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still_one

(92,136 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:07 PM Oct 2015

US officials: Russian missiles heading for Syria landed in Iran

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)A number of cruise missiles launched from a Russian ship and aimed at targets in Syria have crashed in Iran, two U.S. officials told CNN Thursday.

Monitoring by U.S. military and intelligence assets has concluded that at least four missiles crashed as they flew over Iran. One official said there may be casualties, but another official said this is not yet known.

It's unclear where in Iran the missiles landed. The Russian ships have been positioned in the south Caspian Sea, meaning the likely flight path for missiles into Syria would cross over both Iran and Iraq.

The Russians have been firing a relatively new cruise missile called "Kaliber," using it for the first time in combat.

Iran's semi-official FARS news agency, however, said that neither Russian nor Iranian authorities have confirmed the U.S. officials' information at this point.

On Wednesday, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told President Vladimir Putin on Russian television that all 26 missiles launched from four missile ships struck their targets, with no civilian facilities hit. Putin then congratulated him on the performance of the weapons.

It was not clear, however, whether Shoigu was referring to the same missiles as the U.S. officials, as the latter may have been describing ones launched after the TV appearance.

The assessment came as Defense Secretary Ashton Carter warned Thursday at NATO headquarters in Brussels that Russia would likely suffer casualties "within the coming days" as it deepens its military involvement in Syria.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/index.html


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/index.html



So much for the pinpoint accuracy Putin was telling us yesterday I guess
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US officials: Russian missiles heading for Syria landed in Iran (Original Post) still_one Oct 2015 OP
Weapons testing exercise... Hulk Oct 2015 #1
Good point. zeemike Oct 2015 #2
Excellent point! Partners in $$$$$'s. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #7
I've noticed some inaccuracy in their released footage of bombing too 7962 Oct 2015 #3
That is interesting. I didn't think about that still_one Oct 2015 #5
Shakespearean: Homophobic Russia hits homophobic Iran. Democrats_win Oct 2015 #4
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #8
... Of course, unnamed "U.S. officials" speaking to CNN Ghost Dog Oct 2015 #6
^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Oct 2015 #9
If it wasnt true, Russia would've already denied it. 7962 Oct 2015 #16
Oh well....we ALL make mistakes, don't we? nt Bigmack Oct 2015 #10
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Oct 2015 #11
I suspect if there were injuries we would hear from them sooner still_one Oct 2015 #12
here's some: EX500rider Oct 2015 #13
Thanks for the link red dog 1 Oct 2015 #19
Om Ghost Dog Oct 2015 #20
"Iran's Irna news agency reported on Wednesday that an unknown flying object had crashed... red dog 1 Oct 2015 #23
Would be a pretty good Munificence Oct 2015 #22
At least U.S. cruise missiles hit the right COUNTRY tabasco Oct 2015 #14
SO many people are unaware of the Finland invasion. nt 7962 Oct 2015 #17
THIS is why we should step back from Syria and not take sides. louis-t Oct 2015 #15
Pretty good plan tabasco Oct 2015 #18
One-in-six US missiles fired during Desert Storm also didn't find their targets, too. leveymg Oct 2015 #21
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
1. Weapons testing exercise...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:18 PM
Oct 2015

Just like for the U.S., Palestine is a weapons testing laboratory for the U.S. Police control gas, non-lethal bullets, etc. Iraq and Afghanistan have been fertile ground to test and advance our military weaponry.

Russia is playing "catch up". They have to test out their new products and stay in the lucrative weapon export business as well. Some need tweaking and some need to be discarded. This is a big piece of Russian and American involvement in wars all around the world. We don't give them weapons for free because they are "special". We give them weapons "to test out".

Amen

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
2. Good point.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:31 PM
Oct 2015

Weapons need to be tested in real world conditions...and these conflicts are good places to do that.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
3. I've noticed some inaccuracy in their released footage of bombing too
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:31 PM
Oct 2015

Those night vision scenes we are so used to seeing; I have noticed several times the explosion being a good bit away from the crosshair of the laser painting.
Unless there's some other reason; I'm no expert on it. Just seems as though when we see videos of US strikes, it hits where the crosshair is aiming.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
6. ... Of course, unnamed "U.S. officials" speaking to CNN
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:45 PM
Oct 2015

could not possibly be considered by any patriotic USian to be possibly engaged in what is described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_%28United_States%29

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
13. here's some:
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015
Iran's Irna news agency reported on Wednesday that an unknown flying object had crashed in the village of Ghozghapan in the Iranian province of West Azerbaijan, said to be under the missiles' flight path.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34479873

So 4 out of 26 crash...about a 12% failure rate...pretty good for Russian stuff.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
20. Om
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:14 PM
Oct 2015
"... But conservative Iranian media described the reports of missiles landing in Iran as "psychological operations by the US against Moscow".

"Since Russia began its operations in Syria, Western media and officials have launched an all-out assault against Moscow," the Fars News Agency, thought to have close affiliations with Iran's Revolutionary Guards, said.

Russia's defence ministry also denied the reports..."


Yes. Thankyou, Cough, BBC.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
23. "Iran's Irna news agency reported on Wednesday that an unknown flying object had crashed...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

...in the village of Ghozghapan in the Iranian province of West Azerbaijan, said to be under the missile's flight path."...(From the BBC article)

So, one Iranian news agency, Irna, did report "that an unknown flying object had crashed."

However, the two Iranian quotes you chose to use were:
1) - The Fars News Agency, ("thought to have close affiliations with Iran's Revolutionary Guards&quot is the news agency which claimed that: "Western media and officials have launched an all-out assault against Moscow."
2) - "...But conservative Iranian media described the reports of missiles landing in Iran as
'psychological operations by the U.S. against Moscow."

As far as your other quote from the BBC article:
"Russia's defense ministry also denied the reports..".
What did you expect?
Dis you expect Putin to ADMIT that 4 of the 26 Cruise missiles fired from Russian warships stationed nearly 1,000 miles away MAY have accidentally crashed in Iran?
"Syria-Bound Russian Missiles Fly Too Close To Sun"
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/russian-missiles-fly-too-close-to-sun-land-in-iran-by-mistake/409726/

It should come as no surprise that Putin's "Defense Ministry also denied the reports."

Putin always denies anything that might make him or Russia look bad.

He's still "denying" that any Russian soldiers are in eastern Ukraine.

He's still denying that either Russian soldiers or Russian-backed fighters shot down the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, killing 298 civilians, a year ago.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/17/how-we-know-russia-shot-down-mh17.html

Was there anything in that BBC article that was incorrect

Who lies all the time, Putin or the BBC?



 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
14. At least U.S. cruise missiles hit the right COUNTRY
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

The Russians are often embarrassed when they try to invade other countries.

Finland, for example.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
15. THIS is why we should step back from Syria and not take sides.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:52 PM
Oct 2015

We can't stop Putin. Let him be the one to screw everything up.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
21. One-in-six US missiles fired during Desert Storm also didn't find their targets, too.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 03:14 AM
Oct 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/25/cruise-missiles-missile_n_840365.html

The Tomahawk was first used operationally in the 1991 Gulf War, when 288 cruise missiles were fired at Kuwait and Iraq to destroy Iraqi forces. The Navy claimed the missiles, which were used to target everything from air defense sites to Saddam's presidential palace, had an 85 percent accuracy rate.


It's exactly what you would expect with a new Russian missile. Much of their systems are technologically 15-25 years behind, have less development (the Russians haven't been in nearly as many wars), and cost far, far less than U.S. counterparts. But still, 80 percent is pretty good, all things considered.
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