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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:17 PM Mar 2015

Russian analyst urges nuclear attack on Yellowstone National Park and San Andreas fault line

Source: The Sydney Morning Herald

A Russian geopolitical analyst says the best way to attack the United States is to detonate nuclear weapons to trigger a supervolcano at Yellowstone National Park or along the San Andreas fault line on California's coast.

The president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems based in Moscow, Konstantin Sivkov said in an article for a Russian trade newspaper on Wednesday, VPK News, that Russia needed to increase its military weapons and strategies against the "West" which was "moving to the borders or Russia".

He has a conspiracy theory that NATO - a political and military alliance which counts the US, UK, Canada and many countries in western Europe as members - was amassing strength against Russia and the only way to combat that problem was to attack America's vulnerabilities to ensure a "complete destruction of the enemy".

"Geologists believe that the Yellowstone supervolcano could explode at any moment. There are signs of growing activity there. Therefore it suffices to push the relatively small, for example the impact of the munition megaton class to initiate an eruption. The consequences will be catastrophic for the United States - a country just disappears," he said.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/russian-analyst-urges-nuclear-attack-on-yellowstone-national-park-and-san-andreas-fault-line-20150331-1mbl14.html



I didn't really want to post this because it is so utterly fucked up and shocking to actually process.....
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Russian analyst urges nuclear attack on Yellowstone National Park and San Andreas fault line (Original Post) peoli Mar 2015 OP
And this is the country Liberalagogo Mar 2015 #1
He is a nothing. Seems that reporting on attention seeking retired **captains** is profitable in newthinking Mar 2015 #26
Thank you! I was thinking about that, too. Bless your heart. Yahoo. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #36
Looks like this guy just finished reading Harry Turtledove's book matt819 Mar 2015 #2
He also mentions Andrei Sakharov's idea of initiating a tsunami off California bananas Mar 2015 #15
This guy is a fucking nutball, the damage from Yellowstone wouldn't be confined to the US, in fact.. Humanist_Activist Mar 2015 #3
Good luck with that. Idoits. Fearless Mar 2015 #4
What part of Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #5
it seems to be forgotten in Washington too along with the corollary yurbud Mar 2015 #16
The ONLY reason we don't want countries like Iran Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #19
Yep. The CIA said IF Sadam had nukes, he'd only user them as a last resort yurbud Mar 2015 #21
The part about it being a Bad Thing? (n/t) William Seger Apr 2015 #39
Just leave that one to North Korea. The MIC says thank you. gordianot Mar 2015 #6
Do they even have a Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator like the Bush admin. wanted ? jakeXT Mar 2015 #7
Last time i read about that they still hadn't figured how to tunnel through dirt like water. bemildred Mar 2015 #18
He should pitch that to Hollywood. marble falls Mar 2015 #8
Somebody call Reed Richards. Jerry442 Mar 2015 #9
Tactically it probally would work as it would KO the US/North American continent PFunk Mar 2015 #10
But remember to buy all the real estate to the east of the fault first ... muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #11
What does Snowden think about this? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #12
too many humans beings heaven05 Mar 2015 #13
Teabagger science-challenged strategy. Gman Mar 2015 #14
That would lead to some classic "blowback", he should read up on supervolcanoes. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #17
What a moron. n/t Bonhomme Richard Mar 2015 #20
A megaton nuke isn't even close to powerful enough to do what he claims NickB79 Mar 2015 #22
What a nutbag Still In Wisconsin Mar 2015 #23
That was not a very nice thing to say. n/t Little Tich Mar 2015 #24
Russia has it's own NGO talking heads too. The guy is a private analyst and was only a captain newthinking Mar 2015 #25
Gee and he didn't analyze that we might do it to ourselves with Cleita Mar 2015 #27
"Geologists believe that the Yellowstone supervolcano could explode at any moment" IDemo Mar 2015 #28
Sounds like something Lex Luthor would come up with shawn703 Mar 2015 #29
It's a good thing you posted a picture of the REAL Superman davidpdx Apr 2015 #38
all right, what ekranoplan manufacturer is behind THIS MisterP Mar 2015 #30
It's Red Dawn! Larry Engels Mar 2015 #31
Again? Throckmorton Apr 2015 #37
The island of Kallyfornia. Historic NY Apr 2015 #32
We show the world how stupid we are Politicalboi Apr 2015 #33
Exactly! CreekDog Apr 2015 #34
This guy hasn't heard of MAD, has he? sakabatou Apr 2015 #35
This guys an idiot... damyank913 Apr 2015 #40

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
26. He is a nothing. Seems that reporting on attention seeking retired **captains** is profitable in
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:44 PM
Mar 2015

the current russophobe atmosphere.

See my post below.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
2. Looks like this guy just finished reading Harry Turtledove's book
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:21 PM
Mar 2015

Harry Turtledove recently penned a thriller revolving around a Yosemite supervolcano - no Russians involved. Enjoyable book, but I'm not sure it should be used as the basis of a Russian nuclear first strike.

And, let's face it, the nuclear thing is likely to have a tad more impact than the supervolcano thing.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
15. He also mentions Andrei Sakharov's idea of initiating a tsunami off California
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:45 PM
Mar 2015

From google translate:

Another option megaudara - initiation of giant tsunami. This idea of ​​Andrei Sakharov. The point is to blow up some ammunition in reference points along the Atlantic and Pacific transform faults (within 3-4 each) at a depth of six to eight kilometers. As a result, according to the calculations of Sakharov and other scientists formed wave, which is off the coast of the United States will reach a height of 400-500 meters or more. Collapsed on the mainland, it will wash away all at a distance of over 500 kilometers. If explosions produce at great depths, near the bottom, where the crust in places most docking plate is thin, it can be locally destroyed, and the magma comes into contact with ocean water, repeatedly reinforce the force of the explosion. In this case, the height of the tsunami will reach more than a mile, and the zone of destruction exceeds 1,500 kilometers from the coast. This will only "clean" weapons - nuclear winter will not come, because they do not form a gigantic dust clouds and water vapor will fall to the ground as a monstrous radioactive showers near its formation, that is, the same US. Such an attack is definitely initiates tectonic activity throughout the region, including, quite possibly, the eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano and. Backward wave will wash Europe. That is the whole NATO. Monstrous will cataclysm. But this asymmetric threat last frontier - not some regions of Russia, and not the whole of Western civilization. To catastrophic geophysical consequences will undermine even one powerful ammunition in the area of ​​the San Andreas Fault, San Gabriel or San Hosinto

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For those unfamiliar with Sakharov:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov

He became renowned as the designer of the Soviet Union's Third Idea, a codename for Soviet development of thermonuclear weapons. Sakharov later became an advocate of civil liberties and civil reforms in the Soviet Union, for which he faced state persecution; these efforts earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1975. The Sakharov Prize, which is awarded annually by the European Parliament for people and organizations dedicated to human rights and freedoms, is named in his honour.[1]


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/peopleevents/pandeAMEX67.html

His work on the nuclear program ultimately led Sakharov down the road toward dissent. Following the test of the first Soviet superbomb in 1955, Sakharov became increasingly disturbed by the consequences of his work: "When you see all of this yourself, something in you changes," he wrote. "When you see the burned birds who are withering on the scorched steppe, when you see how the shock wave blows away buildings like houses of cards, when you feel the reek of splintered bricks, when you sense melted glass, you immediately think of times of war... All of this triggers an irrational yet very strong emotional impact. How not to start thinking of one's responsibility at this point?"

In 1957 his concern about the biological hazards of nuclear testing inspired him to write an article about the effects of low-level radiation. In it he concluded that, the detonation of a one-megaton bomb would create 10,000 human casualties. "Halting the tests," he wrote, "will directly save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people." Over the next ten years he became more and more concerned with civic issues. And in 1968, while still working on the Soviet nuclear weapons program, Sakharov wrote an essay that would thrust him into the international spotlight.


http://www.aip.org/history/sakharov/

Andrei Sakharov (1921-1989) was a Soviet physicist who became, in the words of the Nobel Peace Committee, a spokesman for the conscience of mankind. He was fascinated by fundamental physics and cosmology, but first he spent two decades designing nuclear weapons. He came to be regarded as the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb, contributing perhaps more than anyone else to the military might of the USSR. But gradually Sakharov became one of the regime's most courageous critics, a defender of human rights and democracy. He could not be silenced, and helped bring down one of history's most powerful dictatorships. This exhibit tells about Sakharov's extraordinary life.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
3. This guy is a fucking nutball, the damage from Yellowstone wouldn't be confined to the US, in fact..
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

the short term climatic changes will probably hit Russia, northern Europe and Canada hardest, imagine another Year without Summer, but lasting 5 years or more, worldwide food shortages, crops destroyed for years, etc. Russia, N. Europe and Canada would be in a deep freeze for that length of time, and I imagine the people there, whoever survives, would have to flee, becoming stateless refugees.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
16. it seems to be forgotten in Washington too along with the corollary
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:21 PM
Mar 2015

about what would happen to a small country with a handful of nukes used one against a nation with thousands or even just hundreds.

Or at least that's what they pretend when they claim countries like Iraq or Iran would be a threat to us if they had nukes.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
19. The ONLY reason we don't want countries like Iran
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:46 PM
Mar 2015

getting a few nukes is that it would seriously screw up our ability to illegally invade them. The Marines are not going to be too gung ho about pushing into a country that could actually defend itself to the tune of a 50 kt welcome.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
21. Yep. The CIA said IF Sadam had nukes, he'd only user them as a last resort
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:06 PM
Mar 2015

Evil or not, you don't become dictator of a country by being stupid.

gordianot

(15,232 posts)
6. Just leave that one to North Korea. The MIC says thank you.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

Mother nature does not respect puny humans and already has plans for payback.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. Do they even have a Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator like the Bush admin. wanted ?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:40 PM
Mar 2015

The Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator

The Bush Administration requested funding from Congress to research a new type of nuclear bomb. The Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (RNEP) is a nuclear weapon that would burrow a few meters into rock or concrete before exploding and thus generating a powerful underground shock wave. Its hypothetical targets are deeply buried command bunkers or underground storage sites containing chemical or biological agents.

The RNEP budget: RNEP is not just a feasibility study: the Department of Energy's 2005 budget included a five-year projection—totaling $484.7 million—for the weapons laboratories to produce a completed warhead design and begin production engineering by 2009.[1] Last year, David L. Hobson, the Republican chairman of the House Appropriations Energy and Water Development Subcommittee, zeroed out FY05 funding for the program, stating, "we cannot advocate for nuclear nonproliferation around the globe, while pursuing more usable nuclear weapons options here at home." However, the FY06 budget request includes $4 million for RNEP and an additional $4.5 million to modify the B-2 bomber to carry the weapon.

http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_weapons_and_global_security/solutions/us-nuclear-weapons/the-robust-nuclear-earth.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. Last time i read about that they still hadn't figured how to tunnel through dirt like water.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:43 PM
Mar 2015

Tsk.

PFunk

(876 posts)
10. Tactically it probally would work as it would KO the US/North American continent
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:53 PM
Mar 2015

IF you're willing to doom Russia (and the rest of the world) along with it due to it's major aftereffects (just look up what happens if that super-volcano is set off).

Talk about not thinking things thru (shesh).

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. too many humans beings
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:02 PM
Mar 2015

are just sick and evil. This is one of them. And he's some kind of analyst figuring out ways to destroy millions including, probably, himself and those he are working for. People like this are 'in charge' all over the world. I just can't feel comfortable anymore with my tenuous existence on this planet. At one time I though there was a reason for the human race to be here, but with jerks like this roaming the planet, the reason seems to be that we're here to destroy each other. Sickening and depressing.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
22. A megaton nuke isn't even close to powerful enough to do what he claims
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:07 PM
Mar 2015

As powerful as a nuclear warhead is, it's nothing compared to what Mother Nature slings.

And a surface blast above either Yellowstone or San Andreas would have no effect on whether or not either geologic feature let lose.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
23. What a nutbag
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:22 PM
Mar 2015

"Complete destruction of the enemy"

Except, of course, for all the submarine-based missiles that would then rain down on his head.

I guess the US of A does not have a monopoly on mindless warmongers after all.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
25. Russia has it's own NGO talking heads too. The guy is a private analyst and was only a captain
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:41 PM
Mar 2015

in the military. Probably the only way he can get noticed is by saying things like this. How much you want to bet he has financial interests in the arms manufacturers?

The guy is so insignificant that it was incredibly difficult to find his bio. Why does the international press repeat what he says?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. Gee and he didn't analyze that we might do it to ourselves with
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:47 PM
Mar 2015

fracking if the oil industry is allowed to frack anywhere and any time at will, like they would like to.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
28. "Geologists believe that the Yellowstone supervolcano could explode at any moment"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:54 PM
Mar 2015

No they don't, and even a nuke isn't going to trigger it. I'm glad to see that science illiteracy isn't limited to the US.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
38. It's a good thing you posted a picture of the REAL Superman
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:19 AM
Apr 2015

There is only one guy who could play that role and sadly he is no longer with us.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
33. We show the world how stupid we are
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:23 AM
Apr 2015

When the GOP try and sabotage nuke talks, and the idiots who wrote the letter got schooled on their own Constitution by the Iranians.
Russia sees our crazies as their chance to keep throwing lit matches till one catches fire.

damyank913

(787 posts)
40. This guys an idiot...
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:11 PM
Apr 2015

...IF THEY COULD make Yellowstone erupt, They would be introducing so much ash into the atmosphere that the entire worlds food supplies would be affected. This does not exclude Mother Russia. Then again, Russia hasn't been known for giving a dam about the environment.

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