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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:40 AM Mar 2015

Pence Backs Down, Calls For Clarification Barring Any Kind Of Discrimination

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Source: TPM

By DANIEL STRAUSS Published MARCH 31, 2015, 11:32 AM EDT

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) said Tuesday that he wanted to see legislation on his desk this week clarifying that the controversial religious freedom bill he signed into law did not allow businesses to deny service to anyone.

Pence made the announcement at a widely televised press conference the same day that the Indianapolis Star ran a front-page editorial urging state lawmakers to change the legislation.

"After much reflection and in consultation with leadership of the General Assembly, I've come to the conclusion that it would be helpful to move legislation this week that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses the right to deny services to anyone," Pence said at the press conference. "Let me say that again. I think it would be helpful and I'd like to see on my desk before the end of this week legislation that is added to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act that makes it clear that this law does not deny services against anyone."

Earlier in the week top Republicans in the state legislature said they would look to add a clarification to the law.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/mike-pence-wants-clarification-law



Indiana governor insists religious freedom law ‘has been smeared’ — but vows to ‘fix’ it this week

REUTERS
31 MAR 2015 AT 11:54 ET

Indiana Governor Mike Pence said on Tuesday he will “correct” the state’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act this week to make it clear that businesses cannot use it to deny services to same-sex couples.

Pence, a Republican, said the law he signed last week had been widely misconstrued and mischaracterized, but he said he was calling on the state’s Republican-controlled General Assembly to send a new law to his desk this week to fix it.


“We will fix this and we will move forward,” Pence told reporters at a nationally televised news conference.

“I believe it would be appropriate to make it clear that this law does not give businesses the right to deny services to anyone,” he said.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/indiana-governor-insists-religious-freedom-law-has-been-smeared-but-vows-to-fix-it-this-week/
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Pence Backs Down, Calls For Clarification Barring Any Kind Of Discrimination (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2015 OP
Then what is the purpose of it? What does it accomplish? sinkingfeeling Mar 2015 #1
Branding. That's about it. Oh, and it feeds the good old religious persecution fantasy. arcane1 Mar 2015 #16
Yep. Pool 'ol Pence, VWolf Mar 2015 #22
Backpedalling to please corporate masters nt charin Mar 2015 #2
I can live with him back pedaling to "please corporate masters" in this case.... DonViejo Mar 2015 #6
Agreed. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #12
+1 King_David Mar 2015 #36
"Backpedalling to please corporate masters" - And you know what? Veilex Mar 2015 #17
And just as important is.. Blue_Adept Mar 2015 #21
Aww, evil corporate masters wanting social equality. joshcryer Mar 2015 #35
They need to just repeal it. "A little less discrimination" is not acceptable. yellowcanine Mar 2015 #3
"They need to just repeal it" - or alter the existing language of the bill itself. Veilex Mar 2015 #19
only purpose I can now Cryptoad Mar 2015 #4
Money talks. No matter how many protests were launched against BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #5
This is the real takeaway. If you want to get something changed, you better get business behind Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #15
Governor Dense lied all through the press conference Gothmog Mar 2015 #7
"We want to make it clear that Hoosier hospitality is not a slogan, it's a way of life," Pence said. yellowcanine Mar 2015 #8
Well, um.. that was the whole, pandering, point of it. LeftinOH Mar 2015 #9
"After much reflection....." TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #10
He can't put the toothpaste back in the tube cosmicone Mar 2015 #11
I agree, no letup until fully repealed King_David Mar 2015 #37
Not Far Enough. calimary Mar 2015 #13
Exactly! AlinPA Mar 2015 #29
This is really the only thing the Tea People can do. SansACause Mar 2015 #14
in addition to be a bigot, is he a coward now too. he should stand his ground and alienate alot more samsingh Mar 2015 #18
Standing up for religiosity... graegoyle Mar 2015 #20
I think he should run for President. I mean, this went so well... TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #23
It appears that we won, but it ain't over 'til it's over. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #24
no way handmade34 Mar 2015 #28
at this rate, he'll be officiating same-sex marriages himself, full retreat nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #25
LOL King_David Mar 2015 #38
back peddle, back peddle.... blackspade Mar 2015 #26
Repeal it Governor Pence. Adsos Letter Mar 2015 #27
nothing short of handmade34 Mar 2015 #30
100% of the aim of this bill and its signers is/was to sanction in new Jim Crow laws against blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #31
Would "anybody else" also include sentient artificial intelligence Trillo Mar 2015 #32
Yes the new James Crow Jr. and the new John Birch Jr. The JBS is still active, appalachiablue Mar 2015 #33
I don't really get this law. Beacool Mar 2015 #34
Exactly. Green is the only color and creditworthy is the only orientation cosmicone Mar 2015 #39

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
22. Yep. Pool 'ol Pence,
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:17 PM
Mar 2015

martyred by the 'librul' media.

And the 'librul' business owners.

And the 'librul' NCAA.


DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
6. I can live with him back pedaling to "please corporate masters" in this case....
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:49 AM
Mar 2015

and thank those "corporate masters" for standing against discrimination against the members of my community and any other community.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
17. "Backpedalling to please corporate masters" - And you know what?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:01 PM
Mar 2015

Those corporations are trying to please an angry citizenry. So who's the real master here?

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
21. And just as important is..
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:06 PM
Mar 2015

the fact that there are a lot of people that are gay that WORK at these corporations at all levels that would themselves be discriminated against potentially.

It's good PR, but it's also the right thing to do.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
35. Aww, evil corporate masters wanting social equality.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:40 PM
Mar 2015

How utterly horrible! Would it be that we didn't have corporations but a giant government entity that implemented these laws for the will of the people!

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
3. They need to just repeal it. "A little less discrimination" is not acceptable.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:44 AM
Mar 2015

Any attempt to "clarify" etc. is just going to make it more likely that there will be more litigation and only the trial lawyers will benefit. Republicans are always braying about "tort reform" but they make things worse with bad laws.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
19. "They need to just repeal it" - or alter the existing language of the bill itself.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

Adding legislation to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act will not remove the offending language...and leaves a door open to use that language in the intended offending way.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
4. only purpose I can now
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:47 AM
Mar 2015

would be to give the neocon "christians" somewhat of a blessing for being a bigot in their private lives.......

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
5. Money talks. No matter how many protests were launched against
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:48 AM
Mar 2015

the Republican discrimination law, they were totally ignored - until Indiana was faced with a huge boycott that would cost that State tens of millions.

Sickening that this is the only reason why Gov. Pence is backpeddling, and for no other reason.

Still, they - meaning, the moneyed people threatening a boycott of the State - should continue to push until Republicans in Indiana REPEAL that neo-Jim Crow law.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
15. This is the real takeaway. If you want to get something changed, you better get business behind
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

you or your calls will fall on deaf ears. How do you get businesses behind you? Hit them in the pocketbook.

Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
7. Governor Dense lied all through the press conference
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

I listened to most of the conference on Sirus radio and Governor Dense sounded really bad

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
8. "We want to make it clear that Hoosier hospitality is not a slogan, it's a way of life," Pence said.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015
Has to be hands down the funniest statement I have read regarding this debacle.

"We just did a dipshit move but we don't want anyone tho think that we might be dipshits."

Just to be clear, Governor, it is not "Hoosier hospitality" which is in question. Nice try though.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
9. Well, um.. that was the whole, pandering, point of it.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:51 AM
Mar 2015

As if religious freedom in Indiana was in danger prior to this? The whole "point" of this legislation was to further conservative goals ..which happens to be anti - anything gay.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
10. "After much reflection....."
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:55 AM
Mar 2015

Yeah. Like seeing your political ASS handed to you on a silver platter.

Idiot.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. He can't put the toothpaste back in the tube
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

A full repeal is the only thing that will control the damage. Anything else will be seen as playing games.

Besides, a lot of the damage done will be irreversible. Arizona is still reeling from its attempts at legalized discrimination.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
13. Not Far Enough.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:58 AM
Mar 2015

"pence backs down"??? HOW? All he did was basically play with himself at the podium today. It's NOT the law that's bad. It's YOUR misperception. YOUR mischaracterization. YOU are the ones at fault because YOU'RE just reading it wrong. We're sorry we have to go through this because YOU are misreading it and misinterpreting.

Yeah, well, YOU too, pence. But I forgot one word. Please kindly add a "FUCK" in front of the "YOU" in this case. K?

SansACause

(520 posts)
14. This is really the only thing the Tea People can do.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

They can't govern. Their economic policies are devastating to their states. Their education policies are laughable. All that they can really accomplish is to pass a stack of religious-themed laws in order to please the people who voted them in.

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
18. in addition to be a bigot, is he a coward now too. he should stand his ground and alienate alot more
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

people and take the gop primary slate down the shit hole where they belong and where they fit in.

graegoyle

(532 posts)
20. Standing up for religiosity...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

On bended knee for money.

The religionists who back him; can they see through him, now?
And can the others see this act for what it is: Pandering to both religion and money.

One cannot serve two masters.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
28. no way
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

ok , so there is an amendment to protect the LGBT community... NOW it is all about discriminating against Women!!! if it was not about discrimination... there would have been no need for any kind of law in the first place... this is a law to make sure that Fundamental Christians' rights supersede women's rights

we have NOT won!!!!

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
31. 100% of the aim of this bill and its signers is/was to sanction in new Jim Crow laws against
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:08 PM
Mar 2015

gay Americans (and, really, anybody else, too). The bills signers know it. And everybody else knows it. Don't be fooled by the Republicans lies.


Trillo

(9,154 posts)
32. Would "anybody else" also include sentient artificial intelligence
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:16 PM
Mar 2015

likely owned by a few large corporations. I know it seems tinfoil, and you probably just did a double-take on my "ridiculous" predicate and twisting of what you said, but should self-aware machines exist now or in the future, could there one day be a time when "anybody else" morphs to "everybody else"?

appalachiablue

(41,127 posts)
33. Yes the new James Crow Jr. and the new John Birch Jr. The JBS is still active,
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:25 PM
Mar 2015

founded by Robt. Welch and Fred Koch Sr. in Indianapolis in 1958. Neo-Birchers, Neo-Nazis, ah!

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
34. I don't really get this law.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

If you own a business, don't you want to make money? Why would anyone care about the sex lives of their customers?



 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
39. Exactly. Green is the only color and creditworthy is the only orientation
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:01 PM
Mar 2015

a business should care about.

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