Americans Favor Deal With Iran by 2-1; Relations With Israel Are Highly Politicized
Source: ABC News
Americans by a 2-1 margin favor an agreement with Iran over its nuclear development program, even while broadly questioning whether a deal would, in fact, prevent Tehran from producing nuclear weapons.
A new national ABC News/Washington Post poll also finds sharply politicized views of U.S.-Israel relations, which have been strained by the two allies’ dispute over the advisability of an agreement with Iran.
See PDF for full results, charts and tables.
In a result that supports the Obama administration’s position in the face of Republican and Israeli criticisms alike, Americans by 59-31 percent back a plan to lift major economic sanctions against Iran in exchange for restrictions making it harder for it to produce nuclear weapons.
The finding in the survey, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, is in concert with longstanding preferences for diplomatic rather than military solutions to international conflicts, when possible. It comes as Secretary of State John Kerry seeks a framework for an agreement, working with negotiators from Iran, Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China. Their self-imposed deadline was today.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)pro-apartheid rightwing in Israel.
18 percent of conservatives favor Palestinians getting basic human rights. 18%
In case people wonder why that crowd is indecent rather than just disagreeing on the issues, there ya go.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)P.S. Not all Jews are citizens of Israel.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)assume you're a Jew-baiting troll who just makes stuff up.
So, post a link.
Rex
(65,616 posts)However looks like MIRT got out the hammer and beat the jury.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I guess when they put the anti-semitism in the subject line juries are more likely to hide.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
herding cats
(19,558 posts)That's what I think at least. I think we're pretty damn passionate, just not as sensational and we don't have the hired lobbyists working to make our message the one which is most readily perpetrated by our media.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)ANYONE who is anti another war in the Middle East should be passionately FOR an agreement that -- as much as anything can -- makes war less likely.
Beyond that, there are tiny signs in some sources that a deal could be a huge inflection point in what is happening in the entire region. It would be amazing if it leads to diplomatic ends to some disputes and reduces the (probably covert at this point) to terrorists in the region.
840high
(17,196 posts)ut the survey — released hours before Tuesday’s negotiating deadline — also finds few Americans are hopeful that such an agreement will be effective. Nearly six in 10 say they are not confident that a deal will prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, unchanged from 15 months ago, when the United States, France, Britain, Germany, China and Russia reached an interim agreement with Iran aimed at sealing a long-term deal.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)After all, Israeli intelligence itself forecast that even bombing the facilities would just push them back 3 to 5 years.
Taken together, it means that even with low expectations that a deal will forever stop Iran from getting a bomb -- people are FOR making the deal. Could it be they see the Netanyahu/Republican path as even less likely to be good?
Midnight Writer
(21,712 posts)Worst case: Iran cheats on the deal and THEN we restore sanctions, with the support of the international powers who have just been screwed. We have lost nothing.
Best case: Iran maintains the deal.
If no deal,
Worst case: Iran develops nuclear weapons, a war breaks out, and unbelievable devastation occurs.
Best case: We launch a pre-emptive war against Iran that will make the Afghanistan and Iraq wars look like a garden party, but will be good for our economy.
Pretty much a no-brainer for most Americans.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)and we don't catch them until after they develop nuclear weapons?
Midnight Writer
(21,712 posts)and they develop nuclear weapons? If there is a deal and they cheat, at least we will have allies that they also cheated against that may align against them.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I guess even worse would be IF there's a deal, we lift sanctions and they are able to build a nuclear weapon undetected quicker than they would if there were no deal.
Whether there's a deal or not, there are many countries that have an interest in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, so it's not going to be a situation where we can't find allies.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)That's a myth. WWII was good for the economy because it forced the government to spend money domestically to fight the war. We don't do that now. We contract everything out so there's no real benefit to average Americans.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I think it depends on the scale of the war.
Midnight Writer
(21,712 posts)that even conservatives vote for.
Please don't misunderstand me. War is not worth the economic benefit to average Americans. Most of the economic benefit goes to the wealthy, although it does create jobs.
A vastly superior stimulative spending program would build our infrastructure or restructure our energy system or restore our educational priorities. Even a targeted "give away" of government cash is a more efficient stimulus than war.
former9thward
(31,936 posts)But they are following the negotiations? What fantasy....
JI7
(89,239 posts)this is one time we can give some thanks to bibi for this along with the republicans in congress . while people may not follow politics closely they can tell anti obama obsession now.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)that have led people to completely discount him.
His attacks today and over the weekend -- even putting the US and other powers in his "Iran - Lausanne - Yemen axis - is so melodramatic to be completely unpersuasive.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)that it will prevent Iran from developing its own nuclear weapons. In other words, since Israel and Pakistan already have them, most Americans can learn to live with a Persian bomb, as well.
There is no casus belli here, even in the worst-case scenario of a breakdown in talks and Iran eventually unveils working, deliverable A-bombs.
In fact, it is Israel's very real nukes and threats of war that alarm Americans most.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Looks the deadline is about to come and go.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)I don't think ALL the other countries would still be there if they thought it impossible.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I could be wrong but I thought they had.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)In Moscow, his comments were more optimistic for a deal than Kerry's cautious comments.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)Like they did with the Public Option, like the did with Background checks. Of course it doesn't help that the MSM, instead of publicizing this fact, will instead preamble with things like "Some say this deal will be bad for Israel....", Or "Some say this will lead to Iran getting the bomb sooner..." and then have on a Republican guest who will then expand on this and end with something like "The American people DO NOT want this deal"...And the the host will just not their head soberly with a "and that's all the time we have..THANKYOU for your expert opinion"
madville
(7,404 posts)Sounds like Iran knows it has us right where they want us, Obama/Kerry want a deal so bad Iran is thinking they can refuse everything and make no concessions. Today they flat out stated they won't ship any of their enriched Uranium to Russia like had been previously discussed.
Plus it's looking more and more like Congress will get their approval bill through with a veto proof majority, something smells funny about the whole thing but we will see.
- War is what failures do when they run out of things to say.
PEACE will come when our leaders know more about words than they do about wars......
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