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swimboy

(7,279 posts)
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:26 PM May 2012

Marshall says 'sodomy is not a civil right'

Source: Richmond Times-Dispatch (Virginia)

In a testy interview today with CNN's Brooke Baldwin on the Virginia legislature's recent refusal to appoint openly gay Richmond prosecutor Tracy Thorne-Begland to a judgeship, Del. Robert G. Marshall, R-Prince William, declared that "sodomy is not a civil right."

Marshall, a U.S. Senate candidate and one of the General Assembly's most conservative members, denied that he had lobbied against Thorne-Begland because he is gay, but instead termed him an "activist."

Marshall rejected Baldwin's comparison of the issue to civil rights and women's suffrage, remarking: "Sodomy is not a civil right. It's not the same as the civil rights movement."



Read more: http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/may/17/marshall-says-sodomy-is-not-a-civil-right-ar-1922377/



These are seriously troubling times in Virginia.
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Marshall says 'sodomy is not a civil right' (Original Post) swimboy May 2012 OP
see how these repukes are? Skittles May 2012 #1
+1 Solly Mack May 2012 #7
And this guy can discriminate any time he wishes. asjr May 2012 #29
he cannot see gay people beyond their sex lives, AlbertCat May 2012 #37
They are denying intelligence and talent in favor of their own cult of stupidity. What a waste. freshwest May 2012 #66
Huh? What? liberal N proud May 2012 #2
The conservatives in the 60s were totally sure equality for blacks wasn't a civil right either. phantom power May 2012 #3
This clown needs a fist in his face... Blue_Tires May 2012 #4
So does anyone who votes for him. FiveGoodMen May 2012 #11
Or he wants one...er...someplace else... Ken Burch May 2012 #40
Let's see, who is the real activist here? Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #5
Right to privacy, pursuit of happiness... truthisfreedom May 2012 #6
I had no idea gratuitous May 2012 #8
$5 says that guy was wearing diapers, a butt plug, and/or a studded leather cock harness XemaSab May 2012 #9
Probably, but I really do not want to find out. 47of74 May 2012 #15
Oh, I do XemaSab May 2012 #16
The point being, that the gov't shouldn't find out if WE have plugs... Bucky May 2012 #19
Isn't it a right to have the government out of your bedroom? lunatica May 2012 #10
It is not in the realm of government to oversee what is done sexually in private between consenting The Wielding Truth May 2012 #23
In that sex is a form of expression between two folks, wouldn't it come under "freedom of speech"? marble falls May 2012 #12
Yes, it's the freedom to ASSociate. montanto May 2012 #13
It likely was discussed in the court's "Oral Argument", but not all sodomy is Anal. 24601 May 2012 #21
Welll what was that study awhile back cindyperry2010 May 2012 #14
Or not. I think that's generalization that can't be made. HERVEPA May 2012 #58
Thank you very much. swimboy May 2012 #59
Virginia Conservatives are in an unholy alliance with this woman: swimboy May 2012 #17
There is USSC precedent that is on point. "Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003) 24601 May 2012 #18
I was going to say that too SoutherDem May 2012 #20
Correct. chollybocker May 2012 #31
In GOP land, there is no "right" to anything legal if it makes some beac May 2012 #53
The same is soon to happen with gay marriage, as well. joshcryer May 2012 #61
He thinks gay guys will 'eye' him in the foxhole. What a doofus. CurtEastPoint May 2012 #22
I like how even in hatred, their ego is big enough to think they are irresistable to gay men Blue_Tires May 2012 #35
Or, perhaps, they're afraid that they AREN'T. Ken Burch May 2012 #41
Or anybody else for that matter. smirkymonkey May 2012 #69
I'm on the battlefield and have to concentrate on the enemy 600 yards away AlbertCat May 2012 #42
lol. i love how the same states and the same people pretend that the were pro-civil rights La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #24
And a lot of times they just replaced communist/black/etc... 47of74 May 2012 #25
IMO these people are also trying to wedge african americans vs gays but they La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #27
Maybe not PUBLIC sodomy slackmaster May 2012 #26
Stupidity is not a civil right, either. Faygo Kid May 2012 #28
What a gutless fucker. tabasco May 2012 #30
He can't have oral sex anymore? Fearless May 2012 #32
something I'm sure Mrs Marshall can attest to azurnoir May 2012 #33
wanna bet he sodomizes Mrs. Marshall? provis99 May 2012 #43
well I'm sure that azurnoir May 2012 #47
But it's okay as long as they aren't gay for each other cindyperry2010 May 2012 #55
Video: Laughing Mirror May 2012 #34
Actually, it is bluestateguy May 2012 #36
Time to start the pool on how long it'll be 'til this guy gets caught with a rent boy at Motel 6 Ken Burch May 2012 #38
Look, I think Marshall is a tool, but I see a repetitive pattern in your posts that is off the mark. swimboy May 2012 #52
OK. Ken Burch May 2012 #54
Sodomy is not just a male-on-male thing. Does this freak think he can legislate kestrel91316 May 2012 #39
I know. This stupid jerkoff doesn't know he's talking about oral sex RainDog May 2012 #65
a clumsy straight guy could easily commit a felony and not know it. yurbud May 2012 #68
A lot of married men (straight) HockeyMom May 2012 #44
But he LOVES girl-on-girl porn 1Greensix May 2012 #45
To them, girl-on-girl sex is not homosexual. mikeytherat May 2012 #57
It seems pretty self evident to me... Salviati May 2012 #46
So, should we ban from the bench anyone who has ever given or received a blow-job? Ian David May 2012 #48
Fascism, bigotry, and oppression are not, but that doesn't stop you, Marshall. n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #49
I know that old saw, but sex is sex... Flubadubya May 2012 #50
So judges are in the business of judging sexual acts of other judges. undeterred May 2012 #51
these people must lie awake at night thinking about that awful AWFUL gay sex.. frylock May 2012 #56
Neither is playing World of Warcraft naked. sofa king May 2012 #60
Sounds like the pursuit of happiness to me... PurityOfEssence May 2012 #62
This is why we can't listen to those voices that tell us Dems = Repukes. It's already started here. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #63
It's a constitutional right RainDog May 2012 #64
The way I do it, it should be. nt Poll_Blind May 2012 #67

Skittles

(152,967 posts)
1. see how these repukes are?
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
May 2012

he cannot see gay people beyond their sex lives, the same way he cannot see immigrants beyond their legal status.....if you're not rich, white, male and straight, and American-born, there's always some other factor that is more important than your right to be treated fairly as a human being

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. he cannot see gay people beyond their sex lives,
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:24 PM
May 2012

And we can see how boring and depleted his sex life is.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
3. The conservatives in the 60s were totally sure equality for blacks wasn't a civil right either.
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:30 PM
May 2012

same as it ever was

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
5. Let's see, who is the real activist here?
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:32 PM
May 2012

Marshall needs to stay out of people's bedrooms. Snooping into others' bedrooms is not a Constitutional right, it is a deviation of our right to privacy in our homes, the 4th Constitutional Amendment.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. I had no idea
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:36 PM
May 2012

Virginia must have some, uh, unique requirements for their judges. In Oregon, we just want them to know and apply the law.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
9. $5 says that guy was wearing diapers, a butt plug, and/or a studded leather cock harness
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:38 PM
May 2012

when he made that pronouncement.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
19. The point being, that the gov't shouldn't find out if WE have plugs...
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:06 PM
May 2012

You have a right to privacy. Sodomy is very much included among our civil rights.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. Isn't it a right to have the government out of your bedroom?
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:38 PM
May 2012

That guy is a disgusting creep. Definitely has issues.

The Wielding Truth

(11,411 posts)
23. It is not in the realm of government to oversee what is done sexually in private between consenting
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:17 PM
May 2012

adults!

cindyperry2010

(846 posts)
14. Welll what was that study awhile back
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:48 PM
May 2012

by psychology today? The most virulent homophobes are deep deep deep in the closet ?

swimboy

(7,279 posts)
59. Thank you very much.
Sat May 19, 2012, 03:24 PM
May 2012

I agree with you. People like Marshall give us plenty of other valid and verifiable reasons for criticizing, even insulting them. I am NOT comfortable with the supposition that the most active of LGBT opponents are themselves LGBT. I also think going all in with that type of response undercuts the more reasoned and fact-based responses.

If however, an opponent should happen to go all Ted Haggard on us? Pile on and don't spare the horses (to mix a metaphor)!

swimboy

(7,279 posts)
17. Virginia Conservatives are in an unholy alliance with this woman:
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:59 PM
May 2012


Victoria Cobb is the Executive Director of the Virginia Family Foundation (http://familyfoundation.org/)

Her group sends out fear-mongering bulletins that warn Virginians whenever there is a danger that someone will treat LGBT people fairly. As she puts it regarding the Thorne-Begland vote: "General Assembly Votes to Ensure Judicial Integrity"

24601

(3,940 posts)
18. There is USSC precedent that is on point. "Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003)
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:00 PM
May 2012

is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6-3 ruling, the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidated sodomy laws in thirteen other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
31. Correct.
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:50 PM
May 2012

What consenting adults do behind closed doors, including sodomy, is still protected IN LAW by Lawrence v. Texas. This guy is wrong in every respect. Who votes for these ignoramuses?

beac

(9,992 posts)
53. In GOP land, there is no "right" to anything legal if it makes some
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:15 PM
May 2012

narrow-minded bigot uncomfortable.

Here's Sideshow Bob's contact info should anyone wish to join me in mailing/faxing or calling to read a copy of Lawrence v. Texas:

Robert G. Marshall
Delegate of 13th District
P.O. Box 421
Manassas, VA 20108

703 – 361 – 5416 (office and fax)
703 – 853 – 4213 (cell) (preferred)


Since he "prefers" we call him on his cell, I say we keep that thing ringing all day and night.

CurtEastPoint

(18,552 posts)
22. He thinks gay guys will 'eye' him in the foxhole. What a doofus.
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:16 PM
May 2012

"It's a distraction when I'm on the battlefield and have to concentrate on the enemy 600 yards away and I'm worried about this guy who's got eyes on me."

Sorry, Bob.... not gonna happen. Even if you were 20 years old instead of 112.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
69. Or anybody else for that matter.
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:37 PM
May 2012

You know he probably molests innocent animals or something equally perverse.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
42. I'm on the battlefield and have to concentrate on the enemy 600 yards away
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:30 PM
May 2012

Now, why on Earth would he think the gay soldier isn't trying to do the same thing instead of checking out his fat ass? The gay soldier is in danger from YOU, Bob, if you would be so irrationally distracted in such a situation! Your homophobia is harmful to the platoon! We cannot allow homophobes to serve!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
24. lol. i love how the same states and the same people pretend that the were pro-civil rights
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
May 2012

when it happened. this may not be the same things as civil rights in the 60' but these same people were against civil rights in the 60's too.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
25. And a lot of times they just replaced communist/black/etc...
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:38 PM
May 2012

...with the word homosexual in their rants. Word for word their rants are pretty much the same ones they used to rail against civil rights or communism (which in many cases was their blanket term for treating anyone on the same level as white males).

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
27. IMO these people are also trying to wedge african americans vs gays but they
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:40 PM
May 2012

were hardly friends of african americans either.

this is why i find it so ridiculous when old white GOP men start talking about how this is not the same as civil rights. maybe, its not the same, but its not like you guys loved the civil rights movement either.


smh

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
36. Actually, it is
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:23 PM
May 2012

Lawrence v. Texas.

All this controversy has done is to make Bob McDonnell look reasonable when he surely does not deserve such a classification.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
38. Time to start the pool on how long it'll be 'til this guy gets caught with a rent boy at Motel 6
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:26 PM
May 2012

I've got ten bucks on July 4th at the latest.

swimboy

(7,279 posts)
52. Look, I think Marshall is a tool, but I see a repetitive pattern in your posts that is off the mark.
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:01 PM
May 2012

On the day he is exposed as a closeted gay man, pile on. Until then, don't make unfounded allegations that he's so twisted that he must be gay, please.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
54. OK.
Thu May 17, 2012, 10:18 PM
May 2012

It's just that that's how it's played out with so many of these types.

But I'll leave it for now.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
39. Sodomy is not just a male-on-male thing. Does this freak think he can legislate
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:27 PM
May 2012

sex acts between man and women in the same way??

Reminds me of the places in the US where you can't even buy vibrators. Effing puritans.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
65. I know. This stupid jerkoff doesn't know he's talking about oral sex
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:29 AM
May 2012

Yeah, try telling heterosexuals they can't have oral sex. LOLOLOL.

good luck getting votes with that one. Vote Republican! They hate it when you enjoy consensual sex and foreplay!

1Greensix

(111 posts)
45. But he LOVES girl-on-girl porn
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:40 PM
May 2012

Marshall is like all conservatives. He's against gay men, but loves watching girl-on-girl porn on his computer. What a dirtbag. Who cares what people do with their love lives anyway? No one by Republicans, who want government out of their lives, but wnat it into someone else's life Greedy, homophobic, racists. Shoot them all, and the world would be a lot better off. The Civil War was LOST a hundred and fifty years ago, buttheads. You LOST. Get over it. If it happened again today, you'd lose even worse.

mikeytherat

(6,829 posts)
57. To them, girl-on-girl sex is not homosexual.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:16 AM
May 2012

The mere fact that it sure is does not compute with them. I raised this very question about 20 years ago, when two very conservative friends of mine were watching girl-on-girl porn. I asked them why they were watching gay porn, and they looked at me like I was nuts. Then one said, "Are you a fag?" I haven't spoken to either one since.

mikey_the_rat

Salviati

(6,002 posts)
46. It seems pretty self evident to me...
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:48 PM
May 2012

that the right to love whomever you want is included in the "pursuit of happiness", thus is an unalienable right; the type that laws _should_ be made to protect.




(Edit to correct grammar, I hope, and to change the emphasis to respond more pointedly to the subject)

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
48. So, should we ban from the bench anyone who has ever given or received a blow-job?
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:45 PM
May 2012

At the very least, we should be asking Del. Robert G. Marshall about his own, personal, sexual history at every public opportunity. Since he thinks it's important enough to disqualify someone from a judgeship.

Flubadubya

(5,831 posts)
50. I know that old saw, but sex is sex...
Thu May 17, 2012, 09:38 PM
May 2012

Honey, if it's my sex it's "sodomy"... if it's your sex it's DIVINE!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
56. these people must lie awake at night thinking about that awful AWFUL gay sex..
Fri May 18, 2012, 12:13 AM
May 2012

just obsessing on how awful and sinful it is. it's all they ever talk about ffs.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
60. Neither is playing World of Warcraft naked.
Sat May 19, 2012, 05:38 PM
May 2012

But we don't tell Robert Marshall what he can do in his office.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
63. This is why we can't listen to those voices that tell us Dems = Repukes. It's already started here.
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:52 PM
May 2012

"there's no difference" is a load of horseshit. I, for one, don't want a repeat of 2000 when some were fooled into thinking that Gore = Bush. It wasn't true then, and Obama certainly doesn't = Mittens.

It's worth asking yourself if the person or persons who are disseminating this bs are actually working for your benefit, or if there's another "agenda" at play.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
64. It's a constitutional right
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:25 AM
May 2012
In both United States v. Stirewalt and United States v. Marcum, the court ruled that the "conduct falls within the liberty interest identified by the Supreme Court,"


(not to mention Lawrence v. Texas)

According to the Supreme Court, "liberty" interests have their source in the Constitution.It is grounded in the 14th Amendment and this liberty interest exists for heterosexuals as well.

Sodomy is oral sex too, not just anal. Pry from my cold dead fingers and all that, you Puritan killjoy. lol.


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