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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease tell me Jones will be immediately sworn in.
Please tell me he and Corker and Collins will stop the GOP tax bill next week.
Total defeat of McConnell/Ryan and Trump's legislative initiative.
Does someone know when Jones starts? Haven't seen anything about the timing.
BumRushDaShow
(127,298 posts)and that supposedly won't happen until near the end of the month.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Granted, the MN election was much closer, but it was also to fill an empty seat. Strange remains the AL Senator until replaced, so I wouldn't expect the GOP ruled Alabama Secretary of State office to be in any hurry to certify, offer a secret discount rate on a budget recount. Because the recount will be done on the cheap, it won't be very fast, you see. We's gots to cahnnsider thuh cahnseequences, doanchaknow.
In the meantime, Strange will be voting GOP on every bill.
BumRushDaShow
(127,298 posts)him and Norm Coleman who refused to concede.
When Arlen Specter here in PA switched parties and they finally seated Franken, it was full-speed ahead.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,298 posts)avebury
(10,946 posts)they won't feel a rush to certify the votes until towards the end of month. Why help the Democrats if you don't have to.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)He is a fucking dick and people will have to get out in the streets and protest.
Senate policy requires Jones assume office the instant one of them wins the election. But the craven majority leader doesnt want to lose on the tax plan. Instead he wants appointee Luther Strange to stay and vote for tax cuts for the rich.
Lock the traitors up already!
onenote
(42,374 posts)can be seated.
It's not McConnell's decision, its because of the Senate's rules and the process in Alabama under which it takes around ten days before an election is certified.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)onenote
(42,374 posts)not because of some lawless action.
The claim in that article that it is "a flagrant violation of Senate policy, which requires Jones or Moore assume office the instant one of them wins the election" is, to put it bluntly, a lie. The Senate rules are clear that the Secretary of the Senate has to receive and accept the certification by the Secretary of State of the state in which the newly elected Senator resides.
Case in point: When Governor Blagojevich named Roland Burris to fill Obama's Senate seat, the Secretary of the Senate initially refused to accept the certification of that appointment because it lacked the signature of the Illinois Secretary of State. After the courts ruled that the certification was nonetheless valid, the Secretary of the Senate had no choice but to accept it and Burris was seated.
Another example: Scott Brown was elected to the Senate in a special election held January 19, 2010. He wasn't seated until February 4, 2010.
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)Franken really does resign, there is o guarantee that his replacement will ever be sworn in.
onenote
(42,374 posts)There is no way that Franken's replacement is not seated so long as that person is at least 30 years old, has been an inhabitant of the US for 9 years, and is a resident of Minnesota. And the appointment is made by the Governor.
People should stop spreading tin foil lies here.
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)"...A few years after the Powell decision, the Supreme Court clearly affirmed the right of the
Senate to make the final and conclusive determination concerning the election process and the
seating of its own Members. In the case of contests or challenges properly raised concerning the
election or selection of a Senator, the Court affirmed the constitutional authority for an
independent evaluation by the Senate of the selection of those presenting themselves for
membership. Roudebush v. Hartke, 405 U.S. 15, 25-26 (1972). "
I am hope I am wrong...but it should be considered. I don't believe Franken should resign before 18...
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)rgbecker
(4,806 posts)Anyway the Democrats can delay the vote on the tax bill? Could they refuse to show up and thus no quorum?
Thanks for the link.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)But I don't think a quorum is required. Just a majority so if all Republicans show up and vote for the bill it will pass.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,904 posts)Quorum for both chambers is majority. So 218 in the House and 51 in the Senate. Not sure on House rule, but the Senate rules assume there is quorum at all times unless there is a roll call or quorum call that shows otherwise.
wishstar
(5,267 posts)So he will definitely not be in Senate until after Christmas and probably not until January since timing depends on speed of Alabama officials who by law can drag their feet on certification until January, which is likely scenario.
still_one
(91,947 posts)If the Senate receives the reconciliation from the House this year, there is no doubt it will be voted on without the newly elected Alabama Senator.
However, if the house reconciliation does not meet the concern of 2 or 3 republican Senators, then there is a good chance that it won't happen this year.
However, I would be surprised if those involved in the reconciliation process did not address those concerns, because they realize that that it would even be more difficult if this went into next year.
This is why some failed to realize why there was a very small window to get the ACA passed, and it was either getting something through, or they would have nothing, and that would have meant SCHIPS, expanded Medicaid, subsidies for those under a certain income, and elimination of pre-existing conditions would have never happened.
The votes were not at the time for single payer or a public option. The blue dog Democrats at the time made it clear they would not vote for the bill if single payer or a public option was incorporated, and the Democrats needed every Democratic vote to get the foot in the door, or have nothing
BumRushDaShow
(127,298 posts)which is why there were 2 separate bills voted on to equal the "PPACA". The first in December 2009 that had the 60 Dem/Indie votes and the 2nd "with fixes" reconciliation bill with 59 Dem/Indie votes that was passed in March 2010.