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riversedge

(69,708 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:43 AM Oct 2015

CNN releases Democratic debate podium order

Source: cnn




CNN releases Democratic debate podium order

By Eugene Scott, CNN

Updated 9:34 AM ET, Sun October 11, 2015


Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton will be center stage on Tuesday night for the Democratic presidential candidates' first debate, according to the podium order released by CNN, which is hosting the event.

The position of the five candidates on the stage at the CNN Facebook Democratic Debate in Las Vegas is based on polls since Aug. 1 and was announced on CNN's "State of the Union."..............

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/11/politics/cnn-democratic-debate-podium-order/index.html






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K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #1
K & R. Grammy-award winning singer Sheryl Crow will perform the National Anthem appalachiablue Oct 2015 #60
Thanks!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #70
Sure thing. I like Sheryl's singing and her activism, good choice. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #71
Sheryl Crow gave a fabulous performance at the Denver convention in 2008 DFW Oct 2015 #112
Thanks, didn't know that and it's not surprising as you say. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #113
She and Stevie Wonder were the musical acts on the final night DFW Oct 2015 #114
Wow, great choices & pix from a wonderful occasion. That must have been terrific to see! appalachiablue Oct 2015 #115
It was quite a week! DFW Oct 2015 #116
Next time there's an Inaugural ball you want to attend, go for it! No, I don't think you'll appalachiablue Oct 2015 #117
Cable!!! markmyword Oct 2015 #100
Can't you watch from the CNN website? RKP5637 Oct 2015 #101
Then watch it on cnn.com Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #102
America is about to taught a sharp lessen in sharp minds versus the mush brain GOP "debates". Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2
+1 n/t ejbr Oct 2015 #45
Only the Americans that watch. We know the 'ugs won't and the locked-in dems won't. erronis Oct 2015 #59
If you're claiming to be smarter, please spell "lesson" correctly JackRiddler Oct 2015 #104
So what, the word "lesson" was misspelled. get over it c588415 Oct 2015 #108
I have nothing to get over. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #109
Not thrilled that all our candidates are white oberliner Oct 2015 #3
How do you propose to correct the issue? Quackers Oct 2015 #5
Neither would I. 840high Oct 2015 #52
Same way lack of diversity in other industries ought to be corrected oberliner Oct 2015 #65
How Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #103
Broad commitment to greater political access for women and people of color oberliner Oct 2015 #105
well, Ben Carson could always switch parties, if that is you criteria? still_one Oct 2015 #13
And Carly Fiorina, too Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #26
Yup, that will cover the demographic representation still_one Oct 2015 #28
Are there no liberals or progressives of color who would make good candidates for POTUS? oberliner Oct 2015 #66
First of all I know you recognize it was sarcastic . However, the point being that isn't a still_one Oct 2015 #72
Of course oberliner Oct 2015 #75
I know. still_one Oct 2015 #78
I though Bernie was Red? demwing Oct 2015 #49
The primaries are open to anyone. Apparently these are the ones who chose to run. nt 7962 Oct 2015 #55
That is definitely not true oberliner Oct 2015 #67
Who is being barred entry? The only barrier is getting known & raising money. 7962 Oct 2015 #91
Larry Lessig blackspade Oct 2015 #95
Never heard of him. But hey, they put up 10 GOP, there's room for 1 more Dem nt 7962 Oct 2015 #96
At least two of us know who he is. nt End Of The Road Oct 2015 #110
Well, we have Barack Obama Tab Oct 2015 #64
The Democratic party base is diverse - our candidate pool does not reflect that diversity oberliner Oct 2015 #68
The DNC is clearly showing favoritism for Hillary by placing her in the center. onehandle Oct 2015 #4
I'm actually excited. Quackers Oct 2015 #6
Chuckle. riversedge Oct 2015 #8
I thought Sanders was ahead in all 50 states? George II Oct 2015 #12
after this he will be roguevalley Oct 2015 #51
THIS ^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #56
True because everyone wants a unicorn that farts glitter upaloopa Oct 2015 #77
and that is why hillary won't get my vote. Have a great few days until roguevalley Oct 2015 #82
HILLARY WILL SHOW SHE IS THE BEST, whe will be #1. Bernie or O'Malley will come in 2nd. trueblue2007 Oct 2015 #80
thank you for the update from your crystal ball. no one knows what roguevalley Oct 2015 #83
Prophecies are bemusing to read... much like astrology signs. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #97
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #89
Well, well. For the first time Bernie is to the right of Hillary. bigwillq Oct 2015 #7
Yes, and people were whining about Clinton's logo, claiming it pointed right, but.... George II Oct 2015 #10
... RKP5637 Oct 2015 #29
Another manipulation by DWS!!!! (sarcasm) George II Oct 2015 #9
The DWS DNC DLC Third Way Establishment Has Stacked The Deck Yet Again cantbeserious Oct 2015 #11
Yeah - they give a shit what we think Plucketeer Oct 2015 #20
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Oct 2015 #21
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RKP5637 Oct 2015 #31
K&R! stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #14
I hope Bernie's message gets out. StoneCarver Oct 2015 #15
+1 coyote Oct 2015 #16
Yes - And It will Be Interesting To See How Time Is Managed Between The Five Candidates cantbeserious Oct 2015 #22
That is my fear Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #32
Most of the politicians are the SOS. Bernie is one that stands out reminding me of what the RKP5637 Oct 2015 #33
Nailed it XemaSab Oct 2015 #44
Minimum polling requirement Geronimoe Oct 2015 #17
I agree with you Plucketeer Oct 2015 #24
For M$M it's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #37
CNN set too low a bar. Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #46
No Lawrence Lessig? BOOOOO! I know he does not… johnfunk Oct 2015 #18
Seems he didn't meet their standard of scoring in the polls. freedom fighter jh Oct 2015 #23
there's the answer to the question FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #41
It was the other way around. Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #47
Why isn't Lessig there??? Helen Borg Oct 2015 #30
CNN criteria Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #48
That sucks, pollsters kept him out Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #34
Yep, DNC, DLC, Third Way rigged IMO. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #39
Do any of us think the debate is not rigged? Thespian2 Oct 2015 #50
Exactly! A good many of the upper crust republicans and democrats are just the same. People whine RKP5637 Oct 2015 #69
Debbie declared him invalid FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #40
I agree, we need Lessig in the debates. nt MH1 Oct 2015 #57
good point. mylye2222 Oct 2015 #61
To be fair, she is leading in most polls, right? MH1 Oct 2015 #63
If the purpose of the debate is to offer an equal chance for all parties to present their arguments RichVRichV Oct 2015 #106
I wish Larry had gotten into the debates. End Of The Road Oct 2015 #111
She'll stand out! Helen Borg Oct 2015 #19
Hopefully Plucketeer Oct 2015 #25
I think that is sexist Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #36
NO WAY! Chasstev365 Oct 2015 #27
So, instead of a random approach, they give front runner the advantage. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #35
Bernie will shine Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2015 #38
I think so the more the masses hear of him. There are millions upon millions in the US that have RKP5637 Oct 2015 #42
Wanna bet Webb is gonna use this as an audition for Vice-President? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #43
I'm glad we have candidates lovemydog Oct 2015 #53
HRC campaign has already done opposition research on Biden. Psephos Oct 2015 #87
Wow, I forgot all about Chafee. bet I'm not alone.... 7962 Oct 2015 #54
Sanders needs to be careful not to come across as an angry blowhard Orrex Oct 2015 #58
Bernie is doing fine in the midwest. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2015 #73
We'll see. Orrex Oct 2015 #74
Are you from the midwest? ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2015 #76
Because the midwest is not hidden behind a curtain. Orrex Oct 2015 #79
I've heard no complaints. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #107
Actually that positioning is very interesting pinebox Oct 2015 #62
Too bad the "less-than-1%" candidates were included. Lychee2 Oct 2015 #81
You're joking, right? elleng Oct 2015 #84
Actually, no. Lychee2 Oct 2015 #86
So you select what you learn about candidates from poll numbers elleng Oct 2015 #88
I select among the possible. Lychee2 Oct 2015 #92
This is NOT a late stage of the game, elleng Oct 2015 #93
I'm glad they're included. lovemydog Oct 2015 #90
Why do I keep hearing a Stealer's Wheel newblewtoo Oct 2015 #85
interesting that chafee and om are next to each other restorefreedom Oct 2015 #94
Bernie to the left of Hillary Fearless Oct 2015 #98
Let the games begin!! lark Oct 2015 #99

appalachiablue

(41,047 posts)
60. K & R. Grammy-award winning singer Sheryl Crow will perform the National Anthem
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

at the Democratic Party Debate. She's an environmentalist and has an avid interest in politics according to this CNN article. The Anthem was played at the GOP Debate I believe but I don't know if there's ever been a singer.




CNN, 'Sheryl Crow Set to Perform at CNN Democratic Party Debate', Fri. Oct. 9, 2015.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/entertainment/sheryl-crow-cnn-debate-feat/index.html

DFW

(54,047 posts)
112. Sheryl Crow gave a fabulous performance at the Denver convention in 2008
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015

So this, while an unusual venue, is not surprising.

DFW

(54,047 posts)
114. She and Stevie Wonder were the musical acts on the final night
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Oct 2015

Mother Nature played along and gave us a beautiful balmy night at the Denver Stadium. Howard was MC as party chairman, and it was one inspiring speech after another interspersed with great music.

The stage was tiny from far away, but they had a big screen above the stands:
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appalachiablue

(41,047 posts)
115. Wow, great choices & pix from a wonderful occasion. That must have been terrific to see!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:55 PM
Oct 2015

I was able to attend an Inaugural ball in Jan. 09 at the Smithsonian. It was a great event with Anita Baker performing.

DFW

(54,047 posts)
116. It was quite a week!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

I've never been to an Inaugural Ball. I've been invited four times now (guess which four LOL!!), but they're always on Jan. 20th, and I have to be back over here usually by the 17th at the latest. Maybe next time, I'll play hooky. What're they gonna do, fire me at age 65 and find someone else who speaks German, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Catalan, Dutch, Swedish and French (yes, I need them all for my work) on short notice?

appalachiablue

(41,047 posts)
117. Next time there's an Inaugural ball you want to attend, go for it! No, I don't think you'll
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:57 PM
Oct 2015

be fired with all your language and other skills. That's amazing. I studied German and French and now wish I'd also learned some Spanish which is on the list. I'm not that great, but love language and culture. The German pursuit (masochist!) was from visiting Germany when young with European friends. It made a huge impact and encouraged me to return to Europe and England quite a few times, also to see some of SA. The parents and an aunt and uncle who worked overseas are a lot of why I got the 'travel gene', happily.

Over the years I've been to three presidential Inaugural events, a blast- Clinton and Obama. Remember to wear sensible shoes for standing, have some eats before the affair, and Don't bring a bulky, valued coat. Retrieval at the coat check room on departure can be time consuming and pandemonium b/c of crowds. One year, Clinton's 2nd I think, there was a near riot at DC's beautiful Union Station ball due to big crowds plus some mix up like understaffing, so obtaining coats was a nightmare. Some just left without theirs friends told us; the coat mayhem even made the local news.

markmyword

(180 posts)
100. Cable!!!
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:18 PM
Oct 2015

I don't have cable and I don't want cable!

I'd like to see the debates, but they're limited to ONLY the people who PAY to watch TV . That's leaving a LOT of Americans out of the debates AND exposure to Bernie!!!

If you're trying to reach the masses, well a lot of them can't afford cable.

The last Republican question and answer pony show, which is NOT a debate was on cable too!

Somebody should tell the Democratic Party leaders, that by not having the debates on regular TV, they're loosing a big audience.
Don't forget Trump and Carson are getting tons of publicity and name recognition without these debates.

Bernie needs more name recognition with the average person. Several people I've talked to, have no idea who he is, or that he's running for President!

To top it off ,its at the Wynn casino, who's anti democrats, that's plain stupid!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. America is about to taught a sharp lessen in sharp minds versus the mush brain GOP "debates".
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

And no "two tier" coverage necessary because one party does have it's shit together while the other is flinging shit at each other and at you and me, and at anyone and anything that does not conform with their world of myth and lies.

Decision 2016: Human or Ape - who will America choose to lead it?

erronis

(14,941 posts)
59. Only the Americans that watch. We know the 'ugs won't and the locked-in dems won't.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:29 PM
Oct 2015

That only leaves some free-thinking, probably liberal ones.

Probably excludes some of my friends that are so vested in "The First Lady" no matter what.

Fortunately, probably includes a lot of young and caring voters that really want the hear the positions.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
5. How do you propose to correct the issue?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

I wouldn't want them to put someone up there solely based on their gender or race.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
65. Same way lack of diversity in other industries ought to be corrected
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

Democrats have been on the front lines in promoting such initiatives in other arenas; it behooves us to do the same in this one.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
105. Broad commitment to greater political access for women and people of color
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:45 PM
Oct 2015

The United States Senate has had nine African-American elected or appointed office holders in its entire history.

Similar lack of diversity among Democratic governors.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
66. Are there no liberals or progressives of color who would make good candidates for POTUS?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

If that is the case, then that is a serious problem.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
72. First of all I know you recognize it was sarcastic . However, the point being that isn't a
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:27 PM
Oct 2015

sufficient criteria for choosing a president, and anyone can run for the Democratic nomination if so inclined
Regardless of race, gender, or religion

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
75. Of course
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

I am not suggesting there is anything progressive about Ben Carson or Herman Cain.

I am saying that it is disappointing that there is not more diversity among our candidate pool.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
67. That is definitely not true
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

There are many barriers to entry in terms of being a candidate in the primary who gets a podium slot at the debate.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
64. Well, we have Barack Obama
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:05 PM
Oct 2015

but if offered Cain or Carson I'd have to pass. That said, just because someone's white doesn't qualify them either (look at the whole Republican slate of candidates, Carson aside).

We can just encourage females and people of color to get into the party, but it's getting so nasty that a lot of good people don't want to be involved. And I don't blame them. Even white guys often don't want the job (Speaker of the House, anyone?), and look at all the crap Obama puts up with (Kenyan, birth certificate, even blatant complaints about the n---- in the White House); I'm not surprised others are cautious.

Plus they have to fund-raise and generally have a long slog to get to the White House. It's not surprising, though disappointing, that many don't want to go through the hassle. I don't blame them.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
68. The Democratic party base is diverse - our candidate pool does not reflect that diversity
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:09 PM
Oct 2015

This is something I find less than ideal.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. The DNC is clearly showing favoritism for Hillary by placing her in the center.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

Just because she's the solid front-runner in 95%~ states, depending on the polls that day.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is blah blah blah rant rant rant...etc...

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
82. and that is why hillary won't get my vote. Have a great few days until
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

the debate. Then the world can see what is what.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
83. thank you for the update from your crystal ball. no one knows what
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

will happen but my guy is smart and focused. I am not worried. from the underlying tone and caps of your statement, you appear to have concern. Have a great few days until the debate and everyone knows what happened.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. Prophecies are bemusing to read... much like astrology signs.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

Prophecies are bemusing to read... much like astrology signs. Meaningless and unsupported, yet quite fun to examine.

Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. Yes, and people were whining about Clinton's logo, claiming it pointed right, but....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:25 AM
Oct 2015

.....if you were BEHIND her, as we all should be, it points LEFT!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
20. Yeah - they give a shit what we think
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

That's why they keep sending out those phony "What-issues-are-most-important-to-you?" surveys with the "Send Money!" section on the back side. I have asked repeatedly and often, where I could view the results of those surveys and I've never gotten an answer or even an acknowledgement that I'd asked. And why wouldn't they want to share the results of those surveys? They're really just inane questions (always the same ones for that matter!) with answers that any real Democrat would choose the same answers for. But it's all just a ruse to provoke donations - thinking you're fighting the good fight by sending in cash for them to spend as THEY see fit - not as YOU might choose. It's like the pre-ordainment of HRC - just send the money (your dues) and shut up.
I'm convinced those elaborate (and probably expensive) surveys are NEVER EVER tabulated to see what donors say about given issues. You can bet the "donation" side of these mailings gets perfect tabulation - the questionnaire side gets treated to the "circular file".
And what about whichever Dem luminary they affix to these gleaning pleas? It can be Pelosi or Hoyer or Clinton or Reid or...... I often reflect on whether or not the signer has ever SEEN the document that gets sent out as tho it was a personal letter to me...

"Dear Mr. Suckerbait, As I'm sure you know, Democrats are in the minority this time around. Don't you wanna change that, Mr. Suckerbait? This isn't about the idealistic baloney we taunt you with each election cycle - this is about trying to fool you in to throwing in with our corporate financiers like one big, happy family. You'll find that privatized health care and corporate-contrived commerce shenanigans are really that bad once you're immersed in them. That's why we NEED you to play along, Mr. Suckerbait! So please answer the battery of questions we don't ever tally up and give us your credit card information. C'mon now - be a good little Democrat. We've got what you need and WHO you need to get it - all lined up for you. Just send you're money and show up to vote - we'll take care of all the rest. Trust us."

And CAN YOU BELIEVE...... I've gotten TWO mailings from the Democratic Senate - get this..... - asking for donations on the strength of Bernie Sanders popularity!!! Not asking for donations TO Bernie - just money for the Senate because the Dems count him as one of theirs! You hafta know that DWS had a hand in that bit of strategy! It smells like her handiwork (although I'm sure she has plenty of able lieutenants).

The GOP is so obviously a ship of fecal fools, but the ASSumptive DNC is circling in the ceramic whirlpool with them. As Bernie has been saying: we need a POLITICAL revolution - not a partisan one.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
21. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:35 AM
Oct 2015

eom

 

StoneCarver

(249 posts)
15. I hope Bernie's message gets out.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

It's Hillary's to lose. I don't know if Bernie will win or not but it's a national stage for his message. People are pissed and are tired of a rigged system (political, economic, trade, etc.). I see it as our last shot at protecting our democracy. I see very little difference between Bill Clinton, GW Bush, BH Obama, and Hillary. If I were the 1% I know who I'd want -Jeb or Hillary. It makes no difference. So I guess it's ours to lose in the end.
Stonecarver

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
22. Yes - And It will Be Interesting To See How Time Is Managed Between The Five Candidates
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:37 AM
Oct 2015

One suspects that HRC will be thrown the most time and most softballs.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
32. That is my fear
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

I know Bernie will do great, if he is given some time. Same for the rest of the candidates.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
33. Most of the politicians are the SOS. Bernie is one that stands out reminding me of what the
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:58 AM
Oct 2015

democratic party used to be!

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
17. Minimum polling requirement
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

It looks like the debate should be between Hillary and Bernie.

Should they need to be at least about 1% in the polling?

O'Malley is 0.7
Webb is 0.8
Chafee is 0.2

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
24. I agree with you
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:44 AM
Oct 2015

But this is about TV ratings as much as a candidacy. And those three "ain't got a chancers" are just wasted valuable time that we could have to hear from the real contenders. The whole debate scheme is just bullshit for the networks to bounce around. Why not judge the stage positions with respect to the candidates ages? How about a stage position lottery? How about judging their position with an applause meter? Ya hafta wonder if Webb would even get on the stage by that one! - and HOW DID Webb escape the GOP debates? Isn't that where he belongs???

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
46. CNN set too low a bar.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

CNN criteria: an avg of 1% in at least 3 polls in the past six weeks.


They could have said at least 1% overall in all polls in the past six weeks.

Or at least 1% above the margin-of-error.

Or at least 5%.

johnfunk

(6,113 posts)
18. No Lawrence Lessig? BOOOOO! I know he does not…
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

… stand a chance, but his presence would help establish a big blue line in the political sand on what should be the Dems' economic policy.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
23. Seems he didn't meet their standard of scoring in the polls.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:42 AM
Oct 2015

He was getting the required 1%, but then polls stopped including his name -- so he couldn't score in the polls, so he can't be in the debate.



The relevant part starts at 5:00.

Yeah, his presence would force the issue of campaign financing, an issue that needs to be raised. And it would put Hillary to shame for the donations she takes. I think he might stand a chance if people heard of him -- which they would, if he were in the debate.

It's outrageous.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
47. It was the other way around.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:36 PM
Oct 2015

After he announced, most polls didn't include him.

Then he complained to the pollsters and some included him, but his numbers had dropped by then.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
48. CNN criteria
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:38 PM
Oct 2015

...was an avg of 1% in at least 3 polls in the past six weeks.

He was included in few polls, and when he was included he sometimes got under 1%.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
50. Do any of us think the debate is not rigged?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:40 PM
Oct 2015

Democratic No-brain Committee, Don't Listen Council, and the Turd Way...don't give a flying shit about real Democrats...Money is their true god...

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
69. Exactly! A good many of the upper crust republicans and democrats are just the same. People whine
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:14 PM
Oct 2015

there's a difference, I've know them, there is no difference when it comes to $$$$$$$$$$$$$'s.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
61. good point.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary placed at center.... the safer place. I bet the " moderator " will offer her the 2/3 speaking time.

MH1

(17,537 posts)
63. To be fair, she is leading in most polls, right?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

So it seems logical that they would put her at center.

But if there were an even number, no one would be in the center, and Sanders and Clinton could be side by side in the inner positions - which would represent the polling a lot better.

I think the DNC is scared shitless to include Lessig in the debates.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
106. If the purpose of the debate is to offer an equal chance for all parties to present their arguments
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:15 PM
Oct 2015

then it would make more sense to have the positions randomized, or since there's currently more debates than participants (amazingly) use a round robin approach so each candidate gets a chance at center stage. Either of these could result in Clinton being center stage at this debate, but would be more fair than simply favoring whoever gets the most MSM attention (which seems to be the case here for all the positions).

Still I think it's a minor issue in and of itself. I just hope it's not a sign of how the rest of the debate is going to go (and I'm not just referring to Hillary here). It's already bad enough that Lessig was left out.

End Of The Road

(1,397 posts)
111. I wish Larry had gotten into the debates.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:27 PM
Oct 2015

Campaign finance reform is not a sexy topic, but he might have been able to give the issue some legs.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
27. NO WAY!
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:52 AM
Oct 2015

You mean they didn't put Bernie at a card table in the back of the hall? SCREW THE MSM: GO BERNIE!

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
35. So, instead of a random approach, they give front runner the advantage.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:59 AM
Oct 2015

That is decidedly undemocratic.

There's no argument to be made that this is anything but unfair to the other candidates.

Shame on CNN, the debate arrangement should have either been random or revolving with different folks getting center at each debate.

More power to Bernie and O'Malley, the real progressives on stage.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
42. I think so the more the masses hear of him. There are millions upon millions in the US that have
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:09 PM
Oct 2015

just given up they are so fed up with the republicans and democrats, many no longer bother to vote. I have some friends like that and Bernie has renewed their hope for real hope. They had said F 2016, they were not going to listen and didn't give a F they were so fed up with it all, and were not even going to vote. Very stupid IMO. BUT NOW, they listen to Bernie every chance they get.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
53. I'm glad we have candidates
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:05 PM
Oct 2015

who don't call the other ones idiots.

Looking forward to a debate of ideas and policy.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
87. HRC campaign has already done opposition research on Biden.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:32 PM
Oct 2015

Word is it's nasty. Calling him an idiot would be the kindest thing they'll say if/when he jumps in.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
58. Sanders needs to be careful not to come across as an angry blowhard
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

His supporters will deny this, but his "straight talking" Brooklyn-style accent will not serve him well in the south or midwest. These are the states, remember, that thought Gore was "too aggressive" because he took a step forward to shake Bush's paw. A candidate who speaks with a perceived pushiness and with a strong northeastern accent will do himself no favors.

"But Orrex, he's packing them in at rallies nationwide."

Sure, but it's far from clear that he's grabbing the fence-sitters or unbelievers. From most of what I hear, he's drawing in those who already "feel the Bern" plus a handful of easy converts. It's less certain that his "straight talking" will appeal so readily to a wider audience.

This is the candidate who, just a few short weeks ago, barked at an NPR interviewer for asking questions that Sanders didn't like. To all but his supporters, Sanders seemed angry and petulant.


Yes, I know: he was simply "telling it like it is," and he has no time for bullshit questions. Well, that's the name of the game in politics--a ton of bullshit questions that the interviewee doesn't like. And if a candidate can't handle a softball NPR interview gracefully, how will the candidate respond to an intense, months-long national barrage of annoying questions?


I will of course vote for Sanders if he miraculously wins the nomination, but I still can't see it happening.


ForgoTheConsequence

(4,846 posts)
73. Bernie is doing fine in the midwest.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

Here in Iowa he is polling ahead of Hillary. I'm sure he'll take your advice though........

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
107. I've heard no complaints.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:29 PM
Oct 2015

I haven't heard a single person complain about Bernie's personality in Southern Illinois. People I've talked to around here who have watched him speak have loved him. No one has had issue with his speaking style.


This whole gruff grandpa worry seems to be a DU phenomenon as far as I've seen.


Unless he pulls an Ozzy and bites the head off of someone who interrupts him tomorrow, I don't think too many are going to have an issue with his stage presence.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
62. Actually that positioning is very interesting
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:44 PM
Oct 2015

Yes Hillary is in the middle but having the 2 most vocal liberal candidates to her left who both on planning challenging her outright on her stances? The whole "devil on my shoulder" thing comes to mind. I'm thinking this was done very intentional and Hillary's head will be swinging left and right. Interesting CNN.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
81. Too bad the "less-than-1%" candidates were included.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

They dilute the contrast between Hillary and Bernie. Here's how the other candidates are doing in the polls.

O'Malley 0.6%
Chafee 0.2%
Webb 0.9%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

The decision to set the threshold low enough to include them was deliberate:

“It’ll be a threshold that’ll be expansive and allows for the maximum inclusion of our major party candidates," Wasserman Schultz told MSNBC’s Ari Melber. She said the DNC hasn’t “quite finished formulating the details” for the debates, including specific dates, locations and media sponsors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/10/democratic-debate-criteria_n_7772156.html

Who wants to listen to these three impossibilities drone on about their policies? But that's what the DNC wanted, and that's what they got.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
84. You're joking, right?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:16 PM
Oct 2015

I sure as hell hope YOU, and many others, listen to Governor Martin O'Malley 'drone on' about his policies, and if your hearing isn't good, try READING about his policies and plans here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
86. Actually, no.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

But your candidate has about the same chance of winning as my cat, whom I love dearly.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
88. So you select what you learn about candidates from poll numbers
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015

based on what the main stream media chooses to tell you? You think this is SMART?

The election is NOT a horse race, but I guess you haven't figured that out.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
92. I select among the possible.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

Because only the possible can become the actual. And at this late stage of the game, a guy with less than 1% is outside the possible.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
93. This is NOT a late stage of the game,
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:10 PM
Oct 2015

and to select from among those the bought media tells you is 'possible' is extremely irresponsible.

Who heard of Jimmy Carter at this stage of the game in 1975?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
94. interesting that chafee and om are next to each other
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:31 PM
Oct 2015

very anti war, and bernie is immediately to her right

she is surrounded by people who disagree with vehemently on iwr and other hawkish views

should be interesting

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