Pregnant woman shopping Craigslist for baby clothes attacked, fetus cut from womb

[Archae]

Last edited Thu Mar 19, 2015, 05:35 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: WBAY-TV ABC affiliate in Green Bay, WI

LONGMONT, CA (KRON) — Police in Colorado have arrested a 34-year-old woman they say stabbed a pregnant woman in the stomach then removed the fetus from her womb.

Longmont police say the victim, a 26-year-old woman who was seven months pregnant, visited a home on the 1600 block of Green Place sometime before 3 p.m. to buy baby clothes that were advertised on Craigslist.

The suspect then attacked the victim and removed her unborn baby. She underwent surgery at a hospital and is expected to recover.

(snip)

“It was later learned, the female was pregnant and her baby had been removed. The victim was transported to the Longmont United Hospital where she underwent surgery and is expected to recover.”

Read more: http://wbay.com/2015/03/19/pregnant-woman-shopping-craigslist-for-baby-clothes-attacked-fetus-cut-from-womb/

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I see these stories, just how cold and heartless does a woman have to be to do this?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. My god, how dreadful!

The woman who did this did it because she desperately wanted a child of her own. That's the usual situation, if anything can be called "usual." She is obviously insane.

[groundloop]

2. How absolutely sickening

It's good that she's going to survive, but I'd imagine she's going to be an emotional mess for a long time to come - I pray that she has access to good counseling.

[Democrats_win]

3. Rotten and sickening to the n-th degree!

Just think, the entire world is watching. We want to export THIS culture to the rest of the world. Wake up! We really have problems in this country.

Meanwhile the GOP congress in Washington and Denver sit on their asses and plan political vendettas. Do you need any further proof that the GOP killed America?

[Kelvin Mace]

5. To be fair.

as horrific as this is, it is not an everyday occurrence, like say, police shooting people to death in highly dubious circumstances.

[jim0311]

6. Denver?

What political vendetta is the GOP planning in Denver?

[A Simple Game]

11. I doubt politics of any sort had anything to do with this insane woman's actions. n/t

[LiberalElite]

19. I don't even believe it's the first time this has happened in the U.S. nt

[yeoman6987]

27. I'm sure.....not.

Bottom line. She must pay for the crime for a very long time. Possibly with intense therapy.

[Kelvin Mace]

4. How did this woman get this way?

This is a truly sick and disturbed individual who somehow was overlooked by everyone around her. You do not get this crazy unnoticed. It will be interesting to see how this case plays out.

[get the red out]

8. Great point

IMO, the whole point!

[Jackpine Radical]

18. You wanna know the reality? Sure, she's psychotic.

She's hardly the only one walking around.

Almost all psychotic people are in the community, mostly with some level of supervision from county caseworkers, and for the great majority, that's OK (sort of; a debate for another day), but there are some who really need to be placed in secure treatment facilities for med adjustments, etc.

Most of them only need short-term secure hospitalization, but some need long-term or even permanent placement in secure facilities.

The problem is that there are no such facilities any more. Or at least not many. As a result, a fairly high percentage of mentally ill folks fall afoul of the law a few times, get themselves identified as "habitual criminals, repeaters" and end up in prison after a series of jail terms.

So this woman may very well have been noticed, may have been under county supervision, and they might have known she was decompensating, but what were they supposed to do? It has become nearly impossible to commit anyone in most jurisdictions, and when you do get a psychotic and dangerous person detained, they are usually released from the hospital within 72 hours with a discharge summary that says they are no longer dangerous.

[Kelvin Mace]

24. Another wonderful legacy of the Reagan Admin

Although, he had help from some very misguided liberals.

[LisaL]

25. You are describing a raving lunatic. This woman had a husband and two children.

She managed to convince them she was pregnant.
I don't think anybody had any thought of "locking" her up.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. A confession: I didn't read the story.

I spent the last 23 years of my career doing mostly criminal forensic psychology, and before that, I was director of psychology in an old-fashioned, small psychiatric hospital attached to a county health center. I have done psych evals of maybe 2500 people caught up in the criminal justice system, including doing competency and NGI evaluations in a number of murder cases.

One result of this is that I don't much read detailed news accounts of crimes, and didn't in this case. I don't have to stick my head in that shit anymore, so I don't.

If the woman wasn't emitting cues, then this whole subthread is kinda pointless.

[secondwind]

7. We bought something from Craigslist, but my husband asked the seller to meet him in a public place.

There are some nut jobs out there.

[hamsterjill]

9. Very wise course of action!

n/t

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

16. Sioux Falls, South Dakota Police actively asking Craigslist traders to meet at police parking lot...

... to scare of scammers and to have the transaction recorded on the surveillance system there.

"Police spokesman Sam Clemens said an officer staffs the front booth from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. everyday. Even if the officer at the desk is busy, there are dozens of other officers around at any given time."


[link:http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/crime/2015/03/09/safe-place-craigslist-transactions-police-department/24673159/|

[intheflow]

22. In the area where this happened,

you can meet-up at motor vehicle registrars and sheriff offices to make craigslist transactions. It's not well known, but they do allow it so that all parties can meet in safe, public spaces.

[azurnoir]

10. This is one of the sickest things I've ever heard of

there is apparently no limit to the depravity some can act with

[MadDAsHell]

12. Disgusting and sounds like it will be legally complicated. Even more heartbreak coming for mom:

From CNN's article:

"The prosecutor described the difficulty in determining charges.

"The issue of whether or not murder charges are appropriate involving a case involving the death of a fetus or a late-term pregnancy is always a difficult issue," Garnett said.

"Under Colorado law, essentially, there's no way murder charges can be brought if it's not established that the fetus lived as a child outside the body of the mother for some period of time. I don't know the answer yet as to whether that can be established, what our facts are here," Garnett said.

That information will be a key part of the investigation, Garnett said."

[Nye Bevan]

17. The punishment for ripping a fetus out of a pregnant woman and causing it to die

should be the same as the punishment for murder.

[davidpdx]

32. I don't agree

Assuming she is convicted for murdering the mother and baby, life in prison will be worse as a baby killer. Although she'd have to sit on death row for a decade or two, it would still be the easier way out.

[Nye Bevan]

34. I strongly oppose the death penalty,

so I did not mean that she should be executed. Life without parole would be appropriate.

[bananas]

13. Police stations have started offering "safe zones" after recent deaths linked to the classified ads

A CNN article on this mentions:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/us/craigslist-pregnant-woman-womb-baby-removed/

A growing number of police stations have started offering "safe zones" for online sellers and buyers to conduct their transactions after recent deaths linked to the classified ads website.

and links to this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/26/justice/craigslist-missing-couple/

Vehicle, bodies recovered in Craigslist disappearance
By Faith Karimi and Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN
Updated 7:27 AM ET, Tue January 27, 2015

Atlanta (CNN)Two bodies, one male and one female, were recovered Monday in the case of a Marietta, Georgia, couple, who went missing after contacting a car seller on Craigslist.

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Though the overwhelming majority of Craigslist transactions occur without incident, the site has a history of being co-opted by criminals.

Just in recent years, there have been numerous such instances. In Henderson, Nevada, police said a man placing an ad in July met three men at a park, who took him to a vacant house, tied him up, beat and robbed him, then escaped in his car.

In March, a San Jose, California, woman responding to an ad for a cellular phone was allegedly kidnapped at gunpoint by two men who drove her to an ATM and demanded her passcode, police told a newspaper.

In May 2013, a Maine teenager drove to Portland to sell his BMW sedan to a 29-year-old who had responded to his Craigslist ad. The teen was allegedly forced into his own trunk and driven to Delaware, according to media reports and an FBI affidavit.

[For Freddie]

14. Longmont, Colorado

Is a center for highly radical fundamentalists. It used to be the home of the KKK in Colorado in the old days. The issues of Gay Marriage, Abortion, and a deep hate for Obama are echoed in folks there who belong to groups classified "hate groups" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I know this because I have a family member involved.

The issue about no way to prosecute this has the Anti Abortionist touch to it. I do not doubt this may have happened. I DO doubt that it will not be used by the hate groups present and some who have wormed their way into local politics there.

The real issue here is we have no mental health policy nationally for our country, unlike other developed nations. When Rand Paul said that Soc.Sec. Disability was about fake back injuries he was totally wrong. A large number of those on Soc. Security Dis. have mental illness and mental health problems. The ONLY way for them to survive is to go on disability. We have no national safety net for these folks and their families.

Anything coming out of Longmont Colorado I would view with great
suspicion knowing the under workings of the far righfundamentalist culture there. Colorado is a beautiful place. My son lives there, my sister lives there. They both have to put up with the idiocy of the hate groups and the fracking destruction. It makes me sad.

[intheflow]

21. I love very close to Longmont and it's not that conservative any more.

People around here are starting to call it the new Boulder. Housing prices in Denver and Boulder are driving people ever-further from the cities, which means the Front Range between Denver and Fort Collins is becoming much more liberal in communities to the west of I-25. East of I-25, we're still fucked. But I would not characterize Longmont as a hotbed of fundamentalists any more.

And this wasn't at all about abortion. Apparently, the woman who too the fetus had told her husband and friends she was pregnant back in December. Who knows if she was? But she was bound and determined to get a baby, one way or another. An anti-abortionists is NOT going to abort a baby so they can have a baby.

[Hoppy]

15. To quote the late, great Bob Grant on WABC radio many years ago --

Its sick out there and getting sicker.

[intheflow]

20. About 15 miles from my home.

[Archae]

23. Update with mugshot...

Apparently the woman lost a baby before, by drowning.



LONGMONT, Colo. (AP) — A Colorado woman accused of stabbing a pregnant stranger and taking her unborn baby from her womb had lost a child of her own more than a decade ago when he accidentally drowned, a relative said Thursday.

Dynel Lane’s son was 19 months old in 2002, when he drowned in a shallow pond at the home of her parents near Pueblo, Colorado. Investigators at the time ruled the death an accident.

Lane and her now ex-husband were devastated by the child’s death, said Aaron Cruz, the boy’s paternal grandfather. The couple had two daughters together and had been trying for a boy.

Cruz said Lane seemed like a “fine parent” and relatives were shocked to learn she is accused of luring the pregnant woman to her home through a Craigslist ad for baby clothes and taking her unborn child.

Lane, 34, told her husband when he returned home Wednesday that she had suffered a miscarriage, police said. He rushed her to a hospital with the baby, who did not survive.

http://wbay.com/2015/03/19/pregnant-woman-shopping-craigslist-for-baby-clothes-attacked-fetus-cut-from-womb/

[Ken Burch]

26. Possibly an example of what happens when someone in a time of extreme grief

is not given the support she needs.

[LisaL]

30. Excuse me. Her child drowned over 10 years ago.

Since then, she remarried. She didn't have children with this new husband and would appears she convinced him she was pregnant.

[Ken Burch]

28. Not sure how important it is that the victim had been shopping on Craigslist.

The woman who attacked her could just as easily have lured a similar victim(she'd have had no way of making sure it was that specific person in any case)by putting up a "Baby Clothes for Sale" ad on the bulletin board at the supermarket or a community center.

Not an apologist for Craigslist, but the thread title implies that that site somehow shares responsibility for what happened. If the Craigslist reference was just there in the original linked story as clickbait, that's kind of despicable.

[LisaL]

29. This is hardly the first crime connected to a carigs list ad.

There was a couple killed recently. They were trying to buy a car after posting craigslist ad.
Then there was a student killed trying to buy a cell phone.