BREAKING: Robert Mueller has obtained Trump transition emails, including sensitive emails of Jared K

[MelissaB]

BREAKING: Axios: Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained “many tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails, including sensitive emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.

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Scoop: Mueller obtains "tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained “many tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails, including sensitive emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.

*Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis for questions to witnesses, the sources said.
*The emails include 12 accounts, one of which contains about 7,000 emails, the sources said.
*The accounts include the team's political leadership and the foreign-policy team, the sources said.

Why it matters: The transition emails are said to include sensitive exchanges on matters that include potential appointments, gossip about the views of particular senators involved in the confirmation process, speculation about vulnerabilities of Trump nominees, strategizing about press statements, and policy planning on everything from war to taxes.

*“Mueller is using the emails to confirm things, and get new leads,” a transition source told me.

How it happened: The sources say Mueller obtained the emails from the General Services Administration, the government agency that hosted the transition email system, which had addresses ending in “ptt.gov,” for Presidential Transition Team.

Axios has asked the Special Counsel’s Office for comment and will update this story with the response.

*The transition sources said they were surprised about the emails because they have been in touch with Mueller’s team and have cooperated.
*“They ask us to waive NDAs [nondisclosure agreements] and things like that,” a second source said. “We have never said ‘no’ to anything.”

The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts.

Link: https://www.axios.com/scoop-mueller-obtains-tens-of-thousands-of-trump-transition-emails-2517994590.html

[mcar]

1. Ruh Roh!

[LenaBaby61]

2. Well ....

I guess fatso/GOP firing Mueller will take place in:


5....4....3....2....1

[underpants]

3. But HIS emails

Yaaay first to post it

[onetexan]

9. LOL love your nick and the emoticon

[underpants]

11. Thanks

[MoonRiver]

20. I didn't copy you! But I posted the same thing!

Great minds and all!

[Iliyah]

4. Mueller and team has the puzzle almost complete.

GOPers know that and that's why they are rushing especially on firing Mueller and shutting down him down and the investigation. But they should also know that firing Mueller and shutting down the investigation will not stop it.

Repeat in history, just like repeat in history concerning the 1929 market crash. These motherf***ers never learn. Power and greed is their religion. Eff everything else.

[JawJaw]

5. But....but....

..but HER EMAILS! lol

[marylandblue]

6. Proof that the Trump transition team and their lawyers are idiots

"The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts."


There is NO privilege when using an official government server. ALL information sent through a .gov address is the property of the government. Boy, I hope they tried to hide something really good. They don't even seem to know how to obstruct justice correctly.

[Dopers_Greed]

13. Like Cenk's been saying

The Trumps are too stupid to pull off this conspiracy

[0rganism]

23. probably true, but it has been one helluva conspiracy

i gotta give them props for attempting the single greatest heist in history.

[Irish_Dem]

51. The kudos belong to Putin for committing the crime of the century.

And not only getting away with it, but continuing to install his puppets in the US government.

[Demsrule86]

92. Cent...says it because he pooh poohs the Russian investigation...so no.

Cent is dead to me. I never listen to a single word he says...takes money from the GOP, hates Democrats and attacks them...defends Trump and Russia with comments like above.

[PatSeg]

94. Very true

But they've caused a lot of damage in the process, probably more than we realize.

[murielm99]

21. Like Nixon and all his

fucking notebooks, and saying he was not a crook. He wanted to turn over the notebooks, not the tapes.

[FarCenter]

53. Just like if you work at "corp", the emails going via "[e-mail]" are corp's property

I can't imagine why anyone would think such emails were anything but government property subject to subpoena as records kept in the normal course of business.

[riverwalker]

58. The complete cache

What lovely words

[TheDebbieDee]

7. I get SO much pleasure knowing that the Trump regime

will go down because they documented their TREASON thru e-mails...


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[thbobby]

8. Mueller is formidable

I just love news like this. Mueller is capable of exposing the entire GOP MAFIA. And I do not believe the GOP will be able to stop him. Dishonest people use lies and intimidation. Competent professionals use intelligence and integrity. Classic good vs evil battle. The truth will win.

[onetexan]

12. well said, and DITTO

i too believe in the end truth will reign and Mueller is king.

[lucca18]

61. Beautifully said! Thank you.

I needed to read this, as I was getting depressed at the thought of trump
getting away with all of his lies, dishonesty, corruption,
treason......
He needs to be held accountable "now".

[tomp]

91. only time will tell.

best not to count unhatched chickens.

[avebury]

10. That is hysterical! The emails could be used to determine

who would be willing to lie to the FBI which is an awesome trap that could be used to then force someone provide assistance to them in their investigation. If anyone lied, Mueller owned that person at that point.

[Dopers_Greed]

14. This must be why we're hearing about Dump planning to fire Mueller

He's finally facing reality, and knows that he's busted.

[Eyeball_Kid]

33. Mueller will likely drop a big bomb before the

Christmas break.

He’ll always be at least one step of Trumpy.

[L. Coyote]

15. Desperately needed at this point, a compilation video of Republicans saying the word "e-mails"

A huge long string of guys all saying just one word "e-mails" ....

[AllyCat]

47. That would be perfect.

Whatever they accuse their perceived “enemies” of doing, they already ARE doing.

[spanone]

16. K&R...

[BigmanPigman]

17. Jared just hired a crisis manager.

Good luck with that Jared. Even if you are pardoned the Baltimore AG will nail your ass! HA! NO WAY OUT!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. You know a pardon is the last thing tRump wants to give Jared.

If tRump pardons Jared, then he can't hide behind the Fifth.

[BigmanPigman]

46. Good point!

[AllyCat]

48. This is an angle I have not heard

Can you explain? Thanks.

[LoveMyCali]

59. He can't plead the Fifth because he can't incriminate himself

if he's already been pardoned.

[scarytomcat]

70. with a pardon you have to admit the crime

is what I heard

[DeminPennswoods]

60. Once you can no longer be charged with a crime,

you can't "self-incriminate" and therefore cannot use the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination!

[Leith]

63. He Can't Take the 5th Because

He can't claim that he would be incriminated on a crime he has already been pardoned for. No crime, nothing to protect = spill everything or go to jail for being uncooperative.

[leftynyc]

80. Whoops

Responded to wrong post

[tableturner]

65. Yes, but the contempt would be a federal crime, so Trump could pardon that, too.

Jared, knowing he would get a pardon for the contempt, would be emboldened to stonewall. He kind of has no other choice. But his stonewalling can only last so long, especially with indictments coming from various states.

It doesn't matter. They all know they are caught. Their only hope is that the truth is not believed, and that their most rabid devotees will cause civil unrest and assorted acts of violence.

[Takket]

75. could mueller get around that by having a state level AG do the questioning?

[underpants]

69. He needs to hire a Middle East tutor - humiliated by Haim Saban

If you haven't seen this

2:30

DU thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9990464

[Alice11111]

85. Holy shit!

Even his natural allies can't bring themselves to indulge this simpering idiot, who thinks he is qualified because he has wealthy DNA.

[MoonRiver]

18. Bwahahaha!

But HIS emails!

[triron]

19. The conspiracy will show through

[orangecrush]

22. ever so slowly

but surely.

[bucolic_frolic]

24. My bet is

Mueller will beat them all to the punch before mid-week

[Hoyt]

25. Unless transition emails show collusion during election or something similar, not sure

it is a smoking gun.

[SunSeeker]

89. If they weren't a smoking gun, Trump lawyers would not be freaking out.

I highly recommend you read this string of tweets:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029993022

[Hoyt]

101. Clinton's lawyers delayed release of her emails, and for good reason. Lawyers don't want potential

evidence being releases without knowing what is in them, even if that don't suspect an issue. That means nothing, just as Trump claiming "there is no colluuuuuusion" means there wasn't.

[SunSeeker]

104. She was separating out private email that was in her private email server.

There wasn't supposed to be any private emails on the GSA email server. Every time the transition team logged on they got this warning:

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

93. Obstruction of justice and hiding what they did during the election.

[bucolic_frolic]

100. What?

You think there might be evidence of a rigged election in those emails?

I always say, if it's too easy, or too good to be true, it's not likely to happen.

But we can hope!

[Demsrule86]

106. Yes...I also think the collusion with Russia was discussed in those emails....

I hope so too...

[Kablooie]

26. I wonder where this kind of information comes from?

Is it a leak, Info surreptitiously released by Mueller, or construed from available documents?

[janx]

29. My guess is the former. And

he has probably had these emails for a long time.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. The clue is in the story. Trump officials were interviewed about the email by Mueller.

So it is the Trump officials that have been talking to Axios, probably on background for other stories, and Axios was able to corroborate between the statements of several officials.

[janx]

44. You are right.

and I am tired. I should have picked up on that. Thanks.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. We help each other. . . . . nt

[Lindsay]

31. Yeah, I always wonder about Axios

as a source. It was started by guys from Politico, and their funders include the Kochs, Walmart, and Bank of America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axios_(website)

Edit: Can't get a proper link to the wiki page because of the underscore. You could probably copy and paste to get to it?

[joshcryer]

82. Mueller doesn't leak. This is Trump underlings.

They are absolutely shitting themselves.

[SunSeeker]

87. It's coming from the Trump lawyers.

The dipshits are freaking out and wrote a long letter to GSA, copied to congressional committee leaders on Saturday, objecting to GSA having turned over the emails to Mueller.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/the-trump-campaign-claims-a-federal-office-illegally-turned?utm_term=.sc8Yb0OJq#.gm4v3oNKA

[japple]

27. What was the last tweet sent out by tRUMP? When was it sent? Did he really go

to Camp David for the weekend? I thought he hated that dump.

[Tipperary]

28. PLEASE. Enough with the tweets already. Were you not the one touting a huge event the other day?

Meh.

[pnwmom]

32. This isn't just a tweet. It comes attached to a whole article which you can read. n/t

[askyagerz]

35. Can't we just go back to the telegraph

Twitter is obviously full of crazy people that can't be trusted

[.99center]

34. Axios is a legit news source.

The author of the article is Mike Allen, co-founder of Axios and Politico.

[MelissaB]

37. You do your thing, hoss, and I'll do mine.

Go back and read the thread I posted you are referring to. Slowly.

[.99center]

30. Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis

to questions to witnesses, the sources said.

How many witnesses lied to the FBI before the WH figured it out?

[Takket]

76. knowing how drumpf and his crime syndicate operate.......

i'm going to go out on a limb and say ALL OF THEM

[pnwmom]

36. This also means that if DT's people withheld any emails from requests by Mueller

and lied about it, then they are legally vulnerable.

[herding cats]

40. The very fact that they know who withheld emails and what they were about is a massive advantage.

That Mueller’s team used information from the emails while questioning people means they found items of interest to them.

[pnwmom]

50. And they were emails that the DT people didn't realize they had, because they weren't among those

they had provided!

[spooky3]

38. this is good news, but I REALLY wish they would find evidence of

meddling PRE-election, because I think it happened AND I think most non-political junkies won't care much about post-election communications with the Russians. I think they will view that as simply jumping the gun by a month or two.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. There will be discussion in emails referencing promises for endorsements, quid pro quos,

... payback for Russian financing, how to get more Russian bots tweeting tRump's fave issues, what it all implies for policy (easing up on sanction on Putin cronies), who gets the stolen Supreme Court seat, etc.

[marylandblue]

54. What makes you think he doesn't already have that?

In most cases so far, when we've gotten leaks like this, we have found that Mueller already had more than anyone knew.

[spooky3]

64. I am not thinking either way. I expressed a wish for there to be such evidence.

I'm just not as excited as some, because until Mueller reveals that his team has this evidence--which as you say, he may well have--I don't think most Americans will care as much as they should.

[askyagerz]

39. I wonder how many people got caught in the flytrap

Hiding emails from investigators thinking they were one up. Too funny

[benld74]

49. Hes had them all along

He’s been playing StarTrek Chess

While tRumps side has been playing checkers

[Fritz Walter]

52. Just in time for Hanukkah and Christmas -- a gift that keeps on giving

?1350486769

[riverwalker]

55. Stunning !!!!

This is awesome news !

[Scurrilous]

56. K&R

[Sanity Claws]

57. Probably includes emails about the back door to Russia that Jared

wanted to create.

[riverwalker]

62. Renato Mariotti has a long thread explaining what all this means

Link to tweet

[janx]

67. This is one Twitter source that I can take seriously.

Thanks for posting it. It answers a lot of questions I had about obtaining that cache of emails in the first place. Mariotti points to a warrant. Mueller would have had to use a warrant.

[LiberalFighter]

95. Watching Joy Reid discussing this with her panel. Mueller would not need warrant.

Basically a govt agency asking another govt agency generally does not need a warrant. And apparently did not need one when asking for them from the GSA. Technically they are also not private emails when using the .gov account.

[riverwalker]

66. Which 12 accounts do they have?

This was his transition team. Wonder why it was just 12, or maybe they have them all but only 12 revealed through the interviews with Mueller?

https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_transition_team

[mobeau69]

68. Don't know when this was done but this story was updated.

Editor's Note: This story has been updated with details from the Langhofer letter to congressional committees.

Taking fight public: Charging "unlawful conduct," Kory Langhofer, counsel for the transition team, wrote in a letter to congressional committees Saturday that "career staff at the General Services Administration ... have unlawfully produced [transition team] private materials, including privileged communications, to the Special Counsel's Office."

The seven-page later, obtained by Axios, says: "We understand that the Special Counsel's Office has subsequently made extensive use of the materials it obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims."
The letter says this was a violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.
"Additionally, certain portions of the [transition] materials the Special Counsel's Office obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims, have been leaked to the press by unknown persons."

The Special Counsel's office said: "We will decline to comment."

[Bernardo de La Paz]

71. Doesn't seem to violate 4th. Government records are almost as good as public.

I doubt few if any were personal-lawyer-client discussions and if they were then the parties were utterly stupid to use government email addresses and servers.

[mobeau69]

72. That's what's great. They are up the shit creek!

I think they may be totally fucked and they've ran out of ammo.

[LiberalFighter]

96. I would say the 4th amendment does not apply when it is applied to federal govt in any form.

It has to be with a private citizen with their own private property. Government emails are not the property of any private citizen.

[triron]

73. kick for visibility

[Takket]

74. but her e-mails........

[MineralMan]

77. That .gov domain means that those emails

are accessible to Mueller without any concern about privacy or 4th Amendment issues. They all are part of the official record and were automatically preserved and archived. The Trump team May not have known that. Amateurs.

[SunSeeker]

90. The dipshits were warned every time they logged on to the GSA email server.

Link to tweet

[LiberalFighter]

97. Love it! LMAO

[wishstar]

78. Trump team is screaming this was illegal as excuse to claim good cause to fire Mueller

Since Rosenstein told Congressional committee that there was no good cause to fire Mueller, Trump gang had to come up with something that they could assert as good cause, so they are ramping up phony outrage over this.

[ecstatic]

79. Karma's a bitch! I guess it's not as much fun when the "hacked"

emails are your own. As Don Jr would say, "I love it!"

[Kirk Lover]

81. Oh there has got to be something in there there. n/t

[Wounded Bear]

83. Geez, I know a woman who could help them with a secure server...

[Alice11111]

86. On point

[Plucketeer]

84. Would Gold-Plated cell bars

afford a resident a dash of panache?

[wishstar]

88. Poor snowflakes offended that their sensitive emails had been accessed

by that meanie Mueller. Such unfair treatment when it should be Hillary's emails

[DownriverDem]

98. What about?

I just saw where trump is going to fire Mueller before Christmas. Actually he will have to tell Rosenstein to fire Mueller. Google Saturday Night Massacre to see how Nixon did it.

[bucolic_frolic]

99. It's getting worse

Link to tweet

[MariaCSR]

102. Yeah, worse for Trump.

No wonder his transition team wants to stop the investigation.

[Motley13]

103. Mueller: GSA, If you are listening, I hope you are able to find the e-mails

Trump: ‘Russia, If You’re Listening, I Hope You’re Able to Find the 30,000 E-Mails that Are Missing’

[MikeydaDog]

105. This is big. So what other big surprises has Mueller not shared? Not a lot of leaking going on.