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rgbecker

(4,806 posts)
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:24 AM Dec 2017

Please tell me Jones will be immediately sworn in.

Please tell me he and Corker and Collins will stop the GOP tax bill next week.

Total defeat of McConnell/Ryan and Trump's legislative initiative.

Does someone know when Jones starts? Haven't seen anything about the timing.

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Please tell me Jones will be immediately sworn in. (Original Post) rgbecker Dec 2017 OP
AL has to certify the election BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #1
They managed to fuck Al Franken for 6 months when he was elected in a close race... Thor_MN Dec 2017 #14
OMG I remember that BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #17
WTF?!?! Prolly to force tax bill through... I'm callin' bullshit on that one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #16
Here's a good article on it BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #20
With the tax bill vote pending and a Republican SOS in Alabama avebury Dec 2017 #2
Need to use every tactic to stop this bullshit... the Alabama voters have spoken!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #18
McConnell plans to illegally not seat Jones. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #3
That is not true. The Senate rules require state certification before a newly elected Senator onenote Dec 2017 #5
According to Bloomberg reporter McConnell announced his plan to not seat Jones. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #9
he was also not going to seat Moore had he won DrDan Dec 2017 #11
McConnell's statement is true because of the Senate rules onenote Dec 2017 #15
He won't be sworn in until after the tax bill...and I am warning once more that if Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #4
That's nonsense. onenote Dec 2017 #7
It really isn't that unlikely. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #23
Here's an article bluecollar2 Dec 2017 #6
RATS! rgbecker Dec 2017 #10
Not very knowledgeable bluecollar2 Dec 2017 #12
There has to be a way to stop this insanity!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #19
No DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2017 #22
Alabama rules stipulate certification no earlier than Dec 26 or later than Jan 3 wishstar Dec 2017 #8
It isn't going to happen until Alabama certifies the election, and that won't happen until next year still_one Dec 2017 #13
THIS BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #21
It was close, thanks still_one Dec 2017 #24
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
14. They managed to fuck Al Franken for 6 months when he was elected in a close race...
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:46 AM
Dec 2017

Granted, the MN election was much closer, but it was also to fill an empty seat. Strange remains the AL Senator until replaced, so I wouldn't expect the GOP ruled Alabama Secretary of State office to be in any hurry to certify, offer a secret discount rate on a budget recount. Because the recount will be done on the cheap, it won't be very fast, you see. We's gots to cahnnsider thuh cahnseequences, doanchaknow.

In the meantime, Strange will be voting GOP on every bill.

BumRushDaShow

(127,298 posts)
17. OMG I remember that
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:49 AM
Dec 2017

him and Norm Coleman who refused to concede.

When Arlen Specter here in PA switched parties and they finally seated Franken, it was full-speed ahead.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
2. With the tax bill vote pending and a Republican SOS in Alabama
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:26 AM
Dec 2017

they won't feel a rush to certify the votes until towards the end of month. Why help the Democrats if you don't have to.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
3. McConnell plans to illegally not seat Jones.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:28 AM
Dec 2017

He is a fucking dick and people will have to get out in the streets and protest.

Senate policy requires Jones assume office the instant one of them wins the election. But the craven majority leader doesn’t want to lose on the tax plan. Instead he wants appointee Luther Strange to stay and vote for tax cuts for the rich.

Lock the traitors up already!

onenote

(42,374 posts)
5. That is not true. The Senate rules require state certification before a newly elected Senator
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:30 AM
Dec 2017

can be seated.

It's not McConnell's decision, its because of the Senate's rules and the process in Alabama under which it takes around ten days before an election is certified.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
15. McConnell's statement is true because of the Senate rules
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:46 AM
Dec 2017

not because of some lawless action.

The claim in that article that it is "a flagrant violation of Senate policy, which requires Jones or Moore assume office the instant one of them wins the election" is, to put it bluntly, a lie. The Senate rules are clear that the Secretary of the Senate has to receive and accept the certification by the Secretary of State of the state in which the newly elected Senator resides.

Case in point: When Governor Blagojevich named Roland Burris to fill Obama's Senate seat, the Secretary of the Senate initially refused to accept the certification of that appointment because it lacked the signature of the Illinois Secretary of State. After the courts ruled that the certification was nonetheless valid, the Secretary of the Senate had no choice but to accept it and Burris was seated.

Another example: Scott Brown was elected to the Senate in a special election held January 19, 2010. He wasn't seated until February 4, 2010.

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
4. He won't be sworn in until after the tax bill...and I am warning once more that if
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:29 AM
Dec 2017

Franken really does resign, there is o guarantee that his replacement will ever be sworn in.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
7. That's nonsense.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:33 AM
Dec 2017

There is no way that Franken's replacement is not seated so long as that person is at least 30 years old, has been an inhabitant of the US for 9 years, and is a resident of Minnesota. And the appointment is made by the Governor.

People should stop spreading tin foil lies here.

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
23. It really isn't that unlikely.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:39 AM
Dec 2017

"...A few years after the Powell decision, the Supreme Court clearly affirmed the right of the
Senate to make the final and conclusive determination concerning the election process and the
seating of its own Members. In the case of contests or challenges properly raised concerning the
election or selection of a Senator, the Court affirmed the constitutional authority for “an
independent evaluation by the Senate” of the selection of those presenting themselves for
membership. Roudebush v. Hartke, 405 U.S. 15, 25-26 (1972). "

I am hope I am wrong...but it should be considered. I don't believe Franken should resign before 18...

rgbecker

(4,806 posts)
10. RATS!
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:38 AM
Dec 2017

Anyway the Democrats can delay the vote on the tax bill? Could they refuse to show up and thus no quorum?

Thanks for the link.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
12. Not very knowledgeable
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:41 AM
Dec 2017

But I don't think a quorum is required. Just a majority so if all Republicans show up and vote for the bill it will pass.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
22. No
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:23 AM
Dec 2017

Quorum for both chambers is majority. So 218 in the House and 51 in the Senate. Not sure on House rule, but the Senate rules assume there is quorum at all times unless there is a roll call or quorum call that shows otherwise.

wishstar

(5,267 posts)
8. Alabama rules stipulate certification no earlier than Dec 26 or later than Jan 3
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:35 AM
Dec 2017

So he will definitely not be in Senate until after Christmas and probably not until January since timing depends on speed of Alabama officials who by law can drag their feet on certification until January, which is likely scenario.

still_one

(91,947 posts)
13. It isn't going to happen until Alabama certifies the election, and that won't happen until next year
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:43 AM
Dec 2017

If the Senate receives the reconciliation from the House this year, there is no doubt it will be voted on without the newly elected Alabama Senator.

However, if the house reconciliation does not meet the concern of 2 or 3 republican Senators, then there is a good chance that it won't happen this year.

However, I would be surprised if those involved in the reconciliation process did not address those concerns, because they realize that that it would even be more difficult if this went into next year.

This is why some failed to realize why there was a very small window to get the ACA passed, and it was either getting something through, or they would have nothing, and that would have meant SCHIPS, expanded Medicaid, subsidies for those under a certain income, and elimination of pre-existing conditions would have never happened.

The votes were not at the time for single payer or a public option. The blue dog Democrats at the time made it clear they would not vote for the bill if single payer or a public option was incorporated, and the Democrats needed every Democratic vote to get the foot in the door, or have nothing


BumRushDaShow

(127,298 posts)
21. THIS
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 10:01 AM
Dec 2017

which is why there were 2 separate bills voted on to equal the "PPACA". The first in December 2009 that had the 60 Dem/Indie votes and the 2nd "with fixes" reconciliation bill with 59 Dem/Indie votes that was passed in March 2010.

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