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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 04:59 PM Mar 2015

Mass-killer co-pilot had to STOP training because he was was suffering depression and 'burn-out'.

Source: Daily Mail

German police make 'significant discovery' at his flat.

Police investigating the Germanwings crash said tonight they had made a 'significant discovery' at the home of pilot Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately ploughed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps.

Officers refused to reveal details of the potential breakthrough but said it was not a suicide note.

Speaking outside the flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, police said they had 'found something' that would now be taken for tests, adding it may be a 'clue' as to what happened to the doomed jet.

German detectives were also pictured carrying evidence from a £400,000 home in Montabaur, a town 40 miles from Bonn, that Lubitz is believed to have shared with his parents.

The 28-year-old is understood to have split his time between the two addresses.

The forensic find comes hours after it emerged that Lubitz was forced to postpone his pilot training in 2008 because of mental health problems, with a friend saying he was 'in depression'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html



Sadly, he seems to have had past mental problems. Perhaps the recent industrial unrest at Lufthansa pushed him over the edge.


Potential breakthrough: Detectives carry boxes from Lubitz's apartment on the outskirts of Dusseldorf. It emerged that a 'significant discovery' had been made at the address, but police would not give further detail
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Mass-killer co-pilot had to STOP training because he was was suffering depression and 'burn-out'. (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 OP
"significant discovery" red dog 1 Mar 2015 #1
You're welcome. Don't use the Daily Mail as a source Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #2
22 hours later, and the Daily Mail is still the only news source for this story? red dog 1 Mar 2015 #3
I know, strange, isn't it? The Daily Mail is often first off the Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #4
Germanwings Plane Crash: Co-Pilot "Wanted To Destroy Plane" red dog 1 Mar 2015 #18
The evidence in the home that justifies a separate thread was only a few hours old muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #10
He is a Christian? Maybe a Christian terrorist, to use your...logic. You forgot the sarcasm emoticon? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #8
But I thought he passed all of his tests, including the psychological?? ailsagirl Mar 2015 #5
This is what happens when Fundamentalists can't explain something. They go looking for witches. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2015 #6
How do you figure that this is a groundless witch hunt? Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #9
Like I said. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2015 #12
So, who's doing the hunting--the French Special Prosecutor? The German Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #13
Read it. jtuck004 Mar 2015 #15
I read it red dog 1 Mar 2015 #19
"...German police even" ???"knew"??? jtuck004 Mar 2015 #21
Thought the breaking news about Lubitz's mental health might interest you... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #25
I think it interests those who would rather find him guilty with no or circumstantial jtuck004 Mar 2015 #26
Speculation on a message board does not, indeed, cannot enhance or deny a defendant's innocence LanternWaste Mar 2015 #28
From what they're saying in the French media, the 'fit to fly' Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #7
You can fake that stuff MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #11
Because one can lie on these tests? LisaL Mar 2015 #17
Low pay plus long hours project_bluebook Mar 2015 #14
Law of unintended consequences... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #16
630 hours in 18 months ... GeorgeGist Mar 2015 #22
It's a double-edged sword madville Mar 2015 #20
"...police said they had 'found something' that would now be taken for tests..." aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2015 #23
Diary -- handwriting tests alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #24
Probably the pole or the boxes they found unopened in his garage. That proves something, jtuck004 Mar 2015 #27

red dog 1

(27,742 posts)
1. "significant discovery"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:22 PM
Mar 2015

NOT a suicide note?

Could he have been a terrorist?
If so,which terrorist group was he affiliated with?
Islamic State?


Thanks for posting, Surya Gayatri.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
2. You're welcome. Don't use the Daily Mail as a source
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mar 2015

as a general rule, but for breaking news like this, they tend to be first off the mark.

What a horrible reality for the families of the victims to contemplate. Not to mention his own parents.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
4. I know, strange, isn't it? The Daily Mail is often first off the
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:59 PM
Mar 2015

mark with breaking stuff like this.

I think they will run with a story and take risks that other outlets won't.

And their photo journalism is the best going. They must pay millions of £ for all of those pics.

red dog 1

(27,742 posts)
18. Germanwings Plane Crash: Co-Pilot "Wanted To Destroy Plane"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:41 PM
Mar 2015
http://bbc.com/news/world-europe-32063587/

This BBC article doesn't mention any "significant finding" at the co-pilot's home; but it does say:
"After Thursday's revelations, several airlines have pledged to change their rules to ensure at least two crew members are present in the cockpit at all times."

muriel_volestrangler

(101,257 posts)
10. The evidence in the home that justifies a separate thread was only a few hours old
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:31 PM
Mar 2015

The announcement that he knowingly locked the door and started the descent was only about 9 hours old when the thread was started.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. He is a Christian? Maybe a Christian terrorist, to use your...logic. You forgot the sarcasm emoticon?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:26 PM
Mar 2015

ailsagirl

(22,868 posts)
5. But I thought he passed all of his tests, including the psychological??
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:14 PM
Mar 2015

Last edited Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

How can this be?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. This is what happens when Fundamentalists can't explain something. They go looking for witches. n/t
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:19 PM
Mar 2015
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. How do you figure that this is a groundless witch hunt?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

The sad proof of his actions (though not necessarily his mental state) is spread across that moutainside in the south of France.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. So, who's doing the hunting--the French Special Prosecutor? The German
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:41 PM
Mar 2015

police who are seizing evidence from his homes?

Your cryptic remark is puzzling.

red dog 1

(27,742 posts)
19. I read it
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:00 PM
Mar 2015

It's from last night, long before German police even knew that the co-pilot had deliberately crashed the plane.

"Way too many other possibilities, unseen by the bunch of McCarthyites blaming a working pilot"?

"McCarthyites blaming a working pilot"???

You mean the "working pilot" who caused the death of more than 150 innocent people?

What does that have to do with Sen. Joseph McCarthy?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
26. I think it interests those who would rather find him guilty with no or circumstantial
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:19 AM
Mar 2015

evidence, more than I. My position is that people are innocent until proven guilty. So far there is only a plane crash and a bunch of speculation mostly by people who know less about flying than my dog, people acting like baby brownshirts looking for someone to beat up on.

Then again, I take our laws seriously, as if those protections mean something. Not everyone does.

But thank you for that.


 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. Speculation on a message board does not, indeed, cannot enhance or deny a defendant's innocence
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:35 PM
Mar 2015

Guilt is assigned by courts of law. Speculation, one way or another is simply benign supposition, not taken as or intended as, anything else... regardless of the contextually irrelevant suggestion of whether one takes laws seriously or not.

Speculation on a message board does not, indeed-- cannot, enhance or deny a defendant's innocence.

I thought everyone new that. I suppose "not everyone does..."

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. From what they're saying in the French media, the 'fit to fly'
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:23 PM
Mar 2015

psychological tests are rather routine--designed more to establish a profile baseline than to root out deep seated problems.

I suspect that Lufthansa and other major carriers are revising their 'fit to fly' psych testing as we speak.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
11. You can fake that stuff
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:32 PM
Mar 2015

If you have 1/2 of a brain. Many years ago I had a security clearance, even though I was not a government employee. This particular clearance included pysch testing. I answered truthfully, but it was painfully easy to see what question one would need to fudge to prevent getting rejected.

They have supposedly improved this to catch "cheating," but I doubt it works that well.

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
14. Low pay plus long hours
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:44 PM
Mar 2015

is standard in this industry. Also, another win for al qaeda, that door was put there because of 9-11.

madville

(7,403 posts)
20. It's a double-edged sword
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:01 PM
Mar 2015

If they come out with strict rules about mental health as it relates to a pilot's medical fitness it will probably encourage more to never report problems or attempt to hide them and not seek treatment. I bet anyone with a history of mental health treatment or prescriptions will be getting extra scrutiny for awhile.

I've known a bunch of pilots, private, commercial and military. They are very protective of their physical and mental health status, their job and careers literally depend on being deemed "fit to fly".

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
23. "...police said they had 'found something' that would now be taken for tests..."
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:50 AM
Mar 2015

according to the article. I can't even guess at what they might have found that would require testing. Apparently it's not a suicide note according to the article.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
24. Diary -- handwriting tests
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:13 AM
Mar 2015

Or, computer hard drive -- computer forensic tests.

Or, (non-prescribed) anti-psychotic drugs -- chemical identification tests.

Or...

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