns are available on ebay..
Also wrong.
...many have been made non-functional by a wood peg in the barrel...
BATFE regulations require the frame or receiver of a weapon to be flame-cut into at least three pieces for the weapon to be considered legally non-functional.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)And made this up.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)I can only assume you are a reporter?
/the suspect used an automatic military style revolver with a silencer and modifications that make the bullets come out faster (at exactly the speed necessary to kill cops and children). . .
This has to be a troll account. Nobody is that clueless.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Personal favorite "wtf?" encounter there lately was an obviously-wallhangery katana that was being billed as "a cavalry saber identical to the one hitler wore when invading germany."
I can see someone labelling, say, a Garand as an assault rifle on sites like that.
Or a Lee-Enfield. Or a Brown Bess.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... so I wonder what you found that "..there (sic) so cheap"?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)found only airsoft guns.
"There" cheap sure, but also fire plastic pellets that couldn't even kill a squirrel.
votedems999
(10 posts)it was through a federal firearms dealer....no ID required...I have no idea why he needed a gun..he does not hunt! I don't speak to him much.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...a copy of my Federal Firearms License, and my state-issued driver's license.
A person without an FFL can buy firearms by mail order, but the weapon has to be shipped to a federally licensed firearms dealer. That dealer won't let you take possession of the weapon until you complete the federal paperwork and provide ID.
soccer1
(343 posts)you purchase firearms online that are bought from a person or business within your state of residence? I have read that all the paperwork is only required if the goods are shipped crossing state lines.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)If you live in a state that allows private transfers of USED firearms without documentation, then the transaction you describe could take place. But not from a dealer, it would have to be from an unlicensed individual.
soccer1
(343 posts)I do.
belcffub
(595 posts)he didn't buy a gun online from a dealer no ID required... if he wasn't a dealer it would have had to been shipped to a local dealer who would have done the background check and check ID's
and if you have real information that about an illegal transaction why have you not contacted the police...
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)Silly me...happy to be clueless on the guns.
They look like guns.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)something to keep in mind.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)n/t
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Then there would have been plenty of red flags that a newbie "gun enthusiast" was purchasing a number of firearms, ammunition, and a 100 round drum magazine over a fairly short period of time. And perhaps, based on those red flags, someone from LE or ATF had paid him a visit and asked "hey dude, whats up?", and maybe talked to his parents, boss, and academic counsoler, maybe just maybe.....
hack89
(39,171 posts)will prevent such crimes.
Why limit such government power to guns - there is a lot of criminal activity out there.
Perhaps you can use the Patriot Act as the basis for such a system.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)And maybe those same folks can watch a list of the books you order on-line, just in case they see a trend they find questionable or inappropriate. Then they can pay you a visit and say. "Hey, what's up Dude?" If the Repubs are in control at the time, maybe the authorities will take you "downtown" for "questioning" about what websites you visit and what books you are reading? All in the name of "security" of course. And all reasonable and effective.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)In order to buy a gun from somebody far away & have the gun shipped, the shipper has to take the gun to a licensed gun dealer, who takes care of shipping the gun... to another licensed gun dealer close to the buyer. The buyer then stops at the recipient gun dealer, and does his Brady check before he's allowed to take possession of the weapon.
I have no idea what Holmes was having shipped to his workplace.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)While the recipient has to have an FFL, the sender does not if they are shipping a long gun through the mail. Handguns can be sent by someone without an FFL (to someone with an FFL) if they go through UPS or Fedex.
That having been been said, these are the Federal rules. I understand there are states which have the more restrictive rules that you just described.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)2 at Bass Pro Shop, and 2 at another local retailer. It was reported that he bought the ammo in small lots by mail order... that might have been the case for the drum magazine and body armor also.
votedems999
(10 posts)The FBI is so racist against Islam...thank god they are not looking over everyone at Colorado if you are white...but still, I can't see why the feds missed this one!
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Do you think there are Feds somewhere monitoring the contents of every package being sent to every purchaser from every site on the internet? Really?
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)If you are receiving packages that need a signature then work is the best place to do it since you are not home during the day.
Even with 20/20 hindsight this doesn't seem like a piece of this puzzle that would have prompted anyone to think "hmmm, gets a lot of packages at work so he must be planning to shoot up a movie theater."
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)n/t
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Daily UPS delivery + place of business- saves shippers a dollar or two, which they appreciate. Plus I can sign for it, and its not left on my doorstep.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Seriously, "confronting" someone for receiving parcels because they, in your opinion, aren't in a demographic that should be allowed to do such things without being interrogated?
frylock
(34,825 posts)anything from motorcycle tires to complete bicycles, as well as other big-ticket items like cameras. i would take offense if anyone from work were to ask "What on earth are you ordering that is being sent here so regularly?" my answer would be nunya damn business.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Lots of things slip by...
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Unless the packages were marked "CAUTION: EXPLOSIVES", it would have been none of anyone else's damned business what he was ordering. There have been periods of time when I did quite a bit of online ordering and had my packages delivered to me at work since I wouldn't be at home to accept them. And I would have taken considerable umbrage at such nosiness.