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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:29 PM Nov 2015

Donald Trump Says Paris Attacks Would Have Been ‘Much Different’ If People Had Guns

Source: ABC News

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said that the devastating attacks in France that killed at least 129 people would have turned out differently if people were armed.

"You can say what you want, but if they had guns -- if our people had guns, if they were allowed to carry -- it would have been a much, much different situation," he said to thunderous applause from the audience in Beaumont, Texas.

"When you look at Paris, you know, the toughest gun laws in the world, nobody had guns except for the bad guys, nobody," he said. "Nobody had guns, and they were just shooting them one by one."

Trump had a similar response to the January attack on the French satiric newspaper Charlie Hebdo, tweeting that the shooting took place in one of the toughest gun control countries.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-paris-attacks-people-guns/story?id=35207857

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Donald Trump Says Paris Attacks Would Have Been ‘Much Different’ If People Had Guns (Original Post) IDemo Nov 2015 OP
I am so sick of hearing this crap katmondoo Nov 2015 #1
boy, I am with you there... yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #46
Damn Helen Borg Nov 2015 #47
Can somebody just remove that malignant growth from his head already? Ken Burch Nov 2015 #2
gun humpers are unbelievably stupid Skittles Nov 2015 #3
Fuck you very much, Donald Trump. LuckyTheDog Nov 2015 #4
umm people did have guns. that's how they did the killing... gun owners nt msongs Nov 2015 #5
i am so fucking sick of hearing this bull shit . UGH. allan01 Nov 2015 #6
Audience Scarsdale Nov 2015 #42
So says the combat veteran who has been in dozens of fire fights. sarge43 Nov 2015 #7
Yeah, lead us into battle O Great Brave One - LiberalElite Nov 2015 #15
I think the asshole comment should come after the sarcasm tag. gvstn Nov 2015 #20
Your wish is my command sarge43 Nov 2015 #23
Much better. Thank you! gvstn Nov 2015 #36
What "our people" were there? underpants Nov 2015 #8
Nah, the terrorists would just use more bombs instead of guns. nt Quixote1818 Nov 2015 #9
Right, idiot, 300+ would have died! elleng Nov 2015 #10
More guns wouldn't help Marthe48 Nov 2015 #11
man, even the gun nuts can't play that card any more after their own simulations MisterP Nov 2015 #12
Just Repeating Another Stupid Repubic Hair Grassy Knoll Nov 2015 #13
The terrorists had AK47s at the concert... Native Nov 2015 #14
Well, hell, make those available, too! AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #58
Yeah, guns are so helpful against suicide bombers. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #16
They would have exploded themselves sooner, before some people got out. uppityperson Nov 2015 #17
I spent all day arguing on Facebook against this fuckwittery. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #18
That must be really hard to deal with that. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #22
Dear republicans, please STFU for a bit. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #19
But wait, if they had explosives, then everyone should have explosives, by that argument. Gregorian Nov 2015 #21
Clearly, for safety's sake, everyone should be required to carry nuclear weapons all the time. tclambert Nov 2015 #31
That cracked me up. I know it's not truly funny but the idea of carrying a hydrogen bomb around. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #34
Oh, you don't carry it. kentauros Nov 2015 #37
Wonderful movie. Whole cast was great... especially Peter Sellers: Heil Hitler !! BlueJazz Nov 2015 #48
And the only movie where I'll sing along to the end of the world. kentauros Nov 2015 #61
I hope people understand just humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #24
So you hear a gunshot, see a guy standing there with a gun and pull yours.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #25
Didn't help NYC on 9/11. More guns is not the answer to terrorism & bombs beat bullets Person 2713 Nov 2015 #26
Sure it would have been different. sdfernando Nov 2015 #27
Donald Trump Stands With Gunfuckery. nt onehandle Nov 2015 #28
He is a national disgrace. How embarrasing. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2015 #29
The scenario Donald Trump wants: tclambert Nov 2015 #30
When you're dealing with suicide bombers houston16revival Nov 2015 #32
"Guns are useless against suicide bombers." ustilago Nov 2015 #40
Trump a republican idiot rockfordfile Nov 2015 #33
I agree. IrishEyes Nov 2015 #49
Korea and Japan have tougher laws rpannier Nov 2015 #35
Idiot. Pervert. Disgusting pile of skin. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #38
Stupid clown. Helen Borg Nov 2015 #39
Right... davidthegnome Nov 2015 #41
The "STUPID" is really strong in this one n/t SmittynMo Nov 2015 #43
oh yeah, right Donald heaven05 Nov 2015 #44
Hey DT: Shaddup, ya fuckin' moron. DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #45
Sickening. tabasco Nov 2015 #50
Am I mistaken - I thought they were wearing suicide bomb vests packman Nov 2015 #51
gun humpers and logic do not mix Skittles Nov 2015 #63
Donald Trump needs to strap on his six shooter and head for Paris - Right Now! NonMetro Nov 2015 #52
And George AWOL Bush to "keep 'em safe!" n/t tabasco Nov 2015 #53
One way tickets for both? NonMetro Nov 2015 #54
Does he mean more deaths at theater chelsea0011 Nov 2015 #55
Anyone that says this is a fool Moral Compass Nov 2015 #56
man, they laid into *Malala Yousafzai*: they're just pandering for votes MisterP Nov 2015 #60
How would guns have defended against suicide bombers? AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #57
Only thing different would have been dead people on the ground with guns in holsters n/t Kennah Nov 2015 #59
In a crowded cahotic melee, an armed audience would have been shooting each other. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #62
We have 3X as many guns per capita and about 4X the murder rate BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #64
yes, because a small handgun restorefreedom Nov 2015 #65
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
2. Can somebody just remove that malignant growth from his head already?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:31 PM
Nov 2015

And let's do something about his hair, too.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
6. i am so fucking sick of hearing this bull shit . UGH.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:34 PM
Nov 2015

please tell me how this rational or the lack of it would work . you cant can you ?

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
42. Audience
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:17 AM
Nov 2015

How many people in THAT audience had their guns with them? Want to bet they were told not to bring them into the venue? The Donald is bankrupt in many ways, other than financially on a regular basis. Bankrupt of any normal feelings.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
20. I think the asshole comment should come after the sarcasm tag.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:04 PM
Nov 2015

Relating that he is an asshole is not really sarcasm.

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
11. More guns wouldn't help
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:44 PM
Nov 2015

even if the normal sane people who were there for the concert had guns, they were there for the concert. Not alert, not watching for crazy murderers with guns. That's why more guns are no solution. Normal people are trying to live normal lives. Even if a normal person had a gun <oxymoron>, he/she would be focused on doing a normal thing, not on guard. We can't live our lives on guard every second of every freaking day. Although that might be why we are all so screwed up all the time.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
13. Just Repeating Another Stupid Repubic Hair
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:51 PM
Nov 2015

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Native

(5,935 posts)
14. The terrorists had AK47s at the concert...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:53 PM
Nov 2015

that's not exactly something you'd carry with you to a concert in your purse.

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
18. I spent all day arguing on Facebook against this fuckwittery.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:00 PM
Nov 2015

As if international terrorism has anything to do with civil laws on gun ownership...

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
22. That must be really hard to deal with that.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:07 PM
Nov 2015

I used to do that with my family on facebook, but I realized it never really did any good. Even if I got them to admit they may not be logical, a few days later they'd be back to the same BS. Either that or they'll say I'm constantly trying to start fights them because of their opinion. Which is really odd to me. Why post a political statement if you don't want to discuss it? Anyway, good luck with your continuing efforts.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
21. But wait, if they had explosives, then everyone should have explosives, by that argument.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

What a safe world that would be. Everyone would be so fucking scared they'd look like they were smiling all the time.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
31. Clearly, for safety's sake, everyone should be required to carry nuclear weapons all the time.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:47 PM
Nov 2015

What a peaceful world that would make, what with death being so peaceful and all.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
34. That cracked me up. I know it's not truly funny but the idea of carrying a hydrogen bomb around.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:08 AM
Nov 2015

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
61. And the only movie where I'll sing along to the end of the world.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 05:56 PM
Nov 2015

"We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when..."

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. So you hear a gunshot, see a guy standing there with a gun and pull yours....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:20 PM
Nov 2015

Turns out that was a "good guy with a gun" responding to the sound just like you,...along with ten other "good guys with guns".

(Perfect place to pop a paper bag.)

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
26. Didn't help NYC on 9/11. More guns is not the answer to terrorism & bombs beat bullets
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:43 PM
Nov 2015

Should everyone walk around with hand grenades too?

sdfernando

(4,897 posts)
27. Sure it would have been different.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:46 PM
Nov 2015

...a lot more people would have been killed...How stupid can this guy be??? I'm sick of this fucking asshole...please just go away!

houston16revival

(953 posts)
32. When you're dealing with suicide bombers
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:25 PM
Nov 2015

any advantage will be momentary

Citizens with guns would be out-gunned with the
assault rifles, and the terrorists don't have any barriers
as to how many accomplices they need to carry out their mission

Guns are useless against suicide bombers

Trump's thinking is being seriously flummoxed by the static in his hair

ustilago

(30 posts)
40. "Guns are useless against suicide bombers."
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:10 AM
Nov 2015

But wait...

What if EVERYBODY walked around with high explosives strapped to their bodies? Imagine how safe the world would be THEN!!! /s

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
41. Right...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:02 AM
Nov 2015

What good did guns do us on 9/11? There are instances where it's possible someone with a gun might make a difference, if they know how to use one, if they know who to shoot at, if things don't get so out of control that it becomes a random bloodbath. If we aren't dealing with bombs strapped to peoples bodies - people who are all too ready and all too eager to die for their cause.

It might have been different, it might not have been. Our citizens being well armed hasn't really done much to reduce the murder rate in our own Country, not with millions of unregistered weapons, school shootings - and so very many murders over the years. From muggings gone wrong, to drive-by shootings, to trigger-happy cops.

Let's be honest now, if Mr. Trump had been there, armed or not, he would have found the best hiding spot he could, wet his pants, and cried.

What we need isn't more guns. What we need is more common sense, more generosity, more good will among humanity. What the world really needs now is more love, not more bullets.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
44. oh yeah, right Donald
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:53 AM
Nov 2015

and the sad thing to think, for me, is many agree with this clown from the "short bus".

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
51. Am I mistaken - I thought they were wearing suicide bomb vests
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:53 AM
Nov 2015

Is that asshat going to suggest that everyone should be armed with suicide bomb vests? And the audience clapped, Jesus on a pogo stick please save America.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
52. Donald Trump needs to strap on his six shooter and head for Paris - Right Now!
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

I'll chip in for his plane ticket. You?

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
55. Does he mean more deaths at theater
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:33 PM
Nov 2015

Because once evreyone starts pulling out weapons and firing no one will know who is who, especially the police when they arrive.

Moral Compass

(1,498 posts)
56. Anyone that says this is a fool
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:08 PM
Nov 2015

Trump proves yet again that he is an idiot. This is just the latest in a long series of spouting idiocies. Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya! Build a wall between the U.S and Mexico! Deport the 11 million illegal aliens with a deportation force!
And now this. The death toll in Paris would have been much lower if all of the French were armed.
Let’s look at some recent history.

After the Charlie Hebdo massacre a gun rights organization staged a simulation of the attack to prove their contention that the attack could have been foiled if the writers and editors of Charlie Hebdo had been armed. The January 15th edition of Texas Monthly published a story (by Dan Hoffman) entitled: A Gun Rights Organization Staged a Re-Enactment of the “Charlie Hebdo” Shooting (link: http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/a-gun-rights-organization-staged-a-re-enactment-of-the-charlie-hebdo-shooting/)

The organization is called The Truth About Guns. The article points out that the simulation was done a dozen times and a key variable was missing—the element of surprise. The participants were not only armed by knew the attack was coming.

The simulation proved one thing and one thing only.

That being armed had little impact on the ultimate outcome. In the absolute best result one attacker (out of two) was killed, but all of the “writers” and “editors” except one died (and that one ran).

This was a simulation put on by an organization that wanted to prove that being armed when attacked by armed attackers would prevent a massacre. They eliminated the element of surprise. Yet they still couldn’t prove the point they set out to prove.

Wrap your head around that one. It was a rigged test created by a group that had a dog in the hunt and they couldn’t make it work.

Trump and everyone that advances this argument every time there is a massacre is simply wrong. There is no objective evidence that turning the world into an armed camp will result in anything than more violence. More weapons mean only one thing--more gun deaths from accident, confrontations that escalate, deliberate shootings, and, yes, criminal acts.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
57. How would guns have defended against suicide bombers?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

How well would guns have defended the restaurant?

Jesus Christ. Guns are not the fucking answer to every-fucking-thing.

But it plays to the insane base, and Donald knows it.

Martin Eden

(12,803 posts)
62. In a crowded cahotic melee, an armed audience would have been shooting each other.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:43 PM
Nov 2015

Those who applauded Trump are idiots.

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